Naval Vet There's absolutely no chance of a zipper alignment with 16
teams. If you guaranteed that rivals in opposite divisions would play every
year, that would only leave one cross-over game per year, unless you ditch OOC
I never said that Okla State was the front runner, top dog or deciding
factor...how ever what T Boone says is what OK State will do...he has that much
influence...aka money. I only mentioned him to illustrate that the
unhappiness in the Big XII minus three runs deep and wide. So you agree with
what I wrote. The critical factor he is equality of monies...and Texas's greed
makes that difficult...this disparity of dollars fuels the discontent. I will
believe the Big XII minus three is salvageable when I read about Texas agreeing
to sharing it's spoils. That is not very likely...and neither is
the likelihood the Big XII minus 3 will survive despite all the praying and
fasting in Provo.
I have to laugh at all the frantic and emotional cougar fans who think Utah
would be afraid to play Texas and/or Oklahoma every year. WE were the
winningest team vs. BCS schools amid all the non-AQs. TCU was #2. And for the
record, they weren't afraid of the Longhorns or Sooners either.Personally, I'm on the fence about growing to 16 teams. On the one hand, I'd
LOVE to play Texas and/or Oklahoma every year. Just as I'd LOVE to play EVERY
team currently in the Pac-12 South annually. But, on the other hand, a Pac-12
Utah would play in better host cities. Seriously...Norman, Stillwater, and
Lubbock are holes in the ground, and we'd most likely end up in the Eastern
division of the Pac-16.What would sell me on a Pac-16 conference
would be the possibility of a zipper alignment. If Utah would be placed in a
division with one school each from Washington, Oregon, Northern California,
Southern California, Arizona, Texas, and Oklahoma, plus guarantee our rivalry
game each year vs. Colorado, I'd be all in!
Larry Scott also said that expansion "was inevitable" and that the
PAC-12 would follow suit if other conferences expanded first but he wouldn't
lead the way. My guess is that Texas is not going to the PAC-12, but that
Oklahoma is. Texas wants to be a big fish in a small pond. Oklahoma wants to
get away from Texas. Will there be a BIG 12 lead by Texas and smaller schools?
That is joke going around right now that the BIG 12 will become Texas and the
That is good news to hear from the commish. The new Pac12 is just right the way
it is now.
Holy Cow Sammyg. Naval Vet says something positive and without TDS rancor and
you start throwing rocks. We all know that a certain school that must not be
named would love to be in the same situation as its brother up north, i.e.
belonging to a BSC conference. Its said so, it just wants to make sure that the
conference is stable. This message from Scott (along with Baylor's
threat) helps to put a lid on all the expansion talk for now and gives the Big
XII a change to think things through rationally so that stability remains. THAT
is (or should be) great news for the Y (oops I mentioned it by name) since
almost every scenario I've been reading mentions that school as the only
remaining viable option to get the conference back to 10 once aTm leaves.
@JustGordon"Scott does not have to seek...there are already a
couple or more folks knocking on his door. How sweet it is to be a UTE!"The LAST thing you want if you're a Ute fan is for Oklahoma and Texas to
join the PAC.PAC 16 WestWashingtonWash StOregonOre StStanfordCalUCLAUSCPAC 16 EastTexasTx TechOklahomaOkl StArizonaAriz StUtahColoradoWith two perennial Top 10 teams -- Texas and
Oklahoma -- in their division, even in a very good year, the Utes would be lucky
to finish higher than 3rd in their division, which means, no hope for ever
playing in a Rose Bowl or any other BCS bowl, and absolutely no chance of
playing in a BCS championship game.AND...there's no
guarantee that bringing four more teams into the PAC will generate anymore
revenue per team.PAC 16 with Texas and Oklahoma equal much stronger
conference, and severely reduced opportunities for success for Utah.
JustGordonT Boone Pickens is irrelevant. Oklahoma State is a lapdog
that will do whatever Oklahoma decides.With Larry Scott backing off
on his PAC 16 dream (at the insistent of the PAC 12 presidents/chancellors),
Oklahoma doesn't have any viable options for leaving the Big 12.The
Big 12 is already discussing equal revenue sharing for Tier One television
rights (ESPN/ABC), which would smooth a lot of ruffled feathers and make it much
more likely for Oklahoma to recommit to staying in the Big 12.BYU
won't accept an invitation to the Big 12 unless there's a binding commitment by
Oklahoma and Texas to remain in the conference for at least the next 3 to 5
Being content and not actively seeking new members to the conference is one
thing...various Oklahoma sources are reporting that Oklahoma is putting out
feelers to various conferences....T Boone Pickens is on record saying that the
biggest problem in the current Big Xii minus three is that not all conference
members share equally in TV deals...ie Longhorn TV...and that if Oklahoma left
they would leave too. Scott does not have to seek...there are
already a couple or more folks knocking on his door. How sweet it is to be a
Naval Vet"If the Pac-12 doesn't expand, then there will be no
invitations to any Oklahoma OR Texas schools. This is good news for cougar
fans."It's even better news for the Utes. Adding TX and OK to
the Pac 10.2 would just seal the bottom dweller status for the Utes. Right now
the have a slim chance for the Vegas Bowl.
Sorry Wayne, that ain't the reason.
If the Pac-12 doesn't expand, then there will be no invitations to any Oklahoma
OR Texas schools. This is good news for cougar fans. With nowhere else to go,
Oklahoma stays in the Big XII. With Oklahoma in the Big XII, Baylor drops its
baseless suit against Texas A&M and the SEC. With the dropped suit, A&M
moves east. The Big XII's TV package will require it to add another team, so
the Y finally gets an invitation to a relevant conference.How long
that conference lasts is anyone's guess, but for the 2012 season, the cougars
may get to back into the Aggies vacated spot.
Sounds good. Wait and see.
I'm against expansion too, especially if it includes texas, they already single
handedly destroyed one conference by believing and acting as tho they are
superior to every other school and should get a bigger piece just because they
are texas. The big 12 is disintegrating because they catered to
texas at the expense of every other school and Scott would be a fool to do the
He probably fears that with 16, they would feel pressure to bring in the