Granted there are three stars on the Italian team but an American college
basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang with a foreign
basketball team. Hmm...wonder what the first season of WCC basketball will be
I'm not worried in the least. They didn't have three starters (Brandon Davies,
Matt Carlino & Chris Collingsworth) and they are working on replacing a
backcourt that started together for three seasons. I don't think
this will be a 30-win and Sweet 16 team, but there is no reason to believe they
won't win 23-24 regular season games, three more in the WCC tournament and one
in the NCAA's. Oh wait; that's pretty close to 30 .....
Go Cougars! It takes guts to square off against one of the ten best NATIONAL
teams in the world, especially one led by 3 NBA players! This kind of experience
will most certainly pay dividends when basketball season starts.Playing Greece and Italy will make Gonzaga, St. Mary's and everyone else seem
a little less daunting.
Nikon Guy:There are 3 NBA players on the Italian team. They did hang
with them the first half. BYU will be just fine this year.
Wait until BYU plays at Gonzaga and St. Mary's and others. Small, loud arenas.
Sounds like the new team did pretty well for themselves a long way from home,
different time zone, altitude, with different food and such, and without some of
their centerpiece players on the floor. Just wish there were more
reporting available than this snippet.
I still thing with last years team a healthy Collingsworth and Jimmer BYU would
have beaten both teams, or at least made it much closer of a game. BYU was way
undersized against both teams.
Nikon Guy "Granted there are three stars on the Italian team
but an American college basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang
with a foreign basketball team."Are you serious? These are the
national teams from Greece and Italy, loaded with current NBA and Professional
European players -- the same teams that Team USA will be playing in the London
Olympics in 2012.
Nikon Guy & Nightowlamerica,I can't wait to see how BYU does in
the WCC. We played with these very good national teams in the first half without
3 possible starters and Hartsock was sick. BTW, we beat Gonzaga pretty bad last
year in the tourney. Davies, Hartsock, Rogers, Abouo, Harrison, Carlino,
Zylstra, Collingsworth and Winder would make a formidable rotation for any
college team across the nation.BYU#1
Great results for the Y. They beat a couple of pro teams and hung for a half
against a national team with 3 NBA players. BYU will be just fine - perhaps
even great if they get Davies back early and Collinsworth is healthy.
Nikon Guy, your statement might have been true pre-1992.Basketball
is a world sport now. Italy and Greece are top 10 FIBA teams. Yeah, it makes a
difference.The fact that this Jimmer-less BYU team did that well
likely means they'll have success in the WCC next year.
Nikon Guy | 10:29 p.m. Aug. 24, 2011 Henderson, NV "Granted there are three stars on the Italian team but an American
college basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang with a foreign
basketball team."===Sure. Most college basketball teams
have three NBA caliber players on the floor.Did you even read what
you wrote before you hit the "add your comment" button?.................."Freshman DeMarcus Harrison chipped in 12
points while Charles Abouo added eight. Noah Hartsock recorded six points and 10
rebounds...................Harrison is going to be a
Nikon Guy,Like others have said, BYU did quite well for themselves
in this trip. The Greece and Italian National teams will both likely play Team
USA close. ANY College basketball team would be slaughtered by these two
national teams. Also, BYU DID easily beat the foreign semi-pro teams they
played. BYU will do quite well this coming season, especially with Carlino,
Collingsworth, and Davies being added to the group who played in Europe.
Those were national teams with NBA stars but there's a reason why they all want
to come here to play in the NBA or college. Even though the teams have balanced
out over the last 20 years the talent level in America is still better than the
rest of the world. That's also why so many former college guys go overseas to
play. Even though they didn't make to the NBA they are still good enough to be
starters overseas. So, in my opinion a bunch of college kids that could start
for any foreign league should be able to hang with a national team. Keeping it
close in the first half doesn't cut it. Nobody Tech could hang with Duke for the
first half but ultimatly it's the final score that counts.
BYU will have Davies, Collinsworth and Carlino this Fall, plus a couple more big
guys and another guard that did not play on this trip. The team they have
playing in Europe lacks height and experience. BYU should have a very good
team this year. I am betting on 25+ wins.The road trip has been extremely
valuable to those who played. It will also help Rose evaluate some of his
younger players in a game situation.
Are you kidding me Nixon guy. Italy is ranked 7th in the FIBA rankings and
Greece is ranked 4th. I don't recall hearing about any other college teams
playing national teams this year. Yes a lot of them played foreign pro teams,
but none of them played national teams like BYU. Both teams have NBA caliber
players on their teams, and you say that any good college team could beat them.
Very uninformed statement. I guarantee Duke would not beat these teams. Nice
I thought the purpose of these trips was to play--and lose to--high caliber
teams to expose a team's weaknesses so they can be corrected before the start of
the season. Seems to me that's just what happened.
Nikon Guy,Yeah, and there really is no reason why BYU shouldn't be
able beat the Lakers, Heat and Mavs too. You're reasoning is spot on. By the
way, I hear Weber State football is planning on playing the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I'll take the Wildcats in that one by two touchdowns!
Have Davies coming back to the team been announced already?
Nikon Guy "Even though they didn't make to the NBA they are
still good enough to be starters overseas."You need to work on
that reading comprehension:"The Italians, led by three NBA
players, including Andrea Bargnani of the Toronto Raptors..."These aren't players who once played in the NBA or would like to play in the
NBA, the Italian team is led by three CURRENT NBA players.How many
CURRENT college teams are led by three CURRENT NBA players?Italy and
Greece are loaded with CURRENT NBA players and the best of best of CURRENT
Professional European players."Hmm...wonder what the first
season of WCC basketball will be like?"Probably very similar to
the way last season ended with BYU rocking the WCC's top dog in the NCAA
tourney; something that team on the hill couldn't even do to the WCC's bottom
Don't get so defensive over a little comment. I wasn't trying to be critcal or
fan any flames. I just asked a simple question to spark an intelligent
conversation. 1. True. All your comments are valid but so are
mine.2. Yes. One can always find bad in anything. 3. Yes. BYU will
probaly win a many games. So I'm ending it there. It's just a game.
There's no need to get 49er's or Raider's over a question.
UU32 | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011 Bountiful, UT Have Davies coming back
to the team been announced already? ===Two weeks ago I was at
the student athlete study center in Legacy Hall with some friends.The last guy out, locking the door, in a white shirt and tie was Brandon. We
were taling with a few football coaches, and he stopped to visit. He seemed
positive enough.No announcements, but it looks like he is where he
wants to be.
Veritas --Thanks for that update. I hope he gets to play and finish
out his collegiate career at the Y. (and thanks for letting my
hurried "Have" rather than "Has" slide)
I saw part of the game against Greece. Former Jazzman Kosta Koufous completely
dominated inside. BYU was outsized and out matched. iIt even seemed they were
going easy on the cougs. Hopefully with Davies and Collinsworth returning this
season we will have more of an inside presence. When Noah - at 6' 8" is
our biggest guy in the middle, we have a huge weakness.These
national teams are good and even give our dream teams (comprised of the best NBA
players from the USA) a run for our money. They beat us a few years ago when
Argentina won the title and didn't Greece beat us that year too?It
won't be long until China is in the running for FIBA champs.
@Night Owl: Wait until Gonzaga and St. Mary's play at the Marriot.... LARGE LOUD
Does this count towards the Deseret Dual? Man I hope so. We are dying.
Great experience for a young Cougar team.Only one thing surprised me
about the games. I was surprised that Zylstra was the leading scorer. I hadn't
seen anything previously that would give any indication that he was more than a
3 - 4 point a game player who got the points playing mop up. This could be an
exciting twist. As has been said by the previous posters, this will
be a different team with Davies, Collinsworth, and Carlino in the line up.Davies, Cummard and Plaisted practiced against the Cougs to prepare for
the trip. If Davies was transferring, he would have already announced. He will
be the star this year, with regular double, doubles. I can't wait to see him
back in Blue and White.I also believe that if the Cougs would have
had Davies and Collinsworth in March, they were a Final Four team. And with the
way the Final Four played, they might have won it all.
Nikon, your comments are not valid. Just cause they dont have 12 nba players
doesnt mean they are not good. These eropean national teams can and have beaten
our nba team full of 12 players that currently play in the nba. In 2002 they
finished 6th in the world cup, even losing to puerto rico by 19. One of these
teams is 4th with the other one 7th, good enough to compete and beat our nba all
star teams. So your comment has as much validity as saying byu should be able to
hang with the chicago bulls because i gurrantee that these two teams can
Too show you how good the team byu faced here is how some of our nba players
have faired against other national teams in tournaments.2001 10th1998 3rd2002 6th Following are the nba players that finished 6th out of
16 teamsReggie Miller, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal, Shawn
Marion, Baron Davis, Antonio Davis, Michael Finley, Andre Miller, Jay Williams,
Elton Brand, Raef LaFrentz2003 4th2004 3rd2005 4th2007
5thI know that the U.S. has several number one finishes and has the best
basketball in the world but my point is to show that these national teams fair
well against nba players and would destroy kentucky and duke. It wouldnt even be