All I got to say is if you are at the game this saturday make it known what you
like and dislike about the offense. I will be cheering everytime the ball is
passed vertically even if it's incomplete and will be booing when it is passed
straight towards the sideline. Enough people do this and it will have an effect
on doman and hopefully we will see more vertical passing in the games to come.
Get on track!! What a great idea!!! Who's going to 1) be the Offensive
Co-ordinator, and 2) PLAY QUARTERBACK??
Prediction: Utah 27 BYU 20
I wonder if when Detmer came to Provo last year, if BYU made him an offer, but
he and BYU couldn't work it out? Just asking. His reason for being here seemed
to be down-played by the media - at least the media wasn't very aggresive about
learning of his reason for being here. Anyone know anything about that. It
would just be nice to know. One article painted a pretty good picture of how
smart and knowledgeable he was, and how he would draw plays on the chalkboard
and seemed to be able to teach others and could see things that were not obvious
to others. Someone please respond.
As I indicated in a previous comment on another article, Bronco needs to hire
Detmer, either as a co-offensive coordinator or as assistant OC to work with
& under Doman. He would be an excellent X's & O's man, either in the
press box or on the field. BYU needs to make this happen now. I'm sure that TX
high school can promote their asst coach to head coach. Please, Bronco, do it
now! BYU's season and future seasons depend on it.
Bronco said that, "he would like to see more consistency" from the
offense.The offense scored in the last 3 regular-season games:16 vs. Utah14 vs. Ole Miss16 vs. Texas.How much more
consistent could an offense become against real teams? What we need is more
At first Heaps was annoited the greatest QB ever. We all had highe
expectations.Now, I am sick of hearing him say he was late on this throw,
late on that read, etc. I think he is over rated.He is slower than a
snail also. He does have an arm, but I look at other athletic QBs
that can move also and we need one of those. We would be a lot more dangerous.
Robert Turbin: 4 td's = 24 pts.BYU offense 24 pts. BYU defense 7 pts.How about them apples?
Why does it appear that BYU's defense plays with great effort and enthusiasm,
but its offense plays in an opposite manner? The offense has to reward the
defense for great effort, and so far this season, that is not happening. BYU
plays offense like it is hoping to score, while its defense plays mean and
aggressive. BYU's offense needs to play tough and mean to knock opposing
defenses down the field. Also, I would have rather have had the ex-Boise St.
offensive coordinator (now at Texas) calling the plays than Doman. The ex-Boise
St. coach showed great wisdom in his calls and guts in his trick plays. BYU's
offense does not have the confidence to call trick plays and successfully
achieve results like Boise St. has shown through the years. In other words,
BYU's offense is too conservative to be a consistent winner. What is the deal
with the reverse draw call on 3rd and long late in the 4th Qt?
Remember the days when it was nothing for a BYU offense to put up over 40 points
a game? Alas, those days are gone. So is the excitement.
I'm a Ute but apparently I have more faith in the Cougar football program than
most of the Y fans here. I have no doubt the Cougars are going to wake up and
put a shellacking on someone, I just hope it's not this Saturday. My prediction
(mark it down as the trolls say) is one team will win big.
Ya know, I wouldn't have ever dreamed about saying this, that is, up until I saw
the Cougs go waaaaay conservative in the 2nd half against Texas, but if we don't
ratchet up our intensity a notch, Utah might just walk away with a
"W".I'd sure like to know why we went so stinking
conservative in the 2nd half. We had them by the throat and we gave it to them.
Pathetic.OK, so if we get our fangs out, here's my prediction:BYU - 24Utah - 17GO COUGARS!
The real time for the offense to have started performing was Sept. 3 in
Mississippi, not Sept. 17 against Utah! But since the offense has been a
no-show so far, they'd better get it right against Utah. I agree with most of
the posted comments. Doman has shown very little so far and Heaps has 2 TD's
and 3 interceptions in two games--terrible. The horizontal passing scheme is
not working and the running game is almost non-existent. With 10 returning
offensive starters we should be seeing much better than this.
Utah Fan:\With a BYU win Saturday will you all please finally focus on the
Pac 12 and go away? Ute fan (not all) you talk so big and yet what has the
mighty utes done?Please! Saturday just can't get here soon enough..
Cougar Faithful:The "Balm of Gilead" is on the horizon.San Jose State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Idaho State as well as the new
member of the football forlorn, Oregon State, are all "red meat"
dishes just "marinating" and waiting for the "sputtering"
Cougar offense as well as the "salivating" Cougar defense.Utah, UCF, Utah State, TCU and Hawaii could all end up being "bumps"
in the road.At worst, the Cougars will end up 6 and 6.Combine the work ethic, of the players and coaches along with a little luck
(Read: execution) the Cougars will finish the season better than .500.
This game is going to be a fun game no matter what! I think if BYU puts the ball
in the end zone on the first or second drive of the game, they will score more.
There was just no confidence in the second half against texas. If they get a
long drive and punch it into the end zone early in the game, watch BYU score 30+
points. If they don't score a touchdown until later, it will be another 15
points or less game. Lets hope for a good first or second drive!!
I think it was a mistake to do the running plays before half. The field goal
wouldn't have been as long if Doman would have tried to score instead of being
content with a 13 pt lead on the home team. ARgh! we should ahve won this game!~
Pugman | 1:07 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011 Amen Amen and Amen. But you might as
well wish for Wynnie to cut his girly bob and shave his twelve year old mustache
We may want to mention to heaps that cody hoffman is still on the team.
I would like to see BYU adjust its offense to better fit its current personnel.
BYU no longer has a dominant rusher like Unga. However, it appeared that
DiLuigi was able to get around the corners on both Mississippi and Texas,
despite great speed on defense. Why not try some sweeps and screen passes to
DiLuigi to see if he can take advantage of his speed and illusiveness to get
around the corners, rather than running him up the middle, which isn't his
strength.Riley Nelson can both pass and run. BYU could put in some
trick plays for Nelson out of the slot, such as a sweep option play, a sweep
pass play, or a reverse pass play to be used in the right circumstance--rather
than just letting him rot on the bench.BYU has a tall quarterback
and some fast, tall receivers. Why not try more crossing routes over the
middle, using both wide receivers and tight ends. Crossing routes should result
in consistent gains of 10-25 yards, and could also be used to open up longer
passing routes.Finally, I'd like to see that speedy freshmen player
(Johnson) used on offense, not just on returns.
You BYU fans were so busy getting caught up in the hype this summer that you
ignored the elephant in the room. Your new OC and his untested plays and
scheme. Yes, we Utes have a new OC too, but the difference is ours has many
more years experience. We also have most of the rest of our offensive coaching
staff from before. You've got mostly new offensive coaches, including one who
has never coached before. Be patient and give your coaches some time to make
adjustments and figure out what really works in game situations. I think you're
coaches are talented, but they lack experience.This does mean that 2
to 3 year path to a national title Bronco talked about will have to be
lengthened by at least a year or two.
We may also want to mention to Heaps that Cody Hoffman is still on the team.
Well, this season could go either way - good or bad. Games that could go either
way ... Utah, Utah State, TCU. BYU could easily win all three or lose all three.
I doubt the winner or loser will be separated by much.
@ byufootballrocks, "good team....we have that." Don't think so!
"great coach...we have that." Once again, don't think so. As for
the story.....how can you possibly get something back on track, if it never was
on track to begin with? The byu offense is below average at best. GO UTES, GO
AGGIES, GO WILDCATS!
I'm looking forward to the day Chris B shuts his mouth, and grows up a little
bit....sorry, grows up a lot and actually comes on a football forum with some
what of the smallest of clues on what he's talking about.
Heaps needs to run the ball. Otherwise, the offense will be too easy to defend.
Teams that are in the top ten in December almost without fail have QB's that
have posted rushing numbers. The days of the pocket-passer are
Bluehockey,How is Heaps a freshman in reps? Does that make Jordan
Wynn a sophmore in reps then since he didnt play until halftime of game 8 his
freshman year, then missed 3 games last year. Heaps didn't get all the reps last
fall, but started the last 9 games of the season, got all the spring and fall
reps this year with the # 1's. He is a not a freshman as far as reps. That makes
no sense at all.
Let's face it, Doman called a great first half, then he got nervous and didn't
want to have Jake make any mistakes to cost BYU the game so he called the plays
"not to lose the game". The result was this: We became predictably
safe in play calling, and Texas took advantage of that! Brandon got away from
what worked in the first half trying to protect the lead and depend on the
defense, it cost us the game, not the offense, but the play calling. He is a
rookie, and made rookie offensive coordinator mistakes, and didn't call a BYU
game, he called a high school type game. I am sure he learned and will apply it
well. You have to trust your QB, allow him to grow and make plays, if you don't
give him the opportunity to grow, he can't grow. I stand by Bronco's hires and I
support him and the team, Brandon just needs to learn, and LEARN FAST!!! Call
the things that MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, not the things that are safe and won't lose
the game. The result, we didn't score anymore points. The other mistake, not
trying the long FG at half.
I agree with those who say , open up the offense Doman, quit playing
conservative, give the players a chance to succeed, throw the ball down field,
time after time after time, until you get it right. We don't have running backs
that can carry the team, pass to set up the run, not the other way around. Pass
80% of the time. That is what Edwards teams did and it works great. We have big
athletic recievers and we need to take advantage of them. If we are to win any
games against the top teir teams we have to fix the offense, if we don't it will
be a struggle all year.
Sadly, I too am pessimistic about this offense. It does look very much like the
Crowton offenses with Crowton walking around with a huge bunch of plays in his
hand, desperately re-running old plays.And forget about that silly
Riley Nelson thing.And treat Heaps like the 19-year-old kid that he
is and make him earn his job. Give Lark some reps in practice.We
need the fire on offense that Bronco instilled on the defense. Where is the
confidence? BYU is 1-1 both on the road against storied programs. Nothing to
hang heads about, but it is time to get that offense off the ground. We're a
passing team. Clearly we're not a running team. Let Heaps do it. If he can't let
Lark try it. But stop the run-first dink and dunk game.Lets find out
if Heaps is real.By the way - Sark hung 40 on Hawaii, with a new QB
(not Montana's kid). Apparently, Sark did not anoint Montana. Maybe we should
not have anointed Heaps.
This isn't about having a "good team." BYU's got that.It
isn't about having a great head coach - we've got that.I think
there's some psychology on the team that goes something like this:In
his heart of hearts, Coach Mendenhall is a true defensive coach; he'd prefer a
man-up conservative slugfest - a defensive struggle - that goes down to the wire
any day of the week.The players and coaches of course know this, and
it has to have it's effect.However on OFFENSE (pardon the caps) this
is a risky way to operate. And it's not the traditional approach at BYU or
"Pass-U." BYU is about putting lots of points on the board and blowing
the other team out. Which we could have done in both of our opening games had we
actually believed in ourselves and followed this approach. Coach
Wooden used to say "generally speaking the team that makes the most
mistakes will win" and of course he's right, because they are playing with
great intensity and desire to win, not to lose. An example was
running the clock out before halftime because of a prior interception, instead
of going for a field goal.
But I would still take Heaps over Wynnie any day of eternity.
Where is the tightend offense to take the pressure off of the O-line. This is
just crazy. And basically there is no running game. Do these people know how
the knock people down? This team is doomed if it wasn't for the cupcake
schedule. BCS bowl? Get real. Just enjoy mediocre football. Utah will cream
BYU if the first two games are indicative of what we are going to be treated to
in future games. Quit making excuses and start blocking some people on offense.
BYU' offense is nonexistant. Quarterbacking continues to be problematic.
What's going on in Cougarville? And what's up with a cupcake schedule? How can
that get the players hyped? Idaho? Idaho State? This is appalling.
Anyone have Riley Nelson's number?
In my humble opinion, the problem lies in the offensive line... those great
players who were going to make BYU a strong running/passing team. So far, all
the defense needs to do is put pressure on the line and (1)this team can't run
the ball. (2)This team doesn't have time to throw the ball down field..when they
try, Heaps ends up on his back and the ball ends up either on the turf or in the
hands of the opponent. Have no idea what needs to be done but the coaches
should. Fix the O-line and things would be better.
Does anybody have Robert Anae's phone number?
108th in Total Offense? This is completely unacceptable. Coach Mendenhall and
Coach Doman, fix this NOW.
I've said enough on other posts about Doman's play calling, but I must say, I
had a student like Heaps once. All kinds of ability, proven past, great kid, but
refused to step up and take responsibility when things got tougher. Kid barely
passed my class. Man up Heaps!
How about this for another similarity between loss at Utah and loss to Texas:
Both times coaches screwed up by not going for two points after touchdown. Coaching 101 - a 15 point lead and a 16 point lead are virtually the
SAME THING. There are statistical charts that show percentages, and when to go
for 2, both these games are testaments to the accuracy of those charts. How can
this be lost on the Cougar Staff????
Wow, is "Unlucky" referring to his/her own or BYU"s prospects?
Fix a few things and BYU is good to go. We need to be smart, look more at how
others do it and play with more intensity.
To get back on track you would have had to be on track to begin with. Instead
of 25-30 yard punts on 4th down why don't we just send all the receivers deep on
3rd down and take our chances? At least Heaps can throw it farther than we can
punt it. And it'll spreads the defense.
@ estreetshufffle; Problem is, most of us don't want to watch winning teams
every 3rd of 4th year. We should have experienced, developed players on the
field, winning games, every year...while at the same time patiently bringing
along their replacements.And, while I admire Bronco's public loyalty
to his young friend, Brandon, I'm pretty sure young Doman knows that if he
doesn't perform, and soon, his days as the OC will be short. Bronco showed he
can pull the trigger and take action to turn things around. Doman was simply
outcoached against Texas and, by extension, so was Bronco. I would
rather lose playing all out to win than lose by going conservative to protect a
lead. Some people think it's disrespectful to run up the score on an opponent. I
think the opposite. By running up the score you are acknowledging your
opponent's potential to come back and win the game, thus showing them respect by
build a big enough lead to withstand their potential late surge.
I really do believe that BYU will be a decent team but, I don't think they're
there yet. The defense is pretty good but the offense (especially in the red
zone) is not that special. Utah has a better Defense (especially in the red
zone) and a more consistent offense. Neither team is spectacular on special
teams. I see Utah winning in another squeaker.
First of all...this article is about BYU getting back on track for their game
against the U. Like most of the previous posters on this comment board...total
disappointment in the second half last Saturday. But regarding THIS
Saturday's game: My biggest fear is that it will be BORING. Both BYU and Utah
have failed to impress. I'd say both Heaps and Wynn are about equal. (At least
with what they've shown us so far.) So as a Cougar fan, here's hoping that the
offense can figure things out and the defense can stay tough.Go Cougs!
I agree with those who have stated that BYU needs to go down field. TX was
crowding the line the entire second half because they knew we were not going to
try and stretch the field. It was an incredibly disappointing offensive
performance against what I think is still a weak TX team.
In all reality, these new BYU players are still young and think they are
inviincible but as they mature, they will become better. The BYU QB seems to be
in this mode. The sooner he admits it, the sooner his development will be
realized. And, this will take time; these young guns will peak at the jr and sr
years. So, wait for another year to see great results. Meanwhile, patience is
called for at this time of development. And, support our team to the end. We
as fans need to prove to our teams (all the atheletic teams) that we support
them. It's one thing to sit in the stands and TV and its another to be on the
field with all the weight of expectation. I think General Patton once said that
battles are not won in the office chair.
Eliminate Wide Receivers: CheckEliminate Tight Ends: CheckOnly throw
to the sidelines: CheckOnly run up the middle: CheckLose game:
CheckCome on Coach Doman... install the same vigor and vision and
excitement that you showed when you were a quarterback that threw two 40 yard
passes in a row DOWN FIELD to beat Utah. Get risky. Have fun. Use ALL your
players. Go vertical.Thank you very much.
If Doman doesn't go to the press box, it will only be because he's too prideful.
Doman doesn't know what to do, so he's grabbing onto his Crowton offense for
dear life. Even Crowton knows his offense is only good for a season before the
conference figures it out, that's why he is always moving on. BYU is
a school that is able to hire a proven offensive coordinator. Why didn't they?
Chris B | 11:09 p.m. Sept. 11, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Looking
forward to another 1 and 4 Byu start! Chris B, I mark it down this
time and see which team will get to 1-4 start this season.
"Until this year, BYU and Utah had been members of the same conference
since 1909."Come one Jeff, do a little research. BYU didn't even have a football team until 1922.BYU's biggest
mistakes on offense against Texas were settling for FGs on their first two
scoring drives, wasting an opportunity at the end of the first half, and not
throwing the ball deep on first and second downs in the 2nd half.
Added Heaps: "We have a big game against Utah at our place. I think this is
going to make our team a lot closer and unite us."Translation:
Heaps knows the team is not happy with his lack of performance, inspite of the
public statements by other team members that the team is united. I suggest he
quit speaking as if he speaks for the team as "the leader" and earn
that role on the field by delivering touchdowns. He should be speaking about his
need to perform. He will be great, but he has not even approached expectations
this season. Yes, Ole Miss & Texas are big opponents and the schedule is
tough. I also think as an independent such tough opposition in games 1 & 2
will be the norm due to scheduling needs.
The problem is the over expectations. Fall practices showed that the offense
wasn't good. Watch don't listen. You listen, Heaps is great and Wynn is
horrible. If you watch they are very comparable. BYU will continue to struggle
offensively for the next few weeks until the bad teams come. Ipredicted 8 and 4
or 7 and 5 at the beginning of the year. I will stick to that unless the defense
is only average like the last three quarters against Texas the they will finish
6 and 6. BYU fans the glory days are gone, never to happen again, quit getting
so over hyped by an easy schedule at the end of each year and then think next
year is going to be amazing. BYU will be an 8 win team most years. Every now and
then they will win 10 or 11. Some years 5 or 6.Look deep inside and watch and
you will see that I am right.
BYU is in trouble. Their offensive play calling is very poor. I think it is a
very good question as to why the Cougars hired Doman with no experience, and
that lies at Bronco's feet. The Aggies could be the best team in Utah this year.
Did any of you see where Texas O.C. was? He was up in the press box where Doman
should be. Why can't BYU see this. Poor play calling and all around poor
Great Offense between the Red Zones.Defense is exceptional. Field
Goals aren't going to be enough.
You would never hire someone in business into a key role they had never done
before. We did exactly that with Doman. Were we so unsure we couldn't get
someone from the outside who was a proven OC? How did Texas get their OC from
Boise State? Smart move. Doman has no clue what he is doing. And
when will BYU EVER get up for a big game like Boise State does? Our guys are
just a bunch of gentle giant RM's, too nervous to play outside of their home
stadium. Same ole' Cougars from the last 4 decades. TCU, Boise State, Utah -
have all learned to play at a higher level. Our program has far more money, fan
base, facilities than any of those three, but they play WITH HEART!!!
What I love about BYU football is how the coaching staff thinks it has a
superior way of doing things. Like platooning QBs last season--no team has ever
done it successfully (I'm open to suggestions), but they were going to make it
work. I'm glad the decision was finally taken out of their hands before the
entire season was doomed. Or like the offensive coordinator being on the
sidelines. I don't know of another significant team, college or pro, that
doesn't put the OC in the press box where he can focus on calling plays, not on
the sidelines chest-bumping the defense, worrying about player packages, etc. I
know the Y is special, but sometimes traditional is OK.
The offense needs a "4-yard" running back that can pound out the
yardage.The current group of running backs is dismal at best, unless they are in
pass patterns. Did you see the play against Texas at the goal-line where the BYU
safety came up to stop the running back coming through the hole? The BYU safety
was punished bad and Texas scored. Until the Cougars can come up with an inside
runner, they are too easy to plan for.
Is it too early to start calling for Brandon Domans job. This cat is boring.
He certianly is no Robert Anae, Norm Chow, ect. ect. ect. When we wanted you to
bring back the offence of old we meant the offence of the Lavell Edwards era,
not the offence of Gary Croton. Right now our offence stinks or at least smells
real bad! It just looks stagnent. What about the tight ends? This offence has
no pop. Just because Doman couldn't throw the ball more than 15 yards down the
field doesnt mean that Jake Heaps can't. Pick up the pace Doman. You make the
offence of Robert Anae look like a bunch of speed freaks. Get your act
together. You choked with you play calling against the Longhorns (3rd and 9
draw) and against mississipi. Maybe you need a few more years of seasoning on
the sidelines before you take a coordinators job. So far I, and most other
cougar fans are not impressed.
Seems like the Cougars are not playing, offensively, to win, but not to lose.
Lack of creativity, no emotional leader stepping up to fire up the team. The
offense does not reflect the playing personality of Brandon Doman, who led with
passion and a can-do attitude. I was really disappointed in the 2nd half at
Texas. Past OC Anae doesn't look so bad now. Why all the passes to the left
side? Why doesn't Kariya get even a single carry against Texas? Why 2
interceptions when throwing to right side of the field? Is the offense still
set up for a lefty? Many questions.
Looking forward to another 1 and 4 Byu start!
Two games in and I am not loving the offense. Play action works when a team has
established the run. BYU's offense isn't running on anyone and Utah will be no
different.The old BYU offense would pass until the other team's
defense was worn out, then run the ball.When a team blitz's as much
as Texas, Ole Miss. and certainly Utah, then some quick screens, slants and TE
pop passes are wide open--which they have been the last two games.Memo to Heaps: Just because you throw a pick doesn't give you the right to
pout, looking like a raccoon with big eyes and standing all by yourself. Gather
the troops, talk about what went wrong, what should have gone right and move
forward with confidence.Memo to Doman: Trust your dang players bro.
not your playbook. Think in terms of matchups and not scheme against
scheme--that is prideful and will only get you so far. That said, keep hitting
the film room and best of luck!
What BYU needs to do is to stop talking and score some TDs thats ITer. Jake
Heaps will either be the greatest QB in BYU History or the most overrated QB in
BYU History. You have a lot to prove Jake.
stanfunky:Kind of like how Kalil is still unblocked?
Burton's still unblocked.
The BYU season is already over! Heaps is an overrated player that looks lost all
the time, and Doman has no idea how to counteract opposing team plays. The
defense is the only good thing BYU has.
Prescription #1 - Jettison the "dink and dump." Bury it, forever. May
we never see it again. Prescription #2 - Throw vertically - like
the BYU we know.Prescription #3 - Try going the entire first half
throwing the ball on every first down.Prescription #4 - Use the pass
to open up the run, not the other way around; that's BYU football. Prescription #5 - When you get a decent lead, don't sit on it. Keep throwing
the ball and scoring until the other team is blown out of the stadium. Don't
play "protect a lead" until the last 2 minutes.Prescription #6 - Pick up the offensive tempo. Do the two minute drill early
in the game to keep the defense off-balance, and to set the stage for the
pass-attack-mode.I have said my peace.
Results sure look a lot like last year's schedule, so far.
If BYU can turn it around enough to beat the Utes, will still have some interest
in this season. If they drop this second to last remaining game that has any
meaning (TCU only other game of any consequence), will give up interest for this
year (could be a good thing ... ask my wife!). Also, will not be fooled by BYU
hype and media hype again. Go cougars ... beat those self-inflated PAC-12 Utes!
Coach Doman was outcoached Saturday. call it rookie mistakes. more to come for
sure but Doman is a quick learner based upon his history.Positive thinking still
intact. BYU needs to hire a QB coach that is dedicated to Heaps and the group
of backups though. it's too hard to be OC and QB coach. I would find out who is
available and bring them in now. We as fans are still paying the price of the
dual QB rotation last year. Heaps is a half year behind in development. ESPN was
thoroughly impressed with Heaps but what they dont realize is that Heaps is
really a freshman in experience. yes he's a sophomore but not in reps. It would
be great for a breakout game against Utah. I would like to see more of Austin
Holt and Richard Wilson. Stretching the field is in order as well. Cahoon needs
to teach the wideouts to be more hungry for the ball and be nasty out there when
going up for the ball. Go Cougs!!
Let's hope the third time is the charm, especially against Utah.