Luxury retailer among stores to open at city creek
$1.3billion over the last 26 years includes material donations made by members
according to the church website. That amounts to $50 million a year, or about
1% of what the church receives in tithing per year from its members. Since the
Corporation of the President doesn't publish its financials, we can only assume
how it spends the other 99%. Deseret News articles have quoted church
leaders in the past that have stated none of the church's tithing funds were
used to redevelop downtown SLC. So, where exactly did the money come from?
I do not mean this to be rude but is City Creek primarily targeted to women?
No Vicky's? Ahhhh. sigh.
LValfre and Truthseeker,$1.3 billion donated to humanitarian causes
does not include the products fast offerings and the Church Welfare system
distributed by Bishops, which I am confident dwarfs the $1.3 billion.The "Church" includes Church members, which also donate time, money
and other resources to "Church" causes (including many, many hours to
Church Welfare operations) and many other worthy causes. Think Jon Hunstman,
Sr., who has donated billions to the Huntsman Cancer Institute. Also remember
that the LDS Church made a large donation to the HCI. I do not remember the
amount, because I'm not keeping score. Not keeping score leaves more time for
me to devote my time, talents and other resources to worthy causes.
@Truthseeker,$1.3 billion (reported allegedly, although they won't
show us) in aid since 1985 (25 years)$1.0 billion + City Creek
Project right now (1 year)What's the priority? Helping people are
building more businesses?
re:MrsHPerhaps you could point out to me where I stated the Church NEVER
does anything good for those who need help. In fact, the Church reported in
2010 that the value of humanitarian assistance since 1985 was $1.3 billion. It
is good too the Church donated land for use by the American Cancer Society and
the $1 billion/+ City Creek project will create jobs. I would point
out that every advance in society began with people asking questions. The LDS
Church itself began with a questioning 14 yr old boy who wasn't comfortable with
the status quo. Anything out in the public domain is going to be
questioned and criticized. We ought to be able to tolerate questions and someone
stating they are a "wee bit" uncomfortable without ascribing
statements to them that they didn't make.
So, with the LDS Church as the landlord, do the CC&R's allow the stores to
be open on Sundays?
Yeah, Truthseeker, The LDS Church NEVER does anything good for those who
need help...Oh, wait, on the very same page as this article, there is an article
about donating a couple acres land to help cancer patients. But
they also got criticised for that.Just can't win, I guess.
My wife and I never go downtown. We have everything we need in and near our East
Bench neighborhood. When this site opens, we don't plan on changing our shopping
and dining styles.
re:79Ute"Absolutely no tithing money or fast offering funds, or
interest on tithing and fast offerings, is used on these commercial projects;
they are completely separate from the ecclesiastical and charitable work of the
LDS Church."Since the Church doesn't publish its financial
statements in the U.S., I'm wondering what your source of info. is?
I'll bet those construction workers, Mormon and non Mormon, who had jobs with
the contractors who built City Creek were very pleased that the church continued
with this project in the midst of these economically difficult times. Downtown
Salt Lake was getting pretty run down and it was contiguous with Temple Square
where many tourists visit. I'd like my home town to be a place that tourists
enjoy visiting. Salt Lake has done what a lot of cities have done to revitalize
their inner cities but it didn't take taxpayer dollars to do it. Why is it that
no matter what the church does, there are critics that feel obligated to
complain. Their complaints say a lot more about their own character than it
does about the LDS church.
re:ShaunNow, if you but into the notion that Planned Parenthood
conceptually uses taxpayer money to fund abortions because "money is
fungible," then, yes, tithing money can be viewed as contributing to the
church's commercial concerns. Though I understand SLC residents are
very excited about this venture, as an LDS member it makes me a wee bit
uncomfortable. I would much rather see the LDS church building hospitals in
underserved countries, building homes in Haiti, fully-funding the health clinic
in SLC which serves the homeless and their children, funding mental health
services in UT or any number of charitable endeavors.
All I have to say is Tiffany and Co. Gentlemen, look out ;)
Read the whole story, all 20 stores are listed at the end of the article.
This is going to be great. It will certainly rival the shopping mall found
outside the Vatican in Rome!
Can we all say Zarahemla.If i lived in Utah I might enjoy checking
this place out. Mostly for the Bose Store. I love Bose. I am totally tone deaf
but i still love Bose. Bose either sponsers or uuse to sponser Rush because of
their Target Market, loves quality and has the money to pay for it. Bose has
sales also.Macys i do not shop at because they have different
colored Stars on their Bags and one iss a Red Star, and I think they mean No
Harm but I still can't do that. My kids tell me they have good sales. Nordstroms I have just never been in. I here it is High End great quality and
has sales. We have one at Main Mall in Honolulu. Asian Tourist love to shop High
End American Goods. When they visit. Half our Tourist Trade is Asian, they like
to come here and get married, and shop till they drop, some of the signs are in
English and Japanese, and the Bank Of Hawaii, ATM's do several Lanagues, Wal-Mart on the other hand still has its Wet Floor signs in English and
The only thing I was disappointed with from this list (and I realize that this
isn't a complete listing by any means)- was that it was so heavily focused on
fashion, make-up, men's 'finer' products, etc. The article said 'all incomes'
would be represented, yet the list didn't really seem very balanced.Any more info there?I have generally moved away from mall
shopping. I buy most of my products online. I usually find that malls serve the
'popular crowd' only and never specialty and very individualized customers. For
this reason, I simply worry that the City Creek mall may end up being too
similar to every other mall I've ever been to. Maybe I'm asking to much, who
knows... but I'd like to see more info on how the Mall will serve all residents.
This list just didn't seem to do that for me.
I am excited to visit this area when it opens.I am from out of state but
visit Utah often.I am also thankful for the Church in gaining all of these
jobs for people. They sure came at a critical time.. both in the building of the
center and once when it is finished and will need all the workers for the
stores.I am sure that there will be some lower priced stores in there
also.. guess will just have to wait and see.
looks nice, but why would I fight traffic downtown, pay for parking - including
the hastle of finding it, when I can go to the local suburban strip mall to buy
what I want?
A list of the 20 retailers has been available since around noon. It can be found
by clicking on the link under the picture.
Apparently, 20 is also a made up number because they were not listed in the
story. I think I am in the huge majority who expected to read which 20 new
stores are coming to Salt Lake.
I don't know what the problem is with what the 20 stores are. I was able to read
the list at the end of the article. However, almost every store is shown to have
"high-end" merchandise which usually means "high-priced".
The article stated that people of every income level would be able to shop
there. Well, so far, when I come for a visit to SLC (at least twice a year) I
may be able to shop and pay for items at the Harmon's grocery store that is
going to be included at City Creek but not the other places. I am a teacher's
aide and saving for my retirement in 5 years.
The LDS Church has done a nice job with the City Creek development. The concept
is right on.There is one major problem I wish the LDS Church would
address next--the traffic is absolutely horrible to get around "the
Vatican," and the traffic is only going to get much worse once there are
many more folks living downtown and way more folks visiting downtown again.
WB, the story's title refers to 20 stores. Since headlines draw you in to a
story, I'm guessing about 99.9 percent of readers are looking to see which 20
stores will be opening there. Its a dis-service for Jason with an e to not
include that info.
Absolutely thrilled that my wife can now spend more of my money. Thrilled.
I invite others who would find criticism of new developments on the basis of not
liking anything LDS-related- to reconsider their feelings on such projects for
another view that I believe is not only reasonable from a non-LDS perspective,
but is also reasonable independent of any owner of real-estate.The
LDS Church has many beliefs about many things, but many forget that the Church
believes in perusing virtuous and praiseworthy things. Even more forget that
this means that the Church is continually trying to better itself, and in doing
so will have motivation to improve everything done in the Church.With that, the LDS Church paradigm is that we should all be good tenants and
good stewards in all of our doings. While one may not really enjoy an LDS
presence around them, the Church certainly puts a great deal of effort into
building a safe and inviting environment for everyone; the fact that there will
be restaurants serving coffee, wine, etc. absolutely stands as a testament to
the commitment the Church has made towards welcoming all Utahn's and not just
the Utahn LDS membership.I hope that others will focus their
attention on the positive.
Dear Shaun, The Church has invested in business for years, it's ownership or
partnership in businesses in the past and present pay dividends and
"Profits" which are then re-invested and grow in other investments,
and businesses. this has been the case for decades! Things such as Farms,
business, Deseret News, IHC in the past, Printing companies, Record Keeping, and
much more that can be investigated by individuals will help one to realize that
the Church IS incorporated as a CHURCH and has business interests. When you have
very Wealthy men you know you can trust and other wealthy men invest in them,
and leave large trusts and grants and business interests to the church, along
with the Lord's inspiration, growth is the only option. The Church is Wealthy,
it's businesses pay taxes, but the "Church Side" does not. Tithing is
for the Church, Offerings are for the CHUCH, such as missionary work, temples
and Ward Houses, Caring for the Poor, and such. Why is it because the church is
investing in the Inner City to keep it Safe & Clean, everyone condemns them?
If the Church ran the city, it would be in much better shape than it is!
Absolutely no tithing money or fast offering funds, or interest on tithing and
fast offerings, is used on these commercial projects; they are completely
separate from the ecclesiastical and charitable work of the LDS Church.
How does the LDS church afford to build this project without tithing money?
Tithing money has to be used either directly or indirectly, right?(e.g. interest
off tithing money)Can anyone answer my question? And I am not
attacking the LDS church i am just curious more than anything.
You didn't list the 20 stores, the headline topic and stated objective of the
first sentence in the article. You only referred the reader to the website of
this commercial venture. Was this story news, or, an advertisement?
I'll visit City Creek for the food and buy most other items on the Internet.
is this the same skybridge that was going to be built over ross anderson's
"dead body"? i guess we know where to find ross now.
So what are the names of the 20 stores? Without that, what is the story?
This is so exciting...I can't wait. President Hinckley's vision of downtown SLC
is truly becoming the great downtown he envisioned.