Doesn't ring a bell. In which state is it?
Is there a way to invite the BYU team but not the BYU fans?BYU fans bring
a unique ugliness to the game that the South and Midwest people don't need to
put up with.
mentioning byu and new york, paris in the same sentence. ???
I don't understand what everyone is so riled up about. After Oklahoma becomes
part of the PAC 12(16), the Big 12 will either go the way of the ols SWC or
reload with a bunch of mid-majors (C-USA, Sun Belt etc.) or independents that no
one pays much attention to. It will either die or become as irrelevant as the
Big East has become since reloading with half of C-USA a few years ago. TCU
would be stupid to leave the Big East. They'll dominate and be guaranteed a BCS
bowl on a regular basis. I too think the BCS is eventually doomed but, do you
really think the big conferences will not find another way to dominate the
landscape? I think T. Boone knows where Provo is, I just don't think he cares.
Much like the rest of us.
While I think he was joking by the comment, he never claimed people know where
Stillwater is, just that they don't know where Provo is. And if these facts are
the best reasons why people should, I think its understandable that they
don't.He never claimed that OSU is better than BYU. He just claimed,
as shown by recent years, BYU brings less to the table (in comparison to other
possible schools). As for eskimo Joes comment-it ranks 2nd
worldwide (behind Hard Rock) for collectable T-shirts, and is frequently named
one of the best college bars in the country. You don't have to like it. No one
asked quite frankly. But stats like speak for themselves (especially
considering as was reported its located in a town half the size of Provo and
there is only 1 location). Lastly, questioning his intelligence and
comparing a man that has dedicated the later part of his life to improving the
nation's economy and environment to a want to be sportswear designer is harsh.
There's reasons no one is jumping at the bit for BYU to be in their
conference. Maybe you could take this as a reality check.
Wise Ol' T. Boone hit the nail on the head about BYU. Hahahahahahahha! Ya gotta
@noname12Just because one lives somewhere does not automatically
make them a fan. What is ridiculous is your assumption that you know what you
speak of. How do you know who I am a fan of and why do you get to determine what
I read or do not read in the newspaper.
News flash: nobody outside the state of Utah cares where Provo is. If your most
impressive attribute is that you are the resting place of the guy who invented
the TV, chances are you're not exactly a landmark city.Wow these BYU
fans sure have an inferiority complex!
You had me 'til you started praising funeral potatoes.
@ Where's Stockton ??? | 6:05 p.m. Sept. 6, 2011 Do you have a
crystal ball? If so, get some windex.
Love the article! Best thing i have read all day!
@pac16uteDo you have an understanding of archeology and geology???
If the PAC goes to 16 teams and the likes of Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech are
part of the new additions...then Utah... after having just barely been adopted
into the PAC itself will basically be proverbally buried under so much
overburden of College Football Tradition and History which these teams alone
will bring with them...who's going to even notice Utah after that. The Utes are
already going to struggle to stay above water with USC, Oregon, Cal, Stanford
and more than likely both Arizona Schools. The Utes are already looking at best
annually occupying the 5th-6th-7th & 8th tier levels. Bring in those 3 and
suddenly Utah's over the side of a cliff that it only just found itself on and
now thier plummeting into the bottom of an abyss. A hundred years from now
who's even going to realistically see them as a major part of the PAC???
Hey the guy is 83 years old, what do you expect? Lots of humor in this one Dick.
Some just won't get it because their hatred of all things BYU stand in their
Just to let you know Mr. Pickins...Stillwater isn't Norman, Oklahoma or in even
more arduous terms it doesn't come close to ranking with Austin, Texas for that
matter. Even A&M gets more notice than that liitle scrub of a school you
scratched a sheepskin from.
The fact that Dick Harmon even responded to this quote makes me laugh. Old
T-Boone was just stating what the rest of college football believes, BYU is a
slight curiosity and nothing more. BYU is great only in the Bubble and nowhere
Stillwater is like Logan, but smaller and flatter. Payne County is like Cache
County, but smaller and flatter. Both best known for agriculture and being the
seat of their respective state's landgrant college.USU needs its own
benefactor on the Forbes 400 list.Put another way, Stillwater and
Lehi have about the same population and area. Lehi and Eagle Mountain are
rapidly closing on Payne County's population.
I know where Provo is. I just wish I didn't.
To Outsideview | 9:07 p.m. Sept. 5, 2011 Federal Way, WAI
understand what he means about Notre Dame being "damaged goods"
because it has been a very long time since they finished in the top 15 or 20 let
alone the top 10.I would be careful about making such a claim as it
easily could bounce back on BYU. Notre Dame last finished in the AP top 10 in
2005. The last time BYU finished in the AP top 10 was in 1996. Since BYUs
miracle season in 1984, Notre Dame has finished in the AP top 10 six times
(including #1 in 1988their 11th National Championship); while BYU has done it
once. Notre Dame has finished in the AP top 20 13 times since 1984; while BYU
has done so 6 times.
Still Blue after all these years | 12:15 p.m. Sept. 6, 2011 "The entire west coast knows that religion kept BYU out of the
Pac10..."No, the entire West Coast knows that byu never entered
the discussion. Why? Because the bar was too high for byu to even be
considered a member of the now Pac-12. Looking forward to Sept 17.
T. Boone thinks he's the authority on all things OSU football. I've been to
Stillwater. I was there yesterday actually. It is grasslands, hay bails, grain
silos, fast food restaurants, trailer parks, throwback neighborhoods built in
the 40's, and one rather large OSU campus that has a shiny new football stadium,
(thanks to million-dollar-money-bags T. Boone) that will likely never bring home
a national title. OSU will always have a fantastic program for Agriculture and
Veterinary training (livestock, etc). But never will its football program won't
magically become national-title worthy just because T.Boone bought them a pretty
stadium. If T.Boone REALLY wanted to make a difference to Stillwater schools,
and improve the standard of living there, he would redirect his multi-millions
into ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, and HS EDUCATION! Not an OSU football stadium. That
little "nowhere's land" community of Stillwater needs help from the
to Pac12Proud: the University Presidents in the Pac10 are a bunch of bigots.
The entire west coast knows that religion kept BYU out of the Pac10 and so, when
the Big12/Pac10 merger fell apart last year and Colorado had already been
invited, they had to accept Utah to even things out. see ya Sept 17.
Picken's arrogant comments reminded me of the elitist stuff Barry Switzer said
during the 2008 Sugar Bowl. Nice response Dick. OSU definitely
hasn't cornered the market in football success, nor is Stillwater a destination
city for 99.99% of folks. Maybe if the rest of us owned half the
world like T-Boone, we would have license to say ridiculous things too.
Good read Dick!
That was witty, worth the Tuesday morning read.
I was told to resubmit my comments. It was the truth. Maybe the one who
rejected my comment needs learn more about others from other parts of the
country because it was only a tease what Mr Pickens said "that he doesn't
know where Provo was". My comment was only a tease compared to what I read
between BYU and Utah fans; now those are down right bad insults too each other
and yous guys are LDS; comon don't be so hypocritical.
Dick I thought it was great.payara Then Pickens should stick to what
he knows and does and not worry about Football!
Great read Harmon...thanks for the laugh.Go Cougs!!
If I am not mistaken, Mr. Pickens is also the wise guy who bought $2b worth of
wind turbines and then decided that wind power was pretty ineffective, and so
was trying to sell off the still-crated machinery 2nd hand....You
forgot the Dec 1976 Tangerine Bowl where I watched Terry Miller bowl over the
BYU defense en route to a 49-21 shellacking.
This is the first D Harmon article I've read since he referred to the Presidents
and Chancellors of the Pac-10 schools as "bigots." I will never
forget that article or the fact that the DN printed it.It's clear
from the comments posted here by the byu faithful that conference affiliation is
indeed more important to them than independence despite all the comments to the
contrary the last 12 months. I hope the WCC is monitoring these comment boards.
CoachWinWA | 10:28 p.m. Sept. 5, 2011 "What a turn of events
that would be a year removed from the drama of BYU moving to the WCC and going
indy. A year later, BYU is a leader in the BIG 12, with AQ status, inviting the
best MTN West and Conf USA teams to join them on the BCS stage." That is exactly the thinking that has gotten Texas into the mess it's in.
So Colorado was a great fit, but Utah is too far away? What has OK State done in
football? Shall we compare top 25 finishes over the past 10, 20, 30 years?
Clearly the guy is myopic...for heaven's sake, even ND which has been down for a
while still has a program OK State would envy.Great reply, Mr.
@ CoachWinWA,The Big XII's BCS status is based on its membership's
accomplishments, which go wherever those teams go. So, after the big boys leave,
the Big XII no longer has BCS status. Therefore, adding mid-majors to leftover,
unwanted BCS teams doesn't save that conference. It just becomes another non-BCS
conference.Also, I doubt Boise State and BYU would add enough to
such a convoluted conference to maintain BCS status for it.And,
BYU's been there and done that with membership in a weak conference. It'd gain
nothing by joining such. Exposure is the key, and BYU's getting that in spades
as an independent.16-team superconferences might cause BYU some
scheduling issues, then might not. Depends on exclusionary scheduling tactics by
the super leagues, which could get shot down legally.Still lovin'
independence, not likin' the Bix XII.
Dick:Be consoled by the fact that the late John Denver knew his
Intermountain geography. Opening a concert at the Y years ago he said,
"It's great to be in Provo, gateway to Spanish Fork."Now
I've been to Stillwater and it is a very bleak place. Basically ugly with
nothing to distinguish it from any other droll prairie town. They have this
burger place there called Eskimo Joes that they are all proud of for some
reason. Basically it is a glorified "Dairy Freeze" or "Polar
Queen" type of place where they sell t-shirts and other souveniers. I
actually still have a long sleeved t-shirt and a hat from the place that I
bought just for the heck of it.In short it is really not anywhere
anyone would ever want to live unless they didn't know any better and it is not
worth visiting. I would hate it if BYU was making an every other year trip to
that pit. Avoiding it is another great reason to remain independent. T. Boone
can have it, no one else wants it.
If Univ. of Oklahoma (with or without Texas) departs the Big 12, it doesn't
matter what OSU does. The Big 12 becomes a mid-major conference. OSU has been
leaching off of Oklahoma for years, and would revert to a I-AA (FCS) team
Hey PAC16UTE. The longer you spoke the more we could see the real complex. Maybe
Dick can write one this coming week on USC fans wondering how in the world Utah
was allowed into the Pac 12.
@Somecommonsenseplease@pac16uteDon't make ridiculous comments!
Come on, Dick is just being sarcastic and comical. The whole point of the
article is to be funny, it's not like Dick is truly offended or even cares about
what Pickens said.And seriously, you want to talk about inferiority
complex? Why are you even reading the BYU articles? Seems like you care more
about them than you do your own teams. That is what inferiority complex is...And speaking of comical... hearing a Utah State fan talking about how
BYU doesn't have a spot at the big boys table. Please, use some common sense.
Thought it was Daniel. Seem to be from the same era and vintage. Proves money
is not intelligence. Thanks for the fun. Oklahoma is not always OK.
BYU football is 2-0 against Oklahoma, but 0-2 against OSU.BYU is a
good TV connection, and T Boone was just talkin' smack. He's rich enough, he's
A correction: Mitt Romney was not student body president at BYU. That year it
was Graig Wilcox. Mitt was, however, the valedictorian at the August, 1971,
Dick thanks for making me laugh. Good job!
"Where is Provo?" has been said many times. So, who cares what T-Boone
"Certainly BYU does not get as much research money as its neighbor, the
University of Utah, which rivals MIT, but BYU does create about half the
companies with one-tenth the research funding."I doubt Utah
rivals MIT in funding. It rivals it in number of companies spun off. What
percentage of those companies are significant is another question.
T-Bone Pickens is nothing more than a Phil Knight wanna be.
I was wondering if anyone would pick up on the comments by Boone. I
can relate to the Provo question, I didn't know where it was until I came to the
state.I have to admit I'm confused by the "damaged
merchandise" comment about Notre Dame. They haven't done very well over the
last fifteen years, but people still watch the games in large numbers.By the way, my guess is that Texas will not come to the PAC-12, but Oklahoma
might. Stay tuned.
Amazingly dramatic and serious comments about a funny, well-written article!
Lighten up, Utes and Aggies! Have a good laugh, at both Pickens and Harman!
Where's Stillwater? Isn't it a suburb of Norman?
Cut Mr. Pickens some slack, he is just embarrassed about how bad OSU's new
uniforms look and the fact that when people hear OSU they aren't thinking about
a school in Oklahoma but one in Ohio. Most know where Provo, Utah is but I would
be willing to wager that far fewer know where Stillwater, OK is. Mr. Pickens is
a saint in Stillwater and deserves to be called such there and besides, it was
kinda fun to hear him dissing ND and BYU in the same breath. Those 2 need to
play each other far more often.
In the here and now please, byu is a mid major with little on the resume since
their Cotton bowl victory in the mid 90's. In the BCS era there is little to
brag about. Bronco is bringing it back a bit but with solid victories against
anyone notable? A 7-6 Oklahoma team? Not good enough. Ole Miss? Come on! Reality
is that as the college football landscape settles byu will remain out in the
cold. Yes they have a deal with espn but that hinges on how relevant and
successful they are. It is articles and dialogue like this that show the
insecurities that cougar fans have and it has become even more transparent since
their rivals moved up to the PAC 12. Sorry but the truth is the
college football world is evolving and the cougars do not have a seat at the big
boys table. Your party of one is catered by espn but anyone in their right mind
would trade that to play in an AQ conference.
Oh, please. How many Mormons know all that stuff about Provo? How many BYU
*graduates* know all that stuff about Provo?
Multi-level Marketing was NOT borne in Provo. However, it can't be denied that
there are several of those companies springing up there -- but it is certainly
not something to be proud of. They merely boost Utah's reputation as the scam
capital of the world. I wouldn't be bragging about that.
I use Oklahoma State as an example when people malign BYU and suggest they
should not be in an AQ conference, saying "BYU doesn't have the academic
profile of BCS schools." I'm sorry, but BYU is a better university than
Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, and any
school in the SEC not named Vanderbilt.BYU isn't Stanford or
Michigan or Duke or Pitt or Texas or Notre Dame or Georgia Tech. But neither are
most BCS schools.
Great article, Dick, laughed throughout.For those of you that
demeanded T. Boone in your posts, we need to talk. T. Boone has dedicated his
remaining years to promote natural gas as a way to get America off of foreign
oil and here is why:Natural Gass comes out of the ground ready to be
used in Cars, heavy industry and everything that currently runs on oil. No need
to refine. It burns so clean that a person can breathe the emissions, very low
on green house emissions. India and China now run their infrastructure and heavy
industry on NG.Lastly, Natural Gas would cost about one third to run
our cars vs oil, clean up the environment, our cars would run much longer and
cleaner; T. Boone IS one of the smartest dudes in America, he just doesn't care
about Provo but you should care about his message.
TCU will not be invited to the Big 12. Texas does not need another recruiting
challenge and UT and TCu have never got along. Plus, TCu goes 13-0 last year
and couldn't sell out any of their games, except against BYU. Go figure. They
have no alumni across the nation and have no fan base outside of their school.
Not trying to be anti-TCU - they have a great football program and
Paterson has a great thing going there, but I just can't see Texas going after
@WhatsinitformeNo current BCS conference is going to pick up Baylor,
Iowa State, Kansas or Kansas State. With that said, those four teams are much
better than New Mexico, Wyoming, etc. They will have no choice but to invite
other teams to replace the teams that left. The BIG 12 has an AQ status. There
are plenty of teams that can be invited to retain that status. It takes several
years of underperforming to lose the status in the first place. TCU will not be
going to the Big East if they are invited to go back to the Big 12. Boise will
get invited solely to retain AQ status. The key is BYU running with the invite.
The big picture here is essentially everything that BYU wants, and nothing it
doesnt want. Independence is about exposure. BYU could retain its ESPN
contract, operate its own network, and play quality football schools in
November, as well as have BCS bowl access. All of that will bring exposure.
What do you gain from Independence against that scenario? You can still get
great OOC games with the ESPN tie in.
Dick, thanks for your humorous response to T-Boone. Pretty certain that he met
no ill respect to either Notre Dame or BYU. Just speaking his mind and we have
to assume that he has earned that right. Interesting that he chose to diss two
programs that have far outperformed his Cowboys over the years.The
more I read about the movement towards four superconferences, the more I believe
that Independence for the long-term may be in BYU's best interests.
Ha! Thanks for this, Dick. Fun times, remembering all the good that has come
from and to and through Provo. And you didn't mention Timpanogos and Nebo and
all the other beautiful peaks, or the sunset over the lake . . . I'll never quit
loving the place where I learned to be so happy--and not just about football,
though that's a biggie. Here's to Provo, from a loving Salt Laker.GO COUGARS! You made us proud last Saturday!
LOL! Funny article, Dick! Nice job defending Provo and our beloved Cougs!We ought to put our brains together and think up some gift we could give
'ol T. Boone.....A thousand pounds of green jello?Five
thousand name tags from RMs throughout Happy Valley?A framed
photograph of our National Champion trophy?Or maybe a photograph of
LaVell being inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame with our six
All-American QBs after his 257 wins?Better yet, how about send 'ol
T. Boone an invitation to play our Cougars in this tiny town he's never heard of
and let's see if he has the courage to accept.Go Cougars!
@ CoachWinWA,No way Boise State gets in a BCS conference. All they
have is football, but no population. Nothing gained but lots of unnecessary
travel.The only reason TCU got the Big East invite was to keep them
from losing their BCS status (they get TCU's recent win records), and because
it's a large Texas market area.Air Force would only be considered
along with BYU. Just getting some part of Colorado back isn't enough for AFA to
get invited by itself.If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma
State go the the Pac, then the other BCS schools in the Big XII will simply work
their way into the other 16-team superconferences that the Pac going to 16 will
cause to happen.Remember, four 16-team superconferences is 64 teams,
and there are 68 BCS teams. So, some could get demoted (probably from the Big
Least, and maybe TCU), but the Big XII won't be around to suck up mid-majors.
It'd be the other way around, BCS leftovers getting dropped into mid-major
conferences.I'm liking BYU's indepence so far. No need to knee-jerk
Dick, great article! I always enjoy reading yours above others because of the
quality of content and writing. I also enjoy that you do your research on what
you report or write.
How did Pickens get so rich and be so dumb? TCU? Ha!The Texas
schools wouldn't put up with another Texas school in their conference. Just
another one to draw talent from that state. Nope, they'd not allow that.Besides, if the Big XII is to expand, it needs to do so from other
states (and other already established BCS schools), and not from its own state
or by elevating also-ran mid-majors (SMU, Houston, etc.).BTW, this
article focused too much on feeling slighted when Pickens was simply joking to
make a point. He's not THAT dumb. Maybe Dick was just on a research binge.This article should have focused more on possible Texas A&M
replacements, and what different schools' officials would prefer. Pickens (not a
"real" official) gave his vote (TCU--ha!).
Talk about an inferiority complex! Chill out Harmon. Don't take it so personal.
I'll admit that Provo is a more beautiful setting than the flat lands of
Stillwater, but read between the lines dude. Lets face it. The Big 12 is
probably on its way to oblivion. The Big Least too. After the PAC 12/16 scoops
the best cream off the top and takes UT, TT, OU, and OSU, then the Big 10, ACC,
and SEC will take whatever scraps are left along with the Big Least football
teams that are worth anything. We all know BYU isn't going to the PAC 16. Most
likely they will not get an invite to the other three power conferences that are
left either. This leaves them at the kiddie table with the likes of Boise
State, Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico, Mew Mexico State, Wyoming, UNLV, San Jose
State, etc. They will count themselves lucky to get 2 for 1's from any of the
big boys of the power conferences. They might be able to get a home and home
against Vanderbilt, Illinois or Duke. Could get depressing in a hurry for
I don't care what Pickens thinks or says. But I do have a thought about what
BYU should do. Here is a great scenario....The BIG 12 is about to
get very small, and will need to get back to BIG. It is an AQ conference that
allows your own network on the side. BYU needs to get in quick, and help
reshape the conference. They can keep the Olympic sports in the WCC. Unfortunately, Craig Thompson from the MTn West is not going to be too
pleased, because Boise State and Air Force may be invited to that AQ conference
called the BIG 12.What a turn of events that would be a year removed
from the drama of BYU moving to the WCC and going indy. A year later, BYU is a
leader in the BIG 12, with AQ status, inviting the best MTN West and Conf USA
teams to join them on the BCS stage.All that makes worrying about
what Pickens thinks irrelevant.
My only question is...who in the heck is T. Boone Pickens?:)Go Cougars!
Yawn. Come on Dick. Instead of crying about people burning BYU, maybe you should
write about BYU and only winning their game because of the ineptitude of Ole
Miss in the last 5 minutes of the game.
Great article Dick. If T-Bone or T. Boone or whatever doesn't know where Provo
is, he's about the only one in the country who doesn't. I'm gonna guess he's
heard of Danny Ainge and Jim McMahon and Steve Young along with those that were
mentioned in the article. Besides, who cares what anyone from OSU thinks?
Everyone knows they will ride OU's coattails wherever they go.
Bluto, actually, Philo Farnsworth died in Holladay, Utah but is indeed buried in
the Provo City Cemetery as reported.
From a football perspective, I would agree that TCU is the most logical
replacement for Texas A&M. I understand what he means about
Notre Dame being "damaged goods" becuase it has been a very long time
since they finished in the top 15 or 20 let alone the top 10. BYU
would be a logical option for the Big 12 but if they were garrenteed some fair
access to bowl games based on rankings etc I think BYU ad would prefer to stay
independant for a few years just to see how it goes. I agree with
you though, Boones comment was a little funny.
A few corrections for Mr. Harmon. The 17 National Awards for BYU players include
4 Davey O'Brien's not 6. And Philo Farnsworth is buried in the Holladay Utah
Cemetery, but the Great Philo Farnsworth is indeed a BYU Alumnus.I
guess we should cut the 83 year old Boone some slack, time is short. And like
Utah fans, he too knows what it's like to live in the shadow of a Program with a
National Legacy and Brand.Okie St. will always be 2nd fiddle to
Oklahoma, just as Utah will always be 2nd fiddle to BYU.When Utah or
Okie St. can show 9 Top 25 programs, a National Championship, 23 Conference
Championships, Outlands, Heisman, Baugh, Doak Walkers, Super Bowl and NFL MVP's
then maybe...oh forget it.I'll take Rock Canyon and the Wasatch in 4
glorious seasons with her nearly 12k foot peaks to the Prairie anyday.
Pickens is still regretting his call of $200 oil the week it reversed hard. The
real question is where is Stillwater?
Honestly, KamUte, why are you reading an article you know you will not like,
because Dick reports for BYU. Don't waste your time and effort!
Dick, funniest article I have seen in a long time. Good job - I LOL all the was
through while reading the article. One thing, though, you NEED to send a copy
to T Boon! Imperative that you do so!
Honestly Dick. Don't waste your ink.