Re: JoeBlow | 8:52 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 CNN - ATlanta -About a month
ago, the dams finally burst as commentators gave voice to the concern building
for some time among everyday Americans: Did we elect a president who just
doesn't have what it takes to lead?It didn't help Obama's cause when
John Boehner had to hold his hand and help him schedule his speech with the two
Chamber of Congress. Obama just can't deliver.
Pagan is right about one thing - There isn't a dimes worth of difference between
the mainstream Republicans and Democrats. The actions of BOTH PARTIES are
leading to the loss of our freedoms and prosperity.BOTH PARTIES have
deviated so far from the concept of LIMITED GOVERNMENT as outlined in the
Constitution that the demise of our nation is at hand.Too much of
the discussion in these comments is pitting Republicans against Democrats and
vice versa. What we need is a discussion about returning to the
basics of limited government and not about how BOTH PARTIES can manipulate the
laws to provide special favors to this group or that group.If the
government is going to provide us cradle to grave security, then as a nation we
are finished. Unless we return to a truly LIMITED GOVERNMENT then our days are
numbered.Study the Issues, square them with basic Constitutional
principles of LIMITED GOVERNMENT and then support those who show by their
actions that they will follow those principles, irregardless of public
sentiment, which is largely created by the main stream news media. The Goose that once laid the Golden Eggs is squawking loudly because
Government is choking her.
Re:patriotReagan cut taxes, then raised taxes 11 times, nearly every year
he was in office.Clinton raised tax rates, WITHOUT any Republican
votes.You can put on your rose-colored glasses and pretend
Republicans didn't/dont have anything to do with the current status of the
economy, but the majority of Americans know better. The one thing more
unpopular than the Democrats in Congress are the Republicans in Congress.
Re: JoeBlow | 8:52 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Instead of worrying about how
much Reagan did or did't cut taxes you should thank him for showing the
Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) what a real president
does when a union calls his bluff. He fired every last one of them that didn't
comply with his deadline to go back to work, decertified their union, and
refused to rehire the repentant ones who realized too late that Reagan didn't
bluff.Obama on the other hand has never missed an opportunity to
cave under pressure. It will be his legacy.
So what happens when the $300 billion is spent? Let's say we go ahead with this
and 'put working Americans to work' building bridges and fixing our crumbling
infrastructure. $300 billion isn't going to go very far. So after that is
spent, then what?This plan shows the left either doesn't understand
economics or it just wants to 'Fundamentally Remake America.' We are not a
nation who succeeded because of government. We succeeded in spite of
patriot.Yes, Reagan cut taxes. But the rate he cut them to is above
where they are now.Under Clinton, the tax rates were higher than
they are today.How is it that the economy managed to so well with
taxes higher than today?Why are businesses not hiring today?That is what is so hard to understand.Can you please explain
that? And as far as that "fanatic in the white house"?
Taxes are currently lower under Obama than they were under Clinton, Reagan or
Bush.Something just doesn't square.And Reagan
"removed regulations"?Care to list a few of them that you
feel spurred growth? Or is that just a party line talking point?
I actually really enjoyed the WHAT NOW? tongue-in-cheek at the top of page 2.In response, I wanted to express that it's not that I want Obama to fail
and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make him a one-term president.
It's just that I can't fathom giving him one more American dollar.We've allowed Obama to spend money. Oh boy, has he ever spent money. (Insert
Pagen rant about Bush's high spending here.) And we have very little to show
for it. So we let him spend more money. Again, nothing. And he spent even
more money. Still no consumer confidence. Still no economic growth. Still
extreme unemployment. Do NOT give this president another dollar to spend. He's
Does anyone else see the irony that Pagan's remarks that are so anti-Bush and
anti-Romney are some of the exact same reasons why Obama is an abysmal
failure?More and more of Pagen's rants precede Obama's term as
President, and sound just like the negative campaign Obama led in 2008.Sooner or later, Pagan will realize that both parties are extremely unhappy
with President Obama, just like both parties were so unhappy with the
Republicans in 2008 that we voted for an inexperienced wanna-be.
re:JoeBlowGo back to 1980 if you would and recall the sorry state of
the US economy under Jimmy Carter. What did Reagan do - IMMEDIATELY ? He CUT
TAXES - corporate taxes, individual income taxes and he removed regulations. The
result? Business's started hiring again in mass!! Not sure why basic economics
is so hard for liberals to grasp. And if you want to also take a look at what
happened during the Clinton years (under a GOP congress) with the contract with
America... we got a balanced budget and we sure as heck DID NOT have a president
trying to bankrupt the country with trillions of government borrowed money.
Clinton was a liberal but he was also a practical man that had previously been a
2 term governor and knew how capitalism worked and he WAS NOT a left wing
ideology fanatic as our current White House occupant is! Finally , tell me what
the unemployment rate was from 2002 to 2006? I'll give you a hint - it was under
Why do I know the spending will happen and the cuts never will? He will find a
way to spend, spend, spend. He is irrelevant, time to send him packing.
re:Worf"Does he ever express any love for this country."Well, well. Some things never change, like the ignorant questioning
Obama's love for his country and his patriotism. (When Obama says something his
critics don't like he writes his own speeches, "approved" speeches are
"written for him.") Let's see. Nearly every speech Obama
ends with "God Bless America."Just a few examples from
Obama's Cairo Speech:"The United States has been one of the greatest
sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of
revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are
created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give
meaning to those words - within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped
by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple
concept: E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one." "But my
personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not
come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to
our shores""Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible
from the freedom to practice one's religion."
Wow just what we need another Obama Speech....bet he calls it a BIPARTISAN PLAN,
but not one republican was advised or particiapted in helping him with his
plan....the king has no clothes~
@FDR who says.....There are a number of Republicans who will not attend Obama's
address? Why? We need to call this what is. Racial prejudice, pure and simple.
You mean Obama is Black? I thought he was a Muslim? Leave it to
the looney lefties to make excuses for the inept......and by the way, FDR
started this whole mess! We could solve this entire mess in one day ...if the
lefties would just go to work and quit looking for another handout!
How about this patriot"If lower taxes were the answer to our
economic woes, we could be in a boom right now instead of a bust"Someone ought to convince the GOP.
Heck, why not 800 billion. What is a few more hundred billion?
so I like what Mitch McConnell said about the so-called "big jobs
speech". He said "if more big government spending (and borrowing) were
the answer to our economic woes we would be in a boom right now instead of a
bust". How true !! Somebody ought to try and convince BO.
Oh WOW! The economy is going to be ok from now on. lolObama you are
nothing but a supporter of George Bush and you belong in the relic pile with him
as well. You make me sick.
@Pagan:Why not list accomplisments of BO rather than what GWB did or
didn't do?BO comes from Kenya-- Michelle Obama -2006- while touring
Africa. (Look at a search engine under "Michelle Obama speeches").
Also a Kenyan newspaper article titled "Kenyan becomes American
Senator" referred to BO as their citizen.BO either doesn't know
how to run an economy or wants to destroy it. Does he ever express any love for
this country. Reading speeches others wrote for him doessn't cut it. His wife
wasn't even proud of our nation.How many times have we raised taxes
for infrastructure? How much tax money from the gas pumps go to
infrastructure? BO needs more than band-aid fixes. Let's hope he can do
phrancit is about quality not quanity. same message regardless of the
topic. it also has to do with individual thought. cut and paste doesn't
Nothing new.....tax & spend, tax & spend, tax & spend.....tired old
@ute alumni and based on your constant attempts to bully pegan off the
threads i would contend "ute alum"= troll so what your point?
The government will never save us. Giving up freedom and giving money to the
government will decrease individual liberty.The government needs to
shrink and get out of the way. We are a free country, not a welfare state.
Why does the Federal Reserve get to buy bonds and securities debt free with
money created out of thin air, but our congress and country has to borrow
money?We as a nation could simply bypass the private federal reserve
and simply create the money we need to facilitate commerce and end unemployment
as we know it.What is that called? Nationalizing. Who would object
to it? Every republican who doesn't understand how our money system really
Obama may yet succeed in bringing the US to its knees.
The economy wasn't "GREAT" when GW was in the White House & it
isn't "Horrible" now. On a scale of 1 - 10, it was probably about a
8.5 in 2006-07 and now its more like a 3.5 - 4. The problem we have in this
country is everything is either "Great" or it is "Horrible"
and there is no in between yet most of the time the economy is in fact in
between. All the talk about this being the worst since the Great Depression is
bull. The 1989-91 recession was worse on real estate, especially vacation and
secondary real estate than this recession has been (though real estate certainly
has further to go down . . . especially here in Utah where it is still
overpriced). People should quit their griping and start cutting back on what
they spend; pay off your debts; & get back to saving money. The economy
will eventually start moving at a decent rate again, but we still have a lot of
excess fat to cut before it does. Now get back to work.
There are a number of Republicans who will not attend Obama's address? Why? We
need to call this what is. Racial prejudice, pure and simple. The elite
Republican element can not stand to see someone like the President being in this
position. Adding insult to injury, the President is much smarter than they
are.Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, FDR and even Teddy Roosevelt were more to
the left than Obama. I wish it were not true but I sincerely believe it.
@Pagan 2:07 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011In a February 18, 2011 letter to John
Boehner, the CBO said that repealing Obamacare would increase the deficit by
$210 Billion by:(1) Repealing $604 Billion in new government
spending(2) Repealing $813 Billion in new taxesReigning in
runaway government spending and preventing economy-stifling tax increases are
both GREAT ideas.
Where do you think this 300 billion will end up? Not in the little peoples court
that's for sure! I see it going into Wall Street and the unions.This isn't
anything but payback we the people are getting saddled with. I say as a country
we throw all these losers out of office and if they don't go willingly then
they'll get carried out.
Just be patient folks.The Republican Party will sacrifice you, for
14 more months, and then "everything will be all better".You see, making President Obama a one term President is more important than
doing anything to show us the change promised by Republican John Boehner.The Democratic Party fooled you this time.The Republican
Party fooled you last time.The Republican Party won't fool you
again.Really.Just trust the Republican Party.If corporate tax rates are cut from 35% to 25% to spur 4%/yr growth rates,
just imagine what cutting corporate tax rates all the way to zero would do for
job/economic growth.How can we afford to cut corporate tax rates to
zero? Easy. Cut spending to zero as well. Rember, we have a spending problem,
not a revenue problem.Just hang in there voters. You will only be
sacrificed, for 14 more months, as the Republican Party continues to work, on
their unified sworn primary goal, of making President Obama a one term
President. When that goal is accomplished; at that point, then, and only then,
will the Republican Party BEGIN to make "everything all better".Just be patient my friends.
Pagan, Thank you for leaving things for me to update or correct. "Health care law wont rein in costs, study says" Washington
Post July 28, 2011. "Obama concedes health care law won't control
costs" Washington Post August 17, 2011July 16, 2011 Waiver
count: 1471. Why the waivers if it's so great?Rasmussen Reports
Sept. 5, 2011: Favor repeal of Obamacare: 57%The job loss in 2008
that you talk about under Republican leadership was actually under a Republican
President and Democrat Congress. Those would be equal branches of government.
You are always so quick to point out Bush's low job approval numbers
the last few years of his term. He couldn't have reached those low points
without Republicans disapproving of him. Republicans have said through the polls
they didn't like the spending with Bush, either, but you weren't listening. "But say nothing when Republicans, do it."--I'm sorry, you
need to learn how to use a comma. Putting a comma there doesn't add drama, it's
only grammatically incorrect.
Spend more. Pay more. Sacrifice more. Have more taken from our children. I think
we have had just about enough of "more." How about we learn the
lessons of Europe. The riots and discontent stem directly from people like Obama
and the "compassionate" programs they believe in. No more
entitlements. No more payoffs. No more kickbacks. No more bailouts. No more
regulations. Sometimes we just have to stop.
"what does it accomplish to keep bashing Bush"It does not
accomplish anything. However, much of the "bashing" is a response to
something written in an attempt to show Obamas failures. When in
reality, the same thing was given a pass under GOP leadership.I will
openly admit that Obama has not done well in righting the economy.But, it
is also plainly obvious that Obama did not ruin a good economy. He inherited an
economy in freefall.So, what I see is that those on the right want
to bash Obama for not fixing the problem while giving a pass to those (GOP) who
dug us into the hole.If you quit trying to blame everything on
Obama, then people would not point out the problems of the previous Admin.
Remember that admin? The one that got us here.Blame Obama for not
getting us out. But, the economy is better off than it was when Bush left.
Pagan | 2:42 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT another
This isn't just a matter of which person occupies the White House. The common
denominator is Congress. All of us may recall that while the Demos have held the
majority lately, the inability to quit spending money we do not have is a malady
rampant in both parties.Whether it's so-called health care, jobs
bills, economic stimulus, etc.,etc., it's past time for Washington to quit
trying to control every part of our life.It's also past time for us
to emphatically stress to elected officials that they are to stop spending
"our" money (note: it's not theirs!) We should begin with the heads of
the respective parties and remind them we have long memories and will not
tolerate their abysmal behavior when we go to the polls!
'Hint to President Obama: When you dig the country into a financial hole -
Stop Digging!' - Carnak | 2:13 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Really? National debt to date: $4 trillion. Obama inherited...? $10 trillion. PROJECTIONS aside, this is what has HAPPENED. Not more speculation that some would use to condem President Obama, who
was born in Hawaii. And if Obama does nothing...? Wouldn't he 'not'
be helping our country? Obama does nothing, condemed by
Republicans. Obama tries to create jobs, using the EXACT same tactic as
the Republican party, condemed by Republicans. When you see the
country in a financial hole... stop voting Republican.
*'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt' - by Mark Knoller - CBS
News - 09/29/08 'It'll be the 7th time the debt limit (ceiling) has
been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on
July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which
contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.'
Now, watch people say adding $4 trillion to the debt is 'so much worse', when
Obama does it. But say nothing when Republicans, do it.
@ PaganBesides being good therapy for you, what does it accomplish
to keep bashing Bush? The sitting President is the one who should be able to
fix things and he's the one who has only two opinions, thus: 1) I inherited
this mess so it's Bush's fault; and 2) This is going to take longer to fix, as
in 3 years hasn't been enough time to show ANY progress.Come down
off your lofy perch and get your fingers dirty like the rest of us have to, Mr.
President, and maybe Pagan will find something positive to say about you rather
than just negative about Mr. Bush. Then again...I doubt it.
800 Billion here300 Billion therebarack:It
didnt work like you said before.Why would it work now?It
doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth anymore, we need to do the opposite.
come on paganette, please post faster. 3 in 4 minutes isn't fast enough. how are
you related to o when the rest of the country thinks he is doing a terrible job?
And the Republican solution is? Oh ya remove all the taxes from the
wealthy and corporations, end minimum wage (Jim Demint) and trust that the
wealthy and the corporations (who are people to) will come and and save the day.
Corporate profits at record high level corporate taxes at record
low level and the can't currently create jobs, but trust us, if you let us make
a little more profit we might can hire a couple of below minimum wage workers.
Pagan | 2:03 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Pagan | 2:05 p.m.
Sept. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Pagan | 2:07 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT yawn
Not a great solution but lets look at the republican solution which is to throw
more money at the rich. The past ten years we have thrown billions of dollars
back at the wealthiest Americans and cooperations and it has not worked why is
it all of a sudden going to work now. its time for a plan C
Hint to President Obama:When you dig the country into a financial
hole - Stop Digging!
'repeal Obamacare' - lost in DC | 1:02 p.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Oh. Yeah,
cause THAT'S a good idea. *'CBO: Health care repeal would increase
deficit' - By Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press - 01/06/11
'In a letter to Boehner, budget office director Douglas Elmendorf estimated
repeal would increase the deficit by $230 billion from 2012 to 2021...' Source? The Congressional Budget Office. So eager to forget what
life was like BEFORE healthcare reform? *'Wellpoint Drops Coverage
For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine -
04/23/10 'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that
Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the
report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...' Even ROMNEY created a form of healthcare reform! Let's be
real. Obama could spend NOTHING... and conservatives
would complain. Example? *'Trump on Obama's Birth
Certificate: 'Maybe It Says He's a Muslim' - Fox Nation - 03/30/11
'The first "stimulus" didn't work! In spite of claims on the left that
it kept things from getting even worse, the facts are things have gotten much
worse!' - Mountanman | 7:25 a.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Under George
Bush: In February,2008 63,000 jobs were lost, a five-year record. In
November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of
jobs in the United States in 34 year The Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost. -
JoeBlow | 11:21 a.m. Sept. 7, 2011 Rifleman will quote zero job
creation in August, 2011. And, ignore the 1.9 million jobs lost
during the last year of Republican leadership. Your choice.
'While Obama is proposing to throw more money at the problem...' - Rifleman |
6:17 a.m. Sept. 7, 2011 And, what did the Republican party do
differently? *'Bush signs stimulus bill; rebate checks expected in
May' - CNN - 02/13/08 Wall Street Bail outs: *'Bailout is
law' - By Jeanne Sahadi - CNN Money - 10/04/08 'NEW YORK -- After
two weeks of contentious and often emotional debate, the federal government's
far-reaching and historic plan to bail out the nation's financial system was
signed into law by President Bush on Friday afternoon.' *Bush signs
$700 billion bailout bill AP Published by Denver Post By Tom Raum
10/03/08 Should we offer more tax cuts?
"According to the Pew Economic Policy Group, an extension of all of the
Bush tax cuts will cost $3.1 trillion over ten years, once the costs of
servicing the debt are factored in." The initial Bush tax cuts
were passed in 2001, with the promise that wealthy Americans would create
jobs. It's 2011, today. Where, are the jobs?
$787 billion wasn't enough? Another $300 billion won't help.repeal
Obamacarereign in the the EPA and NLRBclose loopholes
and reduce corporate tax ratesTHEN you will see job creation.
The first "stimulus" didn't work! In spite of claims on the left that
it kept things from getting even worse, the facts are things have gotten much
worse! So, lets waste more money we don't have, run up the national debt a few
more trillion, have our credit rating go down farther and watch unemployment go
up even higher! Yup, that will really help! Insanity anyone?
While Obama is proposing to throw more money at the problem with strings
attached his National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) is trying to stop Boeing from
assembling Dream Liner aircraft parts in South Carolina because it is a right to
work state.If Obama really wants to help our economy he'd get out of
the way and get the federal government off our backs.
President Obama proposed a $300 billion to jump-start jobs for Union's, for
building bridges and highwaus/road's. Rush flipped-out. Here we go again.
More Obama bashing. President Barack Obama should repudiate and the media
should challenge Teamsters President James Hoffa's verbal attack on the tea
party, Rush Limbaugh said on his talk show. Limbaugh further accused Obama of
hypocrisy. When is Obama going to repudiate Hoffa Limbaugh asked. Obama wrote
it for Hoffa, Obama suggested it. Don't you just love the irony?. Hoffa made
the verbal attack while introducing the president during a Labor Day rally in
Detroit, stating, "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to
march. Let's take these ("naughty-word") out." Limbaugh played
the audio clip of Hoffa's comments while music from "The Godfather"
sounded in the background. Here we have James Hoffa and Barack Hussein Obama
commemorating Labor Day in Detroit, a city that epitomizes the disaster brought
about by organized labor, he said, noting to the citys 15.7-percent unemployment
rate. I hope before this is all over, Hoffa has to go hide in Italy someplace,
Limbaugh said. CNN was outraged when I called Obama a Chicago thug.