I hate to hear our politicans attaching each other. I wish they would say what
they stand far, how they plan to lead our country etc. and that's it. No more
netative comments about each other. It get old. Thank you.
@ welcomethemall | 3:38 p.m. Sept. 9, 2011Or how about the
ever-elusive "reality" key?...
Far too many dreamers out there. If Huntsman declared as an independent that
would hand Obama four more years. Wait..almost nobody is listening to Jon Jr.
anyway. Honestly Jon Jr. does not begin to mount any support....Barely
registering in single digits. Maybe in eight years he has a shot. Simply no
power base going in and he knows that already. Mitt is smart enough to know
that slow and steady wins the race. Just continue to clearly and succinctly
give solutions and gradually more and more folks will realize he is the most
likely to to turf BO.
A vote for any GOP candidate other than Ron Paul, is a vote for Obama. It would
be as if you are sticking a clone of him in the whitehouse.
Slick Rick for sheriff and Mitt for President.
At last I understand why DN has a four-posts per article limit, hereforthwith
known as the "Pagan" Rule.Pagan's mastery of the Ctrl-C
and Ctrl-V keys leaves me awestruck -- humbled in the presence of greatness.Now only if there were a Relevance key.
I agree that the ultr-rich may be the reuination of our country...the idea that
they will invest more in creating jobs may be just wrong, because they are only
interested in hoarding their money, not in reinvesting in America.
By the way, I know there was an opt out clause in Perry's mandate. My point is
the connection between Merck's lobbyist and Perry's decision to issue the
executive order.In the 2010 governor's race here in Texas, Perry was
asked specifically if he considered the executive order (from 2007) as a
"mistake". He replied, "No sir," then gave the same line he
gave at Wednesday's debate: "If I err, I want to err on the side of
life"Yet as he entered the Presidential race, one of his first
orders of business was to declare, while in Iowa, that his Gardasil order HAD
been a mistake.
It's interesting to me that the punditry is eager to criticize Romney for
Massachusetts' health care MANDATE, yet haven't really latched onto Rick Perry's
own health care mandate in the form of his executive order prescribing Gardasil
HPV vaccines for all sixth grade girls. I'm glad at least that Dr. Ron Paul
brought the subject to the forefront. What was not mentioned at the debate is
that Mike Toomey, Gov. Perry's former chief of staff at the time had been hired
by Merck, the sole manufacturer of the drug to be the company's top lobbyist in
the state. Any connection there, Mr. Perry?Another thing that has
not gotten a lot of nation attention is that Perry has become a millionaire
WHILE IN OFFICE, mostly through land deals. Nothing wrong with that on the
surface, but when you realize that Perry is benefiting from the assistance of
political insiders, lobbyists and big-money donors to reap, shall we say, better
than average profits from these land deals, then more should be paying
attention. (Read up on Perry and his Horseshoe Bay property for one instance.)
Ron Paul is the only one up on that stage that won't continue the status quo.
We need to get back to the constitutional size government. He predicted this
mess almost to a T, and knows we need sound money and a humble foreign policy to
make it through the darkness. He also has the only true christian foreign
policy. You should never support pre-emptive war.
This newspaper is clearly behind Romney. Day after day, articles in support of
him. Maybe you should make it part of the masthead - "The Voice for
Sadly our party would vote for a duck otherwise Bachman would not be on the
ballot.so much drama in these small rants. It makes reading way
more entertaining than the article.Obama has not spent billions on
vacations, and in fact his vacations do not even compare to those of Bush, who
was vacation king while in office.when this country is at full
employemnt the unemployment rate is 5.5%, there is always that many unemployed
due to moves and relocations etc. So for the country to be at 9% unemployment
is really only 4% from being fully employed.Orrin Hatch said the GOP
do not have answers to get the country back to work, so either he is lying or
the candidat3es who are now proposing that they can fix the unemployment in this
country.Cooler heads need to prevail.The question is how
many GOP would vote for Romney if he were a Democrat?
That's akin to a silly 3rd grader beating up a sillier 2nd grader.The GOP
will do nothing for you unless you're rich.Are you rich?
A vote for Rick Perry in the primaries is a vote for Barack Obama in the general
Perry needs to go back to Triple-A to work on his debate game. He really
struggled to the point where you almost felt sorry for him. Mitt ate his lunch.
So you just changed your story again, VST, now you are back to saying you would
actually vote for a duck. So duck isn't your code word for candidate. I wish you
would make up your mind. Like I said: slick. But yeah, I got what
you were saying the first time: you would vote for anybody, and I mean anybody,
that the republicans told you to, even a waterfowl. No, I get it, you would vote
for a bird, as long as it had an R by its name.
LValfre,I understand the sentiment you are trying to convey, but it
is not convincing me.Some people are inseparably connected with and
representative of a party, religion, group or race such that a vote for that
person IS a vote for the party, religion, group, or race.Romney is
just such a compound person, as is Perry. A vote for Romney IS a vote for the
LDS religion; and a vote for Perry IS a vote for Evangelical Christianity. These
men are open about it and wear their religions on their sleeves like a campaign
button to elicit votes.And that is why I will not vote for either of
them.These men honestly believe they are "chosen by god"
to ascend to the Presidency to accomplish some grand religious work in saving
this so-called "Christian nation" (or to abandon it to the destruction
preparatory to the 2nd Coming of Christ - we can't tell the implications of
their strange beliefs).With the state of religious fanaticism in the
world today, the last thing we need in the Whitehouse is a religious zealot.
In 2000 and 2004 Republicans voted for a "bush".It just
makes sense they would vote for a "duck" this time.
So VST, when you said a duck you were actually talking about Republican
candidates for president. Republican candidates, ducks. Obviously proud
Republicans will say anything that suits the moment. That's what bothers
me so much about Republicans now days, they have no firm foundation, they are
unbelievably slick. They will say anything. VST, when you said
duck, you meant duck, I call you on it and you say: oh no, when I say duck I
actually mean any of the eight Republican presidential candidates. Please. Or is duck a nickname you Republicans use for
candidates? At least rifleman has the integrity to admit that
he would vote for an actual duck, feathers and all. No VST, you
can't dance, you said you would vote for a duck if the Republicans put it in
front of you. -worf, do you really expect me to believe that a
comment made by candidate Obama in a debate concerning the patriotism involved
in President Bush running up huge debt has anything to do, at all, with
his feelings for this country. Don't try to peddle your stuff to me, I'm not
@ BYU Girl | 11:50 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011 W has a Masters from Harvard;
what is your point?
@ Mark:"what do any of your six extremely misleading,
misrepresentative, grossly taken out of context, mischaracterized, inaccurate,
talking points have to do with President Obama "loving" America or
not?"Let me simplify and modify for your understanding. In a
April 2008 debate, BO critized GWB for excessive spending and called it
irresponsible and unpatriotic. BO has now broke the worlds record for excessive
spending and must by his own words, be unpatriotic. I don't see a difference
between "lack of love for country" or "unpatriotic".What's so misleading, misrepresentative, grossly taken out of context,
mischaracterized, inaccurate about this? It's BOs own words.
@VST,I wasn't vouching for Obama or for democrats. I was just
vouching for looking past the party and looking at the person. I have the same
single minded view you do only it's in regards to religion. I don't want Romney
in because of his religion. I'm looking at his religion, and not the person.
That's not right. Just like it's not right to vote solely for a party. Just
like it's not right to vote for a president because he's black. We're voting
for future leaders of our country, not for a party, a religion, or a race.
We're voting for a person.
@VST,"And yes, I am a life-long conservative Republican and I
am proud of it. "I don't know why people are only republican,
only democrat, this that or the other. I'm for whoever will do the best for
this country, it's people, and the world. Parties don't mean anything to me.
These diehard republican/democrats will look past the best candidate to stick
with their party. It's sickening. The PERSON is more important
than the PARTY.
Romney won? Really? Why don't you people show some integrity and announce the
real winner? This is from an NBC internet poll.Ron Paul
52.6% 84,256 votesMitt Romney 16.3% 26,059 votesRick Perry 13.6%
21,844 votesJon Huntsman 6.7% 10,709 votesNewt Ginrich 4.5% 7,239
votesHerman Cain 3.2% 5,185 votesMichele Bachman 2% 3,262 votesRick Santorum 1% 1,583 votesRon Paul is winning by a mile and why
is the media covering that up?
Re: VST | 1:57 p.m. Sept. 8, 2011 If a duck wins the Republican
nomination we will have feathers in the White House after Nov. 2012.
Staying on Message...Michelle Bachmann has 10 talking points
memorized.When asked a question, she just answers with one of the 10
talking points.Newt looks, at all comers as simple neophytes
constantly getting in the way of his "diamond" brillance.Snarling at pencil-necked moderators makes him look tough?Perry
was good, at looking into the camera.Or was it, looking good, while
the camera was looking, at him?Huntsman "committed"
political "hari-kari" (truth telling is a "no no").Cain has to overcome the fact that most Conservatives don't like his
"policies".Santorum has to be the most "earnest
loser" of all the candidates.Ron Paul was well Ron Paul.Given the odd assortment of carnival workers assembled above, Mitt has
it made in the shade,... at least until the "whisper campaign"
starts.Speaking, of those, in the shadows, Sarah, Chris, even Rudy
and Donald, et al. are circling, like sharks, waiting patiently, just below the
radar, for the Republican Kingmakers to give the signal that now is the time to
jump in and save the day for the Republican Party.All in all, great
". I love smaller government, in fact, I would like to see the Federal
Government wittled down to defense of the nation and nothing more."Payara, I see you are not a fan of the Constitution. Only defense is not
what the Founders envisioned for the Federal Government. worf, what
do any of your six extremely misleading, misrepresentative, grossly taken out of
context, mischaracterized, inaccurate, talking points have to do with President
Obama "loving" America or not? You know something, don't
even try to answer that, because we know they have absolutely zero to do with
the presidents feelings for this country. And there you go: VST sums
up the republicans' state of mind. "If a duck wins the
Republican nomination, I will vote for it!"They would vote for
a duck if it had an R after its name. Yep folks, you saw it right
here: the conservative would vote for a waterfowl if someone called it a
republican. That's how discerning they are.
@ Pagan:"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over
the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the
name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the
first 42 presidents and added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have
over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back $30,000 for
every man, woman and child. Thats irresponsible. Its unpatriotic".BO April 2008-DebateCan you admit hypocrite, or keep blaming
George Bush.Can BO love this country and be unpatriotic at the same time?
BO has spent more money than any human being in history. **patriotic**?
**Irresponsible**?And with all this, we spent billions for his
Hey, VST;Look at the people you have running for the Republican
nomination: A former Speaker of the House who ranted at America about morality
while having an affair, a tired doctor who couldn't get the nomination even if
everyone else in the field faded away, a crazy woman with lying eyes and no
original ideas, a fairly intelligent but organizationally challenged former
governor of Utah, a pizza guy who wants to give more tax breaks to America's
wealthiest 2%, a ceremonial cowboy governor from Texas who can't think any
faster or better than George W. Bush, a former senator from Pennsylvania who
simply isn't qualified to be anything other than a former senator and a former
governor from Massachusetts who's got $250 million in personal wealth and has no
idea what 'real' Americans deal with in this economy.Go find your duck . .
. or get ready to re-elect President Obama.Amanda Jones
Eager to tangle, Republican presidential rivals Rick Perry and Mitt Romney each
laid claim to a better job-creating record as governor Wednesday night in a
campaign debate that marked a new turn in the race to pick a challenger to
President Barack Obama next year. "Michael Dukakis created jobs
three times faster than you did, Mitt," Perry jabbed, referring to Romney's
predecessor as Democratic governor in Massachusetts. "As a
matter of fact, George Bush and his predecessors created jobs at a faster rate
than you did," Romney shot back at Perry, the newcomer to the race who has
quickly laid claim to the front-runner;'s mantle. The debate was the
first of three in as many weeks, at a time the polls show Obama's popularity
sinking, possibly making the GOP nomination worth more than it appeared only a
few months ago. Perry and Romney stood next to each other on the
debate stage at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, a symbolic setting that
invoked the memory of the conservative Republican who swept to two terms as
The important question is why?Why do these men lie when they know we'll
catch them with fact checks?Romney puffs employment numbers to make
himself look good when he was governor of Massachusetts while Perry pretends
that as the mostly ceremonial governor of Texas he actually had something to do
with creating mostly minimum wage jobs in his state.Do we really want men
with so little character in charge of the nation for at least four years?Are these two the best we can do?Amanda Jones
Perry debated himself out of grace last night. He comes across as a conniver.
Romney gives credit where credit is due, and is not afraid of admitting his
mistakes. He says, "if you like my message and plan, then I am your guy. If
not, then pick someone else".
@JoeBlow: Apparently she brings God. But since Texas is burning, Perry must be
on the bad list.It's never good to be No. 1. Everybody comes
gunning for you. Let's see if he can prevail in the end.
Mitt is a Rino because he wants to save social security? Thank goodness for
Rinos then. At least many republicans are honest about their intentions. If we
ride the tea wagon and the stock market tanks when we need it, we can look in
the mirror and know who to blame.
Re: Pagen | 11:43 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011 Yes, all Obama did when he went
to Joplin, Missouri after the tornado hit was to grandstand and syphon off badly
needed manpower that could have been more effectively used to save lives.Bush understood that concept but apparently TV coverage was more
important to Obama.
In my opinion, Huntsman appeared arrogant, almost Al Gore like. His answers did
not reflect a depth of understanding or experience and tended to isolate him
from the other candidates and from the Republican Party, the very people he is
seeking support from. As a governor, he isolated himself from his party and his
claims of success as governor are more self indulgent than based on what he
actually accomplished and how he is perceived. I wouldn't be surprised to see
him switch to the Democratic Party after this election is over and he finds
himself friendless, knocking on the door but not invited in.
During the debate, I kept seeing a Romney / Bachmann ticket in the future. As
the nominee could Romney unite with Bachmann to pull in the Tea Party vote?
Although Perry and Romney are competing as the front-runners, I believe much of
the vote that is dispersed among the other candidates will swing to Romney when
those other candidates exit the race.
Let's just not send another community organizer and law professor to solve
complex economic issues.j Puleeeze!!!
When it comes time to vote in the primaries, I will not be voting for Huntsman.
He is not a good example for our children. He dropped out of high school. What
kind of message is that for our youth? "Drop out of school and become
President of the United States."Mitt Romney clearly won that
debate. I don't want Perry to win because I don't like the idea of forcing our
daughters to have the cervical cancer vaccine. Parents should have a say in
their children's health. He wants to stop social security and medicare, but I
don't hear any better solutions. Like the candidate (forgot his name, but CEO
of Godfather's Pizza) said "Let's fix it."
@ speed66:"asserting that he doesn't love America is simply
absurd":Don't take my word for it. Look at what he does:1. Goes through out the world apologizing for America.2. Has a
wife who was never proud of our country till he became president.3.
Criticizes successful Americans for not paying their fair share of taxes.4. After telling Americans to sacrifice and tighten their belts, uses
American tax money for lavish vacations costing billions.5. Costing
Americans, tens of millions of dollars per day, for a war in Libya without
congressional approval while in economic trouble.6. In his own words,
increasing spending is not patriotic. Guess what? He's increased spending
faster than any human in the history of this world.It's not my
opinion, but his absurd actions.
Re: one vote | 9:44 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011 "Why was Perry in California
while Texas was burning?"Perry was staying out of the way of
the professionals fighting the fire like Obama should have done when Joplin,
Missouri was hit by a tornado. All Obama did was syphon off badly needed
manpower that could have been more effectively used to save lives.
@Mikhail | 8:45 a.m. Sept. 8, 2011 Do the supporters of other candidates
not have access to the internet? They could just as easily do the same thing,
especially if Ron Paul supporters are not as numerous as they claim to be. My
main point was the media often makes no mention of him. That cannot be argued.
"Experts" can pick winners and losers but that's not really the way
our system is supposed to work. "We the People" has become "We
the pundits, corporate giants, lobbyists, and SuperPACs". Instead of
challenging this, the Deseret News and other media have often been complicit,
playing along with the idea that only certain candidates are electable, and the
rest are to be ignored, no matter how unique, principled, and sincere their
views may be.
Obama does not love America, he only loves parts of America. I guess I fall into
the same catigory. I love hard working people who don't ask for handouts. I love
smaller government, in fact, I would like to see the Federal Government wittled
down to defense of the nation and nothing more. Let the states decide social
programs such as education and medicaid.
correcting typo: reduce PAYments by means testing social security. we can
decrease payments when the outside income of a recipient reaches a threshold,
say $50K and end payments for THAT year when their income reaches $80K, for
example. either reduce payments for wealthy people, or increase contributions,
by adding people to the system or even by increasing the number at which Social
security tax ends up to $120K for a given year.
Perry did not answer difficult questions when asked directly.When
asked directly what to do about Social security, he said he wants to make more
jobs.He reminds me of Bachmann. She was asked directly in the first
debate how she would make good on her claim that she can turn the economy around
in 90 days. Her answer " I said earlier this month that we should not raise
the debt ceiling".bizarre, canned responses to direct questions
will turn off the INDs. The partisan republicans will vote for anyone with a
pulse, come the general election. The 30 percent of Americans who are not red
or blue will not vote for a person who cannot back up their negativity with real
ideas. We all agree that in the long term something needs to change
regarding Social security. The correct answer for all candidates is thus:
either we have to increase contributions or we have to reduce payments. We can
increase contributions by making the 10 million illegals, legal. We can reduce
contributions by MEANS testing social security and no longer pay the full amount
out to people making $80K from other sources.
Romney Bachmann?Can anyone tell me what Bachmann brings to the
I thought the debate was only mildly amusing. Each of the candidates evaded
tougher questions and spoke in political speech. Paul was the most direct but
then went on a "we aren't evil" rant that was silly.Shockingly Buddy Roemer was not allowed into the debate even though he is
polling better than Huntsman and he's doing it without taking big money. I think
the more people hear his message the more they will like him. I think he would
be a formidable opponent in the primary and general.@FDRfan
"Romney is truly the only hope for America as I see it." - You should
read the rest of your post and you'll find exactly why you won't be able to
support Mitt.@ArizonaDad - Your understanding of the Constitution is
flawed. By the way, the individual mandate is a Republican invention (for
insurance companies). Orrin Hatch was one of four who created and promoted it.
Facts are a bummer.@worf - you seem to be asserting that President
Obama doesn't love their country. While you may disagree with policy or not even
like him personally, asserting that he doesn't love America is simply absurd.
(I'll try again, the DN Monitor somehow thinks I said something
"rude")My View,1. Perry was the night's
biggest liar [source - FactCheck]2. If Hunstman doesn't win the GOP
nomination for President -- The winner would be a fool not select him as his VP
running mate. He was clearly the only one "Moderate" enough to whoo
any of the vast majority of America who are Moderate/Indenpendant. And the only
one with all the qualitifications.Private Business Sector.Executive Branch as Utah Governor.and International as the U.S.
Ambassador to China.But the Tea Party is not seriously interested in
winning anything.They focus all their firepower on Political purism,
slogans, and making a Statement.IMO - Michele Bachmann makes Sarah
Palin look Presidential.
Romney looked and acted presidential. I'm thinking Romney Bachman would be the
best offer for the country, at this time.
"Wins?" How can either of two losers "win?"
If Romney sticks to economic issues he's got a real chance, but if he lets
himself get mired down in partisan politics and social issues he can kiss it all
The super pacs funded by the super rich will rule the Republican nomination -
and that will be Perry.
Why was Perry in California while Texas was burning?
Rick Perry is distancing himself from a book HE wrote last year. He is a bigger
flip flopper than Mitt. He is a champion of chrony capitalism. The kind that
led Gw Bush to give mo bid contracts to Halliburton and Blackwater fleecing the
American taxpayer. Perry is Bush 2
To David King:Ron Paul wins every single poll after a debate that
asks that question. Is that because he really "won" the debate, or
because there is an organized effort of libertarians who know how to use these
internet polls to make it look like everyone loves Ron Paul?
Perry made Mitt's case when Perry said that Mitt created alot of jobs in the
private sector but didn't create that many while governor. That's correct. The
private sector creates the jobs, the government does not. The government can
create the proper atmosphere for the private sector, but it is up to the private
sector to create jobs. Besides, MA was at "full employment" and
really didn't need to create jobs during Romney's tenure.
'Perry and Romney stood next to each other on the debate stage at the Ronald
Reagan Presidential Library, a setting that invoked the memory of the
conservative Republican who swept to two terms as president.' - Article A 'conservative Republican', Ronald Regan, who... TRIPLED the
national debt... and raised the debt ceiling...18 times.
Even George W. Bush only raised it...seven times. Obama..two. *'Poll: Less than half of GOP primary voters satisfied with 2012 field'
- By Mark Murray - NBC News - 06/15/11 *'GOP race narrows, but
there's still no front runner' - By Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers -
Published by DSNews - 08/14/11
'Bachman also said she would provide the "strong, bold leader in the
presidency who will lead" the effort to repeal the health care law...' -
Article *'CBO: Health care repeal would increase deficit' - By
Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press - 01/06/11 'In a letter
to Boehner, budget office director Douglas Elmendorf estimated repeal would
increase the deficit by $230 billion from 2012 to 2021...' Source?
Congressional Budget Office. Why would you want to ADD $230 billion
to the national debt. While... *'Bachmann's husband got
$137,000 in Medicaid funds' - By Michael Isikoff - MSNBC - 06/28/2011 *'FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows' - By Jim Drinkard - AP -
Published by DSNews - 06/28/11 'WASHINGTON Michele Bachmann's claim
that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been
subsidized by the government (sic) The farm, which was owned by her
father-in-law (sic) The farm also received federal crop and disaster
subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working
Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments.'
'"Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt,"
Perry jabbed in the debate's opening moments...' - Article *'Let
Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08 *'Mitt
Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer,
Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11 'Employees who lost
jobs at Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago say they still hold
Romney responsible."I would not vote for him for anything," said
Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...' Mitt Romney on Job
creation: From 2003-2007 job growth....0.9%. In rankings with the
rest of the country...MA was 47th in Job creation when Mitt Romney was there. - Think Progress Travis Waldron 06/02/11 Supported... in the very article your reading!
We can choose a candidate that promises 100% lifelong employment; or we can
choose a candidate who promises 100% lifelong UNEMPLOYMENT.It is the
difference between enslavement for a lifetime or true freedom for a lifetime.It is the difference between continuing the same lifestyle that created
our many problems or turning back to the land, create a garden paradise
lifestyle that quickly and easily ends wars, immigration, pollution to air,
land, water and food that causes disease in young and old, inequality, financial
insecurity and unfair and expensive social welfare programs that increase costs
with big government payrolls.IF our candidates refuse to save us
from our own ignorance and bondage, it is time to find a candidate who
understands God's wisdom in living off the land and knows how to transition us
'Far more than in earlier GOP debates this summer, the candidates mixed it up in
their first faceoff since Perry entered the race and almost instantly overtook
Romney as front-runner in opinion polls.' - Article *'Perry likely
can beat Romney, but he can't win' - By Kathleen Parker, Washington Post -
Published by DSnews - 08/30/2011 'WASHINGTON Rick Perry's rapid lead
over previous Republican front-runner Mitt Romney was predictable. But it is not
a good sign for Republicans hoping to reclaim the White House and further
highlights the crucial battle within GOP circles: Who is the godliest of us
I would take Huntsman so far. I like what he has to say and especially like how
cultured he is. Romney ... could never do it. Far too religious and that's
certainly going to affect his politics. In fact, many of the candidates in the
GOP this year are far too religious. Huntsman has my interest currently.
I would take either Romney, Cain, or Huntsman and be happy. I believe Romney has
the best potential to beat obama.A Romney/Marco Rubio ticket would
guarantee a victory.
For anyone wanting Huntsman to run as and Independent:If he was to
break away from the GOP an go it on his own, two things will almost certainly
happen.1. He, or any GOP going independent, will pull maybe 3-5% of
the GOP vote.2. That act will help ensure a Democrat victory next
year.My take on the debates was that it was one big commercial for
Romney and Perry, and that's a shame because it shouldn't be a competition of
Bachmann "has a habit (a bad one) of not really answering a fair amount of
questions in a not-straight-forward/evasive way"Yes, she
answered what she wanted to answer, not what was asked.Where did she
learn that? Why it was none other than Sarah Palin.Sarah did that
quite effectively in the Biden debate.
MSNBC had a poll asking who won the debate. Users were required to have a
profile to vote and could only vote once. When I voted there were 65,326 votes
cast. 30,627 said that Ron Paul won the debate. Second was Mitt Romney with
12,904 votes. Rick Perry was third with just under 10,000. Interestingly, I
see much more in this article about Perry and Romney than Paul. In fact, the
only thing stated about Paul was that he was there. If half of those who
answered poll thought Ron Paul won, doesn't that mean he probably said something
of substance, or at least something worth repeating? If we don't hold the media
to a higher standard than this, we will get what we deserve. Media anointed and
selected candidates, who are in the pockets of corporations and special
Mitt is so slick, and that's problem #1.Problem #2 is that he's one
part RINO (Republican in name only) as evidenced by his defense of Social
Security, calling Medicare and Medicaid "good programs", squishy on
climate change, forcing an individual mandate to buy health insurance on
Massachusetts citizens, putting a salary cap of $200,000 in his new program for
those who will have no tax on savings or capital gains, and the list goes on and
on. This is why he can't fire up the base. He's not a true Reagan conservative.
Rick Perry, on the other hand, is willing to take tough stands and
demonstrate a clear difference between the Republicans and the Democrats in this
election.He will in fact appeal to moderates and Democrats, because this
election is going to be about jobs, the economy, and personal survival, and not
differences of opinion on evolution and climate change.
Just say NO to another Teaxas Governor/former college cheerleader, the last one
named W Bush spent 6 TRILLION and Perry will do the same. He talks tough but
had no problem going to the piggy trough for 17 BILLION in federal funds while
One thing for sure about this current group of GOP unMitt candidates: they make
Reagan seem presidential. I would like to administer truth serum to them and
listen to them spill: that would be amusing. Only whites should be president.
Only people with money deserve health care. The middle class should get jobs
not careers. Rick once shot a sand hill crane while duck hunting.
Ya know, I like what Bachmann stands for but I've watched her now in several
interviews and 2 GOP debates and she has a habit (a bad one) of not really
answering a fair amount of questions in a not-straight-forward/evasive way and
then, in addition to that, launching in on an "I'm great" monologue.
Yes, all politicians do that quite a bit but from what I've seen, she does it
more than the other GOP candidates...it's as if her record is weak and she
doesn't have facts/achievements to fall back on.One who does seem to
speak intelligently and to answer the question head on is Newt Gingrich.Personally, I like Romney, Newt and Herman Cain. I like Ron Paul, too,
except for the fact that he'd allow Iran to have nuke weapons. (No way I'd
allow that! RP's in la-la land if he thinks that is OK.)BTW,
mainstream media wants everyone to believe that Republicans are really
dissapointed in the field of candidates. However, that's a bunch of baloney.
Every single conservative I talk to, and I mean every one, would gladly vote for
any on the stage tonight other than Obama.
I think ArizonaDad was right - the moderators were in there just to create
hostility between the candidates (what would you expect of NBC and
Politico?)Most of the candidates did a good job of presenting ideas versus
griping at each other. IDEAS and PLANS will carry the day. Voters can see the
difference between plans and griping.
Those wanting Mr. Huntsman to run as an independent are wrong. He would only
take the election away from the Republican nominee and give it to the current
occupant of the Oval Office. Look at the polls -- 40% approve of the job
President Obama is doing, yet in head-to-head against Romney he gets 47-48%, as
does Romney. He beats all the other Republicans. So I would suspect he will get
that much in the general election. No way could an independent get enough of the
Republican votes and whatever others (Independents/Democrats) in order to come
up with more. Our only hope is for the Republican nominee to be determined early
and all the others to get behind him/her.
All of these candidates are better than what's in office now. They appear, proud
of their country.
Rick Perry scares me more than the current administration. He is like George
Bush Jr. on steroids. Bachmann is even worse. I'd take Huntsman or Romney over
either of those two. Hunstman would get my vote today.
Can anyone tell me the price to put a fence along the southern USA border????Is it like 2600 miles??? What is your estimate??? 500 billion??? 100
billion??? If we built it I do think it would make a better case for
Obamacare-----then health care would only be for citizens and not for anyone
else, (with no fence it does affect hospitals and schools on the southern
border) I'm glad it was brought up that 1986 was the last year we did
anything on immigration-----the Hispanics coming to this great country, in my
view, is as important as the pilgrims coming on the Mayflower. Our country
needs good food and more dancing. (we are too serious)
I think my comment disappeared.Romney won hands down.He was articulate,
focused on the other debaters when they spoke, showing that he was listening to
them and showing them respect. He looked Presidential and he was not flustered
or mean. His answers were spot on.I wanted to vote for Rubio/West but
obviously I won't get to, so I'm warming up to Romney and will crawl over glass
to vote for him over obama.Huntsman should primary obama!
Being an old retired guy, whoever is elected wont affect me. My children are all
for Mitt Romney. He is truly the only hope for America as I see it. My beef is
with the ultra rich. I consider their actions closer to treasonous than any
other action. They outsourced jobs to increase their share of wealth. They send
their capital overseas to avoid taxes. Yet we sacrifice our sons and daughters
to protect their lavish life styles in this country. We coddle them and all of
the Republicans are trying to bribe them to create jobs in the country where
they reside. Money is all that matters to them. There is something dreadfully
wrong when an individual can make millions selling securities derived from liar
loan mortgages, and make billions betting against the soundness of those
mortgages. These individuals had such a stranglehold on our economy that we
taxpayers paid the company that took the bets to prevent them from defaulting on
those bets. Our ultra rich, with few exceptions, are the biggest enemies of our
America. Unless we stop their control of our government things will only get
Huntsman had the best performance. He should quit the Republican Party
immediately and run as an independent. Moderates, i.e. the majority of
Americans, are entirely unrepresented in Washington. I believe if Huntsman were
to run as an independent, he would win the whole shebang.
Perry wants to trash Medicare and I think that will turn off many GOP voters ,
and come real election time it will offend undecided vote, as they are not in
tune with what Perry is thinking yet. He is way right wing and is busy
garnering votes from the south as they will be needed for him to come out ahead
at election time.Mitt has his well to do friends and he has
announced he will cut their taxes, and his too.Mitt supposedly has
the better chance to defeat Obama but the cost is too high. We do need change
and Mitt has proven by hiring Bush's old economic adviser it will be business as
usual in Washington. Frightening.Huntsman may need some help but
his still is a voice of reason in this teapot that is boiling. He has a proven
record of creating jobs, he has international experience and is not afraid to
take on the president.I was not impressed that Perry can come across
to the independent voter and without those he cannot beat Obama.
I saw it entirely differently.I thought that all eight were civil,
intelligent, and for the most part were trying to avoid the fights that the
"moderators" were trying to pick.All in all, I feel that
the eight represent a very strong and diverse field of candidates, and I will be
able to support the winner or survivor, whomever it may be.One thing
that I wish SOMEBODY had said: When the moderators kept trying to put words in
their mouths, stating that the individual mandate was the core of their
objection to Obamacare, or their only objection, SOMEBODY needed to say that it
isn't that way at all. Even if the Supreme Court struck down the individual
mandate and left the rest intact, not one of the eight would say "okay.
Good enough", or would leave Obamacare in place as the foundation, with
changes. The problem with Obamacare is that it is a highjacking of one-seventh
of the economy, giving unprecedented power to those least able to restrain
themselves, and is unconstitutional from top to bottom.
It appeared that perry and Rommney were the heavyweight sluggers and the only
other one smart enough to compete was Newt. The rest of the candidates should
go home. I really liked Perry's answers to the use of capitol punishment and
What a mistake that all the local tv stations only carried fluff while MSNBC
carried the debate. My 87-year old mother called to ask what station it was on;
she doesn't have cable. KSL 5 carried "Minute to Win It" instead of
the debate. KUTV said they normally wouldn't carry it because it's "just
the primaries." So I guess nothing matters until after the primary
el;ection is over, huh? I wonder if Rod Decker would agree with that. I guess no one cares really, do they, so we'll just re-up with O'Bama
and his train-wreck of a government.And all this time I thought
ordinary persons deserved better. Silly me.......
OK Mr. Huntsman, if you are as bright as you appear to be, you learned tonight
to get out, re-trench and get focused on running as an Independent. I'm not so
confident you will do this. Why? Because it was sad to see that you were lofted
a softball with the question about your opponents' collective intelligence, and
you dodged it. Oh well, maybe a 2nd term Obama will bring the hope and promise
those who voted for him expected in the first term.