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BYU basketball: Trip to Greece ends with loss to Italian squad

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  • joecoog North Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    Too show you how good the team byu faced here is how some of our nba players have faired against other national teams in tournaments.
    2001 10th
    1998 3rd
    2002 6th Following are the nba players that finished 6th out of 16 teams
    Reggie Miller, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal, Shawn Marion, Baron Davis, Antonio Davis, Michael Finley, Andre Miller, Jay Williams, Elton Brand, Raef LaFrentz
    2003 4th
    2004 3rd
    2005 4th
    2007 5th
    I know that the U.S. has several number one finishes and has the best basketball in the world but my point is to show that these national teams fair well against nba players and would destroy kentucky and duke. It wouldnt even be close.

  • joecoog North Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    Nikon, your comments are not valid. Just cause they dont have 12 nba players doesnt mean they are not good. These eropean national teams can and have beaten our nba team full of 12 players that currently play in the nba. In 2002 they finished 6th in the world cup, even losing to puerto rico by 19. One of these teams is 4th with the other one 7th, good enough to compete and beat our nba all star teams. So your comment has as much validity as saying byu should be able to hang with the chicago bulls because i gurrantee that these two teams can

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 25, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Great experience for a young Cougar team.

    Only one thing surprised me about the games. I was surprised that Zylstra was the leading scorer. I hadn't seen anything previously that would give any indication that he was more than a 3 - 4 point a game player who got the points playing mop up. This could be an exciting twist.

    As has been said by the previous posters, this will be a different team with Davies, Collinsworth, and Carlino in the line up.

    Davies, Cummard and Plaisted practiced against the Cougs to prepare for the trip. If Davies was transferring, he would have already announced. He will be the star this year, with regular double, doubles. I can't wait to see him back in Blue and White.

    I also believe that if the Cougs would have had Davies and Collinsworth in March, they were a Final Four team. And with the way the Final Four played, they might have won it all.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Does this count towards the Deseret Dual? Man I hope so. We are dying.

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    @Night Owl: Wait until Gonzaga and St. Mary's play at the Marriot.... LARGE LOUD arena

  • huggyface Murray, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    I saw part of the game against Greece. Former Jazzman Kosta Koufous completely dominated inside. BYU was outsized and out matched. iIt even seemed they were going easy on the cougs. Hopefully with Davies and Collinsworth returning this season we will have more of an inside presence. When Noah - at 6' 8" is our biggest guy in the middle, we have a huge weakness.

    These national teams are good and even give our dream teams (comprised of the best NBA players from the USA) a run for our money. They beat us a few years ago when Argentina won the title and didn't Greece beat us that year too?

    It won't be long until China is in the running for FIBA champs.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Veritas --

    Thanks for that update. I hope he gets to play and finish out his collegiate career at the Y.

    (and thanks for letting my hurried "Have" rather than "Has" slide)

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    UU32 | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 25, 2011
    Bountiful, UT
    Have Davies coming back to the team been announced already?
    ===

    Two weeks ago I was at the student athlete study center in Legacy Hall with some friends.

    The last guy out, locking the door, in a white shirt and tie was Brandon. We were taling with a few football coaches, and he stopped to visit. He seemed positive enough.

    No announcements, but it looks like he is where he wants to be.

  • Nikon Guy Henderson, NV
    Aug. 25, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Don't get so defensive over a little comment. I wasn't trying to be critcal or fan any flames. I just asked a simple question to spark an intelligent conversation.

    1. True. All your comments are valid but so are mine.
    2. Yes. One can always find bad in anything.
    3. Yes. BYU will probaly win a many games.

    So I'm ending it there. It's just a game. There's no need to get 49er's or Raider's over a question.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 25, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Nikon Guy

    "Even though they didn't make to the NBA they are still good enough to be starters overseas."

    You need to work on that reading comprehension:

    "The Italians, led by three NBA players, including Andrea Bargnani of the Toronto Raptors..."

    These aren't players who once played in the NBA or would like to play in the NBA, the Italian team is led by three CURRENT NBA players.

    How many CURRENT college teams are led by three CURRENT NBA players?

    Italy and Greece are loaded with CURRENT NBA players and the best of best of CURRENT Professional European players.

    "Hmm...wonder what the first season of WCC basketball will be like?"

    Probably very similar to the way last season ended with BYU rocking the WCC's top dog in the NCAA tourney; something that team on the hill couldn't even do to the WCC's bottom dweller.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    Have Davies coming back to the team been announced already?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Nikon Guy,

    Yeah, and there really is no reason why BYU shouldn't be able beat the Lakers, Heat and Mavs too. You're reasoning is spot on. By the way, I hear Weber State football is planning on playing the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'll take the Wildcats in that one by two touchdowns!

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 25, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    I thought the purpose of these trips was to play--and lose to--high caliber teams to expose a team's weaknesses so they can be corrected before the start of the season.

    Seems to me that's just what happened.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Aug. 25, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Are you kidding me Nixon guy. Italy is ranked 7th in the FIBA rankings and Greece is ranked 4th. I don't recall hearing about any other college teams playing national teams this year. Yes a lot of them played foreign pro teams, but none of them played national teams like BYU. Both teams have NBA caliber players on their teams, and you say that any good college team could beat them. Very uninformed statement. I guarantee Duke would not beat these teams. Nice try though.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    BYU will have Davies, Collinsworth and Carlino this Fall, plus a couple more big guys and another guard that did not play on this trip.
    The team they have playing in Europe lacks height and experience.
    BYU should have a very good team this year. I am betting on 25+ wins.
    The road trip has been extremely valuable to those who played. It will also help Rose evaluate some of his younger players in a game situation.

  • Nikon Guy Henderson, NV
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Those were national teams with NBA stars but there's a reason why they all want to come here to play in the NBA or college. Even though the teams have balanced out over the last 20 years the talent level in America is still better than the rest of the world. That's also why so many former college guys go overseas to play. Even though they didn't make to the NBA they are still good enough to be starters overseas. So, in my opinion a bunch of college kids that could start for any foreign league should be able to hang with a national team. Keeping it close in the first half doesn't cut it. Nobody Tech could hang with Duke for the first half but ultimatly it's the final score that counts.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Nikon Guy,

    Like others have said, BYU did quite well for themselves in this trip. The Greece and Italian National teams will both likely play Team USA close. ANY College basketball team would be slaughtered by these two national teams. Also, BYU DID easily beat the foreign semi-pro teams they played. BYU will do quite well this coming season, especially with Carlino, Collingsworth, and Davies being added to the group who played in Europe.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    Nikon Guy | 10:29 p.m. Aug. 24, 2011
    Henderson, NV

    "Granted there are three stars on the Italian team but an American college basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang with a foreign basketball team."
    ===

    Sure. Most college basketball teams have three NBA caliber players on the floor.

    Did you even read what you wrote before you hit the "add your comment" button?

    ..................

    "Freshman DeMarcus Harrison chipped in 12 points while Charles Abouo added eight. Noah Hartsock recorded six points and 10 rebounds.

    ..................

    Harrison is going to be a stud.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 25, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Nikon Guy, your statement might have been true pre-1992.

    Basketball is a world sport now. Italy and Greece are top 10 FIBA teams. Yeah, it makes a difference.

    The fact that this Jimmer-less BYU team did that well likely means they'll have success in the WCC next year.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 25, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Great results for the Y. They beat a couple of pro teams and hung for a half against a national team with 3 NBA players. BYU will be just fine - perhaps even great if they get Davies back early and Collinsworth is healthy.

  • BYU#1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Nikon Guy & Nightowlamerica,

    I can't wait to see how BYU does in the WCC. We played with these very good national teams in the first half without 3 possible starters and Hartsock was sick. BTW, we beat Gonzaga pretty bad last year in the tourney. Davies, Hartsock, Rogers, Abouo, Harrison, Carlino, Zylstra, Collingsworth and Winder would make a formidable rotation for any college team across the nation.

    BYU#1

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 6:39 a.m.

    Nikon Guy

    "Granted there are three stars on the Italian team but an American college basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang with a foreign basketball team."

    Are you serious? These are the national teams from Greece and Italy, loaded with current NBA and Professional European players -- the same teams that Team USA will be playing in the London Olympics in 2012.

  • sdunn Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 25, 2011 6:09 a.m.

    I still thing with last years team a healthy Collingsworth and Jimmer BYU would have beaten both teams, or at least made it much closer of a game. BYU was way undersized against both teams.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    Aug. 25, 2011 5:59 a.m.

    Sounds like the new team did pretty well for themselves a long way from home, different time zone, altitude, with different food and such, and without some of their centerpiece players on the floor.

    Just wish there were more reporting available than this snippet.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 24, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Wait until BYU plays at Gonzaga and St. Mary's and others. Small, loud arenas.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 24, 2011 11:10 p.m.

    Nikon Guy:

    There are 3 NBA players on the Italian team. They did hang with them the first half. BYU will be just fine this year.

  • Herman Finklemyer Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    Go Cougars! It takes guts to square off against one of the ten best NATIONAL teams in the world, especially one led by 3 NBA players! This kind of experience will most certainly pay dividends when basketball season starts.

    Playing Greece and Italy will make Gonzaga, St. Mary's and everyone else seem a little less daunting.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 24, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    I'm not worried in the least. They didn't have three starters (Brandon Davies, Matt Carlino & Chris Collingsworth) and they are working on replacing a backcourt that started together for three seasons.

    I don't think this will be a 30-win and Sweet 16 team, but there is no reason to believe they won't win 23-24 regular season games, three more in the WCC tournament and one in the NCAA's.

    Oh wait; that's pretty close to 30 .....

  • Nikon Guy Henderson, NV
    Aug. 24, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Granted there are three stars on the Italian team but an American college basketball team should be able to beat or at least hang with a foreign basketball team. Hmm...wonder what the first season of WCC basketball will be like?