Bingo, to this letter!
re: Irony Guy | 4:36 p.m. Sept. 11, 2011 The problem in Texas is not
a federal matter. It is not enumerated in the Constitution. Amendment 10 gives
clear direction on what should be done. It should be left to the States and to
the People.Those who demand that the Federal Government do something
clearly violate the Constitution.
joeblow - basicsShould we spend more than we have?How
did people survive before government reliance became the norm?And
lastly, does your family not love you enough to care for you in your hour of
@ Joeblow Good points you make however, wouldn't you agree with the
following?#1: If I send my kids to a private school, should you be
forced pay for it? I would argue that our kids will get a better eduction at a
private school and therefore who can rightfully deny them getting the best
education possible? Futher, I would argue that given a tax credit for private
schools, most parents would opt out of public schools. I know I would!#2: If I am lazy, irresponsible or abuse my health, (drugs alcohol, etc) why
should you be forced to pay for my healthcare? Is that really compasionate or is
it enabling?#3: It used to be that families cared for their parents
who couldn't take care of themselves. Now we have a bankrupt and corrupt ponzi
scheme called S.S. and Medicare which denys health care everyday to some people.
Which system is really more compassionate?
Mountainman 6:00 p.m.So I suppose by your logic we should stop
giving tax money to the military and let them be "self-sufficient."
After all, they've been the biggest government program in the history of the
world.At least be consistent...
Well, lets take it down to the basics1) should only parents with
children be forced to pay for schools?2) should we turn people away
from hospitals who cannot pay?3) what do we do with the old people
who have not saved enough money to live on?These are 3 SPECIFIC
questions that should be able to be answered with SPECIFIC answers for those who
believe in complete "self reliance".
If the government forces me to give to the "less fortunate", is that
really charity? Or is it just another form of dictatorship? Shouldn't charity be
voluntary and not forced?
@ Salwart Unfortunately, you missed the entire point. But some people find self
reliance a difficult concept to grasp. Easier to believe the world owes you a
I'll never understand your thinking, Mike Richards. In your world, the people of
TX would be putting out empty coffee cans in the grocery stores and hope for
some spare change out of the goodness of our individual hearts. The idea of
government is to "promote the general welfare," i.e., to combine as a
civilized people to help each other deal with risk. This can be done in a
sensible, foresighted fashion--exactly as our nation's founders envisioned.
Surely they didn't expect that when one part of the country was in trouble that
the national gov't would sit smugly on its couch insisting "we have no
Mike,Maybe, before we send money, we should ask Michelle Bachmann if
those fires were part of Gods wrath on Texas for some unnamed transgression.She seems to have insight into those kind of matters.
Mike Richards | 3:16 p.m. Sept. 11, 2011 South Jordan, Utah Hypocrites come in many forms. In times of crisis, it's easy to
see where people would ask for help. The greater fault lies with
those of us who could help, even a little, and instead sit back and mock their
cries for help.Gov. Perry asked the wrong people for help. Now that
we know of the desperate circumstances of the good people of Texas, what are WE
going to do about it? ============ Funny you
should mention that.Utah recieves MORE $$$ for the Federal
Government, than it ever pays into it.Utah Tea Partiers are every
bit as must the hypocrites and the Texas Tea Partiers.BTW - what are
YOU doing about it.All that talking, where the walking?
Hypocrites come in many forms. Gov. Perry needs to grow up. Those who think
that Washington should wipe our noses need to grow up.We have a
Constitution that limits what Washington CAN do. We must never ask for anything
not delegated to the federal government, nor do they have the right to offer
anything not delegated to them.In times of crisis, it's easy to see
where people would ask for help. What's even more telling is that WE know of
their crisis and sit smugly on our couches finding fault with them for being
desperate. The greater fault lies with those of us who could help, even a
little, and instead sit back and mock their cries for help.Gov.
Perry asked the wrong people for help. Now that we know of the desperate
circumstances of the good people of Texas, what are WE going to do about it?
National security is one thing that conservatives think is a legitimate gov't
expense and natural disasters are part of that. It's not hypocritical to ask for
federal help... though it does make Gov. Perry look like an idiot for slashing
the firefighting budget in his state and the state should've been contributing
"Did I get the logic of this argument right? "Yes, I
believe that you pretty much got it right. And, as I said, I don't really blame
Perry or Christie because they have people in need and the state cant help.But, help me square that with "I want to make the federal
government as inconsequential in your lives as possible"When
Perry cuts budgets and the state is unprepared to a crisis, I can assure you
that they are happy for the Fed govt to step in.So, yes, he is a
To Mountanman - Translation: The Republican Party has the mindset of a six year
old. Awesome, thank you for the breakdown.
What David believes...The government has an unending amount of taxpayer money to
redistribute where it sees fit (vote purchasing), that we are helpless without
the federal government in our lives.
Love the rants against the tea party. It is great to bash grass roots people
who are trying to get involved. Nice to see all the Progressive support here.
And, please no one can ever say Mr. Bush was a conservative. He was a big
government liberal, which is what the Bush family has always been. His father
was the most liberal representative of the republican party and this is the
reason he was selected by Mr. Reagan, a political pragmatist, to bind the party
together so as to be united and win the Presidency.
Conservatives love to TALK about fiscal austerity, and responsibility, but when
they get into power, (like the Bush years) they can spend money as well as any
Democrat. They also show a perverse love of debt by not only increasing
spending, but cutting taxes at the same time. There seems to a disconnect
stemming from a case of "entitlement mentality", the idea that you
deserve public services without adequately paying for them. In Mr
Perry's case, he is in the paradoxical situation of hating government, while at
the same time drawing most of his paychecks from the Airforce or from his work
as a politician.
Let me get this straight. If you are against the tax laws that require the
people of your state to send so much money to the federal government and speak
out against that but to no avail; then you turn around and demand that as long
as we are sending all this money to Washington our state needs to receive its
fair share back, then you are a hypocrite?Did I get the logic of
this argument right?
Americanwithnohyphen - You missed the whole point of the letter. No one expects
governor Perry to single handedly fight all the fires. The letter writer was
simply delineating the hypocrisy of Governor Perry's philosophy that the federal
government is always bad....until he needs them. What would be better is if we
all stopped the hysteric rhetoric and acknowledged that we live in a big country
and that while we love our freedoms and want to be protected from an overzealous
government hand, there are, in fact, times when the government needs to lend a
hand. It is the process whereby we can all participate in giving the helping
hand to those in need by spending our tax dollars on that need. Yes, it would
be best of we could just personally help the needy but sometimes we can't do
that - logistics, cost etc. - so the government organizes the help that we can't
organize and we get the privilege of helping, even though we haven't personally
picked up a shovel or carried a sand bag.That's all the letter
writer is suggesting - that Governor Perry acknowledge that sometimes that is
the appropriate action and the government CAN help.
I do not fault Gov Perry for seeking assistance. I do fault him for his
hypocrisy. And Chris Cristie was certainly quick to demand Federal
Govt action.Yes, we need to curb government spending.But
be sure to understand, spending cuts have consequences. There is usually a
price to pay.
Ok, here;s the difference! I recently asked my friend's little girl what she
wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day.
Both of her parents,liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her,
"If you were President, what would be the first thing you would do?"
She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless
people." Herparents beamed with pride."Wow...what a worthy
goal." I told her. "But you don't have to wait until you're President
to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and
sweep my driveway, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery
store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use
toward food and a new house." She thought that over for a few
seconds, then she looked me straight in theeye and asked, "Why
doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, andyou can just pay
him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."
Great letter.Another suggestion I'd make, is that the Tea Party
people are against all government programs, handouts, and other entitlements...
Except for the ones they want. Then they're perfectly fine, necessary, and
legally constitutional.Just ask Bachmann, who doesn't need SS since
she's independently wealthy. Yet, when it comes to farm subsidies,
which greatly benefit her, they're completely necessary and constitutional. Hilarious the double standard by their ilk.
So much for pretentious t-party rhetoric. Now Perry the hater of the American
government whines that that same government isn't helping his burning state to
his satisfaction . . . only a year after he himself cut Texas' emergency
services budget by 75%! This is called hypocrisy squared. If TX did secede from
the Union, Perry would be first in line for some foreign aid from the good ol'