It is obvious that the D News and BYU are bent on creating another
"icon" like Jimmer Fredette......which is impossible. Jimmer could
play, PERIOD! No wonder he is so adored by so many. They(monitors) continuously
delete posts that don't buy into the spin and hopes that is their primary
objective. Jake Heaps hasn't done anything noteworthy yet........except talk.
Win some big games, lead Jake and then you won't need to say much......like
Jake a "Jimmer?" Hahahahahahahaha!
An absolutely ridiculous article. Jake Heaps is Jake Heaps. He may turn out to
be a great college quarterback, but why continue with the nonsensical
conjecture? There are hundreds of college football players who have the same
"potential to be the next Jimmer".
Good article - only thing wrong is saying heaps is humble or modest. His being
proud of being humble is hypocrisy and a guy who believes and voices his belief
that he will be the best qb in the nation and that he will lead his team to a
national championship is not humble and is far from being comparable to the
Uncle Rico"Heaps is the greatest QB in NCAA history to lose to
Utah State."Nope, that would be Steve Young in 1982.Utah State has only beaten BYU twice since then, including last year.At a rate of one win every 15 years, the Aggies' should expect their next win
to come around 2025.Enjoy!
Heaps is the greatest QB in NCAA history to lose to Utah State.
What some biased fans just can't accept is the fact that Heaps' vast improvement
over the 2nd half of the season had far more to do with Jake and his supporting
cast simply getting better, than the level of competition getting worse.According to their bogus theory, however, Utah State(4-8), where
Heaps had an 84.59 rating, had a MUCH better defense than Utah, 114.74.
Even Wyoming(3-9), 100.58, had a better defense than Utah.
@Veritas Aequitas:Thank you! Love Boondock Saints. You're actually
the first to catch the reference, so big props!We've disagreed in
the past and are bound to again in the future, I completely agree with your
analysis of Rock's article.
Ragnar Danneskjold "the "theory" of QB's struggling
against better defenses than worse ones is "busted", unless of course
you have any sense of logic. Not to mention that you ignore Wynn's injury, and
like to say "Jordan's entire sophmore season" when he didn't play in a
lot of games."Wynn played in TEN games his Sophomore season.California did not have the worst defense Wynn and SDSU did not have one
of the best defenses Wynn played against as a Freshman.Theory of
strength of opponent being the sole determining factor in quarterback rating in
any given game still busted.As far as Wynn's injury, Wynn had the
best game of his career against Colorado State(3-9) two games AFTER he injured
his shoulder against Iowa State, then had another huge game against SDSU(9-4) a
@Lux et VeritasDude, love the name. I love the tounge in
cheel refernece to "Urim and Thummim".Brilliant!(Side note, when I was asked for a display name when I first registered, I had
just watched Boondock Saints for the "umpteenth" time, but the first
time on Blu Ray, and figured why not.But really, anyone who wants to
bring a little "veritas", no matter where the opinion comes from is
welcome.===Here's where I see Rock as dead on..."Heaps actually has a strong chance of being the next Jimmer, at
least in one sense. Energized by the move to independence and fresh off a great
basketball season, BYU fans are longing for another athlete to lionize."Jake could be a hero on campus.Otherwise, it's a huge
stretch to even compare the two. Different personalities, skill sets, sports,
opportunity to dominate a floor or field, etc.I do not anticipate
anyone capturing the fancy of a nation in football the way Jimmer did
basketball.Jimmer, we were lucky to have you.If Jake has
a college career like I think he can, it will be special, but Jimmermania was a
once in a lifetime experience.
Heaps will have to have an outstanding season just to match Ty's sophomore
season, let alone exceed it.32 TDs, 4560 yards, with 64% accuracy
and a 175 rating is not easily duplicated.
Yes CG, the "theory" of QB's struggling against better defenses than
worse ones is "busted", unless of course you have any sense of logic.
Not to mention that you ignore Wynn's injury, and like to say "Jordan's
entire sophmore season" when he didn't play in a lot of games. I am
not one of those people that will say Wynn is great and Heaps is garbage. But
BYU's schedule was frontloaded, while Utah's was backloaded. That is why one
trended up while the other trended down. Let's just say that the jury is still
out on both QB's.I will say on Heaps, that I still thought he looked
pretty good early. He is accurate. I think a big difference was that his
receivers got better (and obviously more time in the system helped). I can't
tell you how many well thrown balls I saw sail through someones hands at the USU
game (not that it would have mattered in that particular game). He will be good.
Only time will tell exactly how good.
And Wynn is not Detmer--And never will be.
Uteology"Did your analysis of Wynn and Heaps take into account
that the last 6 games of the freshman season for Wynn he played #6 TCU, #12 BYU,
and BCS team 8-4 Cali?"Yes, and it also took into account that
Wynn had the BEST game of his Freshman season against California(8-4) 173.03
rating, and one of the worst games of his Freshman season against SDSU(4-8)
120.29 rating. Based your "quality of opponent" theory
being the only meaningful factor that shouldn't have been possible. Your quality of opponent theory also doesn't explain how BYU(7-6) held Jordan
to the third lowest rating, 103.39, of his Sophomore season, when Wynn had his
third highest rating, 175.73, just a week earlier against SDSU(9-4).In other words, your theory that "quality of opponent" is the only
factor in QB rating has been BUSTED! - consider it FICTION! btw,
Wynn threw THREE picks against mediocre Wyoming(3-9) in 2010. That's as many
picks as Heaps threw against his last 6 opponents, COMBINED!
For the silly posters who like to rant and rave about everything BYU, go read
the Tribune. First, the Article never said Heaps was Jimmer. It stated he has
the potential to be Jimmer. It stated that Jimmer started to get noticed as a
Junior then had a great season as a Senior. It stated Heaps has a lot to prove
to even gain Jimmer status. It then ends stating that Heaps would at least have
to win a BCS game to even come close to Jimmer. I agree. When Heaps proves to me
that he is the best then I will agree he is the best. Until then, please just go
win some football. This season should be exciting. GO BYU.
Very intersting poll results. The majority feel that Heaps will not be as
popular as Jimmer (I agree) but the majority also feels that Heaps has more
potential in the Big Leagues. I totally agree and believe that Jake will become
a solid NFL QB one day, if he stays healthy. Jimmer will do well in the NBA but
will not be an all-star. I believe Jake has the potential to be a premier NFL
quarterback for many years at that level. It will be great to watch it all
Heaps like Jimmer? As of today Heaps is not even like Wynn in his freshman
year.@CGDid your analysis of Wynn and Heaps take into
account that the last 6 games of the freshman season for Wynn he played #6 TCU,
#12 BYU, and BCS team 8-4 Cali?Who did Heaps play in his last 6
games, best team #26 Utah (1 TD). In fact, Heaps had a total of 3
TDs vs good defenses, against cupcakes he tore things up just like Hoffman and
just like Quezada... but all three struggled against better defenses. This is
not an opinion, just go look at game stats. Heaps has the tools to
be a great QB at BYU. But as of today he's not.
Ohhhh brother. He's played one season of college football and had a 7-6 record
in that season! The six teams they beat last year are nothing to get excited
about. The combined records of the six teams you beat last year was 30-58, which
proves that the teams you beat is nothing to get excited about. And don't bring
up that you guys almost beat Utah, because that's not a valid point. We had an
injured QB at the time. Heaps is overrated!!!
"come on folks, the only reason Heaps "improved" in the second
half was because he was playing sub-par competition."Nobody is
denying that the easy schedule in the second half of the season contributed a
lot to Heaps' success, but it is far from the only reason. If you watched Heaps,
you would know that. At the beginning of the season, he just didn't know what he
was doing. You could tell he had a great arm, but he just didn't know the system
very well. It had little to do with the quality of the opponent. In the second
half of the season, he was much more confident, and made fewer mistakes. Once
again, more to do with his own grasp of things than the quality of his
opponents. Absolutely, it helped that he was up against easier competition, but
the point is that he took full advantage of it and used it as an opportunity to
improve his game personally.
@CG: You're correct - Heaps' definitely got better in the second half of last
season. That being said, you can't ignore that he did play in 6 of the 7 games
your stats exclude.For example, if you include all the games they
played in each of their freshman seasons, Wynn is a much better quarterback,
statistically.As a Ute fan I readily admit that Heaps has the
potential to be a better quarterback than Wynn will ever be. However, the fact
remains that Wynn has been the better quarterback based on actual play.Potential is the key word.Good luck to Heaps and the Cougars this
year. Except on Sept. 17.
There's only one Jimmer. We'll never see another. There's only
one Jake. We don't know much about him as yet. We hope for the best. May he
meet our expectations both on and off the field.
come on folks, the only reason Heaps "improved" in the second half was
because he was playing sub-par competition. If the schedule would've been
reversed he would've started well and finished poorly. But you can all keep
believing, afterall as long as the perceived "potential" to be the
next Jimmer is there you'll keep on buying your tickets and questing for
Alex Smith only had an 8.40 rating as a Freshman and a 152.35 rating as a
Lux et Veritas Jordan Wynn, a full-time starter with a year's
experience, getting starter's reps all spring and fall, surrounded by
experienced, Senior receivers and running backs, and starting the season with a
cupcake schedule, only managed 17 TDs during his entire Sophomore season.Jake Heaps, splitting time in practice and in games with another
quarterback, surrounded by inexperienced freshmen and sophomore receivers and
running backs, starting with a brutal early schedule, managed 14 TDs in the
final 6 games of his true Freshman season.Stats of the final six
games of Jake's and Jordan's Freshman seasons and Jordan's entire Sophomore
season:Heaps: 109/172, 1340 yards, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 152.19
ratingWynn Fr: 104/179, 1329 yards, 58.1%, 8 TDs, 4 ints, 130.75 ratingWynn So: 186/299, 2334 yards, 62.2%, 17 TDs, 10 ints, 139.85 ratingWhat's clear is Jake improved dramatically as soon as he began receiving
starters reps in practice and was able to develop timing and reads with his
receivers.Wynn is the same quarterback he was as a Freshman, and
nothing he's done since coming back from shoulder surgery gives any hope he'll
Lux et Veritas, I agree with what you are saying with the caveat that Heaps is
trending upward. We have every reason to believe that he will do much better
this year if the trend continues, but certainly this is only an IF, and Heaps
must actually put up the numbers to be deserving of such high praise. We cannot
crown him the next big thing, until he actually proves he is. It's just that if
you watched him in the second half of last season, it would be reasonable to
speculate that he COULD be the next big thing.I haven't seen a
single serious BYU fan predict a national championship. The hype is coming from
the DN writers in an effort to get you to pay attention and come on here and
comment. It's working. I don't think BYU is setting itself up for failure by
setting their goals high and having a positive attitude. I think BYU fans have
every reason to be optimistic, and I don't really see many of them being overly
optimistic. Most of them seem to think that calling Heaps the next big thing at
this point is ridiculous just like you do.
Jimmer-mania happened because he took care of it on the court. Heaps might get
there, but he is a sophomore who has proven nothing (shown flashes of great
potential), people need to cool it with the comparisons.
A little reality Ute fans. This article is the opinion of Brad Rock, not Cougar
fans. Brad is just stirring up a little controversy. Mission accomplished.
Heaps has yet to prove himself much like Wynn and the Pac-12. Get over
yourselves and accept the article for what it is. An opinion column based on
the whimsy of Brad Rock.
He hasn't been compared to Detmer yet, so for now I'm going with Wynn as the
He's gotta win in the clutch.Before that, all is mere talk.
plyxply | 8:05 a.m. Aug. 26, 2011 Same can most definitely be said of
Wynnie as well, he had the highest QB rating against pathetic teams then it came
crashing back to reality against TCU, Notre Dame, etc.
Commandment #2 "4.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the
earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5.Thou shalt
not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a
jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the
third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"-Exodus
20:4-5(Good luck in getting this posted) Let's practice what we
Hey, is ByuTv HD available on DirecTv yet?
I wish Heaps well, but agree with those saying this is premature. And I also
agree that declaring one's unproven self to be like another who has been fully
proved, is not quite humble, not yet. But he is young. He can get there if he
listens to Doman and Bronco. Go Jake. Go Cougars!
Below are Jake Heaps' stats from 2010:COMP = 219ATTP = 383YDS = 2316COMP% = 57.2TDWN = 15INT = 9SACK = 18RATING = 116.2WIN-LOSS = 7-5Below are Jordan Wynn's stats
from 2010:COMP = 186ATTP = 299YDS = 2334COMP% =
62.2TDWN = 17INT = 10SACK = 6RATING = 139.9WIN-LOSS = 10-2Crowning Heaps the next big thing is akin to saying
Wynn is "as good as Detmer." Yes, Heaps is a great quarterback. But
let's wait to crown him the next big thing until he performs on the field. Until then, don't believe the hype from the Perennial August National
Champions in Provo.
I doubt Jake would be a real factor in the Heisman race this year even if he had
a spectacular year. He's just too new. That being said, if Heaps DOES have a
spectacular year, BYU will be a force to be reckoned with. Between the schedule
and the strengths surrounding him, a modest showing by Heaps should get us to
9-10 wins. A great showing will mean a special season. A special season this
year with a strong returning class, an even better schedule and even more
exposure could make next year a special season indeed. But even if
Heaps does eventually bring home a Heisman I doubt he could reach the status of
As a rising Sophomore with loads of potential, a ton of momentum from last year,
and a bunch of exposure coming his way this year I completely understand the
Heaps-hype. I like cks discussion of what made Jimmer...Jimmer.
The reason Detmer won the Heisman was because of great exposure in a Jimmer-like
moment against Miami. How does a QB distinguish himself outside of being REALLY
good at what he does? Andrew Luck running over a safety on a long run last year
was pretty cool. Cam Newton was probably similar, but there was too much
scandal. Denard Robinson at the start of last year was probably a Jimmer-like
QB in that he was just crazy-scary good and different enough to get noticed. A
5,000 yard passer won't get it done anymore.My hope for Heaps is
that he uses last year as a springboard and has his best games in the biggest
games. In addition to the cupcakes, he played very well on the road in the
closing minutes at Utah last year, now he needs to build on that.
Jimmer was a bench player who only played sparingly as a Freshman.Jake was tossed into the fire in his first game as a true Freshman.Jake may not have the same personality as Jimmer, but he has enormous
potential as a player.I met Jake shortly after he arrived on campus
at a missionary farewell dinner for a BYU football player who was Brandon
Davies' best friend in high school.Jake was quietly sitting at a
table by himself and I didn't even notice him until my son pointed him out.Don't mistake confidence for arrogance. Someone who has worked as hard
as Jake has and has made himself into one of the best young college quarterbacks
has a right to have extreme confidence in himself and set the bar at the highest
level.Jake still has a long way to go to reach the level of the
other great BYU quarterbacks, but he has the potential to be better than all of
them, and when you're talking great BYU quarterbacks, you're talking about some
of the great college quarterbacks of all time.
Heaps hasn't played even one game as a sophomore. Same thing for most of his
receivers and tightends. Anyone with a brain can recognize Heaps poise,
accuracy, and arm strength. Whether he makes the jump to greatness won't be
determined until later - maybe even his junior or senior season. If it happens
this season, all the better.To all of you Ute trolls. Go read the
article about Chow comparing Wynn to Detmer. This is Wynn's junior year so if
he is like Detmer, you had better start the hype on Wynn's Heisman season.
I've been trying to come up with something to say....But the honest
truth, the ute fan / BYU haters comments on this are so stupid that I lack a
pithy comment.u really want to get into an argument about a
comparison about the greatness of two BYU players?u loose either
way. Neither went to the u.
This is not an apples to apples comparison. Fredette in his Senior
year did what nobody before him did in one sense. He took shots from way outside
that would be embarassing to even consider for the vast majority of college
players, and he made them with a high level of consistency. There are few
players that shot from way beyond the three point arc with a player right in
their face and made a high percentage of their shots the way Fredette did. His
elevation on his jumpshot was out of the ordinary and his concentration was top
level. Many more times, players wouldn't even guard him because they didn't even
think he would consider shooting from so far away. He made those unguarded shots
too. In order for Heaps to reach that kind of status, he has to
become unusually good in an extrordinary way. But the biggest
difference, Jimmer's personality is very different from Heaps. Jimmer's
unassuming nature, a refreshing change in these times, combined with his game is
what really put him in the national spotlight and created his huge following.
I loved Steve Young's legendary comments when he was interviewed about being the
second leading vote getter for the Heisman. Reporter asked: "Steve, how
does it feel to be voted the second best college football player in the
nation?" To which he responded (something like) "I'm not even the
second best player in my locker room. I play with some great teammates, they all
deserve to share in that honor." Or something close to that. Right now
Heaps and Doman should be singing the praises of their All-American tackle Mr.
Reynolds, who has earned the praise with a career of excellence - definitely not
talking about becoming the next Jimmer.
WOW! I think that Jake will become a good to great QB, but humble, and a laid
back kind of guy. Not so much. There is not a more boastful person on any of the
teams in the state than St Jake. National championship this, BCS that. I am all
for being a confidant person, and you really need to be to play QB, but come on.
Beat some good teams first, have a QB rating of something over 125 (by the way,
a QB rating of 125 is not that good) against a team with a winning record, then
start to predict the future of NC, and BCS games. I think those big wins will
surely come, but lets wait to call him the next Jimmer. Jimmer was a once in a
generation kind of player, and Heaps is not there yet. Not even close.
I am contantly amused by the way that BYU sets itself up to fail. You can set
your watch each year to the preseason hype and the impossibly high expectations.
I'm sure Heaps will be great (probably better than anything my Utes will come
up with during his time), but why do you always do this to yourselves? I'm
sorry, but the "Jimmermania" stuff was an outlier. It came and it
went. It's probably not coming back. So why pin your hopes for the season on a
return of "Jimmermania" now provided by Heaps? Looks like another
"Quest for Perfection" year coming up.
There's no doubt that Heaps improved dramatically in the second half of the
season last year, but what's with the Jimmer talk? Heaps needs to get the job
done against better opponents before we can even compare him to people like
Brandon Doman, John Beck and Max Hall, let alone Jimmer. I wouldn't be surprised
at all if he turned out to be really great, but he just hasn't done it yet.
Perhaps we can discuss this if and when Heaps has a break out game against Ole
Miss, Texas, Utah, UCF or TCU? At the very least he should have a good game
against Utah State.
We don't know if he'll achieve Jimmer status eventually, but I don't think
"you got Jaa-a-aked" is the best choice.How 'bout working
something out with "Heaps."Like "He Heaped on you
pretty bad"or"You're in Heaps of
trouble"One things is for sure. There's no shortage of hero
worship coming from the DN.
A lot of good comments on here from Cougars. Obviously an article baiting a lot
of comments. BYU fans seem to realize that Heaps has a ton of potential, but
still has a lot to prove. Could somebody please clue in the newspaper?
I had a big smile on my face as I was reading this article, knowing that it was
putting Ute fans into a tizzy. Thanks crowntown1 for confirming that!
"Doman notes that as a sophomore Heaps is performing at an equivalent or
higher level than NFLers Max Hall and John Beck did when they were
sophomores."That's nice talk, but let's get a couple of games
under our belt. If you know what I'm saying.plyxply said:
"Jimmer played well regardless of his competition, Jake Heaps played
terrible against decent teams, his only good games were against horrible
teams."Those terrible games were played by a freshman
quarterback - I think things a a little different now, sir.
Give Heaps time. He will get there.
Jimmer played well regardless of his competition, Jake Heaps played terrible
against decent teams, his only good games were against horrible teams. I
usually love Brad Rock's columns, but this is ridiculous.
I liked the "HEAPS" football. I want one.
Don't worry Rock...no need to get everyone in a tizzy. Heaps has got plenty of
Zip Codes to Airmail to...some very good horses for his Ground Express... a
tight security force to guard his Assets... a great tracking force to give him
the extra eyes he needs to find the best Routes to take... and a great bunch of
guys to make the turn around pickups and get a good volume of turn overs into
his Hands. The Heaps delivery system will deliver the mail..better than the
competition. It's not a one man show...no need to Fredette over anything.
Jake is not Jimmer. He says he's humble, but he's too outspoken for that to be
believable. That's fine, but one thing that made Jimmer so popular nationally is
that he let his game do all the talking. Jake has given more soundbites in one
year at BYU that Jimmer did in four.Another thing is that Jimmer was
an underground sensation. Lack of exposure made the country feel like they were
discovering a hidden gem. Jake started his career in the spotlight and it will
only intensify.I think Heaps will be really good. I hope so, at
least. But, BYU will probably never see another Jimmer.
Media is trying to compare him to Jimmer. A fabricated story to get readers
riled up on both sides. Only 8 more days until real football stories can
"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of
value."-Albert EinsteinDon't get me wrong, I love BYU.
But Jake, you haven't done anything yet. Lets stop the Grammy Award speeches
until you can beat Utah State. Your comments should be "There is no
comparison between Jimmer and me." Because there isn't.
Heaps is not Fredette yet===Give Wynn a chance. He's Ty
If Jake gets a better name, he will come close to Jimmer. Jimmer has the aura,
Jake kind of doesn't...let's just hope we don't have to call him Jake the Flake
though. I think that those kool aid drinking Cougars should be much more pleased
about Jake though than a flu stricken, shoulder injured, long haired guy who
needed canes after losing to the Cougars in overtime. Long live Jake Heaps.
crowntown1 "I'm sick and tired about hearing from BYU fans"First, you were the first to comment, so I don't know how you heard from
any BYU fans.Second, there's a simple solution . . . quit reading
BYU articles and our comments. U seem to be obsessed with BYU articles and
making comments about our comments. If you don't want to hear about BYU, find
something else to read.
If Jake wins big games this year (Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, , UCF, TCU, Hawaii) he
will quickly move onto the radar. But I think he'll need to deliver a BCS birth
or win to achieve Jimmer status. When Jimmer lit up Arizona his
Junior year, he grabbed the nation's attention. But it wasn't until he
consistently delivered in big games his Senior year that he begame a legend.
Say what Brandon Doman, Jimmer is the best?What about athletes that
actually proved themselves after college like Danny Ainge or Steve Young?
Are you guys serious? How do you guys make this sruff up? No wonder all Y fans
are drinking the kool aid that the D news feeds them. Because I'm sick and tired
about hearing from BYU fans about would coulda shoulda's that's all they got.
"Is this year they bust the BCS"?? NOPE! Truly the definition of
insanity come into play here.