re: LonestarRunner | 6:39 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Alex Smith didn't win a
single national quarterback honor, despite being a #1 draft pick.Detmer had 10,000 more passing yards and 74 more TDs than Utah's greatest QB
ever"And yet, their pro careers of both were/are less than
exceptional.I wonder if I should even mention Andre Ware?
Detmer is in the top 10 of best college QB's ever. Sorry chow.
Wynnie the Pooh...is Detmer II....Naaaaaaaaah...Never happen!!!
NavalVetOnly a frantic Ute fan would get so emotional over a simple
navel vet"Only a frantic and emotional cougar fan would suggest
"prov[ing]" something by "predicting" the outcome"Not really.Anywho is so fanatical about the infallability of
stats as Uteology should have no problem running the numbers and being able to
predict with a high degree of accuracy future results based on past
performance.The only reason Uteology won't rise to the occassion to
accept the challenge is because he knows he's just blowing smoke with his
stats.Heaps will have a 20 to 40 point rating advantage over Wynn in
2011.And before you start spewing strength of schedule nonsense,
consider this,last year's combined records for BYU's and Utah's 2011
opponentsBYU 72-79 (four opponents with double-digit win seasons)Utah 74-76 (not a single opponent with a double-digit win season)Only one of Utah's nine PAC 12 opponents had a better record than BYU did last
season, and that team, USC, has been decimated with scholarship reductions.So much for Utah's "grueling" PAC 12 schedule.
LonestarRunner:"...then prove it by predicting how they'll do
this year."Hahaha! Only a frantic and emotional cougar fan
would suggest "prov[ing]" something by "predicting" the
sports-junkie,Wynn was pulled from the BYU game, because that's when
his shoulder, which had been injured against Iowa State, got worse and he wasn't
able to be effective. It had nothing to do with confidence from the coaching
staff. Let's try to stick with the truth, shall we.
Well...Wynn IS on the 2011 Manning Award watch list.And... Heaps is NOT.Utah 12BYU 0
Stackhouse | 10:29 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Paradise, Nv Comparing
Jordan Wynn to Ty Detmer is like comparing Dan Quayle to JFK. ===It's like comparing Chow in 1984 to Chow in 2010.
Uteology | 9:53 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas "@Veritas AequitasWhere did I say Wynn = Detmer or anyone
else?"===It's in the article we are discussing. Did
you read the article? And now I agree with the article because of your post...
(or not)Are you saying your comment was "off topic"?Wow, that would be a first. You almost never, well sometimes, ok allways
go off topic.Come back when you want to discuss the article, and not
compare Heaps and Wynn. It's been done.This is a different topic.Love ya.
UteologyIf you're really convinced that the full-season stats for
Heaps and Wynn are an accurate guage of the two quarterbacks, then prove it by
predicting how they'll do this year.My 2011 PredictionsHeaps - 260/400, 4500 yds, 65%, 30 TDs, 10 ints, 179.25 ratingWynn -
195/325, 2550 yds, 60%, 20 TDs, 12 ints, 138.83 rating
Better yet comparing Jordan Wynn to Ty Detmer is like comparing Ryan Kaneshiro
to Louie Sakoda.
Comparing Jordan Wynn to Ty Detmer is like comparing Dan Quayle to JFK.
Jordan gets yanked in the BYU game for poor production and then sits out the
Vegas Bowl because of an injury. In fact, over the final 5-6 games of the
season, Jordan was average at best. How are U spinning this into "Jordan
Wynn reminds me of Ty Detmer"?Trusting Chow and all his
"Coach Talk" means you must surely believe Whitt has grossly
mishandled Jordan Wynn. If you actually believe that Wynn should even be
mentioned in the same breathe as Ty you must be so irate at how Jordan was
handled last year from the Coaching staff that you should be calling for Whitts
job. Right? I mean, Norm Chow knows everything, right?Bottom line:
Coach Whitt and Norm Chow cannot both be right. Either Jordan is the next Ty
Detmer or... (brace yourselves) He is so inconsistent and fragile that he needed
be pulled at a crucial time in the rivalry game because he cannot be trusted. It
cannot be both. So who's wrong?
@Veritas AequitasWhere did I say Wynn = Detmer or anyone else?
Provide the post please. Or did you just make that up?Second, Heaps
was brought into this discussion when one of your fans stated that Wynn was the
3rd best QB in the state. I just proved him wrong. Care to provide a counter
argument?Cute using spelling/grammar smack on a sports thread, and
then pretending that it never happened.
Uteology | 7:08 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas "ESPN rates Wynn #38 and Heaps #98."===Well,
Uteology has sold me. I know this is a true article beyond a shadow
of a doubt.That Norm Chow is not getting fuzzy with age, and Wynn =
Detmer, Palmer, Leinart, Rivers, Young, McMahon, Wilson because of... Jake Heaps
QB ratings last year.Once again Uteology provides the missing link
that has eluded everyone. Another case solved!..........I can't decide which shirt to wear tomorrow."Heaps for
Heisman", or "Max Hall Hates Me"?Those darn Ute fans
are so darn cute!!!
LonestarRunner | 6:17 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011As far as Heaps, despite
Uteology's meaningless full-season stats drum beating, the vast difference
between Heaps and Wynn will become abundantly apparent in the next month. ---------What... "meaningless full-season stats"?
Please tell ESPN which games you don't like so we can use only those games you
approve of to rank Heaps.Unlike you I can't guarantee the future so
that's why I said "as of today" using last years "meaningless
full-season stats" ESPN rates Wynn #38 and Heaps #98.Cleo,
while you are at it can you please tell us what the stock market will do next
PacNorthUte"Detmer was the TDS only Heisman winner, and how
long ago was that?? We at least we had Alex in the running in my life time. Were
you even alive when Detmer got his award 21 years ago??" Detmer
won the Heisman (Dec 1990) less than 8 years before Utah made its NCAA
championship game run (Mar 1998), yet Utah fans love acting like the world began
the day they were born.Alex Smith didn't win a single national
quarterback honor, despite being a #1 draft pick.Detmer - 958/1530,
15031, 62.6%, 121 TDs, 65 int, 162.74 ratingSmith --- 389/587, 5203,
66.3%, 47 TDs, 8 ints, 164.42 ratingDetmer had 10,000 more passing
yards and 74 more TDs than Utah's greatest QB ever.
Sounds like a lot of Utah fans are grasping at straws.Chow was
obviously just trying to instill a little confidence in his young QB by
comparing him to one of the all-time great college QBs.Unfortunately
for Utah, Wynn isn't even close:Detmer - Fr/So: 348/565, 5812 yards,
61.6%, 45 TDs, 25 int, 165.44 ratingWynn --- Fr/So: 290/478, 3663 yards,
60.7%, 25 TDs, 14 int, 136.44 ratingHeaps -- last 6: 109/172, 1340 yards,
63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 int, 152.19 ratingWynn is already more than 2000
yards and 20 TDs behind Detmer's Fr/So pace and Wynn has ZERO chance of matching
the 5200 yards and 41 TDs that Ty had during his Junior year.As far
as Heaps, despite Uteology's meaningless full-season stats drum beating, the
vast difference between Heaps and Wynn will become abundantly apparent in the
This comparison is nothing compared to the undeserved praise Heaps is getting.
Jake Heaps has done NOTHING on the football field and has NO quality wins on his
Resume and yet they're anointing him the next Jimmer Fredette for pete's sake.
Detmer was a great player...no doubt about that and proved to be a classy player
and person - Wynn has also showed a lot of class and toughness! It seems pretty
weak to rag on an injured player that tried his best to help his team.Will he play as well as Detmer? Too soon to tell...he is playing with a
completely different cast of team mates and a surgically repaired shoulder...but
having Chow make these kind of statements DOES get me more excited for next week
(so, if it is all about hype...well, it worked on me). I am way excited to watch
college Football...next Thursday will begin the 2011 story...Go
Well I have never said wynn is injury prone, one injury doesn't make a guy
injury prone. But sliding 1 yard short of a 1st down, when he could have made
it, just to avoid a hit, is not the sign of a tough player. So he may or may not
get injured but my lasting ipression of him is anything short of tough.By the way, that isn't just my impression. Why don't some of you utah
"fans" go back to last years articles and read your own comments about
wynn after he wimped out with that slide. They are far more brutal than anything
any BYU fans have written about him in this, or any other, article.
CA. reader,Nobody said he would match Detmer's stats. Chow was
asked by a reporter to compare Wynn to other QB's he has coached so he did. He
didn't say Wynn had or would accomplish the same things, just that he has
Duckhunter,I'm smart enough not to challenge someone who has spent
30+ years coaching some of the most talented offensive players in the country
and is the only coach to have worked extensively with both Ty Detmer and Jordan
Wynn. Disagree with him all you want, but his credibility in judging football
talent trumps yours by leaps and bounds.
I have been concerned that Coach Chow was losing his grip. I think this article
proves it.I hope the kid is healed and that he survives the season
but he doesn't have the time or the situation to accomplish what Ty Detmer did
I've seen both quarterbacks play, yes Wynn can be good at times, but far to
inconsistent nothing like Detmer, except both kind of small for quarterbacks and
kind of ugly, but Wynn will never be Detmer.
@USAlover | 3:46 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011Wynn is the third best quarterback in
the State of Utah. ----------According to ESPN Wynn #38
and Heaps #98 as of today, from last season stats.If your using some
other measurement please share.
I don't know about anyone else, but from what i've seen of uninjured Jordan(Iowa
State game and before), he has been pretty good. I have no idea why some people
are saying that it is typical of him to miss games due to injury? He played
through most of last season with a shoulder that required surgery. I'm not
saying he's as tough as detmer, but he is definitely detmer-like in that regard
at least. As far as accomplishments go, Wynn gets killed by detmer, but
Chow never said that. Jordan does have two more years to show how good he can
be, so cut him a break.
Wynn is the third best quarterback in the State of Utah. Comparisons to Ty
Detmer make even my most fervant Utah friends bust up laughing.
I can see a lot of similarities -- the whispy hairs on the upper lip, the teethy
grin, the slight build. But on the field, as a football player, I haven't seen
the similarities. I hope Wynn can be that kind of player, but that is wishful
thinking at best for me.
@uteology and moron uteYou mean I don't have any credibility with a
couple of utah "fans". Especially when it is a couple of obviously
fantastic football minds like you two posess. Man this is devastating.
@regisYou obviously never saw Detmer play. Nobody who watched him
would say that Detmer didn't deserve the Heisman trophy. He still holds records
20 years later.
High praise indeed. Ty's dad was a defensive coach I believe and Ty was really
good at reading defenses.
Re: Naval VetI'm not sure what kind of "news" you're
trying to give me here. I'm very well aware of the Chow saga. Who cares what
"opinions" were written in newspapers about why Chow didn't get the HC
job before or after Crowton. My point is we'll never know what internal
decisions were made at BYU in that regard, and we all know how BYU jealously
guards its privacy on such issues. Fact of the matter is that BYU determined he
was not right for the HC job. Apparently other D-1 programs have felt the same
@Duckhunter: "Please norm, this is certianly damaging your
credibility." Let me quote you again, "LOL".Ironic coming from someone who has no credibility, here let me quote you
again: "Not one offensive player from the Utes would start at the Y [this
year]".Please duck, just give us your riveting opinion without
calling out the opinion of one of the brightest minds in college football.Detmer was a great player, lets just see if Chow has the touch to get
Wynn to that level. Personally, with the defense we have I think half that
level would equal a chance at the Rose Bowl.
I have read most of the comments but now it is time to consider:Elder Marvin J. Ashton: "When others disagree with our stand we should
not argue, retaliate in kind, or contend with them.... Ours is to explain our
position through reason, friendly persuasion, and accurate facts. .. but to
contend with no man or organization. Contention builds walls and puts up
barriers. Love opens doors.... Contention never was and never will be an ally of
progress." (Ensign, May 1978, pp7-8)
Why did Norm compare him to Ty, rather than Matt, Carson or one of the multitude
of Heisman winners and NFL greats? Trying to hype the game. Not sure it is good
for Jordan to place that label on him. Still a lot of rivalry, sells
tickets are will get the u for national exposure with their Y game.
giantfan:"Funny how BYU haters supposedly know more about
what's going on 'behind the scenes' at BYU than actual fans of the program
do..."It was hardly "behind the scenes" news. The
Crowton/Chow saga had been reported in both the DNews and the SLTrib sometime
between Crowton being installed at the Y and Chow stepping in at NC State.And then retold right after Crowton was fired. Chow was already at USC
at the time, and the media rehashed that story with the slant that the Y has no
chance at landing him now.I don't know why this is news to you.
Re: regisYour comment is so full of inconsistencies and irrational
statements that it's hard to know where to begin.First of all, how
old were you, if you even existed yet, in 1990? Detmer rewrote the NCAA record
books. If you could even argue that Detmer was "not worthy of the
Heisman" then it's even more arguable that no one in the entire history of
the Heisman Trophy has ever earned it. And what does the NFL have to
do with it? I get so tired of that lame argument. If future NFL prowess was a
requirement to win the Heisman then Andre Ware, David Klingler, Charlie Ward,
Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, Tim Tebow, among a host of others, had
no business winning it either.
Fact is, Ty Detmer wasn't all that exceptional. No doubt he was a good college
quarterback, but not terribly exceptional, and definitely not worthy of a
Heisman. He won the award more because of the accomplishments of his
predecessors, McMahon and Young, either of whom was truly exceptional and either
of whom would have been worthy of the Heisman.What did Ty do in the
pros? Compare that to McMahon and Young.
Naval Vet,Have you really paid attention to Jordan Wynn's play?
Obviously you missed the fact that he played the rest of last season after the
Iowa State game with a bad throwing shoulder that got much worse during the BYU
game. You're out of touch.
Naval Vet,"Chow was promised the HC job by fmr-Athletic
Director Rondo Fehlberg. But Fehlberg retired before Lavell did. Fehlberg's
successor then gave the HC job to his old high school buddy, Gary Crowton. So
Chow left, and the rest is history."Funny how BYU haters
supposedly know more about what's going on "behind the scenes" at BYU
than actual fans of the program do... This sounds like a Rudy
situation. AD promises to make him coach but then leaves before it can happen.
Maybe if the players would've gone into the AD's office and placed their jerseys
on his desk then maybe he would've honored his predecessor's promise. The point is, BYU made the right decision, in my opinion, in not promoting
Chow. That doesn't mean they made the right one in hiring Crowton, but that's a
I don't think Wynn has the potential as Detmer but then again I'm NOT a
respected assistant football coach who has helped coach 8 of the top 14 career
passing-efficiency leaders and 13 quarterbacks who rank among the top 30 in NCAA
history for single-season passing yardage. But I am a Ute so I'm
hoping Wynn becomes 14 of 30 for Chow.As always...Go
Coming from Chow... one of the best offensive minds in College Football... it is
a nice compliment...but now that it's been said... Wynn's really going to have
to come through on the performance end to earn that kind of praise. That's going
to be the tricky part. We'll just have to see.Detmer deserved the
Heisman when he won it ..but along the way BYU's 3 other great Quarterbacks that
Chow coached had a big roll in leveling and laying the groundwork for that
Heisman Trophy...and none more than Jim McMahon...probably one of the best
Quarterback's in all of College Football. I don't know...that's a pretty tall
order for Wynn to keep pace with and to live up to over the next two years. I
just don't see it happening.
sports-junkie,No, I don't want it both ways. The Ute Coach who is
making the comparison actually has coached both players and spent hours working
with them both. To me that gives him a lot more credibility when comparing them
than anybody on this comment board. But please keep in mind, he said nothing
about their accomplishments being similar and I don't think any Ute fan on this
board would try to do that either. We're talking about characteristics and
ability. I think Coach Chow has proven his ability to make those kind of
judgements.As far as your injury comments about Wynn. Typical
exageration from BYU fans. Wynn played hurt for more than half the season last
year and you guys not only claim he's injury prone, but that he goes down
easily. There is absolutely no proof of that.
giantfan:Chow was promised the HC job by fmr-Athletic Director Rondo
Fehlberg. But Fehlberg retired before Lavell did. Fehlberg's successor then
gave the HC job to his old high school buddy, Gary Crowton. So Chow left, and
the rest is history.
sports-junkie:"Until I see something different from JW Im not
even willing to compare him to Jake Heaps at this point."Correct you are sports-junkie. Up to this point in time, Wynn had been ranked
among the Top-40 QBs in the country. Heaps ranked somewhere down there in the
90-100 range. No comparison indeed.
Re: Mormon Ute,Chow left BYU because he thought he deserved the HC
position. He felt he had "earned" it instead of actually being the
right guy for the job. Apparently BYU didn't believe he was and they're not
alone in that opinion among D-1 schools. Maybe BYU felt he didn't have the right
skill set for the job, I don't know. Or maybe they didn't feel like he was the
right ambassador for the University. I've heard from more than one former player
that Chow has the foulest mouth they've ever heard.That being said,
any insinuation that he was not "done right" by the University is
probably not made with any sort of authority of knowing all the facts.
Veracity:"There is one staring difference...Detmer could take a
hit and keep on tickin'...Wynn will go out with a hang nail..."Detmer was QB during my Freshman year -- my ONLY year studying at the Y. I
remember sitting in the North endzone for a broken play where Detmer scrambled
out of the pocket, and dove head-first in for a TD. Right before he landed, a
LB came across and just NAILED him -- helmet to helmet. I thought he'd be
wheeled of the field on a medical stretcher, but he just popped right up, and
trotted over to the sideline so Special Teams could come on and kick the PAT.
And then Detmer continued to play the remainder of the game. Detmer
was a TOUGH competitor.I'm a huge Ute fan, but I have serious doubts
that Wynn could have taken a hit like that.Hopefully, our O-Line
will have improved to the point that Wynn won't have to.GO UTES!
I love how Ute fans are justifying this. Two years ago Jake Heaps
commits to BYU and in all the excitment for Cougar fans, Ute fans were acting
unimpressed. National experts ranked Jake the #1 HS qb in the country and Ute
fans kept telling BYU fans that Jake had done nothing to deserve the high praise
and high expectations. "He has done nothing on the field", you all
kept saying.So now, Jordan gets compared to one of BYU's all time
greats by a U of U coach and Im supposed to be impressed and so are U? Give me a
break. Jordan Wynn is still Jordan Wynn. The fact that Chow compared him to
Detmer means nothing. One hit and "the next Ty Detmer" will be out 6-8
weeks. Always like U to want it both ways. Until I see something
different from JW Im not even willing to compare him to Jake Heaps at this
"Can't wait to buy my first "Wynn for Heisman" shirt at the
DI."Very Aquy:Oh, so YOU'RE the guy that bought up
all those "qUest for perfection" t-shirts. I hadn't ween them around
much in the last few years. They were great, just the wrong color.
giantfan,I don't know the details of why Norm Chow left BYU
disgruntled. As a Ute fan I didn't follow it too closely. I just know that he
didn't leave happy or on his own terms. Along with that, there seem to be some
BYU fans who haven't gotten over it and either hold a grudge against him or are
jealous of any program he works for. So I see a lot of those fans now
questioning his opinion of Jordan Wynn and I say get over it folks. You lost
him, we've got him and we're happy to have him. We like the fact that we have
an OC who knows how to take full advantage of Wynn's talents and continue his
development into a great QB.
lol. Much ado about nothing chow said that he "reminds" him of
detmer; he is hardly saying that he is as good as detmer. But it sure is
causing meltdowns all over the place. let it go cougar fan. its one persons
opinion. dont let your blood pressure get too high.
wwookie said,"I don't remember detmer ever being under
center"That's weird because my lasting memory of Detmer is
seeing him yell out the snap count while being under center.
Veritas,The Utes don't make predictions and put them on t-shirts
which end up at the DI, but I have heard of that type of thing happening in
Mormon Ute,"Well folks, just deal with it. If your school's
athletic administration had stepped up for Chow when it counted, he'd probably
still be working for BYU and you might have had another Heisman winner and maybe
even another national title. As it is, we've got him now and are happy to have
him."What do you mean "stepped up" for Chow? By
giving him the Head Coaching job when Lavel retired? Did they owe him that, or
something? Apparently many people out there believe that Norm Chow is not Head
Coach material, or else he would've gotten a shot at it by now. USC, North
Carlonia State, the Tennessee Titans, UCLA have not seen him fit of anything
more than an OC. I think BYU made the right move in not promoting him.
Papa Smurf UTE,"He also beat your beloved Cougs with 5 min of good
football" Was that during the muffed put return by the put returner, or
the bad call by the ref or the interceptions that he threw when he was in the
game, or how about BYU coaches preventing Jake Heaps from making a play at the
end of the game?
"As far as the smarts are concerned, he reminds me a lot of Ty
Detmer," Chow said. "(He has) the same stature, the same kind of
fun-loving attitude, the same leadership skills and the same decision-making
that Ty had and Ty was exceptional."Please explain to me where
Chow is comparing Wynn's QB skills, statics or record as a QB with Detmer's. I
will assume most of you didn't read the article.Veritas I'm
supprised you neglected to point that out, but then again it's not Ute fans
questioning his logic..
Wookie said,"Its an opinion people. Just comparing characteristics.
Chow knows better than anyone else when comparing Wynn to Detmer on the football
field. Again Y fans, why so much animosity and hostility toward your U
brothers/sisters, isn't that against the teachings of our faith?"But is it really his opinion or is it something he feels he has to say to
motivate his QB, his team, and the fanbase? When posed such a question by a
reporter, he can't say, "no, he's no where close to the caliber of the
heisman trophy winners I've coached." Chow's statement is outlandish at
best to the layman since we have yet to see any sort of proof that the two QB's
are evenly remotely comparable.
Duckunter,Sorry but you already trashed your credibility when your
Pac 12 Network prediction crashed and burned. So to have you questioning Norm
Chow's credibility is a laugher. The fact is he has proven he knows how to
coach good QB's and knows how to judge talent. You've proven you now how to
spout nonsense and drivel on comments boards any time something positive is said
about the Utes. So thanks, but I'll take Coach Chow over you any day.
I didn't know chow was a comedian. That was funny. Detmer won a Heisman, wynn
can't even make an all-conference team and most likely wouldn't even be the
back-up QB at BYU this year.
@wookie"Again Y fans, why so much animosity and hostility
toward your U brothers/sisters, isn't that against the teachings of our
faith?"Ttypical lame assertion from a utah "fan".
Keep your religion smack to yourself.As far as the wynn being as
good as any of those Heisman winners, NCAA record holders, All Americans,
etc.Bwaaaaahaaaahaaaaaaa.........Please norm, this is
certianly damaging your credibility.
I applaud the BYU fans who still have enough respect for Chow to value his
opinion, but I LOL at all the others who are just going balistic after reading
this article. I know it must be hard after you've spent the past 6 months
making disparaging remarks about Jordan Wynn on these comment boards to now have
someone much closer to the situation and with far more expertise than yourselves
give him such high praise.Well folks, just deal with it. If your
school's athletic administration had stepped up for Chow when it counted, he'd
probably still be working for BYU and you might have had another Heisman winner
and maybe even another national title. As it is, we've got him now and are
happy to have him.
Wookie | 9:34 a.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Omaha, NE "Again Y fans, why
so much animosity and hostility toward your U brothers/sisters"===Relax Wookie.No animosity or hostility.You have
to admit that it is humorous to hear the "oversensitive to hyperbole"
group jump on thw Wynn = Detmer, Palmer, Leinart, Rivers, Young, McMahon, Wilson
That will be the day. When pigs fly. Chow is a good coach and he is trying to
get the most out of his QB. But I guarantee you he really doesn't think Wynn is
as good as Detmer.
Its an opinion people. Just comparing characteristics. Chow knows better than
anyone else when comparing Wynn to Detmer on the football field. Again Y fans,
why so much animosity and hostility toward your U brothers/sisters, isn't that
against the teachings of our faith?
Can't wait to buy my first "Wynn for Heisman" shirt at the DI.The comparison is otherwise so rediculous, my eyes are watering from
laughter. Funniest quote ever from a Utah coach.....""Just as good, just as good as any of them," Chow said.Big praise considering Chow has coached three Heisman Trophy winners
(Detmer, Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart) and four other high NFL draft picks
(Phillip Rivers, Steve Young, Jim McMahon and Marc Wilson)."
I am willing to take Chow's word for it until proven otherwise. Stop comparing
Ty and Jordans statistics. Wynn still has two full seasons to write his story.
If he has a couple of 10+ win seasons, he will be considered one of the best U
qb's ever. The U haters on this article sound just as insecure as the Y
haters on the article about the running backs.
Veracity,Wynn will go out with a hang nail huh? Where did you come
up with that wonderful prognostication? I assume you went to the Y for your
schooling. Seeing as how Wynn played over half a season with a shoulder that
needed major surgery, I am 100% sure that he will play in every game, as long as
he doesnt have a major injury. He also beat your beloved Cougs with 5 min of
good football, and a injured shoulder. I by no means think that Wynn is anywhere
near Detmer right now, but Chow said he REMINDS him of Detmer. His attitude,
smarts, fun loving style of play and leadership. Read that article and then make
a comment that actually makes sense.
Wynn reminds me of when Ty Detmer had both shoulders dislocated against Texas
A&M after winning the heisman. Actually I am surprised that Chow would say
this and increase the pressure on himself if Wynn underperforms.
wynn must remind chow of Detmer after the TAMU bowl game with a couple of
damaged shoulders. I'm sure that's it.
Let the psychological games begin . . .This false sense of security
has to be good for both players and fans alike - at least for another week or
two until reality CRASHES the party.
When Jordan Wynn was healthy, he has been very good. If the Utes can protect
his health, his shoulder, etc....he can be a very, very good quarterback. His
Freshman year was amazing. I remember him trotting onto the field for the first
time in 2009 and watching him make all the throws with all the confidence in the
world. Now healthy, he'll be back to form in 2011. I look forward
to Ty Detmer like numbers and wins. 1 week to go!!!
When I read the name of this article I thought it was a joke. I have a lot of
respect for Norm Chow but, come on. There is nothing that Jordan Wynn does that
comes close to what Detmer was in college, nothing. Detmer had heart and wasn't
throwing off his back foot everytime someone was in his face. Detmer wasn't
scared of getting hit. Detmer actually stepped into his thows and had great foot
work. Jordan Wynn has non of that. I hear Alex Hart is now available to play,
Coach Whit should go get him right now and get him ready to lead this team next
year because Wynn will be done after the 4th game this year. Good luck to the
Utes this year you will need it. I'm serious about them going to get Hart to
play next year. He would be a perfect fit for this team.
Even as a Ute fan I'll go ahead and call the bluff here. Norm must be
playing head games with Jordan and the team trying to inspire confidence and
leadership out of Wynn. One of those self-fulfilling prophecy dealios.I
actually think it's a wise move being that confidence is half of any athlete's
success, but he's not on Ty Detmer's level...no where near. I hope he'll get
even remotely close before all's said and done but I can't say I'll be holding
There is one staring difference...Detmer could take a hit and keep on
tickin'...Wynn will go out with a hang nail...Please, Wynn will be
ok if he has a line...oops, I guess he is in trouble.
HA!! Wynn isn't even a shadow of Detmer! Chow knows better. Detmer won the
Heisman and then played 11 years in the NFL. Is Wynn up for that???
Not to be offensive - but, I think I'll rely more on Norm Chow's assessment than
the opinions of a bunch of bloggers (of which I include myself). Chow saw the
potential of Detmer...and then helped him achieve that potential. It will be
great if Jordan has that same potential.I recall a lot of banter
about the fragility of Smith and Johnson and then the team came together, the
play calling fit their styles and well...BCS for both!Go Utes!
How many Heisman winners have been utes?Biggest differnce is that Detmer
has heart. Wynn is constantly hurt and on the sidelines.
@chrissy bee very nice.@pacnorthute. Yes.I think Chow
was thinking of the 1987 Detmer.
lol! Obviously, I dont consider Jordan Wynn to be on the same level as Ty
Detmer, but i do love it that Chow said this! It gets under the cougar fans
@ Mormon UteCompletely agreed.
@alterEGO, Heisman this year?? Detmer was the TDS only Heisman winner, and how
long ago was that?? We at least we had Alex in the running in my life time.
Were you even alive when Detmer got his award 21 years ago??
I'm sorry, I thought that it was just Cougar fans and coaches that were accused
of hype and hyperbole? Really, comparing Jordan Wynn to a QB that threw for
over 15,000 yards in his career and set over 70 NCAA records on his way to a
Heisman as a Jr.? C'mon Ute fans...its time to get back to just worrying about
your next game. Wynn isn't even worthy to lace up Detmer's sneakers.
must be the hair and partial mustachio...perhaps the nose. It looks
like the Utes are getting their first Heisman this year.
You are all full of it and so is Chow to compare him or anyone to Detmer nor is
it fair to Wynn. We are talking about a Heisman Trophy winner and spent a long
time in the NFL. No he did not play much but still had a long career. By the
time Detmer was a junior he was great Wynn not even close to Detmer in #'s wins,
yards and everything else.
Hopefully Chow is referring to the Detmer that threw 7 picks in one game when he
was with the Lions.
Uhhh, serious?Detmer is the best QB in Chow's era. If you polled the
audience, I don't think Wynn would make the Top 10 when you take the BYU QBs,
Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer, and Philip Rivers. Wynn might be in the same ranks
as John David Booty, but that's about it.
I know Ty Detmer. Ty Detmer is a friend of mine. Jordan Wynn is no Ty Detmer.
Built Ute Tuff! With BYU stuff!
I'm a Cougar fan who thinks Wynn has been good when healthy, and I respect
Norm's opinion. He's earned that respect.As to the article, just
once I'd like to see a writer get it right. I don't think Norm was the QB coach
for Jim McMahon and Marc Wilson, and probably not for Steve Young. He was the
receivers coach at the time. I'd like to know what year/what QB he started
Detmer is my all-time favorite quarterback for the reasons coach Chow just said.
Even if Wynn is half of that, I'd be pleased. That kind of praise isn't easily
given. If Wynn stays healthy, he definately gives the Utes a chance to win the
I watched Detmer play in person. Wynn is only a junior. He has a chance to be a
great quarterback.I think CHow knows what he is talking about more than any
readers.He is no Detmer yet, but he has the same potential. However, it always
takes a team effort to make a great qb.
Oh brother, please get me a Kleenex. It's one of those precious Ute moments.
I don't remember detmer ever being under center .. And wynn will be playin
against good defenses, só we'll never be able to do a direct comparison.
Wynn should be flattered with the compliment, but he still needs to go out and
compete. He hás the talent and mental abilities- lets now see that
Translated into some great football and some wins
Wynn already coached three Heisman Trophy winners? This kid is accomplished.
hohum,Well, let's see, how much time have you spent coaching Ty
Detmer and Jordan Wynn? You really think you know enough about both QB's to
question Coach Chow's comparison?My understanding is the offense is
now taylored more toward Wynn's strengths than it was last year which should
allow him to flourish as long as the supporting cast steps up.
Nice to hear praises/compliments from coach Chow regarding Wynn.Let's hope Wynn will deliver more than 11 wins this season.Go
Utes!!!!(the red roses in the form of U-block planted in my backyead
look better every day)
Anyone else feel like the u is trying to convince themselves that all is well.
How can he compare him to Detmer other than "fun loving", certainly
not on any kind of performance. Wynn is now throwing every day, no pain, all of
the questions that people had. I just have a bad feeling about this.Not too long and we will have something to judge and not just speculate.Hope he is ok.