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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 31 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Esquire
Springville, UT

Hmmm, Republicans wanting to subsidize business and the Democrats saying that government should not. I guess all the Republican propaganda isn't correct in reality.

Dektol
Powell, OH

It is not the job of Government to compete with private business. Condemning private properties for a business building is as low as it gets.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Esquire | 5:39 a.m." once again you are wrong. It was the Salt Lake City Council that wanted to subsidize the business. If you bothered to look at the political parties of the city council, a majority of them are Democrats.

So, you have 1 democrat saying no to 7 democrats. I guess your Democrat Propaganda really isn't that hard to disprove.

Maybe you care to explain why Democrats and Liberals tend to accuse and demonize others for the very things that they themselves do?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

RedShirt | 8:56 a.m.

The names given to politicians, as in republican or democrat, mean nothing in the current world faced by the American people. The distinction is only a smokescreen to cover up their real identity. The real distinction of politicians should be as business or non-business. All the current politicians are business oriented people who could rightly be called republicans, given the notion that republicans are generally in favor of business interests.

There are no non-business politicians in our state government at any level. And on the national level, Obama has followed the agenda of business better than most republicans. That is the answer to your question. Sometimes the different groups of businessmen spar and appear to disagree, even to calling each other bad names, but the fact remains they are all part of the same philosophy.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt | 8:56 a.m.

RedShirt -- You are wrong yet again.

Read the article:
"Chief among these is County Mayor Peter Corroon, a Democrat who famously opposed county participation in the construction of Rio Tinto Stadium, home to Real Salt Lake of Major League Soccer. He stood firm on that issue until so-called conservatives in the Legislature finally ran him over, taking a cut of the county's hotel taxes and giving it to the stadium.

But Corroon was right on that issue, and he is right today when he says the hotel should be privately financed but that the county could participate by building parking or by adding meeting space that the county manages and controls."

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You're blind hatred to all things Democrat makes you out to be a fool.

Try putting your petty politics aside, and "Think" for once about what is Right vs. what is Wrong, rather than whatever is from a Democrat is automatically evil vs. whatever is from a Republican is pure and righteous.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Pete Corroon is a pretty decent public servant. Maybe we should elect him to a higher office.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 9:51 a.m." if you look deeper into the matter, you will find that it was the Democrats that proposed the deal in the first place. But then again, that would be too much effort for you.

Yes Republicans voted for it, but if you are going to attack me for pointing out that the idea was initiated by Democrats, you should also be reprimanding "Esquire" for assuming that anything to do with Republicans is evil.

Why liberals and others of your ilk attack anybody who opposes you by charging them with the very acts that you are comitting? If you could actually process information, you may be able to come up with something more than your attacks on conservatives.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt | 11:16 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011
USS Enterprise, UT

Then come right out and SAY it RedShirt.

Stop splitting hairs,
Stop spin-doctoring,
Stop politisizing matters that are clearly just a matter of what is Right vs. What is Wrong.

Come right out, and Simply Openly Agree with the Deseret News staff writers on this one issue, and admit once and for all that Republicans are absolutley wrong this time.

Somehow - I don't think you can do it.
I'm guessing your PRIDE will never allow you to admit it and come clean, and you will cometinue to rationize, justify and defend your Party know matter how wrong or silly you/they look.

I double Dog dare you....

Meanwhile -- We'll be waiting here patiently for your Reply.......

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 11:51 a.m." it is funny to listen to you speak of pride.

You strongly believe in socialism and moral relativism. The hypocricy of liberalism that you demonstarate everyday. You claim membership in a church with doctrine that is 100% against your political beliefs, yet your PRIDE does not allow you to give up your socialism and moral relativism.

Let me be clear with you. It is wrong to entirely blame Republicans for actions that are initiated by/with Democrats. Those, such as you, Pagan, Esquire, and others of your ilk are wrong when you mindless attack Republicans for something that was initiated by Democrats.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Democrats proposed the idea. That's a fact. Republicans wanted to implement the hotel. That's a fact.

Where is the blame? Who is responsible?

EVERYONE who wants to build any private building at taxpayer's expense.

Private means private. Public means public. If it is a public building, built at public expense, then the public should have free access to the rooms at any time for any reason. If the public has already paid, in part, for the building, they "own" that building. It is theirs to use as they desire. No "fees". No "room charges". Nothing. It would be owned by the public, not by the business which operates it.

That concept alone disqualifies any investment in hotels or ball parks, or anything else where the public is charged to build it and then charged again to use it.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt | 12:29 p.m. Aug. 31, 2011
USS Enterprise, UT
To "LDS Liberal | 11:51 a.m." it is funny to listen to you speak of pride.

Let me be clear with you. It is wrong to entirely blame Republicans for actions that are initiated by/with Democrats. Those, such as you, Pagan, Esquire, and others of your ilk are wrong when you mindless attack Republicans for something that was initiated by Democrats.

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Spin,
Dodge,
Defend,
Deflect,

Answer the Question!

BTW - Thanks Mike Richards for being willing to admit what is Wrong - and Agreed, Everyone is to blame....especially the Republicans.
However, nice try to implicate Democrats by suggesting something in talks, while Republicans took that ball and ran with it.

To suggest something is not exactly the same as actually Doing it -- now, is it?

But kudo's for at least admitting the GOP is wrong - at least on this ONE issue. It was more than Mr. RedShirt is capable of doing.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 12:57 p.m." read my posts, I never said that the action to subsidize a hotel was right or wrong. I am taking issue with the blind attacks by Esquire, and now you that you both constantly make on anybody who opposes you.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

re: LDS Liberal,

Why did you attack the Republicans and not the Democrats who proposed the idea? Doesn't the word "accomplice" mean anything to you? When a bank is robbed, those who proposed the idea are equality guilty to those who held up the bank or drove the "get away car".

It was not the IDEA of the GOP. The IDEA originated with the DEMOCRATS. Put the blame where it belongs - on everyone who thought that using taxpayer dollars to support private enterprise is the "right thing to do".

Your "one sided" blame is childish. Either put the blame on EVERYONE involved, or admit that you only find fault with Republicans when they echo the Democrat party line.

Esquire
Springville, UT

My how RedShirt twists and distorts. Pretty much all I said is that when Republicans say the Dems want government involved in everything, that propaganda is wrong in practice. But it sure seems the GOP loves having the government underwrite corporate activities despite professing to love the fee market system. This is only one example among many.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

I get both political parties were wrong on this. As it is most times, partisanship blnds the vision. As for the 16 year old report, seems to me during that time a pretty nice hotel called the "Grand America" was built in SLC. And, another Marriot was added all downtown, so maybe a fresh study would be helpful. However, until that happens, it does not appear that the added space needed to keep SLC's, outdoors retailers convention intown justifies this boondoggle.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Given that the illegal employment of illegal aliens is fairly standard practice in the hotel industry, aren't taxpayers already subsidizing these hotels by subsidizing the illegals' wages (in the form of taxpayer-funded public benefits)?

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