@ aggielover who said--The biggest problem with Utah is and always has been
Jordan Wynn. He is so bad and the sooner Coach Whit and Coach Chow figure that
out, the better Utah will be able to prepare someone else to come in who
actually has heart and a will to win.I don't know much about the
Utes QB, but reading your post I would imagine that he is lucky to have a
scholarship. He must have a horrible winning percentage. Could you please tell
me what it is? Plus, someone with no heart to play the game will never have a
chance to be on a team that beats BYU or comes close to doing so, right? Also,
don't the Utes need the kind of kid who could possibly show up big in important
games? From what you say, I doubt Jordan Wynn will ever "wynn" a bowl
game. Or be crowned MVP of a bowl game? We need a kid who has heart and talent,
right? If we give Wynn the boot now, maybe we can get a kid who will challenge
Brian Johnson's record for all time "wynns" at the U.
My opinion on the conservative play-calling late in the game has to do with the
O-Line. There was too much confusion all night. I saw a guard knock over the
runningback while pulling on one play. More disconcerting was their pass
protection on 7+ step drop passes. Blitzers were coming through untouched and
Jordan got nailed several times.I think they tried to open up the
lead earlier on, but it proved to be more risk than sitting on the lead they had
and using 3 yard dump routes to the tight ends. It will help having the starting
left tackle back, but they all need to do a better job in communication and
recognition.One positive is that Chow and Davis (Utes O-Line coach),
coached together at USC, so they have a fair idea of blitz packages to look for.
Everyone wants to jump on Chow's and Jordan's backs for this game, but I thought
it was handled fine by both of them. With the exception of one 3rd down play
where he threw to a well-covered Luke Matthews, Jordan's decision-making looked
@motorbike "Do you realize how off topic you get?"My only
'topic' that I've been concerned about is smack talking the Utes and stirring
the pot, and it seems like I've accomplished that pretty well since you've
responded to 3 of my posts :)My point has to been to show that Ute
fans should be worried about their team, and that they're clearly not in the
upper echelon of college football teams this year...after the first week. I'm sure they'll get better, but there are definite areas of concern.Especially Wynn with his shoulder. He WAS coming off major shoulder
surgery...so why not get a big lead and pull him and try to preserve his health?
"And yes you can leave starters in to ensure a victory while
still being conservative and preserving a lead."Again, you run
the risk of getting starters injured...that's NOT very smart coaching if, as you
say, you can beat the team you're playing REGARDLESS.Anyhoo, just
saying that there are areas of concern. It's been fun smack-talking with you,
motorbike. Hope you didn't take any of it personally. :)Go Cougars!
Do you realize how off topic you get?I'll say it AGAIN. I have never once
said I'm not worried about how good Utah really is. I have never said I
think Utah will beat USC.I have never said Utah is as good as ASU or
MSU.My opinion on any of that has never been the topic you simply keep
trying to spin it that direction which is pathetic.I answered every one of
your questions, you just don't get it.In summary for you. Did ASU and MSU
open the playbook? I'll bet they actually didn't, they were simply that much
better than their opponents. But even with your argument that they did
unleash the playbook, they don't have a QB coming of major shoulder surgery. And yes you can leave starters in to ensure a victory while still being
conservative and preserving a lead. No need to say more on that.Where do I
base Montana State being better than UC Davis? Polls and on the field. Last year
and this year...that's quite a bit to go on. Talk to me at the end of the year
if you want to compare them again.
@motorbike You said "for the sake of running up a score on a team you know
you'll beat regardless."You then said "Montana State was
still fighting...Whittingham's not going to pull starters when the game could
still conceivably be won by the other team."Nice contradictory
statements...you know you'll beat the team regardless, but you still keep Wynn
in because Montana State could still win the game?And you say I have
no logic...MSU and ASU showed the example of how you're supposed to
play against teams that you're supposed to dominate. I don't care that Montana
St is the preseason 5th ranked team in the FCS...it's still the FCS! Utah was a 28 point favorite, and they couldn't cover the spread with their
starters playing the whole game.Try to spin it however you want, but
Utah is clearly not up there with the MSU's and ASU's of the world...and clearly
Coach Whit doesn't think they are either. I'm pretty sure he's smarter than
both of us.But hey, the U showed they COULD compete at the FCS
level...maybe they'd even win the FCS championship!You can dream,
right? :)Go Cougars!
@motorbike "ASU's opponent isn't near as good as Montana State. "How do you know that? Based on preseason rankings? Haha, I thought Ute
fans all agreed that preseason rankings were completely unreliable, since most
of them have Utah being 3rd in the PAC 12 South.Way to not answer my
questions. You're the supposed football expert and I still have no idea whether
ASU and Montana St. were being 'conservative' in their games or not.What we DO know is that ASU's starters put 41 pts on the board against their
FCS opponent before being pulled in the 3rd QTR, and they then put their backups
is, ran the ball off tackle or right up the middle, and still scored another
TD.Utah managed a FG in the 2nd half while playing
'conservatively'...with their starters."Chow might be
conservative the first game back when you don't want to aggravate a bad
shoulder"It's been nearly a year, since the surgery...lame
excuse, Wynn had 350 yds passing vs SDSU last year WITH that bad shoulder.And besides, I thought it was supposed to be 'smart coaching' to NOT
open the playbook?Did MSU and ASU open it?
truecoug1 -I'm glad to see you can admit to others that your
comments are more about smack talk than logic. Glad you're coming around.And yes I'll be happy to answer your questions.1) ASU's opponent
isn't near as good as Montana State. And Mississippi State is in my opinion
going to challenge for a national championship this year (thanks to former Utah
QB coach Dan Mullen - MSU's Head Coach). 2) Those teams don't have a
quarterback coming off shoulder surgery...any logical thinker will understand
why Chow might be conservative the first game back when you don't want to
aggravate a bad shoulder for the sake of running up a score on a team you know
you'll beat regardless.3) Montana State was still
fighting...Whittingham's not going to pull starters when the game could still
conceivably be won by the other team. But it still doesn't mean Chow was ever
worried enough to have Wynn throw deep.Too easy dude...what else?
@motorbike "I'm going to go out on a limb and say truecoug1 probably
doesn't coach football for a living."Spot on, man, I'm just a
student at the Y and a football lover. I was a basketball and volleyball guy in
high school, however.But since I'm lucky enough to have you as the
football expert here, let me ask you a few questions.1. Were
Mississippi State and ASU being conservative last night in their play-calling?
If so, how come they scored so much, since according to you, the reason the Utes
didn't pile up the points was because they were being 'conservative'?2. If they weren't, then why would they open up the playbook when both teams
are playing tough opponents next week (ASU vs #23 Missouri, MSU @ #20 Auburn)?
According to you, that's just craziness!3. Why did K Whitt leave
all of his starters in for the whole game, when he said specifically before the
game that in order to compete in the PAC 12 the team needed to be healthy? If
they were being 'conservative' in their play calling, that sounds like a perfect
time to put in the backups.Just curious.
@SmackFair points, man. I honestly feel like the Utes are going to
be fine this year and they'll clean things up. I fully expect them to give USC
all they can handle.I just enjoy throwing out some smack talk so I
can watch fans like motorbike squirm :)Go Cougars!
@Ute Fan in Texas "Do your fingers get tired from clicking the refresh
button on your computer just waiting for a new article on the UTES to pop up so
you can be one of the first to comment?"Yeah, I had to ice them
last night...it was pretty rough, but those are the sacrifices we 'trolls' make
:)In all seriousness, I bleed blue, and I love giving U fans a hard
time. It's all part of the rivalry. We BYU fans have had to endure the chest
pounding U fans have been doing for the past year after the PAC 12 invite, not
to mention people like SoCalUteFan and uteovertide talk about the Rose Bowl
being a virtual lock for the Utes this year.So I just had to jump on
these comment boards and throw down a little smack talk, all the while watching
U fans squirm and throw out nervous comments.Don't worry, I fully
anticipate the same thing from U fans tomorrow if BYU loses to Ole Miss. Smack
talk's a part of the rivalry...you should know this by now :)Go
We can all just ignore truecoug1. He/she doesn't even grasp the 'element
of surprise' concept. Apparently there's never been a good team who held back a
bit in their opener against an FCS school they were beating 24-0 early in the
game.Makes sense right? I mean it's not like Utah's playing USC next week.
(rolling my eyes)I'm going to go out on a limb and say truecoug1 probably
doesn't coach football for a living.
@UTE Fan in TexasEveryone who posts on these blogs supposedly played
college ball. You do make a few good points. I sure hope Coach Whit can do
something to fire the Utes up. Brian Blechen is my favorite player in the state,
this kid is special and only a true Sophy. I can wait to see what he does the
rest of the year. The biggest problem with Utah is and always has been Jordan
Wynn. He is so bad and the sooner Coach Whit and Coach Chow figure that out, the
better Utah will be able to prepare someone else to come in who actually has
heart and a will to win. That game was sad for Utah and they better change a lot
of things by next week because SC is the real deal and are going to welcome the
Utes to the Pac in a not so nice way. I expect a bug, bug loss for the Utes this
next week. Good luck Utes, you will need it for sure.
With how inexperienced our secondary is it's good to have a converted safety at
LB who can cover WRs and RBs, he might end up being the best coverage LB in the
Pac 12 this year.
Nah, truecoug1, I don't think USC's defense is worse than Montana State's
(though last year's might have been)--I just think that USC's defense is an
unknown quantity this year. Accordingly, we Utes need not conclude that the
Utes' admittedly less-than-stellar offensive effort last night is the death
knell of our hopes. If the Utes can pull some things together and play better
offensively, and if USC's defense has not dramatically improved, I'd say the
Utes have a fair chance of winning.Go UTES!
Blechen is a stud! Our linebackers are good now and I expect will only get
better as they get more game time. One of the bright spots from last night.
Hopefully the rest of the team can catch up.
RE: truecoug1 | 12:39 a.m. Sept. 2, 2011 Provo, UTDo your fingers
get tired from clicking the refresh button on your computer just waiting for a
new article on the UTES to pop up so you can be one of the first to comment (@
12:39 no less)? I am a diehard UTE fan. I certainly don't "troll"
the BYU articles waiting to be the first to comment and stir the pot... Having
played at the college level, I will say that I love college football. I love
the UTES and I know Coach Whit. I know that he will have them ready for next
week. Whether we win or not is to be seen but whatever happens, my life will go
on:) I root for BYU every game but one and wish no ill will upon them. When the BYU fans are so eager to post on anything pertaining the
"U", it shows me that there is a bit of jealosy in regards to the
success the UTES have experienced over the past decade. We will see what
happens next week at USC... In the meantime, I will watch the Cougars on
Saturday while wearing my RED.
I like Utah's defense and special teams.
@Smack "What we saw tonight is not the death knell for our hopes at USC.
Last year, USC's defense was pretty lame. They are supposed to be better this
year, but that might be because they couldn't get much worse."So, if I understand you right, you're saying that USC's defense is worse than
Montana State's?Hmmm....you go ahead and think that, Smack, if it
gives you comfort :)Go Cougars!
Nice work by Blechen. Now he just needs to tear up USC's offense.On
the other side of the ball, Wynn and the offense need to dig a little deeper.
What we saw tonight is not the death knell for our hopes at USC. Last year,
USC's defense was pretty lame. They are supposed to be better this year, but
that might be because they couldn't get much worse.Go UTES!