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Experts: Mitt Romney wins Round 1 over Rick Perry


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  • Hulen Clark Robeline, LA
    Sept. 11, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    I hate to hear our politicans attaching each other. I wish they would say what they stand far, how they plan to lead our country etc. and that's it. No more netative comments about each other. It get old. Thank you.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 11, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    @ welcomethemall | 3:38 p.m. Sept. 9, 2011

    Or how about the ever-elusive "reality" key?...

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Sept. 10, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Far too many dreamers out there. If Huntsman declared as an independent that would hand Obama four more years. Wait..almost nobody is listening to Jon Jr. anyway. Honestly Jon Jr. does not begin to mount any support....Barely registering in single digits. Maybe in eight years he has a shot. Simply no power base going in and he knows that already. Mitt is smart enough to know that slow and steady wins the race. Just continue to clearly and succinctly give solutions and gradually more and more folks will realize he is the most likely to to turf BO.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Sept. 10, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    A vote for any GOP candidate other than Ron Paul, is a vote for Obama. It would be as if you are sticking a clone of him in the whitehouse.

  • andretti Bountiful, Utah
    Sept. 9, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    Slick Rick for sheriff and Mitt for President.

  • welcomethemall Nampa, ID
    Sept. 9, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    At last I understand why DN has a four-posts per article limit, hereforthwith known as the "Pagan" Rule.

    Pagan's mastery of the Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V keys leaves me awestruck -- humbled in the presence of greatness.

    Now only if there were a Relevance key.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    I agree that the ultr-rich may be the reuination of our country...the idea that they will invest more in creating jobs may be just wrong, because they are only interested in hoarding their money, not in reinvesting in America.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Sept. 9, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    By the way, I know there was an opt out clause in Perry's mandate. My point is the connection between Merck's lobbyist and Perry's decision to issue the executive order.

    In the 2010 governor's race here in Texas, Perry was asked specifically if he considered the executive order (from 2007) as a "mistake". He replied, "No sir," then gave the same line he gave at Wednesday's debate: "If I err, I want to err on the side of life"

    Yet as he entered the Presidential race, one of his first orders of business was to declare, while in Iowa, that his Gardasil order HAD been a mistake.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Sept. 9, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    It's interesting to me that the punditry is eager to criticize Romney for Massachusetts' health care MANDATE, yet haven't really latched onto Rick Perry's own health care mandate in the form of his executive order prescribing Gardasil HPV vaccines for all sixth grade girls. I'm glad at least that Dr. Ron Paul brought the subject to the forefront. What was not mentioned at the debate is that Mike Toomey, Gov. Perry's former chief of staff at the time had been hired by Merck, the sole manufacturer of the drug to be the company's top lobbyist in the state. Any connection there, Mr. Perry?

    Another thing that has not gotten a lot of nation attention is that Perry has become a millionaire WHILE IN OFFICE, mostly through land deals. Nothing wrong with that on the surface, but when you realize that Perry is benefiting from the assistance of political insiders, lobbyists and big-money donors to reap, shall we say, better than average profits from these land deals, then more should be paying attention. (Read up on Perry and his Horseshoe Bay property for one instance.)

  • ds4081 Provo, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    Ron Paul is the only one up on that stage that won't continue the status quo. We need to get back to the constitutional size government. He predicted this mess almost to a T, and knows we need sound money and a humble foreign policy to make it through the darkness. He also has the only true christian foreign policy. You should never support pre-emptive war.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    This newspaper is clearly behind Romney. Day after day, articles in support of him. Maybe you should make it part of the masthead - "The Voice for Mitt."

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Sadly our party would vote for a duck otherwise Bachman would not be on the ballot.

    so much drama in these small rants. It makes reading way more entertaining than the article.

    Obama has not spent billions on vacations, and in fact his vacations do not even compare to those of Bush, who was vacation king while in office.

    when this country is at full employemnt the unemployment rate is 5.5%, there is always that many unemployed due to moves and relocations etc. So for the country to be at 9% unemployment is really only 4% from being fully employed.

    Orrin Hatch said the GOP do not have answers to get the country back to work, so either he is lying or the candidat3es who are now proposing that they can fix the unemployment in this country.

    Cooler heads need to prevail.

    The question is how many GOP would vote for Romney if he were a Democrat?

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    That's akin to a silly 3rd grader beating up a sillier 2nd grader.
    The GOP will do nothing for you unless you're rich.
    Are you rich?

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Sept. 9, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    A vote for Rick Perry in the primaries is a vote for Barack Obama in the general election.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Perry needs to go back to Triple-A to work on his debate game. He really struggled to the point where you almost felt sorry for him. Mitt ate his lunch.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    So you just changed your story again, VST, now you are back to saying you would actually vote for a duck. So duck isn't your code word for candidate. I wish you would make up your mind. Like I said: slick.

    But yeah, I got what you were saying the first time: you would vote for anybody, and I mean anybody, that the republicans told you to, even a waterfowl. No, I get it, you would vote for a bird, as long as it had an R by its name.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:28 p.m.


    I understand the sentiment you are trying to convey, but it is not convincing me.

    Some people are inseparably connected with and representative of a party, religion, group or race such that a vote for that person IS a vote for the party, religion, group, or race.

    Romney is just such a compound person, as is Perry. A vote for Romney IS a vote for the LDS religion; and a vote for Perry IS a vote for Evangelical Christianity. These men are open about it and wear their religions on their sleeves like a campaign button to elicit votes.

    And that is why I will not vote for either of them.

    These men honestly believe they are "chosen by god" to ascend to the Presidency to accomplish some grand religious work in saving this so-called "Christian nation" (or to abandon it to the destruction preparatory to the 2nd Coming of Christ - we can't tell the implications of their strange beliefs).

    With the state of religious fanaticism in the world today, the last thing we need in the Whitehouse is a religious zealot.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    In 2000 and 2004 Republicans voted for a "bush".

    It just makes sense they would vote for a "duck" this time.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    So VST, when you said a duck you were actually talking about Republican candidates for president. Republican candidates, ducks. Obviously proud Republicans will say anything that suits the moment.  That's what bothers me so much about Republicans now days, they have no firm foundation, they are unbelievably slick. They will say anything. 

    VST, when you said duck, you meant duck, I call you on it and you say: oh no, when I say duck I actually mean any of the eight Republican presidential candidates. 


    Or is duck a nickname you Republicans use for candidates? 

    At least rifleman has the integrity to admit that he would vote for an actual duck, feathers and all. 

    No VST, you can't dance, you said you would vote for a duck if the Republicans put it in front of you. 

    -worf, do you really expect me to believe that a comment made by candidate Obama in a debate concerning the patriotism involved in  President Bush running up huge debt has anything to do, at all, with his feelings for this country. Don't try to peddle your stuff to me, I'm not buying.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    @ BYU Girl | 11:50 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011

    W has a Masters from Harvard; what is your point?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    @ Mark:

    "what do any of your six extremely misleading, misrepresentative, grossly taken out of context, mischaracterized, inaccurate, talking points have to do with President Obama "loving" America or not?"

    Let me simplify and modify for your understanding. In a April 2008 debate, BO critized GWB for excessive spending and called it irresponsible and unpatriotic. BO has now broke the worlds record for excessive spending and must by his own words, be unpatriotic. I don't see a difference between "lack of love for country" or "unpatriotic".

    What's so misleading, misrepresentative, grossly taken out of context, mischaracterized, inaccurate about this? It's BOs own words.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:53 p.m.


    I wasn't vouching for Obama or for democrats. I was just vouching for looking past the party and looking at the person. I have the same single minded view you do only it's in regards to religion. I don't want Romney in because of his religion. I'm looking at his religion, and not the person. That's not right. Just like it's not right to vote solely for a party. Just like it's not right to vote for a president because he's black. We're voting for future leaders of our country, not for a party, a religion, or a race. We're voting for a person.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:54 p.m.


    "And yes, I am a life-long conservative Republican and I am proud of it. "

    I don't know why people are only republican, only democrat, this that or the other. I'm for whoever will do the best for this country, it's people, and the world. Parties don't mean anything to me. These diehard republican/democrats will look past the best candidate to stick with their party. It's sickening.

    The PERSON is more important than the PARTY.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Romney won? Really? Why don't you people show some integrity and announce the real winner?

    This is from an NBC internet poll.

    Ron Paul 52.6% 84,256 votes
    Mitt Romney 16.3% 26,059 votes
    Rick Perry 13.6% 21,844 votes
    Jon Huntsman 6.7% 10,709 votes
    Newt Ginrich 4.5% 7,239 votes
    Herman Cain 3.2% 5,185 votes
    Michele Bachman 2% 3,262 votes
    Rick Santorum 1% 1,583 votes

    Ron Paul is winning by a mile and why is the media covering that up?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Re: VST | 1:57 p.m. Sept. 8, 2011

    If a duck wins the Republican nomination we will have feathers in the White House after Nov. 2012.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    Staying on Message...

    Michelle Bachmann has 10 talking points memorized.

    When asked a question, she just answers with one of the 10 talking points.

    Newt looks, at all comers as simple neophytes constantly getting in the way of his "diamond" brillance.

    Snarling at pencil-necked moderators makes him look tough?

    Perry was good, at looking into the camera.

    Or was it, looking good, while the camera was looking, at him?

    Huntsman "committed" political "hari-kari" (truth telling is a "no no").

    Cain has to overcome the fact that most Conservatives don't like his "policies".

    Santorum has to be the most "earnest loser" of all the candidates.

    Ron Paul was well Ron Paul.

    Given the odd assortment of carnival workers assembled above, Mitt has it made in the shade,... at least until the "whisper campaign" starts.

    Speaking, of those, in the shadows, Sarah, Chris, even Rudy and Donald, et al. are circling, like sharks, waiting patiently, just below the radar, for the Republican Kingmakers to give the signal that now is the time to jump in and save the day for the Republican Party.

    All in all, great entertainment.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    ". I love smaller government, in fact, I would like to see the Federal Government wittled down to defense of the nation and nothing more."

    Payara, I see you are not a fan of the Constitution. Only defense is not what the Founders envisioned for the Federal Government.

    worf, what do any of your six extremely misleading, misrepresentative, grossly taken out of context, mischaracterized, inaccurate, talking points have to do with President Obama "loving" America or not?

    You know something, don't even try to answer that, because we know they have absolutely zero to do with the presidents feelings for this country.

    And there you go: VST sums up the republicans' state of mind.

    "If a duck wins the Republican nomination, I will vote for it!"

    They would vote for a duck if it had an R after its name.

    Yep folks, you saw it right here: the conservative would vote for a waterfowl if someone called it a republican.

    That's how discerning they are.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    @ Pagan:

    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents and added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back $30,000 for every man, woman and child. Thats irresponsible. Its unpatriotic".

    BO April 2008-Debate

    Can you admit hypocrite, or keep blaming George Bush.
    Can BO love this country and be unpatriotic at the same time? BO has spent more money than any human being in history. **patriotic**? **Irresponsible**?

    And with all this, we spent billions for his vacations?

  • Amanda Jones SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Hey, VST;

    Look at the people you have running for the Republican nomination: A former Speaker of the House who ranted at America about morality while having an affair, a tired doctor who couldn't get the nomination even if everyone else in the field faded away, a crazy woman with lying eyes and no original ideas, a fairly intelligent but organizationally challenged former governor of Utah, a pizza guy who wants to give more tax breaks to America's wealthiest 2%, a ceremonial cowboy governor from Texas who can't think any faster or better than George W. Bush, a former senator from Pennsylvania who simply isn't qualified to be anything other than a former senator and a former governor from Massachusetts who's got $250 million in personal wealth and has no idea what 'real' Americans deal with in this economy.
    Go find your duck . . . or get ready to re-elect President Obama.

    Amanda Jones

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Eager to tangle, Republican presidential rivals Rick Perry and Mitt Romney each laid claim to a better job-creating record as governor Wednesday night in a campaign debate that marked a new turn in the race to pick a challenger to President Barack Obama next year.

    "Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt," Perry jabbed, referring to Romney's predecessor as Democratic governor in Massachusetts.

    "As a matter of fact, George Bush and his predecessors created jobs at a faster rate than you did," Romney shot back at Perry, the newcomer to the race who has quickly laid claim to the front-runner;'s mantle.

    The debate was the first of three in as many weeks, at a time the polls show Obama's popularity sinking, possibly making the GOP nomination worth more than it appeared only a few months ago.

    Perry and Romney stood next to each other on the debate stage at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, a symbolic setting that invoked the memory of the conservative Republican who swept to two terms as president.

  • Amanda Jones SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    The important question is why?
    Why do these men lie when they know we'll catch them with fact checks?
    Romney puffs employment numbers to make himself look good when he was governor of Massachusetts while Perry pretends that as the mostly ceremonial governor of Texas he actually had something to do with creating mostly minimum wage jobs in his state.
    Do we really want men with so little character in charge of the nation for at least four years?
    Are these two the best we can do?

    Amanda Jones

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Perry debated himself out of grace last night. He comes across as a conniver. Romney gives credit where credit is due, and is not afraid of admitting his mistakes. He says, "if you like my message and plan, then I am your guy. If not, then pick someone else".

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    @JoeBlow: Apparently she brings God. But since Texas is burning, Perry must be on the bad list.

    It's never good to be No. 1. Everybody comes gunning for you. Let's see if he can prevail in the end.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Mitt is a Rino because he wants to save social security? Thank goodness for Rinos then. At least many republicans are honest about their intentions. If we ride the tea wagon and the stock market tanks when we need it, we can look in the mirror and know who to blame.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Re: Pagen | 11:43 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011

    Yes, all Obama did when he went to Joplin, Missouri after the tornado hit was to grandstand and syphon off badly needed manpower that could have been more effectively used to save lives.

    Bush understood that concept but apparently TV coverage was more important to Obama.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    In my opinion, Huntsman appeared arrogant, almost Al Gore like. His answers did not reflect a depth of understanding or experience and tended to isolate him from the other candidates and from the Republican Party, the very people he is seeking support from. As a governor, he isolated himself from his party and his claims of success as governor are more self indulgent than based on what he actually accomplished and how he is perceived. I wouldn't be surprised to see him switch to the Democratic Party after this election is over and he finds himself friendless, knocking on the door but not invited in.

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    During the debate, I kept seeing a Romney / Bachmann ticket in the future. As the nominee could Romney unite with Bachmann to pull in the Tea Party vote? Although Perry and Romney are competing as the front-runners, I believe much of the vote that is dispersed among the other candidates will swing to Romney when those other candidates exit the race.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Let's just not send another community organizer and law professor to solve complex economic issues.j Puleeeze!!!

  • BYU Girl West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    When it comes time to vote in the primaries, I will not be voting for Huntsman. He is not a good example for our children. He dropped out of high school. What kind of message is that for our youth? "Drop out of school and become President of the United States."

    Mitt Romney clearly won that debate. I don't want Perry to win because I don't like the idea of forcing our daughters to have the cervical cancer vaccine. Parents should have a say in their children's health. He wants to stop social security and medicare, but I don't hear any better solutions. Like the candidate (forgot his name, but CEO of Godfather's Pizza) said "Let's fix it."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    @ speed66:

    "asserting that he doesn't love America is simply absurd":

    Don't take my word for it. Look at what he does:

    1. Goes through out the world apologizing for America.
    2. Has a wife who was never proud of our country till he became president.
    3. Criticizes successful Americans for not paying their fair share of taxes.
    4. After telling Americans to sacrifice and tighten their belts, uses American tax money for lavish vacations costing billions.
    5. Costing Americans, tens of millions of dollars per day, for a war in Libya without congressional approval while in economic trouble.
    6. In his own words, increasing spending is not patriotic. Guess what? He's increased spending faster than any human in the history of this world.

    It's not my opinion, but his absurd actions.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Re: one vote | 9:44 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011
    "Why was Perry in California while Texas was burning?"

    Perry was staying out of the way of the professionals fighting the fire like Obama should have done when Joplin, Missouri was hit by a tornado. All Obama did was syphon off badly needed manpower that could have been more effectively used to save lives.

  • David King Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    @Mikhail | 8:45 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011
    Do the supporters of other candidates not have access to the internet? They could just as easily do the same thing, especially if Ron Paul supporters are not as numerous as they claim to be. My main point was the media often makes no mention of him. That cannot be argued. "Experts" can pick winners and losers but that's not really the way our system is supposed to work. "We the People" has become "We the pundits, corporate giants, lobbyists, and SuperPACs". Instead of challenging this, the Deseret News and other media have often been complicit, playing along with the idea that only certain candidates are electable, and the rest are to be ignored, no matter how unique, principled, and sincere their views may be.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Obama does not love America, he only loves parts of America. I guess I fall into the same catigory. I love hard working people who don't ask for handouts. I love smaller government, in fact, I would like to see the Federal Government wittled down to defense of the nation and nothing more. Let the states decide social programs such as education and medicaid.

  • greenman108 Petaluma, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    correcting typo: reduce PAYments by means testing social security. we can decrease payments when the outside income of a recipient reaches a threshold, say $50K and end payments for THAT year when their income reaches $80K, for example. either reduce payments for wealthy people, or increase contributions, by adding people to the system or even by increasing the number at which Social security tax ends up to $120K for a given year.

  • greenman108 Petaluma, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Perry did not answer difficult questions when asked directly.

    When asked directly what to do about Social security, he said he wants to make more jobs.

    He reminds me of Bachmann. She was asked directly in the first debate how she would make good on her claim that she can turn the economy around in 90 days. Her answer " I said earlier this month that we should not raise the debt ceiling".

    bizarre, canned responses to direct questions will turn off the INDs. The partisan republicans will vote for anyone with a pulse, come the general election. The 30 percent of Americans who are not red or blue will not vote for a person who cannot back up their negativity with real ideas.

    We all agree that in the long term something needs to change regarding Social security.
    The correct answer for all candidates is thus: either we have to increase contributions or we have to reduce payments. We can increase contributions by making the 10 million illegals, legal. We can reduce contributions by MEANS testing social security and no longer pay the full amount out to people making $80K from other sources.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    Romney Bachmann?

    Can anyone tell me what Bachmann brings to the table?

  • speed66 Heber City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    I thought the debate was only mildly amusing. Each of the candidates evaded tougher questions and spoke in political speech. Paul was the most direct but then went on a "we aren't evil" rant that was silly.

    Shockingly Buddy Roemer was not allowed into the debate even though he is polling better than Huntsman and he's doing it without taking big money. I think the more people hear his message the more they will like him. I think he would be a formidable opponent in the primary and general.

    @FDRfan "Romney is truly the only hope for America as I see it." - You should read the rest of your post and you'll find exactly why you won't be able to support Mitt.

    @ArizonaDad - Your understanding of the Constitution is flawed. By the way, the individual mandate is a Republican invention (for insurance companies). Orrin Hatch was one of four who created and promoted it. Facts are a bummer.

    @worf - you seem to be asserting that President Obama doesn't love their country. While you may disagree with policy or not even like him personally, asserting that he doesn't love America is simply absurd.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    (I'll try again, the DN Monitor somehow thinks I said something "rude")

    My View,

    1. Perry was the night's biggest liar [source - FactCheck]

    2. If Hunstman doesn't win the GOP nomination for President -- The winner would be a fool not select him as his VP running mate. He was clearly the only one "Moderate" enough to whoo any of the vast majority of America who are Moderate/Indenpendant. And the only one with all the qualitifications.

    Private Business Sector.
    Executive Branch as Utah Governor.
    and International as the U.S. Ambassador to China.

    But the Tea Party is not seriously interested in winning anything.
    They focus all their firepower on Political purism, slogans, and making a Statement.

    IMO - Michele Bachmann makes Sarah Palin look Presidential.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Romney looked and acted presidential. I'm thinking Romney Bachman would be the best offer for the country, at this time.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    "Wins?" How can either of two losers "win?"

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    If Romney sticks to economic issues he's got a real chance, but if he lets himself get mired down in partisan politics and social issues he can kiss it all goodbye.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    The super pacs funded by the super rich will rule the Republican nomination - and that will be Perry.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Why was Perry in California while Texas was burning?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Rick Perry is distancing himself from a book HE wrote last year. He is a bigger flip flopper than Mitt. He is a champion of chrony capitalism. The kind that led Gw Bush to give mo bid contracts to Halliburton and Blackwater fleecing the American taxpayer. Perry is Bush 2

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    To David King:

    Ron Paul wins every single poll after a debate that asks that question. Is that because he really "won" the debate, or because there is an organized effort of libertarians who know how to use these internet polls to make it look like everyone loves Ron Paul?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Perry made Mitt's case when Perry said that Mitt created alot of jobs in the private sector but didn't create that many while governor. That's correct. The private sector creates the jobs, the government does not. The government can create the proper atmosphere for the private sector, but it is up to the private sector to create jobs. Besides, MA was at "full employment" and really didn't need to create jobs during Romney's tenure.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    'Perry and Romney stood next to each other on the debate stage at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, a setting that invoked the memory of the conservative Republican who swept to two terms as president.' - Article

    A 'conservative Republican', Ronald Regan, who...

    TRIPLED the national debt...

    and raised the debt ceiling...18 times.

    Even George W. Bush only raised it...seven times.


    *'Poll: Less than half of GOP primary voters satisfied with 2012 field' - By Mark Murray - NBC News - 06/15/11

    *'GOP race narrows, but there's still no front runner' - By Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers - Published by DSNews - 08/14/11

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    'Bachman also said she would provide the "strong, bold leader in the presidency who will lead" the effort to repeal the health care law...' - Article

    *'CBO: Health care repeal would increase deficit' - By Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press - 01/06/11

    'In a letter to Boehner, budget office director Douglas Elmendorf estimated repeal would increase the deficit by $230 billion from 2012 to 2021...'

    Source? Congressional Budget Office.

    Why would you want to ADD $230 billion to the national debt.


    *'Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds' - By Michael Isikoff - MSNBC - 06/28/2011

    *'FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows' - By Jim Drinkard - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/28/11

    'WASHINGTON Michele Bachmann's claim that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been subsidized by the government (sic)
    The farm, which was owned by her father-in-law (sic)
    The farm also received federal crop and disaster subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments.'

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    '"Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt," Perry jabbed in the debate's opening moments...' - Article

    *'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08

    *'Mitt Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11

    'Employees who lost jobs at Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago say they still hold Romney responsible.
    "I would not vote for him for anything," said Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...'

    Mitt Romney on Job creation:
    From 2003-2007 job growth....0.9%.
    In rankings with the rest of the country...MA was 47th in Job creation when Mitt Romney was there.
    - Think Progress Travis Waldron 06/02/11


    in the very article your reading!

  • MarieDevine Divine-Way Kansas City, MO
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    We can choose a candidate that promises 100% lifelong employment; or we can choose a candidate who promises 100% lifelong UNEMPLOYMENT.

    It is the difference between enslavement for a lifetime or true freedom for a lifetime.

    It is the difference between continuing the same lifestyle that created our many problems or turning back to the land, create a garden paradise lifestyle that quickly and easily ends wars, immigration, pollution to air, land, water and food that causes disease in young and old, inequality, financial insecurity and unfair and expensive social welfare programs that increase costs with big government payrolls.

    IF our candidates refuse to save us from our own ignorance and bondage, it is time to find a candidate who understands God's wisdom in living off the land and knows how to transition us comfortably.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    'Far more than in earlier GOP debates this summer, the candidates mixed it up in their first faceoff since Perry entered the race and almost instantly overtook Romney as front-runner in opinion polls.' - Article

    *'Perry likely can beat Romney, but he can't win' - By Kathleen Parker, Washington Post - Published by DSnews - 08/30/2011

    'WASHINGTON Rick Perry's rapid lead over previous Republican front-runner Mitt Romney was predictable. But it is not a good sign for Republicans hoping to reclaim the White House and further highlights the crucial battle within GOP circles: Who is the godliest of us all?'

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I would take Huntsman so far. I like what he has to say and especially like how cultured he is. Romney ... could never do it. Far too religious and that's certainly going to affect his politics. In fact, many of the candidates in the GOP this year are far too religious. Huntsman has my interest currently.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    I would take either Romney, Cain, or Huntsman and be happy. I believe Romney has the best potential to beat obama.

    A Romney/Marco Rubio ticket would guarantee a victory.

  • Springvillepoet Springville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:44 a.m.

    For anyone wanting Huntsman to run as and Independent:

    If he was to break away from the GOP an go it on his own, two things will almost certainly happen.

    1. He, or any GOP going independent, will pull maybe 3-5% of the GOP vote.

    2. That act will help ensure a Democrat victory next year.

    My take on the debates was that it was one big commercial for Romney and Perry, and that's a shame because it shouldn't be a competition of haircuts.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:09 a.m.

    Bachmann "has a habit (a bad one) of not really answering a fair amount of questions in a not-straight-forward/evasive way"

    Yes, she answered what she wanted to answer, not what was asked.

    Where did she learn that? Why it was none other than Sarah Palin.

    Sarah did that quite effectively in the Biden debate.

  • David King Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:57 a.m.

    MSNBC had a poll asking who won the debate. Users were required to have a profile to vote and could only vote once. When I voted there were 65,326 votes cast. 30,627 said that Ron Paul won the debate. Second was Mitt Romney with 12,904 votes. Rick Perry was third with just under 10,000. Interestingly, I see much more in this article about Perry and Romney than Paul. In fact, the only thing stated about Paul was that he was there. If half of those who answered poll thought Ron Paul won, doesn't that mean he probably said something of substance, or at least something worth repeating? If we don't hold the media to a higher standard than this, we will get what we deserve. Media anointed and selected candidates, who are in the pockets of corporations and special interests.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:11 a.m.

    Mitt is so slick, and that's problem #1.

    Problem #2 is that he's one part RINO (Republican in name only) as evidenced by his defense of Social Security, calling Medicare and Medicaid "good programs", squishy on climate change, forcing an individual mandate to buy health insurance on Massachusetts citizens, putting a salary cap of $200,000 in his new program for those who will have no tax on savings or capital gains, and the list goes on and on. This is why he can't fire up the base. He's not a true Reagan conservative.

    Rick Perry, on the other hand, is willing to take tough stands and demonstrate a clear difference between the Republicans and the Democrats in this election.
    He will in fact appeal to moderates and Democrats, because this election is going to be about jobs, the economy, and personal survival, and not differences of opinion on evolution and climate change.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:38 a.m.

    Just say NO to another Teaxas Governor/former college cheerleader, the last one named W Bush spent 6 TRILLION and Perry will do the same. He talks tough but had no problem going to the piggy trough for 17 BILLION in federal funds while criticizing it.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 12:35 a.m.

    One thing for sure about this current group of GOP unMitt candidates: they make Reagan seem presidential. I would like to administer truth serum to them and listen to them spill: that would be amusing. Only whites should be president. Only people with money deserve health care. The middle class should get jobs not careers. Rick once shot a sand hill crane while duck hunting.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 7, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    Ya know, I like what Bachmann stands for but I've watched her now in several interviews and 2 GOP debates and she has a habit (a bad one) of not really answering a fair amount of questions in a not-straight-forward/evasive way and then, in addition to that, launching in on an "I'm great" monologue. Yes, all politicians do that quite a bit but from what I've seen, she does it more than the other GOP candidates...it's as if her record is weak and she doesn't have facts/achievements to fall back on.

    One who does seem to speak intelligently and to answer the question head on is Newt Gingrich.

    Personally, I like Romney, Newt and Herman Cain. I like Ron Paul, too, except for the fact that he'd allow Iran to have nuke weapons. (No way I'd allow that! RP's in la-la land if he thinks that is OK.)

    BTW, mainstream media wants everyone to believe that Republicans are really dissapointed in the field of candidates. However, that's a bunch of baloney. Every single conservative I talk to, and I mean every one, would gladly vote for any on the stage tonight other than Obama.

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    I think ArizonaDad was right - the moderators were in there just to create hostility between the candidates (what would you expect of NBC and Politico?)Most of the candidates did a good job of presenting ideas versus griping at each other. IDEAS and PLANS will carry the day. Voters can see the difference between plans and griping.

  • floridian navarre, fl
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Those wanting Mr. Huntsman to run as an independent are wrong. He would only take the election away from the Republican nominee and give it to the current occupant of the Oval Office. Look at the polls -- 40% approve of the job President Obama is doing, yet in head-to-head against Romney he gets 47-48%, as does Romney. He beats all the other Republicans. So I would suspect he will get that much in the general election. No way could an independent get enough of the Republican votes and whatever others (Independents/Democrats) in order to come up with more. Our only hope is for the Republican nominee to be determined early and all the others to get behind him/her.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    All of these candidates are better than what's in office now. They appear, proud of their country.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    Rick Perry scares me more than the current administration. He is like George Bush Jr. on steroids. Bachmann is even worse. I'd take Huntsman or Romney over either of those two. Hunstman would get my vote today.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    Can anyone tell me the price to put a fence along the southern USA border????
    Is it like 2600 miles??? What is your estimate??? 500 billion??? 100 billion??? If we built it I do think it would make a better case for Obamacare-----then health care would only be for citizens and not for anyone else, (with no fence it does affect hospitals and schools on the southern border) I'm glad it was brought up that 1986 was the last year we did anything on immigration-----the Hispanics coming to this great country, in my view, is as important as the pilgrims coming on the Mayflower. Our country needs good food and more dancing. (we are too serious)

    Sept. 7, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    I think my comment disappeared.
    Romney won hands down.He was articulate, focused on the other debaters when they spoke, showing that he was listening to them and showing them respect. He looked Presidential and he was not flustered or mean. His answers were spot on.
    I wanted to vote for Rubio/West but obviously I won't get to, so I'm warming up to Romney and will crawl over glass to vote for him over obama.
    Huntsman should primary obama!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 7, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Being an old retired guy, whoever is elected wont affect me. My children are all for Mitt Romney. He is truly the only hope for America as I see it. My beef is with the ultra rich. I consider their actions closer to treasonous than any other action. They outsourced jobs to increase their share of wealth. They send their capital overseas to avoid taxes. Yet we sacrifice our sons and daughters to protect their lavish life styles in this country. We coddle them and all of the Republicans are trying to bribe them to create jobs in the country where they reside. Money is all that matters to them. There is something dreadfully wrong when an individual can make millions selling securities derived from liar loan mortgages, and make billions betting against the soundness of those mortgages. These individuals had such a stranglehold on our economy that we taxpayers paid the company that took the bets to prevent them from defaulting on those bets. Our ultra rich, with few exceptions, are the biggest enemies of our America. Unless we stop their control of our government things will only get worse.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    Huntsman had the best performance. He should quit the Republican Party immediately and run as an independent. Moderates, i.e. the majority of Americans, are entirely unrepresented in Washington. I believe if Huntsman were to run as an independent, he would win the whole shebang.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    Perry wants to trash Medicare and I think that will turn off many GOP voters , and come real election time it will offend undecided vote, as they are not in tune with what Perry is thinking yet. He is way right wing and is busy garnering votes from the south as they will be needed for him to come out ahead at election time.

    Mitt has his well to do friends and he has announced he will cut their taxes, and his too.

    Mitt supposedly has the better chance to defeat Obama but the cost is too high. We do need change and Mitt has proven by hiring Bush's old economic adviser it will be business as usual in Washington. Frightening.

    Huntsman may need some help but his still is a voice of reason in this teapot that is boiling. He has a proven record of creating jobs, he has international experience and is not afraid to take on the president.

    I was not impressed that Perry can come across to the independent voter and without those he cannot beat Obama.

  • ArizonaDad flagstaff, AZ
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    I saw it entirely differently.

    I thought that all eight were civil, intelligent, and for the most part were trying to avoid the fights that the "moderators" were trying to pick.

    All in all, I feel that the eight represent a very strong and diverse field of candidates, and I will be able to support the winner or survivor, whomever it may be.

    One thing that I wish SOMEBODY had said: When the moderators kept trying to put words in their mouths, stating that the individual mandate was the core of their objection to Obamacare, or their only objection, SOMEBODY needed to say that it isn't that way at all. Even if the Supreme Court struck down the individual mandate and left the rest intact, not one of the eight would say "okay. Good enough", or would leave Obamacare in place as the foundation, with changes. The problem with Obamacare is that it is a highjacking of one-seventh of the economy, giving unprecedented power to those least able to restrain themselves, and is unconstitutional from top to bottom.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    It appeared that perry and Rommney were the heavyweight sluggers and the only other one smart enough to compete was Newt. The rest of the candidates should go home. I really liked Perry's answers to the use of capitol punishment and boarder security.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    What a mistake that all the local tv stations only carried fluff while MSNBC carried the debate. My 87-year old mother called to ask what station it was on; she doesn't have cable. KSL 5 carried "Minute to Win It" instead of the debate. KUTV said they normally wouldn't carry it because it's "just the primaries." So I guess nothing matters until after the primary el;ection is over, huh? I wonder if Rod Decker would agree with that.

    I guess no one cares really, do they, so we'll just re-up with O'Bama and his train-wreck of a government.

    And all this time I thought ordinary persons deserved better. Silly me.......

  • VoiceforSanity HOWELL, NJ
    Sept. 7, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    OK Mr. Huntsman, if you are as bright as you appear to be, you learned tonight to get out, re-trench and get focused on running as an Independent. I'm not so confident you will do this. Why? Because it was sad to see that you were lofted a softball with the question about your opponents' collective intelligence, and you dodged it. Oh well, maybe a 2nd term Obama will bring the hope and promise those who voted for him expected in the first term.