I am an active member of the LDS church. I do not wish to be
"represented" by BYU or Mendenhall. I do not want to be associated
with the hypocrisy they emulate.
@fresnogirl -I have not spent much time on the Deseret News site, so
I'm not familiar with most of the particular posters here (besides Hedgehog and
Chris B of course...they have legend status). As a matter of fact, I signed up
just today.I do however have years and years and many thousands of
posts over on cougarboard, and I can tell you, definitively, that there were/are
a lot of BYU fans crying themselves to sleep because of the 'injustice' that was
the grey "Band of Brothers" shirt that Bronco DARED to wear (just like
he did last season, if I remember correctly......).So while you are
maybe correct in the microcosm of this comment section, I still maintain that my
analysis is correct, and that way to many BYU fans are caring way too much about
what our coach wears.
@Linus - yes it is surprising to see LDS people hate BYU. I know those Utes
cringe at thinking their tithing dollars may be supporting the adversary. They
seem to forget that the local cougar fans state taxes are going to the U. Years
ago, I worked for a professor at the U who was also a Bishop and rabid BYU
hater. So much dissonnance is difficult for me to cope with. I don't know how he
did it.I think much of the hate comes from the fact that most Utes will be
asked at some point in their life why they didn't go to BYU. They have to come
up with a reason. Sometimes the reason isn't something they want to admit - so
they latch onto the popular reasons like 'I didn't need to be that insulated' or
'I wasn't desperately for a wife' or 'it isn't accredited'. I can't recall
anyone that goes to BYU required to justify why they didn't go to the U.
@representblue - I think if you reread the comment about pharisees - it was not
an accusation directed towards those that don't like the shirt. I was trying to
point out the problem of judging others by our own standards. It's great to be
stone cold sober. It's great that the university is recognized by that as well.
It is bad when students pride themselves in the status and place themselves
above others because of the honor code. The honor code is one of the main
reasons to go to BYU, unless it fills you with pride.
sfurulesHmmm ... having read the comments, I think the majority of
the people who even care what he wears (except Katie who REALLY likes the
t-shirt) are not Cougar fans. They are the same sad Utes who whine and complain
about the minutia of everything Cougar. Last year they were busy calling for
Bronco to be fired and trying to convince everyone that Cougar fans wanted him
fired. Then they were the same ones who spent enormous amount of server space
trying to convince everyone that Coach Rose was heading north.Seems
like a waste of energy to me.
It is puzzling to me to read comments from Latter-day Saints who say that Bronco
and BYU don't represent them or their church. President Gordon B. Hinckley
stated that Brigham Young University is a part of the church. Every worthy and
contributing member of the church supports BYU financially, and helps to provide
an education for every BYU student.When will you learn how to cheer
for more than one university on the planet? For a variety of valid reasons, a
majority of my eleven children graduated from the University of Utah. We have
many Ute fans in our family. Although a minority graduated from BYU, we are
Latter-day Saints, so we are all Cougar fans. Why choose to be haters? I don't
It's things like this that drive me nuts about BYU fans...and I am a HUGE BYU
fan. Seriously? You think anyone cares what a coach wears during a
football game? You really think that someone in Mississippi was watching the
game and thought, "Boy, I sure hate those Mormons because their coach wore
a T-shirt....". And that's the funny part...all of the outrage comes
because of what you assume OTHER people think...not because of what you actually
think. Get over the persecution complex already...Many BYU fans
have a complete inability to understand how we are perceived in the world and
the REASONS for those perceptions. If someone doesn't like BYU it has nothing
to do with the shirt that our coach wore. And conversely...if someone loves
BYU, THEY DON'T CARE WHAT SHIRT THE COACH WEARS.The people who think
Bronco did some horrible thing by wearing that shirt (even though it has BIG
meaning to the kids on the team), probably are the same people that think that
if you have facial hair, or wear something other than a white shirt to church
that you are less worthy to be there....
It's also been Bronco's tradition to never wash his ball cap during the season.
I wonder if that's true for the t-shirt? We'll find out on Saturday in Austin.
Henry DrummondI Loved the fedora comment. Too funny!====SammFanI don't know what you are talking about. His
T-shirt fits fine. Don't believe me? On Saturday, when they show him on the
sideline raising his fist in solidarity like he does when his boys do good, turn
and ask the female sitting next to you if his t-shirt fits him well....As far as the suits go, I've noticed that really muscular guys have a hard
time finding shirts that fit, because if they fit them in the shoulders then the
necks are too big.
The t-shirt is fine...but not the t-shirt tucked into slacks. Gotta go one way
or the other, Bronco.Love Band of Brothers and what you're doing
with the team, though.
It never amazes me the comments in this section from so called Trolls and the
Zoobies. There are a few utah fans out of control that are looking only to get a
reaction from the Y fans. I do not understand why the uproar of some Y fans that
Bronco wears a tshirt with a slogan. Many universities have so called slogans or
sayings that they have used to motivate and gel their players. Some have had
these traditional phrases for some time such as Utah man am I or Rise and shout
the cougars are out. It is irritating to me to see BYU zoobies on their soap
boxes whining about a tshirt when it is the mans actions that tell you more
about who he is. Some would probably like to see Bronco in a white shirt, tie
and suit on the sidelines with a little black nametag. Bronco represents BYU
well. He is a good fit as 'Bishop' of the program. Bronco does not represent me
as a member of the church and neither does BYU. IF there are players that make a
mistake it may reflect poorly on this institution, but it does not represent me
I like the shirt and what it means. I think he should wear a fedora though and
then challenge Dick Harmon figure out what it means. :-)
A lot of absolutes used by people in this thread. Pharisees? Whited sepulchures?
Really? Let's dial down the rhetoric just a tad folks. If Bronco wants to wear
the gray t-shirt then fine, I just don't think it looks professional. I am not
saying he is a sinner or he is misrepresenting the LDS church or anything as
dramatic as that. I would simply prefer he dressed more professionally when he
is going to be seen by millions of people all over the country. But if wearing a
gray t-shirt on the sidelines is going to help him bond with his players and win
more games then so be it.
I can't believe Bronco wore a t-shirt!! That's it...I'm going inactive!!!
Can we get him a T-Shirt that fits, though? I'm alarmed with myself that I was
thinking about his shirt but I thought the same thing during the Pre-game show
when he was in his suit. Bronco - you're awesome! and I'm down with
the T-Shirt style/statement/concept... HOWEVER, get some friendly - but expert -
fashion advice about the suit and tie and the shirt size. Go Cougars!
A tee-shirt-wearing football coach looks a lot smarter and fashionable than one
wearing a suit with a tie. Now that looks dorky on the sideline.Carry on Bronco and Go Cougars!
As a church member, I'm frankly embarrassed by all the silly comments
criticizing Bronco for attire that doesn't properly represent the church or BYU.
Your comments, rather than the t-shirt, harm the reputation of the church and
its members, portraying us as superficial, petty, and self-righteous. The
t-shirt represents all that's good about Bronco and BYU footballAnd
Kyle's goatee rocks too!And the Ute trolls need to get a job and a life.
Seriously?! In 2 days, Utah face USC and BYU faces Texas and THIS is what we are
worried about?! So Bronco wears t-shirts. Majerus wore ugly
sweaters. Who cares?
I still wear my Quest for Perfection T-shirt under my suit every Sunday because,
well as we all have been told, it has nothing to do with winning games
(obviously), it's about trying to be perfect in all that you do.On another
note, does anyone know that last BYU qb to lose to both Utah and Utah State in
the same season (before Heaps of course)? Was it John Walsh?
This is sporting event, not a musical. I've never figured out why a coach is
expected to wear a suit and tie. A polo shirt with the same saying isn't the
same. The grey t shirt is what you wear at practice and while working hard.
The coach wants to show he is working hard and expects the same from his team.
Whatever would Dick Harmon write about if he didn't have the Utes' comments on
the BYU boards to give him ideas? Seriously, the only folks who
pretend to care about this are the trolls. They've attacked his t-shirt because
they can't attack his coaching. As one poster stated on a different article: I
guess I must have missed the pre-game red carpet show!
@ RepresentBlueYou're fired for that comment!
I like the shirt, and the coach. He's a good one.
@ GoGetter The church owns your cultural hall. What is appropriate
attire while playing b-ball or v-ball in the gym? Please, folks, let's judge the
man by the content of his character and by his behavior...not by the color or
quality of his t-shirt. Should we swap the Nike swoosh for an emblem of the
Angel Moroni? Let's let character shine...not outward appearance.
From Old Cougar to Mature Y Fan: Lighten up. He's a football coach forging a
bond with his players. No one with any sense will think less of BYU or of
Mormons because Bronco wears a T-shirt. Give me a break.
Bronco can wear whatever shirt he wants as far as im concerned, he is one
heckuva coach and a perfect fit at BYU. I like that he considers himself equal
to the players, thats a great amount of team unity that you dont often see and
when a coach has as much trust and respect in and from his players as Bronco
does that is a great sign.
at Y Grad/Y Dad-I appreciate your perspective. Well said.Go Cougars!
And to think I never gave it a second thought. I was too into the game to care.
Go Bronco and go Cougars.
There isn't anything wrong with Bronco Mendenhall wearing a T-Shirt. The shirt
does not look sloopy. NO way. I'll tell ya, what looks sloopy Ex-ND Coach when
he was walking across the field! BTW I'd like to buy couple of
those T-shirts. They're cool...
@ UtahBronco: guess it's a good thing Bronco isn't wearing the shirt for you
then. Pretty sure neither he nor his players are at all concerned with what you
think of their attire.
You had to know the Ute trolls couldn't resist this one. Gotta hand it to them,
they never disappoint. And there is no depth they wont sink to in order to
insult a good man and football coach.
Look, folks, it isn't just a t-shirt with an emotional slogan. You forget that
Bronco EARNS the right to wear that t-shirt. He pushes himself, he competes
with the players, he runs the mountain. None of this, "do as I say,"
stuff.This is why he turned the defense around. He earned their
respect and their trust BEFORE he demanded more of them than they thought they
had.The shirt is just the surface of what is real underneath. You
may mock if you wish, because they don't care. You may criticize to whoever you
think will listen, but if they understand how Bronco exercises leadership, they
won't listen to you.I'd like to get a shirt too. I haven't earned
the right to wear it, but somehow, I think these men will not be as critical of
who wears the shirt as some of you have been.
I am a fashion conscious woman who has watched a lot of football over many, many
years and have never once noticed what the coach was wearing. It's football,
not a fashion show. Do all of you people who are commenting negatively on what
Bronco wears, understand how utterly elitist snotty you sound? Seriously? Who
@ BYUCOLORADO 4:32 pmAs an LDS person (and not a BYU fan) I never
considered that Bronco represents me (as one of "all of the Mormons").
What am I missing? FWIW, my opinion is that the tee shirt comes across as
corny and sophomoric. Anyway, best wishes to the Cougars vs. Texas.
So, the white shirt and tie crowd want a person who works outside, to dress up
and represent the church properly?I get tired of people worrying
what others choose to wear.I think Bronco looks great (and I like
Kyle's "Van Dyke"...)
Anyone here remember the Washington game in 1996?(I still have nightmares
myself) I read in the Herald afterwards that players reported fighting before
the game about which socks to wear with the road whites uniforms. Talk about a
lack of proper focus. That game broke my heart as a cougar fan who was just too
young to remember the only undefeated season in BYU history. 14-1 is great, but
15-0 would have been better. All of this talk about style, and clothing is
pointless! Look what it did in '96! Focus on the defense, the offense, the
special teams, and taking every game as serious as the National Championship,
because that's literally what it is. Lose that focus, and we're just another
I was in Walmart the other day and came across some printed tee-shirts that,
from the front, looked like a tuxedo. Complete with tie, hanky in the breast
pocket, white shirt, the works. Ahhh...Bronco?
It says in the article that most other coaches are wearing polo shirts, etc. but
Bronco isn't most other coaches.
If my memory serves me correctly, one of the most appropriately attired college
coaches (hint: crimson sweater vest & tie) is not who most people want
representing their school or coaching their kids. I think it's great that Bronco
doesn't care what some stuffed shirts think about his game day shirt. All he
cares about is forging a bond with his players, and winning games. I'd much
rather have a plainly dressed warrior, than a properly attired loser. Can you
say Jim Tressel???
The real question is where can I get one of those for game day?
Has anyone checked out what all the other coaches of other sports at BYU wear?
Check out women's softball, soccer and other sports! Check out other
Universities!I think he looks fine and is connecting with his
Since Shakespeare's Harry invokes the phrase before the Battle of Agincourt and
Stephen Ambrose made it the title of his book about Easy Company, 506th Regiment
of the 101st Airborne...isn't Bronco's use of the phrase clearly hyperbole.But then being hyperbolic is something folks in Happy Valley do so well.
Especially those who wear the blue. .
I get what people are saying in terms of representing the Church and what not,
but this is also football. It's not about his appearance, but what his style of
dress represents and how it has brought the BYU defense together. Ask any leader
of the church, including the President, or the Quorom of the Twelve if they feel
that leading by example is the best form of leadership, and they would agree
with you. Mendenhall has done that, and his players have bought into what BYU
stands for, how their style of play should be, and would run through a wall for
him. The mental concepts of what Coach Mendenhall has taught his players,
playing 100% until the last down, is what won them the game on last Saturday.Go Cougs! Go beat Texas!
"Best defensive coach in the country?" I'd give that title to Nick
So can't he wear a nice shirt over it like his players? I made this exact
comment to those who were watching the game with me...."what's up with the
t-shirt?" I think it looks real tacky!
I laughed when I saw how Bronco was dressed at Oxford. He looked grungy, in a
word.The message is great. That shirt is ugly!
Go, Bronco!! And the bit o' Shakespeare ain't bad either.
My first thought when I saw Bronco in a t-shirt was "Yes!" And the
symbolism is important. You naysayers wear your fashion statments. Bronco has
more important things to worry about on game day, like the synergism with his
players. They'll wear ties to church, don't worry about that. The symbolic
battles are on a football field, not a fashion runway. I hope BYU never goes
the way of Oregon or Maryland fashion consciousness. The cheerleaders and band
can dress up. Let the players work ethic be their statment. BTW Bronco, a
hoodie will be fine when the snow starts falling...
I like the t-shirt but I think it would all look better and unified if the
entire coaching staff wore the same t-shirt.
I think it's great. Bronco wears his beliefs on the sleeve (and his upper torso)
and it's great to see it. But I have to agree with some others...why do we care?
People pretty much know how Bronco is mand people either love him or not. For
me, he's awesome.
I like how Bronco represents the school and all of the Mormons. He does it with
how he lives his life and not by a sweater vest and tie. He isn't helping solve
a merger or acquisition, he is coaching a sports team. I am glad he doesn't take
himself too seriously. Let's not worry about what clothes people are
wearing, ever. Reminds me of Jesus' words concerning the "whited
sepulchers." I remember I heard the phrase "every member a mission
president" a lot when I was a missionary which was a comment on how members
wanted to always make sure the missionaries were living according to how the
members wanted them to live. You could replace that here with "every fan an
athletic director." How about we let Tom and Bronco decide how they want to
conduct themselves and not worry about what clothes Bronco wears. Give me a
Bronco should wear whatever inspires him and motivates his team. The great thing
about him is that he could not possibly care less what you or I think about what
he wears.Sweater vests are for sissies!
At least he doesn't have a stupid goatee. Show me one coach of a promotable
program who has a goatee. There are none. I know the goatee is a Utah fashion
statement (especially for football coaches), but it's time to shave that thing
off Kyle; you aren't 25 anymore.
One thing that every student, alumni and fan of BYU could do to improve the
image of the school is to eliminate our pharisaic tendencies. Out of fear
of being disobedient, the pharisees created a stricter code of behavior for
themselves. Distancing themselves from sin was the plan for being clean. The sin
of the pharisees is not that they hold themselves to a higher standard - it is
that they hold others to their arbitrarily chosen standard. The Lord's refusal
to uphold those standards got him killed for Sabbath breaking.Countless
times fans insinuate that their beer drinking friends to the north are somehow
children of a lesser god. Drinking beer is only a sin if you are a Mormon. It's
only a sin because you have commit not to do it. Stop holding ourselves up
as 'a light' to the world. Integrity is sufficient. Holding ourselves up as
examples for others reaks of self-righteousness and is destined to expose
hippocricy at some point.Do the right thing because it is right - not
because you believe you should be a good example. Do the right thing for the
right reason; because it's right.
I am not a fan of the gray t-shirt. I get what Bronco is trying to do to build a
rapport with his players, but I think it is unprofessional of him to wear that
attire on national TV when he is representing BYU. You look at all the other
coaches and they are wearing nice blue polo shirts, and look more professional.
If I wore a shirt like that to my job I would be fired.
I drove 8+ hours to Mississippi for the game. I was fortunate to also attend the
fireside on Friday evening. I will tell you that Coach wore a suit and gave an
excellent talk. I was able to talk to him afterward and he signed my BYU flag. I
think for game day he should wear what he feels is appropriate as he did during
the fireside. Don't you think if it was inappropriate that the AD would tell
him? By the way, the game was a blast. I wish it wouldn't have taken to
the 4th quarter to take the lead, but a win is a win. The Ole Miss fans were
respectful, I didn't here a single negative word, nothing like attending a game
at Utah. I've been there, done that too.
wly123 - Thanks for the background. Helped me understand the tee-shirt better.
Bronco might think about not tucking the tee-shirt in though -- bad
I would like it if Whittingham wore a red polo shirt that said, "Band of
Sisters." That would honor Utah women's sports in general.
If you understand the story behind the quote, it is easy to see what Bronco is
saying. On Saint Crispins day,(October 25), in 1415 at the Battle of Agincourt
in France, with about 12,000 English long bowmen and knights, King Henry V,
faced a French army of about 33,000. Henry won. Legend has it the night before
the battle Henry was asked if he wished he had more men. Henry said no, and
offered safe passage for any who did not have the heart to fight and die with
him he didnt want them to cheapen his coming victory. He went on to talk about
the bravery and strength of his men and his total confidence in them. He ends
his speech with the idea that future generations will remember and revere the
courage and deeds Henry and his men accomplished on St Crispins day: And
Crispin [day] shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But
we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he
to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
"I have no problem with Coach Mendenhall wearing his t-shirt symbolizing
his bond with his defense as long as he wears it under a more fitting attire
that displays to the country the image that I believe the university should
represent"Hey dude: we'll let you have your opinion.The t-shirt rocks. Let's poll the players - see what they say.
Maybe he should wear a tuxedo and tails and also lead the band. This is
football people, not sunday school. I am not a huge fan of The Look (t-shirt,
bulky headset, cord and belt hung transever, hat brim festooned with stickers),
but maybe he could get long sleeves for that shirt and be like a Bo Pelini minus
the big mouth. Loved the Jim Tressel sweater vest comment...see where that got
Nobody rocks the grey BOB t-shirt like Bronco. He's a unique coach in charge of
a very unique program. He should wear what makes him comfortable.
Excellent article, thanks!
I really don't see a problem with a coach wearing a t-shirt.... however, if it
is the school owned by the church, I do believe he should have upgraded a little
bit, polo shirt would have been just fine.And it seems like it's
another slow day in the newsroom huh, Dick?Stories of fashion
Who cares that he wears a T-shirt people!! His dress does not depict his
representation of the church; however, his charcter, morals, work ethic and
integrity do. Hes not at church or a business meeting.
As long as it works, use it. By the way, Is it possible the rest of us can get
I agree with more mature Y fan. That's fine if you want to wear the T-shirt
underneath more appropriate attire. A shirt and tie would be nice but a polo
shirt would suffice. We had a large group here watching the game and there were
several comments about the T-shirt being inappropriate. Even Jim Tressel wore a
sweater vest.As head coach, you are representing the university and
the church. The T-shirt looked sloppy. The team played the way the coach looked.
Hopefully both will look better against Texas.
I don't care what he wears. The players like it and the players follow him.
Now go beat Texas!
Bronco says and does a lot of things that are annoying to a lot of Utah fans and
BYU fans alike but what T shirt he wears is not one of them. Most of the
complaints about Bronco stem from his "unique" phrases, speaking style
and what is percieved as his condesention. His philosophy and his dress are not
every really in question. I have a feeling that most BYU fans would not mind if
he rolled out in some sweatpants and flip flops as long as he keeps his overall
philosophy and winning ways.
I think Bronco Mendenhall is the best college football coach. I love how he
embraces that BYU is different than other programs, instead of apologizing for
it. What he has done for the program is phenomenal as a head coach and as the
defensive coordinator. If the "Band of Brothers" t-shirt
is to become a regular thing I'd like to suggest he wear navy pants. The khaki
and heather grey combo did not impress.Or perhaps Bronco could talk
to Nike and create a gameday "Band of Brothers" polo.
Don't care what Bronco chooses to wear, if they win. Cougars could benefit from
working smarter, not always harder. They might have been touchdowns ahead of
lower tier SEC team with a much better planned, practiced, & executed
passing attack. Then no need to pull out a defensive win at last minute by the
band of brothers. Defense looked pretty awesome though.
I agree with SoCalUtahFan. maybe bronco ought to wear the slimming black attire
of the crimson utes's man, kyle. he is so pretty and looks so good and hey,
maybe this will help bronco lead the team to a squeaker victory over say,
Bronco wear whatever you want!!! You rock! Play ball!!!
I love the t-shirt? It's a football game, not a fireside.And hey,
it's even a few steps up from that ratty sweatshirt Belicheck wears.
I like it. Bronco has unique qualities that make him a perfect fit as BYU's head
coach. This T-shirt is a part of who he is. I wouldn't if I were him and I am a
big BYU fan, but I support him all the way if that is what he want's to do. They
players seen to understand it and him and that is much more important than what
the detractors or even the fans think.
If t-shirts get wins or bow-ties- whatever works- as for Bronco representing the
Church I think that would be news to many- yes he is visible but again wins will
be more visible and do more than any clothing he happens to wear- well- within
reason I suppose
I think people need to lighten up. BYU represents the LDS church by how their
coaches/athletes behave on and off the field, not because a coach wears a
t-shirt vs. a nylon 'dressier' shirt.
I have no problem with Coach Mendenhall wearing his t-shirt symbolizing his bond
with his defense as long as he wears it under a more fitting attire that
displays to the country the image that I believe the university should
represent. You're not going to the gym to work out, coach. You're
representing all of the millions of members of the LDS Church be they BYU fans
or not. I'm not saying that he should wear a suit but an upgrade in his
appearance certainly would be more on the line with my taste and I believe with
the image that most LDS members would like to see.
The answer is: This is a blue collar team; in the trenches where no glory
exists. You only have your brother to rely on to move on.
That shirt epitomizing Bronco, as well as his natural family
"eclectic" brothers, as well as his promotion/hire of Doman, Cahoon
and "Dupaix" are just some of the reasons I enjoy following BYU
Football.If you don't play hard (cleaned up for DN readers), you
don't play.There is not an entitled coach or player on that football
team.What about Heaps? Heaps showed me he is a competitor, when he
came back after that "pic-6" and competed hard. That is all you can
ask a player to do.
My assistant coach and I used to do things like this to condition our water polo
team, to help make up for obvious lack of talent. Most of our opponents coaches
said our players wore out their players and they had to do a lot of
substitutions. They put in players who rarely got in a match because the first
string was wearing out. We came close to some upsets because of this.
Wouldn't you just be delighted if your son had a coach like Bronco? With all the
stories out there about coaches having alcohol parties, and even call girls for
their players, here is a coach who will help them to be strong physically,
spiritually and morally and teach them to be honorable men. Wow what a jewel!
No one can deny that Bronco is a very good Fashion Coordinator.'Quest, 'Bands are very nice T-shirt designs.On the other hand, I
think Kyle needs to hire a FC for Utah.