@ Riverton Coug"If" BYU didn't lose games, they'd go to
In addition to working on ball security, the "fans" are working on
their insecurities of cheering for a program that is fading into irrelevance.
Riverton Coug,We do know who the best team is by your comments. BYU
gave up. The UTE players did not. That is how you judge the character and
strength of a team. It stems from the coach, and the UTES seem to have the
better one. Even though the UTES got man handled by TCU last year, they were
still trying to play D, and also trying to move the ball to score points. If
they played again at the end of the year, the UTES would probably win again,
because the Y players would be trying to hold onto the ball like the band of
brothers would. This will only make them fumble the ball more. Get real Riverton
Coug, stop with all the IFS, and just enjoy the fact that your team got beat
down by their rival. Nothing else needs to be said. No ifs, ands, or buts about
it. the UTES won, the Y lost, that's it.
RE:"(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that
we're holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms,"You have got
to be kidding! This is not Little League or Sunday School. Its Football! Stop
the dumb yearly themes and start acting and playing like a College team.You embarrass me and Im a Ute fan.Utah forced the turn
overs, accept that, fix it, and come out a better team.Also, you're
ambassadors of the Church, start acting like it.
How about working on a QB with some more to offer then throwing the long bomb
for the glory shot. Here is an idea how about courage, guts and a team concept
for a QB 1.Heaps can not move and when he does he looks like a
complete wheeble whaable, remember those goofy toys.
I think all these excuses make the game that much more enjoyable! Bronco says
they didn't quit, fan base says they did. Bronco says they were outplayed,
outcoached, outmatched. Fan base says Y gave the game to the utes. The only
thing the turnovers demonstrate is that Utah players were smarter, stronger,
than the player with theball. Why don't you y fans learn about true class from
the Alabama fans. When your beat as completely as that result just take it. The
better team won, period. You were beat so badly we took your team's morale. In
their stadium. No excuses
Sorry Riverton Cougar, but I have to take issue with one of your comments. You
said: "Unfortunately now we'll never know how the teams truly compare
because the BYU team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the
game[.]"That's ridiculous. We know exactly how the teams truly
compare. That's why the game is played--to see how the teams truly compare. It's
only before the game--when all of us are puffing and speculating--that we cannot
know how the teams truly compare.And, in fact, at this point, even
you know how the teams truly compare because the game revealed to you that (as
you said) "the BYU team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the
game." In other words, by your estimation, the BYU team was willing to
quit, whereas the Utes (by comparison) had the grit to play a full game. That is
how the teams truly compared.Utah was the superior (and
non-quitting) team. We know this. It is not an unchangeable fact, but it is the
fact right now. Good luck next year--a sentiment I'm always willing to
extend--but . . .Go UTES!
The team needs to find a way to score more than 10 points a game. The QB coach
and the OC need to get it together. This should not be a training ground for an
ineffective QB coach/OC that could never get Max Hall to think on his feet and
the same for Heaps.
Duckhunter Hunter, you bring up history back to 1896 and chide
someone for mentioning a Doak Walker winner (and Ute beater) from 2001? That's
Roscoe should've gone into comedy.
defibulator-54-10! The all time head-to-head lead keeps increasing.
I have never used "ifs" to describe the state of my team.
The Yners got pasted and cannot admit that they were beat handily. When you
join reality, give me a call and we can talk.It was so funny to
watch the "fans" run for the parking lot after the 3rd quarter on
Saturday night.I cannot believe you brought Glass Staley into the
defibman | 12:30 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011 Syracuse, UT Whether you
post as defibman, bigsoccer or utehaterforlife, the schtick never changes. Your team lost 54-10 and they QUIT, or as Steve Young told ESPN
"they capitulated", which just so you know means " to surrender
unconditionally or to give up resistance."You might want to
spend your time posting dealing with that issue.
"(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that we're
holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms," DiLuigi said.Seriously? Really? How far does Bronco go out of his way to mix football and
religion anyway? No wonder BYU players actually think they're missionaries.News flash: Focus on football and you'll probably be a better football
@Riverton CougarI just have to quote you because I can't believe how
much rationalizing went into your reasoning: "I don't have a
problem with what Utah's team did, but to say that because of last Saturday Utah
is CLEARLY the best team is not accurate."Its is not just
accurate, it is truth. The BEST teams don't quit. EVER. If BYU quit, or more
likely were simply outclassed and overpowered, then either way, they are the
worst team of the two. Scoreboard, my friend. And again with the
rationalizing: "If Utah and BYU were to play again at the end of
the season, I say BYU wins this time around."And IF that were
to happen, I'd congratulate BYU on hiring the New England Patriots to play in
their place. Now that's a personnel move to be proud of.
Good to hear that we are working on ball security. Wish we had done that in
August and in the spring drills. I know we were not working on how to snap the
ball or how to throw down field, but I am not sure what we did? Of course,
since football is their number 5 responsibility, it could have been a lot of
@ Duckhunter Hunter Well IF it hadn't been for USC, the u would be
playing for the National Championship in a couple of months. And if it hadn't
been for the "no respect from the national media", they would have be
crowned National Champs two times in the past few years.Oh well,
what could have been for the mighty utes. Still looking for respect from the
National Media and still looking for their 1st Heisman winner, Outland trophy
winner, Doak Walker award winner, etc, etc, etc, etc....well you get the point.
(well, maybe not)
Utah would win 7 or 8 times out 10. There is more talent at Utah. BYU is closer
to the talent at Utah State. Coaches talking about how talented they are doesn't
work. Every coach thinks tey have talent at the beginning of the year. I beleve
talent incompasses all areas physical, mental and emotional. BYU might have as
good physical talent as Utah, but pale in comparison in mental and emotional
talent. When someone talks about the ability to become a great football team,
they are admitting that they aren't right now. It has been years since BYU beat
a great team. Oklahoma is the best win in about 20 years and they lost 5 games
@Riverton CougarGood teams take advantage of opportunities, good
teams know their opponents weaknesses, good teams don't turn the football over
in the red zone, good teams play a full four quarters every game, good teams
make adjustments at halftime. Make "ifs"(excuses) all you want, the
better team made less mistakes, took advantage of their opponents mistakes, and
found a way to win.
If you Utah fans honestly think that BYU was playing at their best, then you are
FOOLS. I don't have a problem with what Utah's team did, but to say that
because of last Saturday Utah is CLEARLY the best team is not accurate.
Unfortunately now we'll never know how the teams truly compare because the BYU
team gave up at the half and put about 5% effort in the game (notice that even
after all the turnovers, the score was very close in the first half).If Utah and BYU were to play again at the end of the season, I say BYU wins
this time around.Don't call us out on the "ifs". They
aren't that bad. After all, "if" the BCS didn't exist, Utah could
have been national champions in 2008; "if" Bradford wasn't injured,
BYU would have lost to Oklahoma, etc. They provide people with the opportunity
to assess how things should be ideally, because things don't always go the way
they should. Too bad BYU played the way they did. My "ifs" aren't
I have talked to so many BYU friends of mine and they all say the same thing,
Utah didnt demolish BYU. BYU was right there with them for 2 quarters. Now I
read Bronco saying the same thing:"I don't think it was large at all,
actually. In fact, I thought it was about dead-even, to be honest with
you," the Cougars' coach said. "The game through, I would say, 2 1/2
quarters, was indicative of the talent and the parity of (that talent). I
dont know when a football game was 2 quarters but hand it to Y fans to always
find some way to win when they get a beat down.
TJ and Riverton CougarIt's funny to see so many "ifs" by
BYU fans. Do you realize that even in a 54-10 blowout that Ute fans could still
say the same thing? What IF they call the helmet to helmet on Uale? Does Utah
get a Touchdown on that drive? What IF Utah's kicker doesn't miss a field goal
and an extra point? What IF Utah keeps trying on offense in the 4th quarter? Do
they score 70 or 80 points?There are too many ifs on both sides for
someone to honestly assume that for this reason or that my team would've won in
a game they lost 54-10.Not trying to be a jerk, just sayin.
estreetshuffle, last year "the block" was the result of a Ute watching
film and seeing weakness on the right side of BYU's kick protection. Attention
to detail beats the band.
No way to put a good spin on this for BYU. BYU stunk in this game. Without
turnovers the game would have been much different. I think BYU would have been
up by 14-21 points at half but they did commit the turnovers. It got into BYU's
heads and they couldn't shake it. That is what happens to young teams sometimes.
Young teams are also more likely to bounce back faster.Let's hope BYU is
able to play a solid game and they can correct their offensive woes this
Friday.it would be really bad if they rolled over like Utah did last year
against Notre Dame a week after the Epic beat down at the hands of TCU on their
In other news, a farmer who lost all his cows just shut the door to his barn.
I think the Ute coaching staff saw an opportunity of how the ball was handled.
I saw on TV how the ball was carelessly handled at both the Miss. and Texas
games; an opportunity to knock the ballout of the runners hands.
Riverton Kewg - "If it weren't for those turnovers, the game
would have been a lopsided victory for BYU""If" is
the BYU fan's favorite word. "If" there weren't so many turnovers,
"if" our team would have played to potnetial, "if" the refs
wouldn't have made that call....The fact remains that THERE WERE
those turnovers. Many, many turnovers.54-10!
Doman needs to get up in the press box and do his job. Norm Chow, arguably the
finest OC in college football, chooses to sit up in the box. How in the world
do Doman and Bronco think they know and can do it better than Norm?If I were Bronco, if I learned that Norm drank lime juice during games, I'd
have Doman drinking lime juice.Doing it your own special way and
thinking somehow you know better smacks of a troubling arrogance.
There is a kind of humility that lets you take nothing for granted, that keeps
you alert, focused, and striving to do your best, and better, each play, that
brings a gratitude for opportunity and desire to represent well those who are
supporting and cheering you on. Its losing concern for self and giving yourself
up for the team effort. When proper technique is not being used to secure the
ball, that has to be an indicator to the attitude of the players. BYU
footballers can't just expect that by showing up, they will win, they have to
Defense should NEVER quit. It's about who you are and having pride and heart.
Regardless of how poorly your offense plays, the D has to stand up. With the
U's offensive line in question, you would have thought that Bronco would have
brought more pressure on Wynn. USC showed that he doesn't do well with pressure
and yet he had all night to wait for his receivers to get open. Apparently
Bronco did not watch the game film of the USC game or he wasn't able to see the
obvious from it.
@MajmajorThat's what happens when each of the first three drives end
in fumbles, especially since two of them were in the Utes red zone. I'll be the
first to admit, except for the turnovers, the BYU offense was walking down the
field in the first half. Problem is, like you said, to keep watching red zone
turnovers and to continuously have to go out and grind with the Ute offense is
mentally hard on the BYU D. So I don't think that much blame should go to the Y
defense at all, as they only let in one td in the first half, or even the O-line
that much. Mainly, it should go onto Heaps, who overthrew wide open receivers at
points and essentially choked, and the skills players, who fumbled far too many
times in general, let alone in the red zone.
With the exception of the bad snap, no one can blame the BYU lines for the
team's failure at the Utah game. The skill players couldn't hold onto the ball,
and Heaps lack of heart.Three unforced fumbles and four forced
fumbles has nothing to do with the ability of the lines to do their jobs.
Admittedly, in the fourth quarter, BYU's defense quit, but that was probably due
to loss of faith in the offence, and mental and physical exhaustion.
If it weren't for those turnovers, the game would have been a lopsided victory
for BYU. Jake Heaps is just like Max Hall at this point; he's got talent and is
a really good QB, but when things start going wrong and he feels too pressured,
he does more harm than good to the team.Make Nelson a starter?
Hmmmm, probably not. Lark? Maybe. Keep Heaps as starter? As long as he
performs. Keep him on a short leash, then put Lark in if Heaps doesn't improve.
Don't give Heaps tenure-- he may be good, but he hasn't earned it yet.
After hearing about how bad that Utah O line was, I think they gave Wynn pretty
good protection, at least alot better than the heralded BYU O-line gave Heaps.
"(The coaches) tell us every time we have the ball in our hands that we're
holding the Band of Brotherhood in our arms," DiLuigi said.Wow.
How many different ways can you milk that "Band of Brothers" cow?
That's just plain ridiculous.Byu, how about trying "Hold on to
the darn football because it's so darn obvious that's what you're supposed to