It's going to make the Rose Bowl a long long shot. But, it's good to be in the
conference no matter what happens.PAC-16 East? (how can the Pacific
Athletic Conference have an East division - that's an oximoron, like we just
included Japan or something)Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
State, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State.
Duckhunter:"You, like all other utah 'fans', will completely
disappear from any and all utah athletic events after the next couple of years
with utah's impending pac10 mediocrity."What a frantic and
emotional thing to say. You've never met me, yet you think you know whether or
not I'd abandon my alma mater. Make no mistake Ducky...it is YOUR fanbase that
needs to be told what to do, hwhat to think, how to feel. If you're worried
about disappearing fanbases, concern yourselves with your OWN fans, since THEY
will be the ones left watching uninteresting WAC and C-USA laden matchups at LES
while the Utes will be annually hosting some of the biggest names in college
football. And while Holmoe is standing outside the big double doors at Big XII
headquarters, hat in hand, begging for an invitation, there'll nobody there to
answer the door, since last I heard, Texas and Oklahoma are too busy standing
outside Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott's door, hat in hand, hoping WE'LL give
THEM an invitation.I think it's hilarious that you guys want to join
a league they're trying to escape, in order to hitch your wagons to them. Haha!
Naval VetUtah 2004 and 2008 were the pinnacle of Utah football and
even those teams weren't good enough to finish higher than 6th in BCS
standings.Enjoy PAC 12 middle of the PAC mediocrity.
@naval vetYou, like all other utah "fans", will completely
disappear from any and all utah athletic events after the next couple of years
with utah's impending pac10 mediocrity.utah's greatest weakness, and
they have many, is their tenous and frankly non existent "fan"base.
There are so few real fans that they simply cannot sustain themselves with
anything less than 10 win regular seasons. You will all disappear
from sight just as you have done at the huntsman center. chris hill
stated it on the radio a couple of weeks ago as their greatest fear because he
knows the truth of it.So do the rest of us. You just live in denial
SportsCenter:As I had mentioned before, Utah will be just fine in a
conference with USC, Texas, and Oklahoma. Unlike cougar fans, Ute fans WANT to
see top notch football, and we WANT to see how well we'll measure up against
them. Our 2008 could have played with ANY team in the country, and our 2004
team was even better. But we never had the chance to prove it, and THAT was our
biggest contention with the BCS. As members of the Pac-12 or Pac-16, we will
finally have the opportunity to show what we can do. And if that means
occasionally finishing up in the middle or the bottom of our conference, so be
it. But having the chance to prove our worth is an immeasurable bonus.Cougar fans can keep playing their bush-league WAC schedules with or with out
the super conferences, so I'm sure you'll all be happy with your wins against
all your Little Sisters of the Poor institutions. Cougar already know they'll
have no chance to win on the big stage, so they'll just keep cleaning up on the
Utah fans who think the Utes have nothing to worry about with Oklahoma and Texas
joining the PAC X are delusional.With three traditional Top 10
powerhouses, USC, Oklahama and Texas all in the PAC 16, Utah's chances of ever
winning a PAC X football championship would go from slim to NONE.Even in a great year, Utah would be lucky to finish in the top three of the
PAC X. In good year, the Utes would finish about 7-5, and in average years, 3-,
4-, and 5-win seasons would be commonplace.Enjoy being on the inside
looking up at sub-500 seasons.
@ SLC BYU Fan,Interesting thoughts on the future of college
football. Sad to think I'd no longer have BYU sports to root for. Guess I'd have
to get a life. Heh.Hope it doesn't come to that. It's been fun to
watch this independent thing unfold.
Utah will be just fine. We were already the winningest team vs. schools from AQ
conferences from among the non-AQs, so there's no reason to believe we'll
suddenly drop down to average. As a member of the Pac-12, whether or not
conferences evolve into superconferences will matter not to us as we are already
in.The cougars on the other hand.... Since you're on the outside
looking in, and nobody wants to invite you too the table, you'll soon see how
exponentially irrelevant you'll become. You're already a no-BCS-bowling
mid-major with a sub-.500 record vs. BCS schools [and Utah for that matter], but
now you're circling the drain even faster.But at least you'll still
have your rivalries in the WAC. Good luck with that.
@Bleed Crimson:If BYU is forced to drop their football program for
the political, academic or logistical reasons I've mentioned, Utah will have no
real in-state competition and will lose their incentive and will start to look
more like the Utah program that we all became familiar with during the 1970s and
1980s. BYU emerging as they did during the 1970s and 1980s is what gave Utah
more incentive to become competative.
What is with all the byu homers claiming Utah will be doormats in the new
Pac-16? Utah will adapt to the new conference. They will increase their
recruiting to compete week in and week out with the conference. The Utes have
the great and proven coaching staff that will take on this new challenge. Utah
is definitely in a great position with the the BCS as a member of one of the
future super conferences. byu on the other hand is on the outside
looking in. They will become permanently irrelevant to college football and
their catholic counter parts in Notre Dame will jump ship and join the Big 10
when the super conferences emerge, because they know the future of college
football will be 4 sixteen team super conferences. Remember, this
comment is referring to when super conferences emerge.
@manutd:Thankfully they are a minority, but they are there. These
powerful people however don't like the idea of church owned schools competing
with state run schools (Utah State University most notably) or BYU usurping
their missions academically in attracting post-graduatresearchch or big time
no way byu joins the BIG 12 left overs. we're better off independent. the big
question is how do we survive the super conferences? its going to be tough for
both byu and utah.can't see the church dropping football and all
other sports. too much tradition and name value that gets the church valuable
University of Texas will forever be known as the school who killed the goose
with the golden egg. Big 12 was positioned perfectly to be one of the four
super conferences. First, they chased off Nebraska and now TAMU. Oklahoma and
Oklahoma State are forced to look for greener pastures because of the
instability. But will they leave for the PAC12 or Big10? They might fit better
in the Big10. I'm still not sure if Texas will land in the PAC12. Their ego is
way too big. I think there's just as much chance they go indy which could leave
Texas Tech alone. Missouri is probably headed to the SEC.BYU will
not leave indy for the Big12 described by socalutefan. If the Big12 is able to
attract some teams from the MWC, there's a chance BYU could be lured. A Big12
that included the following might be attractive to BYU:BaylorISUKUKSUTexas TechHoustonSMU or TulsaAir
ForceColorado StateBoise StateHawaii or San Diego StateBut if Big12 in no longer an AQ type conference, my guess is that BYU
stays independent, hoping to earn the same BCS deal as Notre Dame.
Pac 16 is not good for Utah or BYU. Utah would be a doormat and BYU would be
left out. This is a lose, lose.
What people might not realize there is an ongoing effort to reclassify NCAA
Division 1 into THREE instead of the present TWO sub-classifications; BCS (the
64-80 institutions that will likely make up super-conferences), FBS (the mid
majors; MWC, C-USA, MAC, Sun-Belt, WAC), and the FCS (1-AA) as presently
constituted. The divisions between the financial "haves" and have
nots" is a growing issue.BYU head coach Bronco Mendenhall makes
VERY clear "the next 2-3 years will be critical for BYU." Sadly there
are a small minority within the LDS Church hierarchy that wish to at the very
least drop football and scale back athletics to the WCC scope and participation.
There are even those that want to scuttle athletics completely as was done 11
years ago up at Rick's as it became BYU-Idaho, feeling as though LDS student
athletes better serve their church in a missionary capacity by going to other
institutions. I disagree with these ideas but if the Big 12 folds, it sadly
could come down to this for BYU since the likely super-conference doesn't want a
church owned/operated institution.
SoCalUtahFan,Your rose-colored glasses are obstructing your view.
BYU would NEVER give up independence for another mid-major conference, which is
exactly what you described. Such a conference would not retain its BCS
status.Besides, if 16-team superconferences occur (and if the Pac-12
goes to one, it'll happen nationally), there wouldn't be any other BCS teams
left in the Big XII to make the membership you described---the BCS leftovers
would be engulfed in the superconference expansions.It's very
possible BYU will be stuck in independence for a long time, unless one of the
superconferences wants it. The Big XII membership won't happen for BYU if that
conference loses Oklahoma and Texas. Independence is much better than mid-major
conference membership. Been there, done that.BTW, just how do you
think the Utes will fare over time against the likes a Pac-16 conference with
Oklahoma and Texas added? I think middle of the "Pac."
Where would the u wind up, somewhere in the 10th to 16th place in a puc16 if it
happens. Running with the big dogs, getting crumbs from the table, pride and
success doesn't matter. Money only.As I have said, bcs will not
exist in two years.
The Dominoes are falling!From what different Big XII officials are
saying, that conference is dead. They don't seem to have any hope of saving
it.If they can't get Notre Dame to join, along with the likes of
Pitt, BYU, et al, to get to 12 or 14 teams, it's a gonner. The key is Notre
Dame.But, Texas' TLN, BYU's BYUtv, Oklahoma's network, and Notre
Dame's ubiquitous TV arrangements, probably wouldn't sit well with the rest of
the Big XII members, so that might not happen, either.16-team
superconferences, here we come!
SUU in the Big 12???With Texas A&M leaving the Big 12, that
drops that conference to 9. But, why would the SEC go to 13? Is there a 14th
team? or three more to make 16?I could see BYU, Houston, and SMU
joining the Big 12.
@manutd ...looks like utah will be sitting pretty in the pac 16 with
the likes of texas and oklahoma in addition to the regular pac 12 teams. not
bad. not bad at all...Texas, OU, OSU and Texas Tech will move to
Pac-12BYU may be added into Big-12:BaylorISUKUKSUMissouriHoustonBYUSMUSUUBig-12 will be downgraded to Big mid-major.
Bringing in two more football powers like Texas and Oklahoma is exciting but
where would my Utes end up? I imagine we would end up playing a game in Oklahoma
and one in Texas each year. Los Angeles or Norman? Dang.
As a Ute fan, I am happy to have Texas and Oklahoma in the Pac 12. Great adds if
and when it happens!
why would they want to join the pac 10 plus 2? oregon looked great and so did
usc and ucla. real tough conference, i think not.
looks like utah will be sitting pretty in the pac 16 with the likes of texas and
oklahoma in addition to the regular pac 12 teams. not bad. not bad at all. have to say as a cougar i am definitely jealous of that lineup.
independence is nice and honestly the best we could hope for at this point. but
a pac 16 with that roster is awesome.