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Utah Utes football: Despite loss, U. still controls its destiny

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  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    @ Utehaterforlife | 4:53 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011
    Syracuse, UT

    Soccermom - You have no idea how the BCS works because your team has never qualified. A team with a 11-1 record and, according to your partner (ESPN), has the 98th out of 120 Division 1 teams most difficult record, once your team starts playing the WAC part of the schedule, the BCS ranking will go down not up. Sorry.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    Uteology,

    I think your on to something. Perhaps the Utes could offer BYU one scholarship plus a player to be named later in return for James Lark. Lark could be the best QB is the state and nobody knows it. Heaps and Wynn have been 2nd and 3rd fiddle to the Freshman QB in Logan.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 12, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Yep that's it, Chris B has predicted it. Everyone else, quit playing football and let the Ute's take over. They are so superior there is no reason at all for any other football team to exist in the state of utah. The superconferences have already been determined just not announced. Yeah and elephants fly. You better pray that Utah wins. Of course I know exactly what you are going to say "Utah lost to an inferior team and since the game has no meaning on whether or not we win the conference, it does not matter. We can lose at least 4 more games and still win our division because USC can't play for the championship. "....mark it down, he will come up with some dorky reason as to why it did not matter. But of course, ask the team how they feel if that happens.

  • Uteology. SLC, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    Unfortunately, it's hard to have any kind of a destiny with on and off Wynn. How about if James Lark were to transfer up here?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Utehater,

    A one loss non-AQ team has never made it to a BCS bowl, and it's not going to happen this year because BYU's strength of schedule is weak (Idaho St., Idaho, New Mexico St & San Jose State etc.). Just ask sammy, he'll confirm it, he was the expert on cupcake schedules last year.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    "BYU does still have a shot at a BCS game 11-1 is still possible"

    You mean "possible" as in "a one-loss non-AQ has never ever gotten a bid in the 13 year history of the BCS"? We won't even mention that a bid to BYU comes after any bids to non-AQ schools in conferences (i.e. Boise State).

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    BYU does still have a shot at a BCS game 11-1 is still possible, and BYU did lose on saturday to Texas and BYU still received votes to be put in the top 25, Utah had zero, and for a no game, you guys still lost.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Both the U and the Y are still looking for a quarterback and some consistent offense. Until a good qb emerges both teams will struggle. Speaking of qb's, I'll bet the Aggies are glad to have Riley Nelson in Provo - their freshman qb is a gamer.

  • Flame of the West Southern, Cali
    Sept. 12, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Replying to a previous, oft-overly posting poster - as a Y fan, looking at the way both teams (U,Y) played the real Utah team right now is Utah State - they can score above 20 pts and look what they almost did to SEC Auburn...

    Beating the U this Sat. is important but the cougs had better find a way to score points or Utah State 2.0 That old '3 and out' playbook needs to be retired!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Wardu,

    better hurry to the mailbox, your issue of "Today's Troll" just came in the mail.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    "Despite loss, U. still controls its destiny"

    Didn't we hear the same song-and-dance last March when the Utes finished 6th in the conference but insisted that they still "controlled their own destiny" because they could win the conference tourney and qualify for the big dance?

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    I see the Utes losing at least 6 more games. That is 7 losses total. The only bowl the u will see this year is the potato chip bowl at the new years eve party.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    Uteology

    "For get Vegas, I'll bet you..

    $1,000 on BYU into the Armed Forces Bowl
    $50 on Utah into the Rose Bowl"

    lol, typical Utah fan whimpiness:

    More confident in predicting BYU failure than in predicting Utah success?

    Isn't Utah supposed to be a lock to win the Pathetic 12 South and back into the CCG where the Utes would be a coin-flip away from playing in the Rose Bowl?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    BCS Hubris

    Assuming that losing to USC is meaningless.

    Check the standings; Utah is currently dead last in the PAC 12 South and the Utes are far from a lock to run the table against Arizona, ASU, UCLA and Colorado. A team that lost to every bottom tier team in the MWC during the Kyle era isn't immune to losing to bottom tier PAC 12 teams.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Payara: It is nice being in a BCS conference. Is that you final answer for losing to BYU?

    We lost to BYU? I didn't realize we've played yet this season. And if you are referring to last year (which I don't think you are) Utah won that.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    @BlueHusky | 11:55 a.m. Sept. 12, 2011

    For get Vegas, I'll bet you..

    $1,000 on BYU into the Armed Forces Bowl
    $50 on Utah into the Rose Bowl

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    I like the hubris of the armchair Utah experts on their BCS chances. 30% indeed. A 30% probability is too high. All things being equal, you'd have 1/12 or 8.33%. If we agree that Oregon, Stanford, and USC are superior, and lets say that Stanford is favored and Oregon and USC can tie for 2nd, then realistically, the rest would sort out from there. Having a conference loss already diminishes Utah's chances significantly. I'd guess more like 1/15 or so or about 7%.

    While mathematically possible for Utah to achieve a BCS game, how many of you Utah fans are marching down to Vegas to bet $1000 on Utah in the Rose Bowl?

    Just what I thought. None. I'd put $50 on Utah in the Vegas Bowl, though.

    As for this game, this is a game of mediocre offense (Utah) and bad offense (BYU) vs two good defenses.

    Another tossup. Utah 12 BYU 6
    or
    BYU 13 Utah 12

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Oh Chrissy B, so deluded.
    Its funny how after a loss, with the Offense looking just as pathetic as predicted. Somehow they are still in the running to blow out the southern division and play in the National championship. Wow and you Utesies talk about unicorns and rainbows and how blue the kool aid is in Provo. Based on this article and comments on this article. theres some unicorns and rainbows a plenty up on the hill. Stanford will win their division not Oregon. Luck is 20 x the QB Thomas is and a 100 x the QB Wynnie is.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    From some of the comments on this board, it sounds like Utah wanted to loose this game as it really doesn't affect anything. I guess this is their mulligan. Wow!

  • UBOUND SAN BERNARDINO, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    All of the southern division was mentioned except ASU. Look out. That team is loaded. I love the Ute's, but if you look at the talent at ASU, I think everybody would agree that ASU is the favorite to win the south. But keep this in mind---they have to come to "RES" to play us. Anything could happen! GO UTE'S!!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    "what if Utah lost the Pac 12 title game and ended the season 6 - 7?"

    In that case, Utah will sit back and collect their share of BCS money... kinda like how BYU used to do when the money earners (Utah and TCU) would bring home the bacon to the rest of the MWC.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    From now until the 17th I will cheer for the Utes to defeat the Y. After that I hope the Y finishes 10-2 and proves to the football world they are the best team ever to play in the Fort Worth Helicopter Bowl. As for the future I hope we play this "rivalry game" every third or fourth year.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    @Chris B
    ...The future of football in the state of Utah, is Utah...

    "thanks jd" for stating the obvious

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    Watching multiple games this week, I think the PAC-12 is down this year. Arizona, Oregon State, Washington, UCLA all struggled with their out of conference games...I was surprised by the Utah vs. USC score, until I watched the game, and saw USC controlled the game completely....I think all those close wins Utah use to win in the MWC, will not happen in the PAC-12.

    It will be interesting to see what happens when Texas A&M leaves the Big 12....Utah will welcome Texas and Oklahoma!!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    0% chance(like always) byu plays in BCS game
    30% chance Utah plays in Rose Bowl

    The future of football in the state of Utah, is Utah.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    @payara Aren't you a little early to assume a win against Utah seems like the Y has some issues of their own to address before this game.

    It should be a good game. Both teams can make a good case for a win. Thats why we play the game and it's called a rivaly, I can't wait to see who makes the best adjustments/improvements to get the win. Good luck to both teams.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 6:32 a.m.

    It is nice being in a BCS conference. Is that you final answer for losing to BYU?

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    USC is very average and so is Utah. The secondary gave it up all day. Barkley would roll out and wait for his receivers to make their first cut and then it was like shooting ducks on a pond. Utah is way to green and inexperienced to do much this year. Wynn should be playing for a Junior College somewhere. I still think 6-6 and if we are lucky 7-5

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    Mr. James presents a pretty cynical view of college football. By his definition, if you do not participate in a BCS bowl game or win a conference championship, then you have not won anything. By that standard, there are probably 200+ college football teams who might as well pack it up and go home right now. Such a standard discounts rivalry games, teams such as USU striving to just become bowl eligible, the efforts of individual athletes to enjoy the game and become better at playing it, etc... I fear that his attitude, which is probably just a poor jab at his rivals, represents much of what is poor in college athletics today. There is little of striving to become better than one's self or to simply enjoy a game. Rather, we are so set on crowning a champion that even a team like the our undefeated Utes of a few years ago feel like their season was unsuccessful as the number one spot eluded them despite a terrific season. When an individual's or team's success is limited to lifting the ultimate trophy, it seems to me that something has gone astray.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    What I meant to say on my 11:30 post, is what if Utah lost the Pac 12 title game and ended the season 6 - 7?

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Sept. 11, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    Chris B: Aren't you a little early with that type of prediction? There are still a lot of games left to play. Let me give you a thought: What happens if Utah wins their division, but then loses to the other division leader, and ends the season with a record of 5-7? No Rose Bowl, no bowl at all! That would be an interesting scenario, but something to think about.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    We are clearly one of the top two teams in the division with USC the other. Not playing Stanford or Oregon means we will play Oregon for a trip to the rose bowl. Its good to be in a bcs conference and to have earned our way in with bcs wins!

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Sept. 11, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    That's the great part about being in a BCS conference. Whereas before we had to be undefeated to have any shot at a BCS bowl, now, all we have to do is just win our conference. Given that USC has a post-season ban, our shot at that is just as good as it was before last night. That's not to say that it's going to happen this year, but, I love the fact that we still have a shot!

    To BYU, my condolences. Your hopes of winning anything ended last night with a single loss. There's no more conference championship to shoot for, and, you are now out of the running for a BCS bowl. Hopefully things will pick up for you during this and next year, but, that's reality at this point. Independence is a tough and lonely road.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    Sept. 11, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    interesting. gotta love the "no-game" effect that is somehow being thrust upon us despite the loss to USC. so was this a real Pac-12 game or not? Utes lose but somehow it doesn't affect their future? interesting. i guess that is the prize of getting into the Pac-12.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    I had this game down as a loss right from the start, but I think the team was competitive and proved they belong in this conference. Bring on the Cougars!!I'm really lookin forward to the game this Saturday.