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Published: Friday, Sept. 9 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salsa Libre
Provo, UT

Ronald Reagan would be ejected from the Republican field as a candidate for president today. He would be branded as a RINO and driven from the Party for apostasy.

Maybe he would be a Blue Dog Democrat since the New Right doesn't provide a place for someone who displays a pragmatic approach to politics!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Legal or not, lets not forget Iran Contra.
Where were the republicans then, he raised the debt ceiling 18 times?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. McKensie seem you turned the tale. Would it not be more consistent with the story for Mr. Boehner like Mr. Tip O'Neal to go along with his house majority and the President Mr. Obama to get behind it with his minority constituents in the House to support, then encourage the Senate with his party in majority to pass a tax overhaul. It obvious where the problem is and it is not with Mr. Boehner. Rather with a dogmatic President, that refuses and has no interest in anything but a symbolic tax increase on the rich. As if somehow the tax rates of on them during the Clinton years it the magical right number. Sorry, but your focus on Mr. Boehner as the one that needs to buck his party is off based and misleading. It Mr. Obama who is President like Ronald Reagan not Mr. Boehner.
Re: HVH this true, but in total the debt was less than 60% of GDP, it is now at 90% and unless the economy grows more rapidly will be at over 100% by the end of Mr. Obama's term.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. were always able to get some Democratic support for their proposals. Republicans will unanimously try to kill anything Obama proposes, even if it is something they have supported in the past.

George W. Bush was quite unpopular among Democrats (you noticed?), but he got some opposition support for every one of his signature proposals, the tax cuts, the wars, Medicare part D, and No Child Left Behind all got some Democratic votes. What the Republicans have done to Obama is completely unprecedented in our history.

Esquire
Springville, UT

If Reagan got things done working with a Congress controlled by the other party it was because that party served America. The Republicans in Congress today do not serve America. They serve themselves and the wealthy benefactors who keep them in office. Today's Republicans have no respect for the country and its institutions. Their patriotism is not to the United States of America, but to something else. The attitude they exhibited at the President's speech last night was appalling, showing they are not at all interested in the problems faced by the citizens of this country. I am deeply troubled and appalled.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

As the BIG Tent Republican - Reagan would have been handed his hat, been run out on a rail, or hanged at high noon for treason by the Republicans of today.

Why, I remember the "Regan Democrats" voting for him.

The Tea Party purist today outcast ANYONE - including fellow Republicans - who dares even look at a fellow America who is Democrat -- let alone sit down and talk.

Republicans today and their
All-or-Nothing,
My-way-or-the-Highway,
Never talk, negotiate, or find compromise with "the enemy" to find solutions with a majority concensus to fix problems [which is what Reagan did so skillfully.]

To most of us then - Reagan was the Great Communicator.

Today - he'd be nothing more tha a RINO, and spit upon like Bob Bennett.

We didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left us.

mwd
LAYTON, UT

Hey LDS Liberal, the GOP never left you. You said, "We didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left us." Really If you are truly liberal that you are not being honest, you were never a part of the GOP. Reagan is admired because of everything that he was able to accomplish while in office. Unlike our current president, he actually stood up for, and was proud to be an America.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

mwd said: Reagan is admired because of everything that he was able to accomplish while in office.

Reagan is admired because of the false memories you and other conservatives have associated with the icon of the economic disaster that has nearly removed the middle class from America, and please stop with the I'm more, he's more patriotic than you baloney.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

To mwd | 9:38 a.m. Sept. 9, 2011
LAYTON, UT
Hey LDS Liberal, the GOP never left you. You said, "We didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left us." Really If you are truly liberal that you are not being honest, you were never a part of the GOP. Reagan is admired because of everything that he was able to accomplish while in office. Unlike our current president, he actually stood up for, and was proud to be an America.

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You miss one point. What is considered mainstream liberal today was considered conservative when Reagan was in office. As others have said, Reagan would be called RINO today, and run out of the Republican Party. A lot of us mainstream conservatives lost our political home when the far right fringe-dwellers hijacked the Republican Party in the 1990s, and dragged it out to the far right fringes. The GOP left us, not the other way around.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

mwd | 9:38 a.m. Sept. 9, 2011
LAYTON, UT
Hey LDS Liberal, the GOP never left you. You said, "We didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left us." Really If you are truly liberal that you are not being honest, you were never a part of the GOP.

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Wrong!

The "Fact" is -- back then, I was a card carrying Republican.
I even voted for Reagan...Twice.

I served under him as Commander in Chief.
I saw wars, and blood shed for our country.

I stand true, it's called integrity.
I never moved at all.

The Elephant in the closet,
The Fact of the Matter is,
The Big TENT 30 years ago, has shrunk down to the size of a ONE-man Tea-Bag-sized pup-tent.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

I just LOVE when someone uses this "hogwash" quote. "Reagan showed how to get things done despite two parties." Then they ramble on with (whatever the "talking points" are at the time). Here's a story to remember when you hear legislators start jabbering this fall about overhauling anything. Then ask yourself, if Reagan was so good, and, knew how to get things done despite two parties, then why did he not take the lead of another great Republican?. How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States. Was it not Eisenhower that deported 13 million illegal immigrants in two years?. President Dwight Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol. So what's so hard of overhauling the tax code, and and eliminate all loopholes, make the rich pay their fair share, and give the middle class a break?.

None of my comments here are found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words, just the truth.

And my truthful views.

VST
Bountiful, UT

If Ronald Reagan were alive and a candidate today, he would still carry 49 states in the election as he did in 1984. Regardless of how people felt about his political positions, the majority of Americans were very supportive of him because of who he was - what you saw is what you got - the majority really liked him because of what he was able to accomplish with bipartisan support.

Contrary to what is happening in today's political environment, he got things done and didn't worry about who got credit.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 8:37 a.m." so what you are saying is that a Progressive (Liberal) Republican party would not have considered Reagan. That is what the "Big Tent" was all about, getting Progressives into the Republican party. Now look at what has happened. They became too much like the Democrats, so the Democrats ran further left, and are now approaching Socialists and Communists.

The interesting thing is that Reagan didn't do things that were that much different than JFK. Now JFK, if he ran today on his platform from the 1960's, he would have never made it through the Democrat Primaries because he would have been considered too conservative.

What you, and so many other liberals fail to recognize is the fact that both Democrats and Republicans are nearly the same. If it wasn't for the Tea Party, the only difference between the two would be thier names.

Luckily the Tea Party has injected common sense back into the debate. It is people like you who's plans will destroy this nation that are the reason why somebody has to put the brakes on government and say "NO" and to not compormise on bad plans.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Salsa Libre | 2:54 a.m. Sept. 9, 2011

Ronald Reagan won the cold war, got Muammar Gaddafi's attention with an air attack on Libya, and fired the striking PATCO workers and decertified their union. He didn't have to warn anybody not to call his bluff because unlike Obama he didn't bluff.

He'd get the GOP nomination for President today in a heartbeat. Meantime Obama just lost another percentage point in the polls the day after his speech to Congress.

Carson
Provo, UT

By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
But the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen..........Can't get any simpler than that.

JustGordon
Cottonwood Heights, UT

My guess is that Teddy Roosevelt will no longer be considered a Republican either...despite the fact he is enshrined on Mt Rushmore between Jefferson and Lincoln...he was after all a Progressive Republican!

I am sure Fox News would be questioning if he was a socialist! I had to laugh when Fox even called Warren Buffett a socialist! Buffett a socialist?!! One of the 10 richest men in the world, a socialist...I am sure Berkshire Hathaway is just a communistic ponzi scheme.

Obviously Fox News has not the slightest idea of what a socialist is or was or could be...it is simply a code word for those who view this entertainment product thinking it is news and don't have the grey matter to know otherwise.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Rifleman 3:27 p.m.

It'll take a couple of days for judgment on Obama's speech to show up in his poll numbers. Those numbers didn't change the day after bin Laden was killed, either.

Oh, and there's this:

"...where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."
-Ronald Reagan, Labor Day 1980

"The full consequences of a default or even the serious prospect of default by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate...The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result."
-Reagan, letter to Senator Howard Baker, November 16, 1983

Good luck finding a Republican who'd talk like that today...

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Re: RedShirt | 2:32 p.m. Sept. 9, 2011 USS Enterprise, UT

The Tea Party would like to disenfranchise anyone who does not agree with them from the political dialog. They speak of an "inspirational" Ronald Reagan, in full agreement with their agenda, but who didn't really exist. It's suggested that you read "My Father at 100" by Ron Reagan, his son, who knew his father better than anyone except his mother, Nancy.

Nancy Reagan kept her husband from being influenced excessively by the wingnuts who have come to dominate the Republican Party. The excessively hard line taken by white, affluent, socially-conservative, ethnically-intollerant Tea Party faithful does not fit with the pragmatic, compromise-receptive 40th President of the United States.

By referring to anyone who doesn't share the Tea Party agenda as unAmerican and socialist/communist is to libel over 90% of Americans. But it is certain you would gratefully accept their help is you were in trouble.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Mad Hatter | 6:25 p.m." actually, to label people liberal is the lie. According to the 2010 Gallup Poll 42% of the US considers themselves Conservative, 35% Moderate, and 20% liberal.

The fact that you are bringing race as an issue with the Tea Party only shows that you are have no idea what you are talking about. The Tea Party has members of every race. In fact the Blacks that have joined the Tea Party are called names by members of their own community. The racists are those that are trying to use race against the Tea Party.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

Rifleman:

"...he'd (Ronald Reagan) get the GOP nomination for President today, in a heart beat...".

When the national debate, on abortion, was beginning, the California State "Legislature" sent the Therapeutic Abortion Bill, to Ronald Reagan's desk.

Ronald Reagan signed the bill.

About two million abortions would be performed as a result, of the bill.

Any person, who ran for office today, with that decision on his/her resume, would NEVER stand a chance of surviving a TEA-PARTY or GOP primary let alone obtain any money to fund a campaign from the party faithful.

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