IF the PAC 16 becomes a reality Monday, BYU football as we know it is over. As
an independent, scheduling will become nearly impossible. Like this year, after
the first loss, there is nothing left to play for. Recruiting will begin to fall
off and you will start to see transfers. Boy, will the MWC look good then. If
you are a BYU fan, you better hope Oklahoma and Texas don't go to the pac12.
sad but true
Meanwhile, TCU is waiting to see what will happen to Big East.BYU's
"independent" looks more like a bad idea every day.Independence will eventually have only Navy, Army and BYU.With new
schools joining Pac-12, Utah may not be able to grant BYU a game.
SoCal,Notre Dame isn't joining the Big Ten. TCU may jump to the Big
12. The other conferences will then poach portions of the Big East.
The Big 12 will stay together with or without OK and TX. If OK and
TX stay, the conference will pick up BYU and be settled at 10. Which will
likely keep their billion dollar TV contract.If OK and TX leave, the
Big 12 is still guaranteed to be an AQ conference for at least two more years.
With the Big East now in turmoil, the Big 12 has a good chance of picking up
TCU. BYU, TCU, Boise State, Air Force and Colorado State would join the Big 12.
With those additions, it likely stays an AQ conference.If Kansas
and Kansas State leave, Houston and Southern Miss (or Tulsa or UCF) would jump
at an invitation to the Big 12. Still probably enough strength to maintain AQ
status. BYU didn't go independent because they didn't want to be in
a conference. They left because they wanted additional exposure, and out of the
awful contract with The Mountain. In the Big 12, they can get their desired
exposure and maintain their contract with ESPN and keep showing games on
BYUTV.The Big East is now in more turmoil than the Big 12.
CougFaninTX,You pose some interesting scenarios for the Big 12. I
hope the Big 12 survives and I hope TX and OK stay there. I like the Pac 12 the
way it is, because of the was the current divisions are set up. Any additions
are going to force realignment that I don't think will be favorable for Utah's
Southern California recruiting. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be in the Pac
12. I don't like all this realignment for several reasons. I think it is
destroying traditional rivalries. It is forcing unnatural alliances between
schools too far apart geographically which is just going to make more money
necessary to play each other. I think it concentrates to much power in too few
hands. That's what has been the BCS problem all along and this makes that
situation worse. I hope the University Presidents step in and stop the madness.
You have to think TCU will do all they can to get into the Big 12 at this point.
Despite the existing members not wanting to compete with then for Texas
recruits, they are going to have to suck it up and invite TCU if OK and OK State
leave.If Texas leaves, all bets are off. But my guess is that with
huge revenues still guaranteed for a few years, the leftover Big 12 teams will
poach the best of the remaining MWC, plus TCU and maybe BYU (yikes - talk about
bad timing for a rivalry meltdown, just when you want to put on your best face).
The final look of the conferences is likely to be different than anyone's
proposed so far. Recent changes (Pitt, Syracuse to ACC) were a surprise for most
people. So, I expect further changes to also be surprising.I think
BYU is in trouble, unless some form of the Big XII with enough "bite"
continues to exist. I say this because Notre Dame, without the Big East for its
other sports, might be forced into the Big Ten. Then, independence isn't so
viable for BYU.
Here's hoping BYU gets in one of the soon to be "super conferences".
The last half of their schedule this year is awful.
Mormon Ute - good points. The loser in all of this conference realignment is
the fans. Right now, Oklahoma fans can get in their car and drive
to Dallas or Lubbick or Kansas. In the PAC XX, Oklahoma fans can't really drive
to California, Washington or Oregon. If they want to see an away game, they'll
either have to pay a lot more money to buy a plane ticket or settle for watching
the game on the tube.The same goes for the BYU - Utah game.
Regardless of what a few haters say, this is a great rivalry game that should
continue. In an expanded PAC XX, the conference may make it difficult to keep
the rivalry game going. Again, the fans lose.
Interesting times. If the era of the superconference comes about, BYU could be
in trouble on the outside looking in. Independence might still work but you
would have to think it would be tough.Utes are in but does any Ute
fan really want to be in a division with Oklahoma, Ok St. Texas, Texas Tech?
How often do the Utes make it out of that division on top and would recruiting
suffer?I love to "hate" the Utes but in the end, a strong
Utah is good for BYU and good for the rivalry.
The chickens have come home to roost.My way or the highway, money
grubbing, kiss my feet (cleaned up for DN), Texas is beginning to reap a
whirlwind they have so carefully sowed.Texas has rubbed their
financial advantage into the "nose" of every conference member for
years.Nebraska and Colorado were able to "escape". Texas
A&M is all but gone. Missouri would love to trade places with Nebraska,
Colorado or A&M.The PAC 12 should be very careful (read: do
massive due diligence) before they again offer to jump into bed with the
Longhorns.The PAC 12 has negotiated a tremendous packaged to be
SHARED by all members.The Texas business plan has not, does not, and
will never include a provision to develop, establish or promote a level playing
field.If being in a conference with Texas is such a great deal, why
is everyone heading for the exits?
Hindsight is 20/20 but it's beginning to get more and more clear that BYU &
TCU made bad decisions. If the Big East & Big 12 implode - AND - the BCS
sticks around for a few more years a MWC with BSU, TCU, BYU, AFA, Nevada, Fresno
St., UNLV, SDSU, NM, Wyo, CSU and Hawaii (in no particular order there after the
first four) would have been BSC material and probably been able to lure a couple
of the Big 12 teams(KU, KSU, or ISU) to make it a 14 team conference. That
lineup could have renegotiated a better TV deal too.Then again MWC
leadership has proven inept on that front haven't they?
Everyone is proactively discussing their options with every conference
available. Let's hope that includes Holmoe. We can't be waiting on the
sidelines without ending up like poor Ricks College.
Funny that the ACC was the first to make the leap to 14. Not surprising, though,
as the ACC's done that to the Big East before.The ACC beat the SEC
to the punch, possibly making it tougher for the SEC to get to 16.Bet more surprises are in store with realignment.If the OKs and
TXs go to the Pac-12 (to make 16), any combination of the leftovers from the Big
East and Big XII MIGHT maintain a BCS standing. Maybe.That'd be
BYU's only chance of joining a BCS conference, IF they got invited to that
marriage.Sounds like the Big Ten is NOT staying pat if the other
conferences don't. But, who'd they want? Teams that they're too late to grab?
Could be. Their AAU snobbery might come back to bite them.Dominoes,
dominoes, dominoes. Falling fast!
Talk about a whirlwind nightmare for college football. This sport will soon have
the flavor of professional sports. Soon they will break away from the NCAA and
form their own league. I almost feel like this is going to be a junior league to
the NFL where they will start paying players. I mean, look how much money is
generated for the BCS conferences. Look at the type of stadiums that have been
and are being built, they draw more fans to their games then the NFL. Look at
some of the outrageous TV contracts that have been given. Just a matter of time.
"The ACC beat the SEC to the punch, possibly making it tougher for the SEC
to get to 16."WhatsInItForMeSome reports have the SEC
pilfering WVA. With Texas A&M, and possibly Mizzou, that would leave one
more----look for them to go after ACC's own Clemson.I'd be fine with
just Oklahoma and Oklahoma State coming into the Pac-12. Texas and Texas Tech I
could do without. Maybe the Big Ten is better for their needs.
@ MiP,The reason I said it might make it tougher is that if the ACC
goes to 16, it might dissuade other ACC teams from going to the SEC because the
ACC would have gotten much better as a league.I don't know the
thinking of some of the ACC schools that the SEC might be interested in, so am
posulating here.The WVa thing might have some truth to it,
though.As for Texas, I don't think anyone wants them and their TLN.
It might take seeing that their TLN isn't getting picked up outside of Texas
much to get them to downplay its role for them, thus being able to get into the
WhatsInItForMe, Latest rumors have ACC pursuing Notre Dame. Good
luck there. Also the ACC has enacted a huge financial penalty for leaving.What I think would be funny is if everyone stayed put. Big East would be
left with seven teams and would have to bring in a Memphis (rated last in the
FBS) or Houston or some other team from really far away. Or maybe to re-recruit
Temple after outsting them. Ha. I would chuckle to see the Big East go away....