flintrock,Louks crashed and burned at Nevada and would have
graduated by now anyway. Also, he was offered another position, but turned it
down. Oh, and the position he ended up playing at Nevada was the same one he
turned down at Utah. Also, if you have some way of predicting future injuries
you better hang up your shingle as a consultant and start making some big bucks.
Every college coach of every sport in the country will be knocking down your
Can we be honest. Wynn is a bust. Whit blew it with Wynn, He got rid of Louks so
we could have Wynn as a freshman. I was talking to a player on offense and he
said Wynn is smart. Knows the plays and reads defenses well etc......the whole
package as far as QB smarts goes. I then asked him about leadership skills and
the grit and guts a great QB must have. Total silence.Wynn has never had what I call the IT factor for on the field leadership and
confidence. He never walks with a bounce in his step. He slumps and plods his
way onto and off the field. He mostly has a deer in the headlights look most of
the time. He is a Junior who is worse than he was as a freshman.What
adds to his woes is an offensive line that can't block and a defensive secondary
that is green and has no experience. They might be fast but they do not know how
to tackle correctly and remember that you must wrap up a player to bring him to
the ground. Its gonna be a long year...........
To the BYU fans chiming in here, don't get too comfy with your own situation.
Your offense isn't looking too good and your QB isn't coming off injury
rehab.My hope is that Jordan gets some good help with his throwing
motion and returns to pre-injury form. If not, we may get a chance to give some
of our newer QBs some good reps in games.In any case, it's good to
have our offense in the hands of an experienced OC who knows how to put together
an offensive scheme and what plays to call in for the situation. You BYU fans
need to be patient and give Doman a chance to figure things out. Of course that
doesn't solve your QB situation. Jake Heaps has never performed well in tough
situations against top notch opponents. Whether it's the OC's fault or his
remains to be seen. Good luck sorting that out.
Go Big Blue!!! |"Too bad Heaps will never admit he isn't 100%. If
Jake was 50% of the qb he claims to be the y's offense would average more than
one TD per game."The Utesies only managed 27 points against
powerhouse Montana High at HOME and declined to 14 points against a decent USC
team, be prepared to see that average keep dwindling the more legit D's Wynnie
and co. face starting with Van Noy, Pendleton and co. at BYU this weekend.
Wynn is just admitting what every BYU and Utah fan has known since fall camp --
Wynn's shoulder isn't 100%. Any fan who watched Wynn throwing sidearm and
wounded ducks against USC could easily see that.The scary thing for
Utah fans is it's unlikely that Wynn will ever be 100% this season and Utah
doesn't have any decent options for replacing Wynn if his shoulder gets worse.
Mike Johnson The PAC 12 already explained the rule. Unless
players/coaches on the sidelines interferred with play on the field, a sideline
infraction is considered a dead ball foul, enforceable only on the next play.
Since the blocked FG try and subsequent USC return for a touchdown was the last
play of the game, the penalty, by rule, is automatically rejected since there is
no next play in which to enforce the penalty.The only way the return
for touchdown wouldn't have counted is if a USC player on the field had been
flagged for an infraction, such as spiking the football after he crossed the
I still think the problem is in his head. When an athlete is coming back from
an injury they often change the motion of the injured part of their body to
avoid the pain associated with it. Jordan likely changed his throwing motion
either while he was playing hurt or after the surgery to avoid the pain of a
normal throw. Now that the shoulder has healed he needs to relearn a more
normal and natural throwing motion. Whoever is telling him not to over think
his throws is wrong. He needs to think about the motion to get it back where it
should be.Good luck Jordan. This could be a long season if you
don't figure this out.
CougarBlue | 2:10 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011 Heber City, UT "When
asked what exactly was done to his shoulder, Wynn said he couldn't go into
details because of medical privacy laws, except to say his labrum was
torn.""This has to be one of the funniest comments ever.
It was his operation, he can talk about it. Medical privacy laws apply to some
else, like his doctor, telling others about what they did to Wynn. Purely
laughable."====Open your mind CougarBlue. The
DN quote was ambiguous; it said that he wouldn't go into details because of
privacy laws. He certainly could, as it was his procedure, correct---but he is
not under any obligation to do such. If he doesn't want to go into details as a
protection to his medical privacy, that's his choice. You've interpreted his
quote your way, and perhaps you are right about his ignorance about privacy
laws, but go ahead and laugh it up. There are many medical laws to which many
educated folks are ignorant, believe me. So either he was protecting
his own private details, or his was unawrre of how much he could discuss.
Laughable? Whatever gets your jollies....
Too bad Heaps will never admit he isn't 100%. If Jake was 50% of the qb he
claims to be the y's offense would average more than one TD per game.
I am sorry, I didn't see an admission that Wynn's shoulder was not 100%. I saw
an explanation that he throws differently (and not quite as deep) after the
injury/surgery than before. And that he throws more from the side. And that he
is working to throw better. Nothing in his statement indicated that his
shoulder is less than 100%. 100% is a medical term that the injury or surgery
has been healed.
I think Coach is right that some explanation of the rule is in order. I am not
arguing for a change in this games score. But, there is another pretty common
scenario--that of a tie game with one team setting up to kick a field goal as
time expires. If that field goal is blocked and run back, what would have been
the impact of the bench emptying onto the field when the play was in progress.
With the ruling, it seems that it would only be beneficial to that team. The
points apparently can't be denied the team running it back even with dozens of
players on the field celebrating. That is a dead ball foul that can't impact
the result of the play. Is that fair? From my perspective, any team in a tied
game, about to have a field goal kicked against them at the end of the game
should prepare their bench to empty onto the field if the kick is blocked. It
apparently can't hurt and it might help.
Maybe ...he'll start pitching it off to christopher...for deep passes
It was obvious in the USC game. His passes had no steam, he was just lobbing
Frankly this is a major failure of the utah coaching staff. They are the ones
that didn't recruit, or at least have any success signing, any decent qb's. The
guy calling for shreve made me laugh as he was abysmal in spring practice. But
to so severely neglect what is probably the most important position in football
is pure incompetence.Of course neglecting the oline wasn't
particularly bright either. LOLNow that chow is at utah that should
change. The last few years the utes have had bad offensive coaches and they
probably took second position in influence to whittingham when it came to
allocating scholarships. Well it has caught up to them this season and probably
for several more.wynn was a marginal talent before he was injured,
now he is awful. But there is no one to blame but the coaches who simply didn't
think they needed any qb's.
This may be a Whit mistake. If Shreve and Hayes are that bad, then Kyle should
have kept Robles in the QB mix. You can't tell me Robles can't throw the ball
better than Wynn currently does. Given Wynn didn't fully disclose
his shoulder injury last year, and it was a detriment to the team, should have
been a wake-up call for Whit. Did Jordan string the coaches along again this
year about the health of his shoulder? Wynn needs to be more honest about his
health because it seems to be in impacting 99 other guys on the team.
If your QB cannot throw deep...(wounded ducks don't count).The
crossing routes begin to close down.Bubble screens/screens get
blown-up.Play action exposes your frail QB to further possible
injury as the defense realizing the passing game is ineffective, thereby zeros
in on a running QB that is an injury waiting to happen. You are
left with a run game, facing 8 in the box.So, you hope your kicker
can help you manage a field position game.You hope your defense can
keep you in the game maybe even score, "pic-6" etc..Can
the Utah defense hold the Cougars scoreless?At this point, that
option appears to be the UTES only hope.
The Utesies domination of the PAC-12 hang on the very fragile thread of Jordan
Wynn's shoulder. Hmmm not looking too promising for the new PAC-12 powerhouse
Utes to beat BYU, ASU, Stanford, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, the Packers on
their way to BCS glory.
UtahUte16. losing by 9 is not almost a win.
"When asked what exactly was done to his shoulder, Wynn said he couldn't go
into details because of medical privacy laws, except to say his labrum was
torn."This has to be one of the funniest comments ever. It was
his operation, he can talk about it. Medical privacy laws apply to some else,
like his doctor, telling others about what they did to Wynn. Purely laughable.
if he has had to change his throwing motion then his shoulder is not 100% or
even 80%. Seems to me his motion should not have changed and if it has then
something is wrong. As a college pitcher I had rotator cuff surgery and after
the surgery I couldn't throw the same - or as hard anymore. My career was
essentially over. The point is a successful surgery should NOT cause a change in
StGtoSLC -"predicting/hoping a player gets injured almost makes
me ashamed to have you as a fellow fan."I'm not going to fault
you for your comment, I don't feel good predicting Wynn will get re-injured
either...but I think anyone expecting him to make it through this season healthy
is living in la-la land.Don't get me wrong, I hope he miraculously
makes it through the season and only gets stronger as it goes...but my head
tells me it won't happen.
Hey Fasenko- you might think about making a career change. A football analyst
@ UBOUNDbwahahahahahahaTyler Shreve can't hit the broad
side of a barn!
I wish Wynn the best and hope he gets better sometime. But I am sorry Ute fan,
no bowl for you this year, or next, or the one after that, maybe not ever again.
Make yourself a bowl of red jello and be happy with that.
MR it's HIPAA, not HIPPA. Maybe you could learn a little something about it too.
And motorbike, predicting/hoping a player gets injured almost makes me ashamed
to have you as a fellow fan.
I just don't understand it. The best QB on the team is sitting on the bench. Yes
I know Shreve is a true freshman and doesn't have any college experience, but
neither did Wynn when he got the start. At 6'4" and 225 lbs. with a rocket
arm, why not take a chance? He also has a weapon that Wynn does not have. He can
run, and isn't afraid to. Jordan Wynn is a good QB, but right now is damaged
goods. Maybe with some more rest, he could come back, but right now, he is
ineffective and a liability. Hays is pretty good , but doesn't know the offense
like Shreve does. It is time for the coaching staff to wake up and face reaity.
Lets get a QB in there that can put some points on the board and is a legitamate
I LOVE the fun/fierce rivalry of the Blue and Red. Our home has split hopes
for this year's VICTORY . Keep it TINATIOUS... Keep it TOUGH... Drop the
Ugly, nasty, vile nonsence.... It IS a GAME... albeit THE GAME!!
Chris BSo how is it that the Utes are 1-1 yet one of the top 2 teams
in their division? ASU and USC are both 2-0. That just doesn't equate There that pass the monitor guidelines?
This is an odd time to release this information, Jordan.
Since the BYU/Utah game always has something strange happen...here's my
prediction for a Sunday sports page headline: "BYU gets
lost in a suprise Hays of red"To Cougar fans' delight, Van Noy
crushes Wynn mid-second quarter and Wynn re-injures his shoulder. Jon Hays
enters the game and goes 3 and out - Coug fans and players begin their post game
celebrating at half-time with BYU leading 17-6.Hays then comes out
in the second half as calm, confident and poised as Brett Ratliff and proceeds
to lead the Utes on several sustained drives.The Utes pull off an
amazing comeback and score the memorable 27-23 victory when Blechen intercepts a
Heaps pass in the last minute of the game.Go Utes!
Wynn performance was a 100% improvement over Montana St. He is getting his
confidence back. He still had some bad throws, like every QB. He had some nice
throws down field as well.I would like to remind everyone that Brian
Johnson was very frustrating to watch. He would mess around the whole game and
then win in the end.Wynn has one big advantage over Heaps; He has
great receivers that can catch poorly thrown balls.Utah wins in
Wynn is a liability, he has all the mental ability he needs but the inability to
throw the football makes it tough to play qb. He throws too low, batted balls
killed at least 4 or 5 drives against USC. Are the Utes so desperate that they
don't have a backup qb who can at least throw a football?If we could
combine Wynn's mental abilities with Heaps physical abilities we'd have a pretty
We probably need him about 50% to beat byu Saturday.Considering
their offense averages 1 touchdown a game, we shouldnt need too many points.LOL
Was he saying he's not 100% mentally or physically? I think it is more in his
mind than physically, otherwise he wouldn't be out there taking hits on that
shoulder.Also, will someone please give the kid a razor.
Jordan Wynn will not make it through the entire BYU/Utah (calling it)BYU defense will be all over him, he won't last.
It's interesting how before the season, he said that his shoulder was as good as
ever. After the Montana State game (a win), everything was fine. BUT... after
a loss, oh, NOW it isn't 100%. Kinda what happened last year after he lost
those games for us. "Uh... blame it on my shoulder." You're not
fooling us Ute fans, Jordan.
His injury is so obvious to everyone. He had no zip on the ball, but was pretty
accurate with his throws. Heaps on the other hand has all the zip but no
accuracy. This week's game will decided by a few big plays because neither
offense should be able to move the ball easily. If BYU can finally convert in
the redzone and limit mental mistakes I like their chances.byu 21
I concur with MR. Whoever advised Mr. Wynn to give that answer needs to learn a
lesson about public relations. We hear the truth, and we grimace and empathize.
We get stonewalled and we start thinking otherwise.
I think that Utah fans are just frustrated by the "cover up" of
Jordan's shoulder injury... Not to attack Jordan because it is his business to
disclose whether or not he is injured, but coach whit looks bad here IMO. He has
bet the season on a gimpy armed QB... Jay Hays is an insufficient backup plan.
Medical privacy laws? Maybe someone ought to inform Jordan about what HIPPA is
all about ... You can disclose whatever you want Jordan about yourself and not
break any laws. Your doctor? Not so much. Now maybe your coaches don't want you
disclosing anything, but to act like you can't talk about it because of
"the law" sounds silly.
Please people be respectful of Jordan on this comment board. So many people
take cheap shots at him when they don't even know him. Would you really say
some of these things to his face? I get sick of people making personal attacks
on college football players(yes even Heaps by my fellow Ute fans). They really
are just kids playing a GAME. They have worked hard their whole life to get
where they are. They are first and foremost STUDENT athletes. Most athletes do
not end up going pro. That being said, I think Wynn is all about
his confidence. He has the potential to be an extremely good quarterback when
he has confidence (ie Iowa State, Cal). He didn't play amazing at USC, but he
almost walked away with a win. When he plays to win, he can be an extremely
effective QB. But when he plays to not mistakes is when he struggles. The
biggest test of this season (likely) is over with. He can now focus on taking
one game at a time and winning as many games as possible. This Ute
fan is behind you Jordan. Go Utes!
It's interesting that Whit and Wynn chose to finally admit what every BYU and
Utah fan has known since August, that Jordan's shoulder isn't 100%.