I must confess, I gave away my BYU season tickets for this year. I think
Independence was a bad decision for BYU. As CougarClub boosters, devoted
tailgaters, and Blue-blooded fans for 15years, we don't care about
"exposure" and money from media contracts. This is supposed to be
amatuer sports. It is supposed to be about the game. We care about winning
against good teams. We care about the pursuit of excellence in playing the game.
We cared about being part of an up and coming conference, the MWC, that was
earning respect, and with the addition of Boise State, would have been one of
the stronger conferences in the country, with a bright future ahead of it. We
cared about the battle to become king of the MWC Mountain, with aspirations for
respectable Bowl Games. But BYU "sold out" in the name of better
"exposure" and more money. Now we are in no-man's land... like a man
without a country, we are not battling for a position atop anything. We play a
cream puff schedule of randoms, and the entire season lacks competitive context
and meaning. It is a pathetic disappointment to us.
Um, I've got news for everyone here. This game has always been irrelevant
outside of Utah. There's no doubt this is a big time rivalry in the eyes of the
teams playing and the fans. But it has never had national appeal. Like Kansas
vs. Missouri. No doubt a bitter rivalry, but no national appeal. Wisconsin vs.
Minnesota the longest consecutive rivarly at 119 years. No real national
appeal.WVU vs. Pitt a very deep rivalry. But no real national appeal. Let it just be what it is.Top 5 Rivalries that have national
Appeal.Ohio St. vs. MichiganTexas vs. Oklahoma The Red River
ShootoutAlabama vs. AuburnGeorgia vs. Florida Largest Outdoor
Cocktail PartyArmy vs. Navy
Assuming Utah can get 5 more wins without beating BYU, then I agree with this
article for the most part. However, this is not guaranteed. I could see the Utes
being at the end of the year going in to the Colorado game with 4 wins saying
"Boy I wish we beat BYU. I guess that game really does matter for us".
On the other hand I could just as easily see them going in to the Colorado game
with 7 wins (even after losing to BYU) and deciding this game was irrelevant
(while at the same time continuing to obsess about BYU).
The bigger game was last week @USC, the PAC-12 South favorite. If we had won
that game we would have been in the drivers seat with ASU visiting SLC.I think the rivalry game will be even more irrelevant with Super 64 on
horizon.Here's the latest:"There's nothing Texas
could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on
leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big
12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative
tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12
stability." I think BYU was a good fit for the Big 12 but now
what? ACC? Where will BYU land in the Super 64?
the Armed Forces Bowl?? Really the Armed Forces Bowl??? Please tell me that is
not the best going independent can produce. The Armed Forces Bowl is about the
bottom of the bowl barrel so I guess we can now say that this decision to go
independent was a total bust. What's the pay out for the the Armed Forces Bowl -
$500? Is it even on TV? Geez, I have to think that trying to keep fan excitement
up for this program is going to die the first time BYU steps foot in the the
Armed Forces Bowl. It's sort of like climbing a mountain only to find a mall at
the top. What's the point in climbing anymore? No wonder Bronco only signed a 3
And since when did the WAC Championship or the Mountain West Conference
Championship ever mean anything. Beating Utah and winning National Championships
is all that matters.
Veritas:I agree, as I said earlier but was denied. What happens to
the cool group when more "cool guys" like Texas, OU, Ok State, TT join
the crowd. This will push the u further down in the pac. It will be the old pac
8, O,O State, Wash, Wash State, Cal, Stanford, Ucla, USC vrs the new pac 8 west,
U, Colo, Texas,TT, ASU, Az, Ok, Ok State. Not one conference but two sub
super.Where do you think the u will finish in the pac west let alone
in the pac16? U had better be careful what you wish for, you might get it. If anyone is satisfied with "association" rather than winning,
so be it. Some like the latter.I really think the bcs will be gone
in two years. Some sort of playoff will have to be implemented. Money will not
continue to rule.
JimmyPage, for all of about 25 years since they have been playing has BYU
overshadowed Utah. In the history of around a 100 years that's not much. Fact
is Utah overshadowed BYU for the first 40 of Y football teams existence with
regular beat downs. Since the early 90s I would dare say Utah has outshined BYU
in overall nationally recognized accomplishments such going undefeated twice,
kicking Bama in the teeth being the first team invited to an AQ conference that
wasnt the Big Least. Fact is aside from individual player awards, what has BYU
done to match Utah's two undefeated seasons in the last 7 years? I'll tell you,
not a thing since 1984. Bottom line, Utah owns BYU by 21 games. Utah has a
better overall winning percentage for all games played and by far a better bowl
record. Facts are facts though that has never stopped Y fan fantasy.
Yawn. 13 to 12, only one touchdown. Winner? Who cares?
I agree with Anonymous Infinity, and i think the final score of this game will
be 13-10 Utah, providing that both teams' lines can block long enough to get off
a field goal.
Utes by 3 in a nail-biter!Heaps will have his share of interceptions...
Hmm. How is Utah in BYU's shadow? Sticking to things that happened in the past
10 years. First non-AQ team to go to a BCS bowl. First non-AQ team to go to two
BCS bowls. First school to have the number one picks in the same year in NFL and
NBA, although I will give you that Alex Smith hasn't been the greatest. First
non-AQ to make the jump to a BCS conference. What has BYU done? Yeah some nice
rankings at the end of the year. Oh yeah. They followed Utah's lead by going
independent after Utah jumped to the PAC12. Yeah, Utah is definitely in the
shadows of BYU.
@Cougars-Wise Older BrothersBe patient with them. Like you said, it
would be tough to be over-shadowed all the time by the success of others. Give
them a few years of irrelevancy in the PAC and they'll realize how good they had
it when they were a small fish in a small pond. Being a small fish in a big pond
will be just too much for them to handle. Take last week, for example. USC, in a
down year, still handles Utah. How will they fare against Oregon? Stanford?
Arizona State? It's not rocket science. They'll get trounced. Poor kids...
The BYU Cougars are happy to host the Utes on ESPN this weekend and to help them
out on another running record.Let's see, the Utes are on a roll on
nationally televised games and losing.Three games last year on
national tv and they were embarrassing losses. AND last week's loss on Versus,
which I assume qualifies as another national tv appearance was embarrassing as
well. A blocked FG at the end no less and run back for a TD, that was
classic!4 losses in a row on national tv. Worried Ute fans? U should
be!Cougars will make it FIVE this weekend AND on ESPN no less!
Both BYU and Utah are completely irrelevant on the national scene. Let's just
enjoy the game and quite lying to ourselves with all the rhetoric.
This should be called the Bologna Bowl.
Think of Florida St. vs. Florida or Georgia vs. Georgia Tech, or Army vs.
Navy--all out of conference affairs where the rivalry is huge. But best when
the game is either at the very end of the season or at the beginning of the
season. I would say that the rivalry game has lost some luster being the third
game in September. It means more for BYU because they are independent and any
hopes for a BCS bowl are dependent on winning about every game. For Utah, it
means something of course because it's BYU but a loss in the game isn't as
important in the big scheme of things.
"Kind of reminds me of another little team in Provo."It's
gotta be tough pretending that the team whose shadow you live in is irrelevant.
Chicagoborn- You are a comic genius!
It is relevant to me and to all real Ute and Cougar fans. Go Utes!
@JimmyPage"Colorado hasn't been relevant in years." Kind of
reminds me of another little team in Provo.
WE will Wynn on Saturday!
I Still Can't Say It | 8:14 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011 Holladay, UT "We all went to high school. You know how it is when you end up in the
popular clique with the cool kids. You have to move on..."===Why is it that Utah fans keep relating the PAC as something
really special that happened in high school?Really, is high school
life's high point with you kids? ===I like where the
series is going. Not really a conference rivalry, but an enjoyable in-state
game. BBQ, beverages, friends, and college football. No Conference Championship
to be decided. Enjoy it for what it is, kids...
we will win on saturday!
@ WwookieSo you think Utah can put up 24 on BYUs defense, when Texas
(its not even worth comparing recruiting classes) could only put up 17?Just when I thought Utah fans couldnt get any more delusional!
atl134You can't lose on the last play of a game that you never led.
The team you lost to barely beat Minnesota 19-17 at home a week earlier. Last
Saturday, Minnesota lost at home to New Mexico State (28-21).Bottom
line, you lost to a mediocre, unranked USC team in a game Utah trailed from
first score to last.
Two things1 - The final score will be: Utah 24BYU
172 - in response to the silly survey to side of this article:BYU fans think Notre Dame even knows who they are? BYU's biggest rival
should be ND? haha, that would be about the 50th most important rivaly for ND in
that case, right after their rivalry with Ole Miss, and not even close to
Michigan, USC, Mich State, Ohio State,...Just when you thought the
bubble BYU fans live in couldn't get any bigger!
@wardu"Scoreboard blew up on ya. "It did, took them
2 hours to put the pieces back together apparently.@reader1234"Utah's move to the PAC-12 will land them in mediocrity for a very long
time just like ASU and Arizona when they went there in the late 70's."We essentially lost on the last play... on the road... against the team
that was the preseason favorite to win the PAC-12 south (if it were allowed to
do so). That's hardly an indication of long term mediocrity.
@BleedCrimsonA major difference between the two: BYU wasn't grossly
overrated. Everyone knew we were in a rebuilding year. Utah, on the other hand,
was posing as a top ten team, when in reality they could BARELY hang with a team
that lost to Utah State and Nevada. Not very impressive. And your comment: "Your Cougars are not any better than they were last
year." Offensively, you may be right. The jury is still out on that
one.Defensively, however, BYU has vastly improved. Lets
talk about your Utes for a minute. Last year, you had a QB who could at least
throw the ball down field. This year, you have a QB that throws the ball like a
scared little girl. Last year, your O line could block. This year, they look
like a confused group of Biggest Loser Contestants. BYU may not have
improved much, but at least we're not WORSE than we were last year, like our
little sisters up north.
Bleed Crimson "Your Cougars are not any better than they were last
year."You are about to discover that the utes are not as good
as last year. How did that blocked field goal feel. Scoreboard blew up on ya.
Utah's move to the PAC-12 will land them in mediocrity for a very long time just
like ASU and Arizona when they went there in the late 70's. BYU will also be in
no man's land for a while. This game was great and it will now be nothing more
then a game thanks to Utah's greed. I think the MWC could have been better than
what we have now.
And Bleed Crimson delivers the TKO!
@Thehailstorm:I appreciate your comment. And you're right, it's all about
the outcome of the game, all the surrounding conference stuff doesn't carry much
weight. When it comes down to it, BYU just wants to beat Utah, and vice versa.
@ jimmypage"Speaking of bowls, remember when Utah got
embarrassed last year in the Vegas Bowl? Man that was fun to watch.Even better was the contest against Notre Dame when you were ranked somewhere
in the top 10, was it? It's always nice when utahs real identity is showcased to
the Nation on ESPN. Pretenders. Fakes. Charlatans. That'll give you
a taste of what to expect on Saturday. A beat down on ESPN."Speaking of losses: Remember when byu got their rear ends handed to them by
Utah State on ESPN? That was pretty cool! Oh yeah and fellow WAC member Nevada
whipped you pretty good in Provo. You can't possibly forget TCU punching you in
the mouth. Lets see, Air Force destroyed you on 9/11 and Florida State smacked
you a week later. Lastly, "Burton is still Unblocked" and
SCOREBOARD!Your Cougars are not any better than they were last year.
This game is irrelevant, and I think it is only a matter of time before it will
be discontinued unless the schools end up in the same conference again in the
future shuffles. Highly unlikely. I am a fan of both BYU and Utah. I cheer
for both of them. I did not grow up in Utah. Outside of Utah, this rivalry is
next to meaningless already, even before Utah and BYU went their separate ways.
But the reality is, every single conference game Utah plays is more important
than this one. Given that fact, can BYU accept being a second tier rival for
Utah? And does Utah want to play a game outside of a tough conference schedule
that they have a somewhere between a 30%(Ute Fan)-50% (Coug Fan) chance of
losing? I doubt it. And for Coug fans, without a conference, the only hope is
to run the table or you play in some goofy bowl no one has heard of. So this
game is no more important than any other. The game will die a natural death.
On a little bit of a different note....The PAC 8 snobs want to push
the newbies into a dustbowl division in order to get some more cash. Wouldn't
it be sweet if the U of U, CU, ASU, and Az rejected the idea of being pushed
into a PAC16 east? What if they bolted for the Big 12? Nudge Tx out through an
equal revenue vote. Bring in BYU, Boise, UNLV, and San Diego State for a sweet
super conference and leave the PAC 8 teams in desperation.I know
it's pie in the sky. And my BYU hating Utah fans will torch me for it. But I
think it would be pretty awesome.
These two teams have had 12 of their last 14 games result in less than a 7 point
difference. I see no reason that won't be the case again. BYU 20 Utah 17 is my
prediction. Frankly I think the two teams are evenly matched... so I'll give it
to the home team (though I want Utah to win).
You all will have to excuse Navel Vet, He is "all wet". He has been to
the amusement park and spent too long in the hall of mirrors. The kind that make
you look bigger than you really are. Please don't be jealous of our
accomplishments, ie, National Championship, Heisman winner, Doak Walker Award
winner, Outland Trophy award winner. When you have the "hardware" that
BYU has, come back and we will debate who is "big brother" and who is
I don't care when they play the game I just want it played year in and year out.
Whether eating crow or dishing out the humble pie, this game is just
too much good entertainment for the entire states football fans to lose out
on. To me the game is huge and I love the parity of this years two teams.
BYU plays much better than I first supposed and Utah has seconds of
brilliance. It seems that each year there are a lot of interesting side
stories to the rivalry. For example...the defensive genius of both head coaches
or how the fans of both schools have two EXTREMELY good coaches that fit each
schools temperament to a tee. In the years since Mendenhall and
Whittingham took over their current programs there has been a noticeable
increase in positive national media coverage. With both BYU and Utah having
received some very good press this notoriety is starting to show up most
noticeably in the area of recruiting. To me this is the biggest game in
Utah sports each year and has been since the radio days of my youth. Who
cares when then game is played ? Go Utes !
I love the dissing on USU, the Aggies will probably beat byu in a couple of
weeks and would probably beat Utah this year too!
I've never heard a Utah fan gloat to a BYU fan that they were conference
champions. I've never seen a BYU fan tell a Utah fan that they were now bowl
eligible. All that ever mattered was who won the game. It's never been about
conference titles or bowl eligibility. It's always been about school pride. You
never hear hear, "we're conference champions!" the next day at work.
You only hear, "haha, we beat you!" You're kidding yourself if you
think this game being played in september will lessen the rivalry.
It will be fun to watch the game in HD on ESPN, something that the Ute games are
lacking in this year. It will be even better when I get to see the Utah State
and BYU and TCU and BYU games live this year.
Naval vet showing his in - security, my dad's tougher than your dad, my team
made the playoffs and yours didn't, Utes are in the PAC12 and BYU's independent,
The Navy's better than the Army. Always talking trash with no substance,
bitterness clouding reality, hatred always, rational never!Good for
Mr. Scott for displacing greed for tradition. Utah has risen to great football
heights of late, good for them, I mean that seriously but the rivalry, will be
overshadowed by Utah's total dependence and bondage to the powers of the mighty
dollar and delusion that servitude is somehow worth the promise of a BCS bowl
game. BYU can't do anything about the rivalry except what the PAC12
dictates but BYU is not beholden to the greed and corruption that is the BCS
system. Independence has it's challenges for sure but we will be just fine and
Hey, Navel Vet. You have "missed the boat." BYU doesn't have any BIG
brothers, only little sisters and second cousins. At the family reunion (on
Saturday)we are having "potluck." The Cougars will be a good host and
provide the main course. It won't be of any great matter what else is made
available. But come and join us, it will fun!
How can people predict a 34 point outing for this years BYU offense. I'm all
BYU, but two offensive touchdowns in two games does not bode well for an great U
defense coming to provo on Sat. If Anae 2.0 is still current
deployment on Saturday, we'll be lucky to score one td, let alone 4 in the game.
Best of luck to the cougs...I hope they come out on top.
Maybe the game tickets at stubhub will decrease.
Naval Vet:Why are you referring to Colorado as BYU's "Big
Brother?" They haven't been relevant in years. Colorado joining the PAC 12
has nothing to do with the BYU-Utah rivalry. Oh, I get it, you were
referring to Utah as BYU's big brother! Hahahaha, that is hilarious! Well, you must be right. I just miss my "big brother" and the ghetto
Mountain West. Now that my "big brother" has moved on, things just
aren't the same. Since my "big brother" has graduated and moved on to
beating up on the likes of Montana State and losing to pathetic USC (that's
right, USC is pathetic) this game just isn't as meaningful as it used to be.Let me spell this out for you. Utah moving to irrelevancy has nothing to
do with my lack of enthusiasm. I'd say it has more to do with last weeks showing
in Texas and the fact that it's September. Don't flatter yourself.
The Florida / Florida State rivalry works since they are usually both ranked and
bragging about each others conference shedule. (I don't know why Miami doesn't
rival with them.) Hoping in the new future both BYU and Utah are ranked
Might as well move the game to a nuetral site...like Atlanta.
Great. The best game for season ticket holders is now the "irrelevant
Speaking of bowls, remember when Utah got embarrassed last year in the Vegas
Bowl? Man that was fun to watch.Even better was the contest against
Notre Dame when you were ranked somewhere in the top 10, was it? It's always
nice when utahs real identity is showcased to the Nation on ESPN. Pretenders.
Fakes. Charlatans. That'll give you a taste of what to expect on
Saturday. A beat down on ESPN.
jimmypage:"I can't tell you what it is, but for me, something
is missing..."I can tell you what it is. It's that your big
brother is now playing in the Pac-12, all while you're still a peer to the
mid-majors. You're missing that Big TeX invite.
It's not irrelevant. There are just more important games for both teams. Utah
has to start preparing for Pac 10 opponents. BYU has to start preparing for the
Armed Forces Bowl.
I love this game as much as the next fan. I've seen these teams play each other
in Salt Lake and in Provo multiple times. I've worn blue in the MUSS because
that was the only seat I could get. I've stormed the field, and I've stormed out
of the stadium in utter disappointment. Typically, I lose sleep the night before
kickoff. I remember thinking on my mission that if I could choose one day a year
to come home, it wouldn't be Christmas or Mothers Day; it would be for The
Rivalry.All that said, I'm finding it hard to get juiced for this
game. Is it because BYU broke my heart in Texas last week? I lost sleep before
that game...Maybe it's because we no longer share a conference? Or
could it be the fact that it's September? I turned down a pair of
free tickets for the game this week. In years past, I would do almost anything
for a ticket. "I can just as easily watch it on tv," I think to
myself. Maybe I'm getting old...I can't tell you what it is, but for
me, something is missing...
When I read "Way back in ancient times (OK, 2010), BYU-Utah week was a
period of fear and loathing," I quit; reading, that is.Why is
is that sports writers (and journalists in general) need to write controversy?
Does it increase readership in this antagonistic society that we've
created?Does everything have to be "in your face,"
"put the other guy down," "we're better than you,"
"diehard win at all costs?"Sorry, but for me that's not
sports.In this world of controversy and strife of all kinds, can't
we just have sports events for the fun of the game anymore?Why do we
need to embrace the Vince Lombardi "Winning isn't everything, but losing is
nothing," (or words to that effect)?When sports journalists and
commentators keep the pot stirred up, the game suffers and fans start throwing
beer bottles at opposing teams and officials like happened in Cleveland a few
years ago.So, so long Rock, I'll put you on my rapidly expanding
list of "journalists" whom I don't care to pay attention to
(regardless of how "cleaver" the article.
Media, coaches, and players need to remember that at either school football
would not exist without the support of the fans. Fans of both teams want this
game! Anyone who says otherwise does not know football, or respect the great
history and dozens of great games and moments this rivalry has produced. I know it's just football. However, America and Utah loves football. Give
the fans what we want. If you don't, your program may cease to exist.
I agree that it's tough to feel as wrapped up in this as in past years because
there is so much of the season to follow.That said, it may be an
interesting game because both offenses have struggled so far this year.Jordan Wynn looks only marginally better than he did at the end of last season
- half-a-notch above awful. (Utes should have put more confidence/development in
Griff Robles.)Jake Heaps is half as good as he was at the end of
last season - Sophomore slump maybe...It's possible that one of the
offenses will have a breakout game but I'm going with BYU 17 Utah 13
Mr. Rock-these comment boards are one place the game will ALWAYS matter! Coming
into the season I thought BYU would win this game easily, but after seeing the
pitiful offensive performance the last two weeks I am not so confident. If
anything, BYU had a better defense than ever, but the offense is a melting pot
of stagnant potential. But in the end the winner will have state
bragging rights for the next year and folks on these comment boards will post
and comment and belittle and disparage. And I can't wait!
This isn't even BYU's best home opponent. Both Utah State and UCF are going to
be more of a challenge.
I had hoped for both teams to come into this game undefeated. Unfortunately,
that's not the case so the luster is obviously off. There isn't even much to
brag about in this game as it's already void of any meaning. I'm still hoping
though that the Cougars will come out on top but in no way do I think it's going
to be easy. Utah still has a lot of fight in them so I hope the Cougars will be
ready. The Cougars offense still has a lot to prove, and Utah State is going to
be even more difficult this year. Go Cougs, and good luck!
Utah taking its second loss won't really remember how bad it was getting beat up
by BYU the third week of the season. They won't remember this one because it
won't be competitive. By the end of the season the only thing Utah fans will be
remembering is that great win against Montana State and HOPEFULLY a win against
Oregon State. Most of the other games on the schedule, especially the road
games the Utes will be underdogs.The problem Utah has is
simple--they lack a quarterback this year and will not move the ball. They have
a decent looking defense, but they can't score enough for the Utes to be in this
one.BYU 34 Utah 13
This will be another great Rivalry game it would be stupid to not play this game
even though this is not for the conference title it still means something to the
fans players coaches and the school's FSU and Florida are from different
conferences as are alot of Rivalry games. I'm very excited to see these teams
play especially how both will be very fired up after close losses that we all
know should've been wins here's to another great game! GO COUGARS
Actually people will still be talking about this game in November, the game may
not have as much riding on the line as it has in the past but as long as these
two teams play people will talk about it. The emotions with this rivalry have
gotten to be strong enough that changing the time it's played and eliminating
conference titles from the equation won't eliminate the urge to brag about who
won the game. Reading the comments on the various articles for these two teams
is proof of that, both sides rag on each other and claim they are better. For
what it's worth I wouldn't have it any other way, it's good to have a rivalry
like we have and if it were to end it wouldn't be as fun since I don't know who
would step up to be our rivals. Rivalries like this don't form overnight. GO
BYU 31 Utah 17. Game over
Hello, my name is SGT_Coug, and I'm a BYU Fan. I'm excited for this week to be
over so I can look forward to a great season after this week. After Utah, I
don't have to play any other difficult opponents until I travel to Dallas for
Halloween. It's rather ironic though, I'll be flying back to Dallas in December
for the Armed Forces Bowl since we'll only lose two more games after this week,
TCU and USU...Oh wow, that was a horrible nightmare. GO UTES, 31-17!
I agree about it being the season opener. It would be a blast. But I'm excited
about the game and want BYU to win as bad as any other year. Bragging rights for
a year sounds good to me. Go get em Cougars!
Utah 31 Byu 17. Game over
I think they need to do something about it. Either find a way to move it to the
end, or make it the opening game of the season every year. The buildup to the
game being the opening game would be big! I hope they find a way to make it
These rivalry games are arguably amongst the most exciting played all year,
considering the pairity amongst these two. In the end, only a few years did the
game actually mean anything (ex: 2008) other than bragging rights.Don't be fooled. Good games happen in September too. Keep block U on alert...
I talked to Holmoe about a month ago asking how the rivalry was going. He said
it was strong, and basically said that there's no question as to whether or not
there will be future games. He also said that both teams would be wearing their
home jerseys for all the BYU-Utah games. I believe he even said that would be
the case this Saturday.
Rumors are spreading that the rivalry game may not be played every year. The
Utes would prefer to focus on their new friends in the PAC. We all
went to high school. You know how it is when you end up in the popular clique
with the cool kids. You have to move on...A break would also make
Coach Roscoe happy, who has has said he thinks it's a good idea for BYU to take
a few years of from the rivalry game.