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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 13 2011 9:00 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


As long as it's not barack

From CNN today:

"The nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% in 2010, its highest level since 1993. In 2009, 14.3% of people in America were living in poverty. About 46.2 million people are now considered in need."

Way to go barack - that's all you.

He told us if we spent his original 787 billion that unemployment would not reach 8%.

Whoever believes him anymore is a fool.

Manny Being Manny
Pleasant Grove, UT

Can someone explain to me what the definition of a flip-flopper is? I know Mitt has been labeled as one for his views on abortion. So why wouldn't Rick Perry be one for "adjusting" his views on Social Security? First he's against it, and now he's for it?

If Perry's claim is that he just wants to reform it - of course, most every candidate has indicated that. But Perry's stance in Fed Up went much further than just reform.

And why does Perry get a free pass on the "untruths" he keeps forcing on Romney (see Fact check on "criminal" and "claims about Dukakis' job creation". Politics, sheesh.

Orem, Utah

If Romney gets the Republican nomination, bye-bye Obama. If Perry gets it, the national election will be 50-50.

It'll be interesting to see whether the Republican machine figures this out in time.

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

Mitt Romney is certainly a great debater, because he knows how to say what people want to hear. Here's some examples:

to reporter in 2008 campaign: well, I dont recall God speaking to me. I, I dont recall God speaking to anyone since, uh, Moses and the [burning] bush, or perhaps some others, but, but I dont have that frequent of communication.

The "perhaps some others" caveat gives his jut enough wiggle room that the Mormons won't be too mad, while the others won't think he is weird.
Or how about these:
"I will protect and respect a woman's right to choose." (2002)
"I will be a pro-life President." (2011)

It's all about the office he is running for and when he is running for it. Did anyone else notice that in the CNN video clip that no new ideas were offered? Just attacks on Rick Perry and about how bad he is. Just being better than Perry is not good enough for America. Sure, we want Mitt to do well because he is one of "us", but let's not be so biased that we ignore his faults.

Roy, UT

Very interesting debate I thought, I thought Michelle Bachman was strong, and I thought again Gingrich did well when given a chance to answer a question. I think Ron Paul needs to give it up, and get out of the race. Huntsman is a broken record and is throwing his daddy's hard earned money out the window! I think the serious contendors are Romney, Perry, Bachman and Gingrich. The problem I have with Gingrich is his "Hard Line Party Stance", although I do know he can work across party lines. I thought Romney won it, and I thought Bachman and Gingrich and Senturim did well. I think Perry is becoming a guy I am not so sure about. He seems to have that "Texas arrogance", and I am not so sure I like that very much? All I know is I am starting to narrow my choices for vice-president!

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

Perry is a typical texan...everything is bigger and better in Texas. Too pompous for me. Puffed out chest, bravado, unpresidential. Any are better than o, but Romney is best qualified.

Danish American
Payson, UT

Don't know which experts Hal Boyd is listening to, but the "experts" I have read this morning didn't think Mitt did very well.

Provo, Ut

I also struggle with Romney's seemingly convenient change of stance on key moral issues, particularly when the previous stance was great for getting elected Gov. of Massachusettes but bad for getting elected President. Still, there is little doubt that he is the most intelligent candidate among the republicans currently (the republicans need an intelligent President). His seven points last night were all right on. Rick Perry isn't going to hurt Romney in the long run, he's an empty basket so far. Inspite of some of my apprehensions, Romney may just win me over yet.

I have to say that Huntsman is a complete disappointment. I would imagine he's already regretting his decision to run. It looks like Obama was worried over nothing.

Roy, UT

Richard Saunders, Romney is right on both his 2202 & his 2011 quotes, and ANYONE who understands the gospel understands he is PRO-Life! He is also someone who believes strongly in a persons right to choose, "For there must needs be an oposition in all things", although the "CHOICE should ALWAYS BE FOR LIFE!" As for the debate, Romney came out hands down the winner, I think Bachman and Gingrich were impressive as well, and Perry was given Center Stage to show what a radical he can be. Perry will shoot himself in the foot with Social Security, or some other "Constitution" thing. Perry and the vaccine thing and the in state tuition for alians will be his down fall, along with his Social Security views from his book. Then if he changes his views, he is a "Flip-Flopper" like Romney was labeled in the last election. The fact is Romney nor Perry are "Flip-Floppers", people don't understand what they meant when they said or wrote what they said or wrote. Perry didn't mean, Social Security was a "Ponzy Scheme" as in, get rid of it, he meant it needs to be phased out over time!

Murray, Utah

re: Manny - A flip-flop is when you start at a position, move to another position (flip), and then come back to your original position (flop). I don't mind people who change their minds (flip), but if they come back to their original position (flop) it brings up two concerns in my mind: perhaps they weren't diligent in their original research and mind-change (which calls to question their judgment and decision making ability) or they were just playing the political winds. I don't believe assigning either of those concerns or the title "flip-flopper" is appropriate for someone who has just changed their mind from a position to another. I think some of us would call the "growth and learning" rather than flip-flopping.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

As a conservative I liked Cain, Bachmann and Gingrich last night. (Admittedly, I would never vote for Newt and Cain could never get elected.)
The winner last night was, "None of the above," and I don't mean Palin.
I keep hoping there is someone out there with a conservative foundation, military experience and a successful career in business.
Am I asking for too much?

USS Enterprise, UT

To "Manny Being Manny | 10:39 a.m." Perry is still against SS. What he wants to do is to phase out SS. That way current and near retirees will get their SS benefits, but future generations will not have to deal with the mess that is SS.

I only hope that the Republicans come up with a good canidate, not just somebody who isn't Obama.

David King
Layton, UT

CougarKeith | 11:03 a.m. Sept. 13, 2011
"I think Ron Paul needs to give it up, and get out of the race"

Why should Ron Paul give it up when he is actually saying something? He just doesn't pay lip service to small government, he actually believes it. Why should he give up when he is polling third nationally and is seeing an increase in support? Why he should give up when he offers a unique foreign policy message? One that troops apparently approve of, as he raises more money from the troops than Barack Obama or more than double all of his Republican competitors COMBINED. Why should he get out of the race when others are sounding like him circa 2008 on everything from the Federal Reserve and sound money to taking troops out of Afghanistan? Whether Ron Paul wins or not he is shifting the debate in his direction as more Americans discover what a principled defense of the Constitution actually looks like.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

danish american:
read the article. Hal names his sources.

Newport Beach, CA

I've run across plenty of hard-core conservatives -- many of whom deride Romney as a "flip-flopper" -- who absolutely idolize Winston Churchill.

They may not be aware that Churchill was an absolutely epic flip-flopper. He started out Tory (Conservative), bolted to the Liberals in the early nineteen aughts (if I remember my years right), and then went back to the Conservatives in, I think, the twenties.

"Anyone can rat," he said. "But it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat."

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

"The fact is Romney nor Perry are "Flip-Floppers", people don't understand what they meant when they said or wrote what they said or wrote"

"I was effectively pro-choice when I ran for office."-Mitt Romney
Those are his words, I don't think I am misunderstanding them. People can change, to be sure, but there are a number of changes with Romney. How he feels about civil unions, how he felt about the bank bailouts, how he feels about Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve.

I don't have a problem with change so much as the timing and manner of his change. It always seems to have more to do with what office he is going for or what direction the political winds are headed.

Cedar City, UT

It looks like the establishment's "man" is being steered toward the nomination as expected. Ron Paul made the most sense from a Constitutional perspective, but who actually pays any attention to THAT anymore? Even the "conservative" crowd in attendance seemed clueless. Herman Cain was also great.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

My prediction is that Mitt will win all the debates and Rick will win the nomination. The result will probably be that President is re-elected with unemployment still at 9%.

Cedar Hills, UT

Perry or Romney - I really don't care. Just need someone to emerge to beat Obama.

Salt Lake City, Ut

The only winner last night was Cheesecake Factory. How can a room full of overweight 40+ yr old citizens be against health care when we are the ones who are going to pay for their cocktail of medication required to treat their diabetes and coronary disease. The inherit racism and inhumanity displayed last night was a terrible indictment on our country. If the GOP decides to cede the election to this mob known as Tea Party, we can look forward to another 4 years of executive incompetence and partisan grandstanding by both parties.

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