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Utah Utes football notebook: Jordan Wynn admits he isn't at 100 percent

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 15, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    flintrock,

    Louks crashed and burned at Nevada and would have graduated by now anyway. Also, he was offered another position, but turned it down. Oh, and the position he ended up playing at Nevada was the same one he turned down at Utah. Also, if you have some way of predicting future injuries you better hang up your shingle as a consultant and start making some big bucks. Every college coach of every sport in the country will be knocking down your door.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Can we be honest. Wynn is a bust. Whit blew it with Wynn, He got rid of Louks so we could have Wynn as a freshman. I was talking to a player on offense and he said Wynn is smart. Knows the plays and reads defenses well etc......the whole package as far as QB smarts goes. I then asked him about leadership skills and the grit and guts a great QB must have. Total silence.
    Wynn has never had what I call the IT factor for on the field leadership and confidence. He never walks with a bounce in his step. He slumps and plods his way onto and off the field. He mostly has a deer in the headlights look most of the time. He is a Junior who is worse than he was as a freshman.

    What adds to his woes is an offensive line that can't block and a defensive secondary that is green and has no experience. They might be fast but they do not know how to tackle correctly and remember that you must wrap up a player to bring him to the ground. Its gonna be a long year...........

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    To the BYU fans chiming in here, don't get too comfy with your own situation. Your offense isn't looking too good and your QB isn't coming off injury rehab.

    My hope is that Jordan gets some good help with his throwing motion and returns to pre-injury form. If not, we may get a chance to give some of our newer QBs some good reps in games.

    In any case, it's good to have our offense in the hands of an experienced OC who knows how to put together an offensive scheme and what plays to call in for the situation. You BYU fans need to be patient and give Doman a chance to figure things out. Of course that doesn't solve your QB situation. Jake Heaps has never performed well in tough situations against top notch opponents. Whether it's the OC's fault or his remains to be seen. Good luck sorting that out.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Go Big Blue!!! |
    "Too bad Heaps will never admit he isn't 100%. If Jake was 50% of the qb he claims to be the y's offense would average more than one TD per game."

    The Utesies only managed 27 points against powerhouse Montana High at HOME and declined to 14 points against a decent USC team, be prepared to see that average keep dwindling the more legit D's Wynnie and co. face starting with Van Noy, Pendleton and co. at BYU this weekend.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Wynn is just admitting what every BYU and Utah fan has known since fall camp -- Wynn's shoulder isn't 100%. Any fan who watched Wynn throwing sidearm and wounded ducks against USC could easily see that.

    The scary thing for Utah fans is it's unlikely that Wynn will ever be 100% this season and Utah doesn't have any decent options for replacing Wynn if his shoulder gets worse.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Mike Johnson

    The PAC 12 already explained the rule. Unless players/coaches on the sidelines interferred with play on the field, a sideline infraction is considered a dead ball foul, enforceable only on the next play. Since the blocked FG try and subsequent USC return for a touchdown was the last play of the game, the penalty, by rule, is automatically rejected since there is no next play in which to enforce the penalty.

    The only way the return for touchdown wouldn't have counted is if a USC player on the field had been flagged for an infraction, such as spiking the football after he crossed the goal line.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I still think the problem is in his head. When an athlete is coming back from an injury they often change the motion of the injured part of their body to avoid the pain associated with it. Jordan likely changed his throwing motion either while he was playing hurt or after the surgery to avoid the pain of a normal throw. Now that the shoulder has healed he needs to relearn a more normal and natural throwing motion. Whoever is telling him not to over think his throws is wrong. He needs to think about the motion to get it back where it should be.

    Good luck Jordan. This could be a long season if you don't figure this out.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    CougarBlue | 2:10 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011
    Heber City, UT
    "When asked what exactly was done to his shoulder, Wynn said he couldn't go into details because of medical privacy laws, except to say his labrum was torn."

    "This has to be one of the funniest comments ever. It was his operation, he can talk about it. Medical privacy laws apply to some else, like his doctor, telling others about what they did to Wynn. Purely laughable."

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    Open your mind CougarBlue.

    The DN quote was ambiguous; it said that he wouldn't go into details because of privacy laws. He certainly could, as it was his procedure, correct---but he is not under any obligation to do such. If he doesn't want to go into details as a protection to his medical privacy, that's his choice. You've interpreted his quote your way, and perhaps you are right about his ignorance about privacy laws, but go ahead and laugh it up. There are many medical laws to which many educated folks are ignorant, believe me.

    So either he was protecting his own private details, or his was unawrre of how much he could discuss. Laughable? Whatever gets your jollies....

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:31 p.m.

    Too bad Heaps will never admit he isn't 100%. If Jake was 50% of the qb he claims to be the y's offense would average more than one TD per game.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    I am sorry, I didn't see an admission that Wynn's shoulder was not 100%. I saw an explanation that he throws differently (and not quite as deep) after the injury/surgery than before. And that he throws more from the side. And that he is working to throw better. Nothing in his statement indicated that his shoulder is less than 100%. 100% is a medical term that the injury or surgery has been healed.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    I think Coach is right that some explanation of the rule is in order. I am not arguing for a change in this games score. But, there is another pretty common scenario--that of a tie game with one team setting up to kick a field goal as time expires. If that field goal is blocked and run back, what would have been the impact of the bench emptying onto the field when the play was in progress. With the ruling, it seems that it would only be beneficial to that team. The points apparently can't be denied the team running it back even with dozens of players on the field celebrating. That is a dead ball foul that can't impact the result of the play. Is that fair? From my perspective, any team in a tied game, about to have a field goal kicked against them at the end of the game should prepare their bench to empty onto the field if the kick is blocked. It apparently can't hurt and it might help.

  • utefan56 st george, utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Maybe ...he'll start pitching it off to christopher...for deep passes

  • Roscoe West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    It was obvious in the USC game. His passes had no steam, he was just lobbing them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    Frankly this is a major failure of the utah coaching staff. They are the ones that didn't recruit, or at least have any success signing, any decent qb's. The guy calling for shreve made me laugh as he was abysmal in spring practice. But to so severely neglect what is probably the most important position in football is pure incompetence.

    Of course neglecting the oline wasn't particularly bright either. LOL

    Now that chow is at utah that should change. The last few years the utes have had bad offensive coaches and they probably took second position in influence to whittingham when it came to allocating scholarships. Well it has caught up to them this season and probably for several more.

    wynn was a marginal talent before he was injured, now he is awful. But there is no one to blame but the coaches who simply didn't think they needed any qb's.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    This may be a Whit mistake. If Shreve and Hayes are that bad, then Kyle should have kept Robles in the QB mix. You can't tell me Robles can't throw the ball better than Wynn currently does.

    Given Wynn didn't fully disclose his shoulder injury last year, and it was a detriment to the team, should have been a wake-up call for Whit. Did Jordan string the coaches along again this year about the health of his shoulder? Wynn needs to be more honest about his health because it seems to be in impacting 99 other guys on the team.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    If your QB cannot throw deep...(wounded ducks don't count).

    The crossing routes begin to close down.

    Bubble screens/screens get blown-up.

    Play action exposes your frail QB to further possible injury as the defense realizing the passing game is ineffective, thereby zeros in on a running QB that is an injury waiting to happen.

    You are left with a run game, facing 8 in the box.

    So, you hope your kicker can help you manage a field position game.

    You hope your defense can keep you in the game maybe even score, "pic-6" etc..

    Can the Utah defense hold the Cougars scoreless?

    At this point, that option appears to be the UTES only hope.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    The Utesies domination of the PAC-12 hang on the very fragile thread of Jordan Wynn's shoulder. Hmmm not looking too promising for the new PAC-12 powerhouse Utes to beat BYU, ASU, Stanford, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, the Packers on their way to BCS glory.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    UtahUte16. losing by 9 is not almost a win.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    "When asked what exactly was done to his shoulder, Wynn said he couldn't go into details because of medical privacy laws, except to say his labrum was torn."

    This has to be one of the funniest comments ever. It was his operation, he can talk about it. Medical privacy laws apply to some else, like his doctor, telling others about what they did to Wynn. Purely laughable.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    if he has had to change his throwing motion then his shoulder is not 100% or even 80%. Seems to me his motion should not have changed and if it has then something is wrong. As a college pitcher I had rotator cuff surgery and after the surgery I couldn't throw the same - or as hard anymore. My career was essentially over. The point is a successful surgery should NOT cause a change in throwing motion.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    StGtoSLC -

    "predicting/hoping a player gets injured almost makes me ashamed to have you as a fellow fan."

    I'm not going to fault you for your comment, I don't feel good predicting Wynn will get re-injured either...but I think anyone expecting him to make it through this season healthy is living in la-la land.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope he miraculously makes it through the season and only gets stronger as it goes...but my head tells me it won't happen.

  • UBOUND SAN BERNARDINO, CA
    Sept. 13, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Hey Fasenko- you might think about making a career change. A football analyst you're not1

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    @ UBOUND

    bwahahahahahaha

    Tyler Shreve can't hit the broad side of a barn!

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    I wish Wynn the best and hope he gets better sometime. But I am sorry Ute fan, no bowl for you this year, or next, or the one after that, maybe not ever again. Make yourself a bowl of red jello and be happy with that.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    MR it's HIPAA, not HIPPA. Maybe you could learn a little something about it too. And motorbike, predicting/hoping a player gets injured almost makes me ashamed to have you as a fellow fan.

  • UBOUND SAN BERNARDINO, CA
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    I just don't understand it. The best QB on the team is sitting on the bench. Yes I know Shreve is a true freshman and doesn't have any college experience, but neither did Wynn when he got the start. At 6'4" and 225 lbs. with a rocket arm, why not take a chance? He also has a weapon that Wynn does not have. He can run, and isn't afraid to. Jordan Wynn is a good QB, but right now is damaged goods. Maybe with some more rest, he could come back, but right now, he is ineffective and a liability. Hays is pretty good , but doesn't know the offense like Shreve does. It is time for the coaching staff to wake up and face reaity. Lets get a QB in there that can put some points on the board and is a legitamate deep threat!

  • DeAnna Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    I LOVE the fun/fierce rivalry of the Blue and Red. Our home has split hopes for this year's VICTORY . Keep it TINATIOUS... Keep it TOUGH... Drop the Ugly, nasty, vile nonsence....
    It IS a GAME... albeit THE GAME!!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    Chris B

    So how is it that the Utes are 1-1 yet one of the top 2 teams in their division? ASU and USC are both 2-0. That just doesn't equate
    There that pass the monitor guidelines?

  • SouthernUtahUte Hurricane, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    This is an odd time to release this information, Jordan.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Since the BYU/Utah game always has something strange happen...here's my prediction for a Sunday sports page headline:

    "BYU gets lost in a suprise Hays of red"

    To Cougar fans' delight, Van Noy crushes Wynn mid-second quarter and Wynn re-injures his shoulder. Jon Hays enters the game and goes 3 and out - Coug fans and players begin their post game celebrating at half-time with BYU leading 17-6.

    Hays then comes out in the second half as calm, confident and poised as Brett Ratliff and proceeds to lead the Utes on several sustained drives.

    The Utes pull off an amazing comeback and score the memorable 27-23 victory when Blechen intercepts a Heaps pass in the last minute of the game.

    Go Utes!

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Wynn performance was a 100% improvement over Montana St. He is getting his confidence back. He still had some bad throws, like every QB. He had some nice throws down field as well.

    I would like to remind everyone that Brian Johnson was very frustrating to watch. He would mess around the whole game and then win in the end.

    Wynn has one big advantage over Heaps; He has great receivers that can catch poorly thrown balls.

    Utah wins in Provo.

    Go Utes!

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Wynn is a liability, he has all the mental ability he needs but the inability to throw the football makes it tough to play qb. He throws too low, batted balls killed at least 4 or 5 drives against USC. Are the Utes so desperate that they don't have a backup qb who can at least throw a football?
    If we could combine Wynn's mental abilities with Heaps physical abilities we'd have a pretty decent qb.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    We probably need him about 50% to beat byu Saturday.

    Considering their offense averages 1 touchdown a game, we shouldnt need too many points.

    LOL

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Was he saying he's not 100% mentally or physically? I think it is more in his mind than physically, otherwise he wouldn't be out there taking hits on that shoulder.

    Also, will someone please give the kid a razor.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Jordan Wynn will not make it through the entire BYU/Utah (calling it)

    BYU defense will be all over him, he won't last.

  • utah_man St. George, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    It's interesting how before the season, he said that his shoulder was as good as ever. After the Montana State game (a win), everything was fine. BUT... after a loss, oh, NOW it isn't 100%. Kinda what happened last year after he lost those games for us. "Uh... blame it on my shoulder." You're not fooling us Ute fans, Jordan.

  • bebot SHAWNEE MISSION, KS
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    His injury is so obvious to everyone. He had no zip on the ball, but was pretty accurate with his throws. Heaps on the other hand has all the zip but no accuracy. This week's game will decided by a few big plays because neither offense should be able to move the ball easily. If BYU can finally convert in the redzone and limit mental mistakes I like their chances.

    byu 21 utah 17

  • BobDog Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    I concur with MR. Whoever advised Mr. Wynn to give that answer needs to learn a lesson about public relations. We hear the truth, and we grimace and empathize. We get stonewalled and we start thinking otherwise.

  • WoahTurbo Murray, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    I think that Utah fans are just frustrated by the "cover up" of Jordan's shoulder injury... Not to attack Jordan because it is his business to disclose whether or not he is injured, but coach whit looks bad here IMO. He has bet the season on a gimpy armed QB... Jay Hays is an insufficient backup plan.

  • MR Draper, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 5:51 a.m.

    Medical privacy laws? Maybe someone ought to inform Jordan about what HIPPA is all about ... You can disclose whatever you want Jordan about yourself and not break any laws. Your doctor? Not so much. Now maybe your coaches don't want you disclosing anything, but to act like you can't talk about it because of "the law" sounds silly.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    Please people be respectful of Jordan on this comment board. So many people take cheap shots at him when they don't even know him. Would you really say some of these things to his face? I get sick of people making personal attacks on college football players(yes even Heaps by my fellow Ute fans). They really are just kids playing a GAME. They have worked hard their whole life to get where they are. They are first and foremost STUDENT athletes. Most athletes do not end up going pro.

    That being said, I think Wynn is all about his confidence. He has the potential to be an extremely good quarterback when he has confidence (ie Iowa State, Cal). He didn't play amazing at USC, but he almost walked away with a win. When he plays to win, he can be an extremely effective QB. But when he plays to not mistakes is when he struggles. The biggest test of this season (likely) is over with. He can now focus on taking one game at a time and winning as many games as possible.

    This Ute fan is behind you Jordan. Go Utes!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    It's interesting that Whit and Wynn chose to finally admit what every BYU and Utah fan has known since August, that Jordan's shoulder isn't 100%.