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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 7 2011 3:22 p.m. MDT

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MiP
Iowa City, IA

"Has BYU proven it can play in the Big 12? Scheduling OU and Texas on down years is lucky."

Moderate, they didn't schedule those teams on down years. One of the wins vs OU was a bowl game, the other was a year many projected OU to compete for a NC. When BYU scheduled Texas this year, the longhorns were a top-10 team year after year. While it's debatable about how good those teams were, their scheduling was on the up and up.

BYU has proven they can play, and beat, Big-12 teams. 8-3 since the 80's isn;t a huge "n", but it should be enough to convince people they belong.

But it seems like some people will never get enough proof. Just like Utah has to prove themselves once more vs USC, just like Boise had to prove themselves once more vs Georgia, just like BYU will have to prove itself once more vs Texas. It doesn't end for these folks always needing a sign.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The mothership is reporting that if Oklahoma commits to the Big 12 and Texas A&M leaves for the SEC, the Big 12 is going to pursue BYU as a 10th member and that "there was strong interest from the Cougars".

If that happens it will be: So long WCC, thanks for nothing.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

JohnInSLC

The WCC has known from day 1 that BYU would leave the WCC if the Cougars were invited to join a BCS conference. BYU will play at least one season in the WCC, and it's possible that BYU could even leave some of their minor sports like tennis and women's soccer in the WCC as an associate member. Regardless, I'm sure BYU will offer a nice parting gift to the WCC, like agreeing to continue television some of their sports, like the WCC basketball tournament, on BYUtv.

niners
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Congrats from a true Ute fan to BYU's football program for even being considered to join the BIG 12. This shows the respect their football program has earned over a long period of time and they are being recognized. Although I must say, the Independent idea isn't looking as bad as I thought it would, they should probably consider trying it for a few years, especially considering the Big 12 looks like a sinking ship.

Chad S
Derby, KS

BYU only joins the Big XII if the Big XII is willing to allow the current TV deal with ESPN and BYUtv to continue uninterrupted. Scheduling home games at LES has to be really the only plus to come from joining the Big XII, a conference that looks to be imploding before our eyes. Basketball schedules would improve as well, though the bottom of the Big XII is probably worse than the bottom of the MWC or WCC for that matter.

Papa Smurf UTE
Herriman, UT

Striker,

Notre Dame does have their own Network. It is called NBC. They dont need to have their own network on a small TV station that no one knows about. NBC is a big name, everyone has that channel, and everyone knows Notre Dame.

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

BO diddely tech I believe most Ute fans belittle BYU's NC because they played a mediocre Michigan Team in the Holiday bowl giving them and undefeated season, which the voters then gave BYU the national championship. Yet, those same Ute fans, continue to point out their two BCS games, yet fail to acknowledge that Utah beat a mediocre Michigan team, which helped them be unbeaten. Too many of the Ute Fans are looking through a glass darkly and fail to recognize the beam in their eyes while trying to point out a mote in BYU's eyes.
Here is a quote concerning that Michigan team. "Rodriguez's first season was one of adjustment, with Michigan suffering its first losing season since 1967, and more losses (9) in a single season than in any other in the program's 129 year history."

My question to you and other BYU haters is this? Why is Utah's undefeated season so glorious, so miraculous and so stellar when they beat a team that went 3-9 while BYU's season was nothing when they beat Michigan who had a 7-5 season and became NC.

Sounds like a lot of pure hypocrisy to me on your part.

RepresentBlue
West Jordan, UT

Chad S,

The home football schedule is not the only thing that would improve if BYU were to join the Big XII. Their bowl opportunities would improve immensely as well. Right now BYU will play in the same lower tier bowl if they finish 11-1 or 6-6. An 11-1 record in the Big XII, though admittedly harder to achieve, gets you into a BCS bowl, and possibly even the NC game. But the biggest danger to BYU is if the Big XII implodes it will set off the super-conference arms race and BYU will be left behind and forced to play a majority of mid-major opponents from then on, especially in Provo, since the teams from super-conferences will play 9-10 conference games per year, and will not want to go on the road to play a tough non-conference opponent that they could quite possibly lose to.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Chad S

If BYU joins the Big 12, they'll either become a full partner in the current television contract, or they'll keep their own ESPN contract until the next Big 12 television contract is negotiated. Either way, BYU will insist on keeping their rebroadcast rights for all BYU sports and the right to broadcast any home games not picked up by their Big 12 television partners.

RepresentBlue
West Jordan, UT

Independence would be a VERY tough row to hoe for BYU in a super-conference landscape, especially if Notre Dame gives up its independence to join one of them (most likely the Big Ten). BYU would be stuck playing teams mostly from the WAC and C-USA, with maybe a couple of teams from the MWC. Meanwhile, their rivals to the north would be playing big name teams USC, ASU, Oregon, and possibly Oklahoma and Texas. This would be a disaster for BYU Football as attendance would gradually start to dwindle, and recruiting would take a big hit. BYU needs to do whatever it can to get into a BCS conference now. They will never get this close again. Holmoe needs to call the Oklahoma AD and do whatever he can to sell BYU and convince the Sooners to stay in the Big XII. They also need to make a big statement this weekend against the Longhorns. This game is the definition of a "money game" and Bronco needs to learn from Boise State that you have to win your money games.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Papa Smurf

"They dont need to have their own network on a small TV station that no one knows about."

BYUtv's "small" station is already available in 60 million homes, 15 million more than Versus, and no doubt is available in millions more homes than the PAC 12 network will ever be available in.

Besides, every fan from an opposing team that plays BYU will quickly learn about the availability of BYUtv. BYU fans worldwide already know about it, and thousands of fans of BYU's opponents will be learning about BYUtv on a weekly basis.

btw, replays of ND games aren't on NBC.

COUGARNATE
Lyman, WY

I love all the utes fans that think they are a national power now, because they are in the pac 12. You are still a regional team that has no draw outside of the state of utah. BYU on the other hand has fans all over the country and draws well everywhere they go. Don't kid yourselves. If Texas would have joined the pac like the pac wanted utah would be in the MWC and so would Boise st, BYU and TCU that is a pretty good conference right there. BYU is the front runner to join the big 12 because Notre Dame won't join and Arkansas is not going to leave the SEC.

Papa Smurf UTE
Herriman, UT

deductive reasoning,

I dont think ND cares if there are replays later on of their games. True fans will watch the game while it is on, or DVR the game, and catch up to it live when they get home. Are all these Y fans going to go re watch a game like last years Utah St game where they got man handled? If you want to re watch the game over and over and over again, just DVR it. I know that AllJazoobie TV is in 60 million homes, but only about 10-12 million actually know that it is there, and if they are not a Y fan or a member of my church, they will not seek it out to watch BYU play. That is why Notre Dame has NBC, and a national following. Everyone stops on NBC on Saturdays to see who is playing. I doubt anyone other than the ones I stated will just STOP on Alljazoobie TV to watch a game. I do think that having your own network is a lot better than the TV they had in the MWC.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"replays of ND games aren't on NBC."

deductive:

Rebroadcasts of Notre Dame home games are seen on Universal HD, the hi-def cable channel owned by NBC and available on virtually every cable and satellite system.

Striker
Omaha, NE

Baby ute,

Clearly, you have no idea what it means to have your own station. BYU can not only show big games they've played, but fans can watch them over and over and over. Not everyone has the luxury of DVR. Not only that, but LDS people all over the world can tune into BYUtv and watch great shows, including conference live. I doubt Catholics can learn about the latest from the pope on NBC 24/7, or see their favorite Catholic shows, movies, news, culture, etc.

Lame bash about the mtn. That only features sports. BYUtv captures everything an active LDS person cares about. That's something the Longhorn Network nor NBC produces. You can hate all you want, but BYUtv is an amazing feature for members of the LDS faith.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

MiP "But it seems like some people will never get enough proof."
Sound like you have enough proof, so I am curious.
BYU in the Big 12. Where do they finish in conference year after year?

Craiger
PASCO, WA

An independent Texas would be awesome! One more quality opponent that would also be looking for Oct-Nov games to fill out their schedule. I'd love to see us playing ND, Navy and Texas (even occasionally Army) on a regular basis.

As far as BYU needing to be a part of the "haves" in a super-conference world, Bronco said as much in a recent interview, also stating that we need to (continue) to prove our relevance on the field. Hopefully we can (continue) to do that this week! Beat Texas!!

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

JohnInSLC

Like I said, ND replays aren't shown on NBC. It doesn't matter who owns the channel, the only thing that matters is the availability of the channel. Log on to BYUtv dot com and you'll see dozens of past BYU games already available, with more and more being added every week. Does Universal HD have a quickly filling archive of past ND games and does it begin replaying ND games almost immediately after the live game ends? Could I watch replays of BYU's wins over Notre Dame in South Bend and in Provo, anytime?

More importantly for Utah fans, will the Utes ever have such access to Utah games?

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Moderate

"Where do they finish in conference year after year?"

Where did they finish year after year in the MWC? In the WAC? Many places, but they averaged between first and second.

Where would they finish in the Big XII, year after year? I'd say probably start with an average between second and third, trending up from there. Depends on who is in the conference.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Moderate

Utah in the PAC X. Where do they finish in conference year after year?

Lately, the Utes have been a 2nd or 3rd place finisher, but prior to 2003, the Utes regularly finished 4th, 5th, or even lower. Will Utah fans consider Utah's move to the PAC X a bust if the Utes become perennial 6th or 7th place finishers?

For a team that's only won 6 WAC/MWC championships in the last 60 years, I wouldn't be too all-fired-up confident that the Utes will ever be regular conference favorites in the PAC 12, and likely never conference favorites in a Texas/Oklahoma dominated division of the PAC 16.

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