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Published: Thursday, Sept. 15 2011 10:49 a.m. MDT

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elisabeth
American Fork, UT

Reminds me of the FAIR program that is designed to counter anything said against the LDS faith or followers.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

Interesting, off-topic approach, Pagen. However, one would expect that a person who implies that they are concerned about "the facts" would do more than just post headlines and soundbites...

...especially when that person appears to have a difficult time distinguishing between Americans, conservatives, and Fox News viewers when grouping polls.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Pagen. However, one would expect that a person who implies that they are concerned about "the facts" would do more than just post headlines and soundbites...' - Hawkeye79 | 11:32 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011

Ok.

What 'more' did you present Hawkeye?

You didn't say.

TheRealBigDaddy
MAGNA, UT

The university of Maryland study has been debunked. Thoroughly.

In fact, most polls are usually skewered in how they ask questions, and who they ask the questions of.

One thing that was missed is that Obama voted for TARP. He was involved in the negotiations along with Bush and McCain. So he was very involved, pushed for it, and voted for it. And his administration has in fact utilized it in their own way.

Facts are stubborn things, aren't they? Polls are not facts, they are opinion pieces only.

Des News, please don't kill this post. If you allow someone to mock people and claim that as fact, you have to allow this post correcting that post.

You refer to David Asman on Fox Business saying Obama's TARP Slush Fund. Interesting that you didn't say anything else about it. You didn't state that he said Obama passed it into law, just that he stated it was his slush fund. The fact is that most of the TARP was unspent until Obama was in office, allowing him full control over 2/3 of the remainder.

Funny how that fact slipped from the post.

IDC
Boise, ID

Obama floated through the last election with hopey, changey, dreamy. Isn't looking so good this time - now we know him.

Will someone read and summarize Pagen's comment for me, I don't have time for the whole thing.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'You refer to David Asman on Fox Business saying Obama's TARP Slush Fund. Interesting that you didn't say anything else about it.' - TheRealBigDaddy | 11:36 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011

Your right.

Here you go:

*Bush signs $700 billion bailout bill AP Published by Denver Post By Tom Raum 10/03/08

WASHINGTON President Bush quickly signed into law a far-reaching $700 billion bill to bail out the nation's tottering financial industry, calling it "essential to helping America's economy" weather the storm.

$700 billion.

Also, if we're going to talk about spending:

*'Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion' - By David Goldman - CNN - 06/12/08
'...told members of Congress that the war costs taxpayers about $430 million per day...'

And last, you didn't say WHERE the 2/3rds of the funds went too. Just that Obama had control.

Or, your source.

So, your making the implication....but fail to provide the end result of those funds, who made this claim, or that Bush authorized the exact same $700 billion dollar bail out in 2008.

You didn't say...any of those.

carabaoU
Moab, UT

AttackWatch - This week I have eaten hamburgers, fries, spam, m&m's, ice cream, cookies, and white rice. Catch me if you can!

TOO
Sanpete, UT

Obama is scared.

We can't have poor little Obama get made fun of can we? No we can't...no we can't.

The poor guy is getting released from the arms of his mommy--the media--so he has to have people look out for him.

It's pretty scary to think though that a President has a special site to target people who speak against him. Sounds a lot like a communist to me.

Dadof5sons
Montesano, WA

Boy I thought Nixon was paranoid! What this President is doing is a reflection to the old Soviet KGB narc on your neighbor play book. I wonder if he will next have gulag for his political enemies?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Well I guess we better start spying on our neighbors and reporting to the secret Obama police so they can get on with their mid-night shake downs and business shut downs. I thought Tricky Dick was bad - Obama has taken this whole paranoia to a whole new level ... or should I say a new low.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: IDC | 11:47 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011
"Will someone read and summarize Pagen's comment for me, I don't have time for the whole thing."

Summarization #1 Bush bad, Obama good.
Summarization #2 Bush did it too.

carabaoU
Moab, UT

AttachWatch - I just increased by deductions and expenses to lower my taxes. Catch me if you can!

Axe-man
OREM, UT

Pagan frequently quotes half-truths and misleads with headlines. He cites supporting facts and ignores when the truth is exposed. He's done it before (we discussed a military poll once), and he continues today.

Bush signed the $700B TARP bill, and Obama used $300B of the TARP funds when he was in office as a (not-in-original-act) slush fund for additional spending.

Bush's $700B TARP ended (mostly) paid back, costing the taxpayers ~$25B because most was loans/ temporary holdings. I don't approve: I'm just saying the overall bill was mostly paid back.

Obama signed the $787B stimulus bill. It was all spending. None of it came back. It was claimed to keep unemployment under 8%. Unemployment has remained over 9% for all but two months of his presidency.

Obama doesn't know how to run anything and needs to go. As Pagan says, conservatives just want the punchline.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

elisabeth | 11:16 a.m. Sept. 15, 2011
American Fork, UT
Your comment is off topic. Are you implying that misinformation about the LDS church should not be corrected?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

on a more serious and relevant note as it pertains the the 2012 elections...the democratic candidate LOST in both New York and Nevada in the special elections held 2 days ago. The New York loss was particularly stunning since no republican has held that congressional seat since the 1920's!!! Even far left strategist James Carville writes today that it is time to PANIC for Obama because the country has abandoned him and his policies. Time to change course. Gee - YA THINK???

DonO
Draper, UT

Re: Rifleman @ 12:52 p.m.

Wonderful post! Thanks for the chuckle.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. President, please note that not all campaign staff ideas are helpful. This one was a flop.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh its attackwatch...not sasquatch!

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

I am turning in my 88 year old mother and the community is gathering our books to burn. Poor lil old o is paranoid and can't take ANY criticism. out in 15 months and back to community organizing. that is the legacy that he will pass on to his children, worst president in the last 100 years and a community organizer....what a country.

Kickit023
Eagle Mountain, UT

Such broad generalizations Pagan. It's a two way street if you want to use generalizations like that. When a group of liberals were presented with McCain policies before the last Presidential election, but were told they were Obama's they were behind them 100%. All they cared about were the handouts Obama was promising them. So, looks like neither side then care about the facts.

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