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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 6 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Agreed!

Why is it, the very people saying they are FOR the Constitution -- are indeed the very one trampling all over it?

JustGordon
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I always love letters like this that seem to deliver such sage advice at first glance, but with a moment's reflection, then the reader realizes that the writer presented us with a pablum that is devoid of specificity and in reality says nothing of substance.

I am sure those of the Tea Party will interpret this to mean that we should do what the Founding Father's wanted, but in a complex, industrialized, digitized world that they would fail to understand, what does that mean?

Men with an 18th century understanding of science, government and political economy are ill-equiped educationally and experientially to lead us now, no matter how much foresight they may have displayed in creating this remarkable experiment we call America.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

"evil hidden forces" in Washington

There are no evil hidden forces. They are clearly out in the open. And we have learned to accept them.

The evil force is money. Our congress is bought and paid for by those with the money. Corporations and unions have paid for laws that will benefit them.

Until you take the money out of the law making process, only those with Money will benefit.

Weston Jurney
West Jordan, UT

And just what should they cut? FEMA? Social Security? Medicare? The Centers for Disease Control? Highways? Defense?

There's a tiny group of Americans who have nearly half of all the money in the whole country. Some of them are making ten to a hundred times the salaries they were making forty years ago. And they've twisted the system so that they pay less in taxes than they ever did less, even, than the poor do.

Why does no one, including the Deseret News, have the courage to say we should tax them?

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Interesting that the letter espouses both amending the Constitution and then abhors the possibility of a Constitutional convention to consider broader changes. There has been a national debt every year of our existence. Why an amendment now? We need a Congress that does it job to control spending and set a tax rate that pays for services we demand.

flyboy53
HERRIMAN, UT

LDSLiberal: Both parties trample the Constitution, mostly by ignoring it. IMHO, the liberals do it best in their Robin Hood approach.
JustGordon: True principles, ie, not spending more than you have, know no time limits. It is up to us to apply those principles along with the understanding we've developed over the past 221 years.
JoeBlow: Bingo!

Opinionated
Sandy, UT

RE: JoeBlow
You say "there are no evil hidden forces". Then two sentences later you declare the evil force is money. Looks like both sides of your mouth are working quite well this morning. One thing you have right, the pursuit of money is killing our nation, from the bottom where mothers leave their children to work, all the way to the top where almost all congressional decisions are based on money.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Is the constitution hanging by a thread yet?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

If congress, as the letter suggested, would pass budgets only allowing us to spend what we took in, the dems would increase their ever-present demagogueing about how the repubs were trying to wreck the economy and throw granny over the cliff.

Since they are devoid of ideas that actually work, their only hope of holding onto power is to falsely demagogue against anyone or anything that opposes them.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

opinionated.

I said there are no evil HIDDEN forces. A point I clearly made.

May want to seek to understand before commenting.

T-Jeff
Uinta Basin, Utah

Maybe we should try repealing the 17th before we add a BBA. Get back to the basics and it may fix itself.

Politicallyminded
Spanish Fork, UT

JustGordon... If our Founding Fathers had such an inability to understand our "complex, industrialized, digitized world", then how on earth, did George Washington warn us against political party spirit, excess debt, sectionalism, and permanent foreign alliances? It sounds to me like we should have taken their advice rather then dismiss them, like you seem so willing to do.

justaguy
Out There in, WI

T-Jeff, I hope you are speaking of imposing term limits in the Senate and Congress when you say repeal the 17th amendment (which doesn't speak to members of Congress). To simply repeal the whole thing could create far more problems than it would solve. Before it was ratified state legilatures would frequently, if not usually appoint or elect the state's senators. The 17th amendment is the result of significant fraud that frequently occured under that model. Fraud and bribery were common; the interests of the people were often not considered at all. You remember Illinois' governor Rod Blagojevich, I hope. There is enough fraud in Washington today without reopening that avenue.

Mick Stupp
Happy Valley, UT

Huh?

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

I don't know how many times I need to say this, but federal spending amounts to nearly 25 percent of GDP. Republicans seem to believe that all this government spending happens in a vacuum. But like it or not, those government expenditures (directly or indirectly) support millions of jobs and a multitude of businesses. If we simply slash away, guess what? We will send the economy into a death spiral. Unfortunately, we have financed this economic support with debt instead of taxes. This started about 30 years ago with Reagan's tax cuts.

The only way out of this mess is a balanced approach. Yes, we need to reduce our debt. But we can't just pull $1 trillion out of the economy in one fatal fit of knee-jerk conservatism. We need to raise taxes substantially and cut expenditures judiciously. Everything proposed so far by the misnamed Tea Party would be disastrous.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

If John McCain were in the White House right now, this "editorial" would have never been written.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

T-Jeff | 8:33 a.m. Sept. 6, 2011
Uinta Basin, Utah
Maybe we should try repealing the 17th before we add a BBA. Get back to the basics and it may fix itself.

=================

Thanks for proving my earlier point.

Why do Tea Partiers who "SAY" they are Defending the Constitution -- turn an about face, and become the very 1st guys in line shouting Changing it?

[i.e., Repealing of the 14th, 16th, and 17th Ammendments - and adding their OWN -- like Balanced Budgets, and Definition of Marriages, ect.?]

This is Why the Constitution will hang by a thread.
Some people don't Believe in it.
So - when they disagree with it, they are out constantly trying to change it to suit they own agendas - rather than just learning to live within it.

As a Miltary Veteran, I swore the oath to Defend the Constitution to my dying breath.

Follow it, and Leave it ALONE!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

While sounding good in theory, a balanced budget would be a disaster to the economy. It wouldn't work in today's world.

worf
Mcallen, TX

With three hundred million people, why can't we find honest and patriotic leaders?

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@T-Jeff

I really don't see how the direct election of senators is the cause of America's problems.

The founding fathers initially had them indirectly elected becaues they didn't trust the population would be intelligent enough to understand the issues to elect the right people. With the flow of information we have through Internet, TV and radio, that no longer applies.

If the problem is you think the people have made bad decisions by electing people with a D after their name, wouldn't the old Book of Mormon principle apply of we picked our leaders, so it's our own fault?

Would you really trust the Utah Legislature with their track record of trying to hide things (GRAMA law earlier this year, Utahns for Ethical Government) to pick our senators?

I would much rather have my voice directly heard and reap the consequences of that.

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