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BYU again No. 1 for most religious students

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  • Mormoncowboy Provo, Ut
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    SammyB - What's the old saying "we teach them correct principles and they govern themselves". It would be much less of an issue if BYU truly adhered to this policy...but they don't. Instead they teach Mormon principles, and then throw you out of school for non-compliance; maintain and honor code office; enforce policing of honor code compliance through honor code officers; etc. But that's the whole point, isn't it. Afterall, BYU likes to advertise the fact that it is the "most religious" school, which is not at all surprising given how it was designed to provide higher education to specifically Mormons (over 99% Mormon student body). Additionally we hear that they are the most "stone-sober school in America". Well duh, but that's not a result of "teaching", but rather strict enforcement that prohibits and punishes such behavior. Perhaps that appeals to some parents, and that is perfectly fine, but ultimately it say's very little about the individual values of the students or about the efficacy and inspirational power of your "teachings".

  • GAmom Athens, GA
    Aug. 31, 2011 6:46 a.m.

    To Skeptic "There is a stigma attached to graduating from a school that is a memorial and named after a notorious polygmist. It needs a new name more appropriate for the times and practices." Really you think so because not in my experience! I work with the largest university in my state and many of our highest ranked programs actively recruit BYU students for their programs including our law school, buisiness school, consumer and family life, and instructional technology. Our new college of music dean was just hired away from BYU. When I have asked people within those departments why, I consistently hear it is because of the high ethics of the students coming out of BYU. I didn't go to BYU but I am proud of the reputation that the school has and the respect that students from BYU garner within our academic community. And as for the, athletes let me just say that I had a coach here tell me that he wishes he could hold his kids to the BYU honor code instead of watching so many of them crash and burn and embaress the school by their bad behavior.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    MormonCowboy,

    Apparently when you attended BYU, your professors didn't teach you to live the honor code. Some of mine haven't, but many have and most do it in a very non-pushy way by example and precept. I've recently returned to finish my degree at an older age, but I don't think I'm too old to be taught or inspired. I hope I never am.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    A congratulations is in order for BYU, as they are succeeding in what they are striving for.

  • Maryquilter Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Adhering to the honor code set forth at a private religious-backed university? What 's the problem with that?

    I wouldn't bat an eye if a Catholic university like Notre Dame expected their students to attend Mass, would you? They may actually of had something going back in the day when they had to eat fish on Fridays; now we know fish is better for us than red meats :)

    If someone signed up to attend an Islamic university in Arabia they would have a heard time complaining about being required to stop for prayers 6 times a day don't ya think?

    I have non-LDS friends who attended BYU and had no problem signing the honor code and the non-LDS athletes don't seem to have a problem with it; I don't understand why some readers of the DN are SO hung up about this.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 30, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    RE: Wally West

    I wasn't comparing BYU to the Saduccees and Pharisees, I was merely saying that being "religious" is not necessarily a good or a bad thing. The P&S were considered the most religious, but Jesus called them hypocrites.

    BYU was a great place to go to school and the people there were some of the best people I have ever met. And I won't address the ESPN comment, not worth my time.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 30, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    TO Skeptic: Actually it is an appropriate name because it is named after the individual who first got it started. To me there is nothing wrong with Brigham Young being a polygamist. So what! It might matter to you but to most members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints it represents all that we believe in. Sure there are exceptions to the rule and there are code breakers. It still doesn't diminish anything the LDS Church represents or its youth.

    When someone attends BYU not of our faith they still must sign the honor code. They aren't forced to attend LDS services or any service but they are requested to attend somewhere. The athletes know coming in what the rules are and what is expected. They also know the consequences of those actions. The same can be said of us and our Father in Heaven. We know the commandments. We know what is expected. We know the consequences. The problem is that many decide to do otherwise. That is their choice and your choice. No one took that away from you. It is you or others who think we have.

  • alwaysthinking Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Right on, Patriot! Sounds like the devil is in full control down the the Y :) Even though I wouldn't have chosen to go to BYU myself probably, I applaud the standards they uphold and encourage their students to uphold.

    Some commenters make it sound as though BYU declared themselves to the the 'most religious school' whereas the DN is simply passing along the results published in another newspaper about a poll taken by another institution. It is a private school with their own rules and regulations. If athletes want to attend there, fine, if not, fine. I don't see what all the hullaballoo is about here.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Aug. 30, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    @ skeptic in AZ:
    You make an excellent point. But the question is what new name do you call it?

    LDS University?
    U of M (University of Mormonism)? or TMU (The Mormon University).
    U of P (University of Provo)?
    BYU (Best Youth Universally)?

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    There is a stigma attached to graduating from a school that is a memorial and named after a notorious polygmist. It needs a new name more appropriate for the times and practices.

  • Mormoncowboy Provo, Ut
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Patriot -

    There needs to be correction to your statement. BYU doesn't "teach" the youth to adhere to the honor code, but "enforce" the honor code on college aged adults.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:25 a.m.

    Mormons believe in their religion and are not in conflict studying hard sciences, technology and business while doing it--in fact it is a basic religious principle to expand the mind and use the God-given talents we've all be blessed with to better the world and provide a strong foundation for a healthy and stable family life. All of which can start at a decent school--and there are few schools finer than the LDS colleges and universities. The administrations are top notch, but do not force students to compromise their religious beliefs in order to challenge themselves intellectually or spiritually. It is a healthy and real environment that does not need to follow educational fads or anti-establishment thinking in order to be impactful.

    So many schools in this country that were originally founded by religious organizations have adopted antireligious nonsense as its ruling guidelines--looking down upon the religious as uneducated and thumbing their noses at God.

    Good for the LDS church for sticking to what really matters.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    I actually, honestly feel bad for certain people whose names I will not mention that post on here quite frequently. I feel bad for those people whose whole point in life is to make themselves feel good and to bring others down. I feel bad for them because they've MISSED the whole point in life. Can't you, for once in your lives, be understanding and happy for others?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    There's no problem that this discussion is about religion. The problem is that this discussion is about athletes. Does this 'school' get into academics, too? Or is that just a sideshow to sports?

  • Mormonstudent Rexburg,, ID
    Aug. 29, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    Why doesn't BYU- Idaho ever get mentioned in these rankings? We have upwards of 15,000 full-time students, with enrollment increasing each year (far out-sizing Thomas Aquinas and most other private religious schools.) We are run independently of BYU, with our own (very different) general education requirements and graduation requirments. It's not that I think we are more pious or anything than our larger cousin to the south, but it seems that just about everything that applies to BYU applies equally well or better to BYU-Idaho.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    re: BYUCOLORADO | 12:19 p.m. Aug. 29, 2011

    "After all, in the NT if you asked people who were the most religious I bet the answer would have been the Sadducees and Pharisees."

    BYU is being compared to the Sadducees and Pharisees?

    "Sports are a side focus at BYU. We have greater ties that bind at BYU outside of sports."

    What are you saying; the check from ESPN won't be needed?

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    "Students are also required to sign a strict Honor Code which, among other things, commits students to "live a chaste and virtuous life," "obey the law," "use clean language," "abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee" and "participate regularly in church services."

    "how horrible. Only a cult would teach its youth to do such terrible things!"

    We are only a cult because we exclude those that just don't get it.

  • New Yorker Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    Those of you in the Institute Program at other universities can be just as outstanding (maybe even more so) by adhering to the same standards and building Zion where you stand. It is all in coming together as one!

    BYU grad class of 1968.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    "Students are also required to sign a strict Honor Code which, among other things, commits students to "live a chaste and virtuous life," "obey the law," "use clean language," "abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee" and "participate regularly in church services."

    how horrible. Only a cult would teach its youth to do such terrible things!!!

  • Old Gregg Alpine, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    @ChrisB

    So if religion and the honor code are the reasons why "athletes" aren't coming to BYU, then what is Utah's reason for athletes not going there?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Aug. 29, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    For all the "athlete recruitment" responses, you're completely missing the point of what this school stands for. As much as sports is important to the University (and it is big, and I LOVE to watch and attend as I can!), sports/athletics is far from THE key element of what this very unique university is about. What percentage of the entire 30K+ student population are student who compete on athletic teams in the first place? BYU has a higher, long-term mission to fulfill, and it fulfills that mission very well.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    No really....after 14 years this is still considered news??

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 29, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    @LValfre,

    "I wonder how many 'great' athletes are forgoing this school because of the honor code."

    I don't think anyone at BYU is really all that concerned about this. Students and athletes at BYU are expected to adhere to a high standard of conduct. If a student (athlete or not) is not interested in doing so, then they're a bad fit for university. It is better that they attend elsewhere. Frankly, there are quite a few "high profile" football programs that are currently wishing that their athletes had adhered to a higher level of conduct.

    As a side note, as a matter closely related to my field of expertise, you would be surprised how much businesses value students who have proven they can adhere to a high code of conduct.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 29, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    For all that are going to the school for the honor code, I wonder how many 'great' athletes are forgoing this school because of the honor code. The latter is most likely much higher than the former.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Aug. 29, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    As an SDSU and USC alumnus, my wife and I just dropped off our 3rd child to attend BYU or BYU-I. I couldn't be more impressed with both rankings! At the Freshman Orientation Convocation, Pres. Samuelson got the loudest ovation when he announced the "Stone Cold Sober" ranking. Obviously, students can find whatever "party element" they might be interested in if they look hard enough (at BYU as well), but I am so pleased with what this school represents-- which certainly sets it apart from other colleges, both public and private!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    hedge
    In 2009, BYU ranked in the top 20 recruiting classes. They are currently ranked in the top 30 and climbing for the 2012 class. Several highly ranked non-LDS athletes have either committed or signed along with several highly ranked LDS athletes during the past year. Other athletes are looking at BYU with favor because of the honor code, how it has been defended in the press and what BYU stands for. It is a matter of record in the DN and Trib. You are free to look it up.

    Clever of you to switch from crisb to hedgie for your response to mine. Not many are fooled.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Hedgehog,

    My son read me parts of an article recently explaining that the focus on the honor code has increased recruits lately. I also watched a special on BYU TV with interviews with non-LDS parents and student athletes saying this was one of the reasons they decided to go with BYU.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Just another of a long list of Number Ones for that wonderful representative of the Beehive State. BYU seems to be THE University Of UTAH! You know, the one that everyone looks to as the example...the one that all the others want to be like!

  • Mormoncowboy Provo, Ut
    Aug. 29, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    "Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints constitute just under 99 percent of the student body, but are not the only religiously affiliated students represented at BYU 305 of the 32,947 students enrolled at BYU during 2010 were affiliated with a range of religious traditions including Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism."

    An article that notes the ratio's above, should take care when expressing the "impressiveness" of BYU's 17/20 year ranking as the "most religious" in the student body makeup. In fact, what is impressive is that notwithstanding the fact that BYU is Mormon school where 99% of the student population is Mormon, other schools have managed to outrank 3 years out of 20. When one understands the educational need that BYU fulfills, that of educating young Mormons, it is not at all surprising that they achieve this ranking. Unlike any other University of its kind or size, BYU's targeted audience is young Mormons - and again, they make up more than 99% of the total student body.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    BYU being number one as the most religous and the most cold sober school are only some of the reasons I rate BYU as the number one college available. The enviroment to which these kids are able to live in is a big thing. Life is much more than sports and BYU helps the kids develop in all areas, the most important being spiritual. BYU is the best, keep it up.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Congratulations to BYU and to all the schools where there seems to be a higher level of committment to God, Country, Family and service to others. Congratulations also to all students wherever they may be and whatever religion they may espouse as they are committed to good living and high morals which honor their God.

    It gives one faith in new generations to know there are many students who worship God rather than worshipping the weekend or spring break Beer Bongs, Rave parties, sexual conquests etc.

    True school spirit is not in the stadium or on the hardwoods but in the character of the students who attend classes each day. Again congratulations to all students who live a higher standard wherever they attend school.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    I don't think that ranking means much. After all, in the NT if you asked people who were the most religious I bet the answer would have been the Sadducees and Pharisees. However, I don't think anyone would think that was benefitting them at all when Jesus called most of the hypocrits.

    That said, I thought the people at BYU were overall great folk (much like I think people in general are) but I just wanted to say that being "most religious" doesn't really mean much.

    RE: Chris B
    Good thing BYU's mission statement isn't to put the best football program in the nation on the field (although we did that in 1984). Sports are a side focus at BYU. We have greater ties that bind at BYU outside of sports.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Chris B

    So now you are saying that religious people are not athletes?

    First they are too white, now they are too religious?

    Dude, just comment that you hate BYU on every article. Don't hide behind "veiled arguments" about race, and religion to try to justify your hatred.

    Man up.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    "They have been getting better recruits / commitments the last few years BECAUSE of this"

    TJ,

    Can you quantify this statement? It appears to be exactly the same as it's been every year. No more no less.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    crisb
    You are so close to getting it sometimes. BYU wants the athletes that want to go to the most religious program in the country. They have been getting better recruits / commitments the last few years BECAUSE of this, not in spite of this as you would like to believe. They are getting some very good LDS and non-LDS athletes.
    You say the same thing on every BYU article and are oblivious to the fact that you are wrong each time.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Not what a top athlete recruit wants to hear. Not many athletes trying to get into the the most religious programs. It's the most athletic programs where kids want to go.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 29, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    no fit in SG:
    arizona is close a good place to relocate. you might want to consider that

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 29, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Now how will they ever determine who is the "Most Religious".
    People in this state have a never ending contest going.