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Published: Monday, Sept. 19 2011 9:51 p.m. MDT

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three11stu
Saratoga Springs, UT

Not being bitter, as I am a fan of both the U and the Y, but where was this outrage when Utah left the Mountain West for the Pac 12? I believe that was the start of all the shakeup, not what is taking place now.

SoCalUtahFan
Utesville, CA

When BYU announced its independent, it was "me, me, me, me" as well.

And now, it looks like BYU may be standing on the sideline watching all of these super-conferences being formed.

Utah, on the other hand, will wait to see what the new Pac-xx looks like.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

You're right Dick. Utah would be much better off in the PAC 12, rather than in a PAC 16 not-so-super-conference. Unfortunately, Utah doesn't look like they have the guts to stick up for what's in their own best interest.

Daventry1701
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Super conferences are great for college football!!!! Youll have 4 conference champions taken from championship games. If the BCS goes to a and one format (which theyll have no choice) what you'll have is essentially an 8 team playoff in college football....Amongst those BCS conferences. This pushes it in the right direction. Yes...it sends BYU to football oblivion but thats just an added bonus.

Calfan
WALNUT CREEK, CA

Hypocrite. Has this guy forgotten that Utah is in the PAC precisely because of conference expansion? Typical of the new guys, they get in and immediately want to shut the door to others.

WhatsInItForMe
Orem, Utah

Bad idea or not, the move by the ACC picking up their 13th and 14th schools, and maybe two more, along with A&M wanting to go to the SEC with their blessing, BCS superconferences will happen.

Whether it ends up as four 16-team BCS conferences, or five mix-sized BCS conferences (with the Big East and Big XII combining) remains to be seen.

BYU's best hope for inclusion in a BCS conference is if it ends up with five mix-sized, such as some at 16, some at 14, and some at 12.

If it evolves into four 16-team superconferences, BYU will have to make independence work.

Keep in mind that the only reason Notre Dame has remained independent in football is that they've had the Big East to park their other sports in. Could be a issue for them if the Big East disappears.

Cougars - Wise Older Brothers
Anaheim, CA

Daventry1701

"Yes...it sends BYU to football oblivion but thats just an added bonus."

Despite the lucky win Saturday, it's hillarious to see the kids on the hill are still running scared of their big brother, hoping that he'll just go away.

sheriffcreg
SANDY, UT

Good conclusion - I agree that super-conferences are not a good thing - Except Dick Harmon wrote it. Any semblance of objectivity goes out the window when Utah and BYU are discussed.

Daventry1701
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Cougars - Wise Older Brothers

You aint seen nothing yet. Youll be screaming about "running scared" when we wont schedule byu anymore. Losing to BYU will be embarrasing and beating them means nothing. No reason to play. Welcome to the new order.

regis
Murray, UT

I think Harmon ought to remember some of the stuff BYU was trying to pull at the time it made the decision to go independent. BYU's sports administration was engaged in a lot of behind-the-scenes maneuvering to get teams from the MWC to jump ship and go to the WAC. Had these efforts been successful, the MWC would likely have imploded the way people are saying the Big 12 will probably implode if Texas and Oklahoma leave. And had that happened, does Harmon suppose anyone at BYU would have shed crocodile tears for schools left in the dust such as Air Force, CSU, or others?

And then of course we should all remember Utah and BYU packing their bags in the middle of the night to ditch the WAC when they and the founding MWC schools got that enterprise going.

Simply put, neither Utah nor BYU - and particularly not BYU - has any business critiquing other schools who "hypocritically" abandon oaths of allegiance to conferences or sister institutions "at the drop of a coin."

regis
Murray, UT

I agree with Harmon that this "superconference" idea that seems all the rage right now could in fact turn out to be a big mistake after people get a chance to see how it actually works. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the PAC 16, if it comes to pass, may not be all everybody thought or hoped it would be, and in 10 or 15 years, maybe less, schools are looking to get out of the deal in just the way Utah and BYU decided they wanted out of the "superconference" WAC. And if that happens, Utah might just find itself once again on the outside looking in.

As a Ute fan, that worries me. Things are moving a little too fast and furious right now, and I'm not sure people really know what they're getting into.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim. "Everybody knows why we are doing this football and money.

"It's interesting because 30 years ago schools made X amount of money. Twenty years ago, they made 2X. Ten years ago, they made 6X. And you know what? They're going end up breaking even, just like they did 30 years ago. At the end of the day, there's a school with a billion-dollar budget and they're talking about making an extra $4 million. What does that really mean when your school's budget is a billion dollars?

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While schools make 2x, 6x, 15x, 20x, according to a study cited on PBS the average college scholarship falls $3,000 short of covering BASIC academic and living expenses. Meantime, the Athletic departments build fancy digs for donors, arena-temples to the football and basketball gods, and pay coaches $5 million per year while many "student athletes" graduate with degrees in basket weaving.

How very, very Roman of us...

OTSS
Tooele, UT

Dick u are not Fooling anybody the only reason u don't want it to happen is because you are scared to death that your beloved cougars will b left out in the cold. Poor attempt to try and bring up other lame excuses.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I don't see Texas A&M as the villain here. Everything I've seen would indicate that Texas likes to throw its weight around and now the conference they manhandled is crumbling around them. It looks like they are going to have to give in on some things or try to make it as an independent. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Classless Ute Fan
Magna, UT

Cougars - Wise Older Brother

***Despite the lucky win Saturday, it's hilarious to see the kids on the hill are still running scared of their big brother, hoping that he'll just go away.***

Let's evaluate your statement. First, a 44 point win is not normally considered lucky. Second, 7 wins in the last 10 years (3 of which were huge blowout wins), again, not luck. Last, the 3 wins that BYU has in that time was on last second plays or OT, which by my definition is lucky. So, it looks like BYU was the lucky team to beat Utah at all in the last 10 years.

Utah was founded in 1850, BYU was a private high school bought in 1875. So Utah would be the wise older brother. Number of students, I think that BYU has a slight edge. So, you need to change your name to maybe bigger but definitely not wise older brother.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

1. This will happen because of the money involved

2. There are 64 slots in 4 superconferences of 16 each. That means 2 current BCS teams are on the outs.

3. Because of #2 that is why you see Syracuse and Pitt jumping from the Big East.

4. The two Texas school and OK schools are actively negotiating with the Pac 12

5. The Big East is in talks to merge with the Big 12

6. The SEC and Big 10 are already contacting teams from the Big 12 and A&M is jumping to SEC.

Is it a good idea? Maybe not but you can pinpoint the BCS and this current merger climate on one thing, the mythical BYU season where they beat no one and claim to have some national title.

This is the payback BYU, no one likes you.

As for "Utah's Lucky Win", I will take the U blowing out BYU any way I can get. You are the one living with the heartache of the loss and your efforts to conceal it are sad.

Arynen
Midvale, UT

Super Conferences, and the BCS, are terrible for college football. They cater to the privileged, not the talented and deserving. Utah should know this more than anybody when they were kept out of NC game in 2008 simply because they weren't a "privileged" team. Boise St. is a college football powerhouse and they get kept out of the NC game because they are labeled "Non-AQ." What about the Big East? Their so-called champion went to a BCS bowl simply because of a label when 30 other teams were more deserving based off of performance. It's all a big joke people. Let go of the pride and open your eyes! The idea that anyone is more deserving simply because they belong to one of these conferences is absurd (Did I mention the Big East???). To say that only 64 schools are deserving of ever competing for a title is ridiculous. Who's to say that USU could never compete for a title? We all saw what they did to Auburn. Alabama could become New Mexico. San Jose St. could rise to power. The story of college football disappears and greatness ends with super conferences and becomes a joke.

Honor Code
Denver, Colorado

BYU went "Independent" Dick, so why all the commotion about the Super Conference?

Hypocrisy getting the best of you?

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Dick - congrats on writing an article on expansion without mentioning BYU. Things must be pretty bad there.

Ute fans - showing once again your lack of class, continuing to pile it on BYU even after the lopsided win. One more reason many of us could never live in your weird little state - all these Mormons hating their own church school and anything to do with it.

Signing off for the season...

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Classless Ute Fan

Call us when you've actually accomplished something on a national scale, like become a perennial Top 25 team, or won a national individual award (of any kind), or had a single player inducted into the national college football hall of fame, or won a Heisman Trophy, or, the creme-de-la-creme, won a concensus national championship.

Over 50 teams have played in BCS games since 1998.

Only 13 teams have won a concensus national championships since 1984.

You do the math and tell me which is more prestigious.

AP Top 25 Last 5 Years
BYU 4
Utah 2

AP Top 25 Lifetime
BYU 17
Utah 5

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