This might actually be a fun game to watch. I am hoping for a shoot out. I
haven't watched Houston since Andre Ware and Dave Klingler QB there. I will
have to go find some Houston highlights on YouTube to see if they are still an
entertaining team to watch.
1Infidel:"Prove 'fraudulent' in the case of the
bloggers."The blogger in the article I referenced claimed that
Penn St, Ohio St, Wisconsin, and Nebraska were "done deal(s)"....and
they WEREN'T! If they weren't "done deal(s)", how did the blogger get
that information? He made it up."Show me a school
or community with an optimistic attitude that doesn't have people who get
carried away with rumors."How about Utah? We've never released
details of us fraudulently scheduling teams like PSU, Ohio St, Wisc, or Neb.
We've also never produced any "Quest" T-shirts in the preseason, threw
Tostitos tortillas on our field during the first home game of the season, no
ever boasted of engaging in "secret talks" with the Pac-10 for
admission. All our Utah-to-the-Pac-10 comments were aboveboard and widely
reported by the media."You are just sour, and looking to poke
someone in the eye over their getting hyped."What do I have to
be sour about? We're not the ones who were exposed as frauds by claiming to
have scheduled PSU, Ohio St, Wisc, or Neb. It is the Y who are sporting all the
@NavalVet -Prove "fraudulent" in the case of the bloggers.
Mistaken, over-zealous, anticipatory, hopeful, mislead - they don't qualify as
fraud. Did they cause your wee black heart some distress? Take it to court,
dude.Show me a school or community with an optimistic attitude that
doesn't have people who get carried away with rumors.You can't prove
or provide in either case.You are just sour, and looking to poke
someone in the eye over their getting hyped. A pretty negative outlook and sad
life for someone to have to go looking on an adversary's fan site to shoot
spitwads. Stick to your Tribune and enjoy reading up in Monday's papers about
the (late) games your PAC-12 won't be getting onto East Coast networks.DN staff - What happened to the 4-post per account per thread? Explain?
1Infidel:"What advantage is there for the four you keep
mentioning, PSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska and whoever, to schedule BYU? If they win,
everyone will say it was a meaningless win. If they lose, they lose big-time.
Scheduling is a two-way street, and...folks don't want to schedule BYU and run
into a buzzsaw. It does them no good."I think you've missed the
point. My post wasn't about why big name teams won't schedule the Y. It was
about Y bloggers fraudulently claiming those teams already had, and about Y fans
arrogantly [and ignorantly] boasting about it afterward."...you
are just chiming in to be argumentative and trashing BYU fan's enthusiasm - not
really any valid points yet, huh?"...and schools in the BCS do have the
openings...but I bet you will change your name or disappear by then."What a frantic, emotional, and entirely baseless prediction. I've been
"Naval Vet" [or "Naval_Vet" on the SLTrib] ever since these
comment forums started up . If I hadn't changed my name before, why would
I do so later?
flynn is the coolest | 11:34 p.m. Aug. 23, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTNightOwlAmerica | 9:36 p.m. Aug. 23, 2011 SALEM, OR""I crack up reading posts by mgr63 and Bluto. They are lucid,
stale, wishful thinking and dreamy. Such is the life of a BYU fan.I will
Match your national title hopes with a case of green jello. At least that has
substance to it."Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of the
posters you cited are BYU fans-they're Ute trolls and you can keep them. Did you
really want to talk smack about fans?"You might want to read my
post again. Its not hard to tell who posters are here. There are BYU fans here
that actually post like the avatars I mentioned.
Naval Vet, I totally agree with you.It seems like scheduling has
become a little more difficult for BYU than they imagined. I would think that
being a first year Independent, you really can't expect too much as far as
scheduling goes. This should be the year for them to schedule across the country
and spread their name. However, can a team really spread their name
geographically? I think not, it comes with big wins over big teams, and that is
when people begin to talk about your school. Surely BYU can get a fan base in
whichever city they play in, but that is not really "expanding" the
program, is it? If only the local LDS members are in attendance?Best
of luck to BYU, though! This season is for the taking, even though it will be
very tough for them.
At BYU Dud:"Houston,= Utah's Football tradition over the last
20 Years. Two Great seasons does not a program make."I didn't
realize that Houston had gone to two BCS games and won both of them. I didn't
realize that Houston was invited to a BCS conference. I didn't realize that
Houston has been to 14 bowl games in the last 20 years and won 10 of them. Houston must be wonderful!The season ticket holders must
slapping high fives over this one. It's kind of a big deal.
The lack of conference stability and continued likely shifts (particularly
involving the Big 12) is what is making this a difficult business for Holmoe and
Mendenhall. Yes, they have spelled out goals, but it appears they are only
firming up dates with teams they can shuffle the dates on, opt out at low or
little cost since (there is a fee clause in an OOC contract when a game is moved
to a different year or series cancelled) BYU is still part of the conference
puzzle despite the denails of Ute fans who want the progrm in Provo to go the
way of Rexburg, and could very well end up in the Big 12 when the dust finally
Houston is good pickup, CUSA over WAC any day.@BYU DUDE:
"Houston,= Utah's Football tradition over the last 20 Years. Two Great
seasons does not a program make."Yet you're still wearing that
"Jimmermania" t-shirt with only 2 Sweet 16's in 30 years? Go figure.
Houston,= Utah's Football tradition over the last 20 Years. Two
Great seasons does not a program make.
Great get. Just a great, great get. Of all the gets they could have got at, this
was maybe one of the greatest gets in the history of gets. Get.
Let me clarify - not ALL Ute fans are pathetic. I know quite a few that are
just fine. I mean those Ute fans who seem to get their only joy in life by
making negative comments about BYU on articles about BYU.
Anytime Starfairy, anytime. Not once have I said that I am the authority on all
things BYU, and I usually try to compliment them in some way o these boards. I
am not like Chris B, Mildred, or other UTE trolls that bash on all things bYu.
Veritas, and Y Grad Y Dad are probably the only reasonable Y fans on these
boards, but I am glad that I could make you day.
Houston was ranked in the top 15 as recently as 2009. They have finished the
season ranked in the top 25 15 times, have a Heisman winner and several other
national awards. The reason Houston is a great pick-up is because
of national perception. Houston isn't a win that will get you nothing (like
most of the WAC teams, etc, on tab this year), but neither are they a win that
will shock and awe. They are a great mid-level competitor and they may have
another good season this year. Filler games are fine and at times necessary,
but this is a good indication that the middle of the schedule is picking up. As
was stated previously all that really matters is winning a few of the big games,
not getting upset in the middle games and taking care of business in the filler
games to pad the win column.
I was at that rain-soaked Rice game. BYU fans remember the U. of Houston from
the days when Klingler and others were putting up huge numbers back in the
BlueNtheFace There are so many holes in your statement that I won't
even comment, but to say this.If you are all that you say you
are...Why come to a BYU board to prove it?No worries?
Keep dreaming. All athletes are BCS caliber...not
credible.Strict academic criteria...so that is what they
are calling religious bigotry in the PAC 12?If you are so great,
prove it.Don;t come to BYU and talk smack looking for a fight.
@Naval VetWhat advantage is there for the four you keep mentioning, PSU,
Wisconsin, Nebraska and whoever, to schedule BYU? If they win, everyone will
say it was a meaningless win. If they lose, they lose big-time. Scheduling is
a two-way street, and has always been the case, folks don't want to schedule BYU
and run into a buzzsaw. It does them no good.Once BYU does work into more
BCS games, beating BYU would be a more attractive option, and less of a downer
if they lose. I can see you are not a BCS school's AD, or you wouldn't be so
full of smack.Hang around, and come back when schedules do open up (those
schools are all likely scheduled for x years already, so you are just chiming in
to be argumentative and trashing BYU fan's enthusiasm - not really any valid
points yet, huh?) and schools in the BCS do have the openings, and see the
money, the exposure and the challenge worth it....but I bet you will change your
name or disappear by then. All good things take time. Have fun cheering for
the soon-to-be-exposed and likely perennial mediocre Utes.
Utah plays 10 quality BCS games this year! They have a very good chance of
winning them all plus all of their OOC games. What does that mean, Cougar fans??
A National Championship Game. That's what! We are the University of Utah
PAC-12's. All of our athletes are BCS caliber and have shots making
NFL rosters now. We have no worries as we enter the new PAC-12 era. It's all
good. You're just jealous that BYU couldn't meet the strict athletic and
academic criteria that the PAC-12 required for invitation into their conference.
Eat our red dust!!Go Utes!
Nightowlamerica:Neener Neener? Nice. The reason your posts are silly
is because you can't figure out that mgr 63 is one of you. For as much time as
you both spend on BYU articles, you should have that one figured out.
@ Just the FAX"Wasn't Utah DESTROYED by the last NON-bcs
conference team they played?"Wasn't byu DESTROYED by the last
WAC team they played?
NightOwlAmerica | 9:36 p.m. Aug. 23, 2011 SALEM, OR"I
crack up reading posts by mgr63 and Bluto. They are lucid, stale, wishful
thinking and dreamy. Such is the life of a BYU fan.I will Match your
national title hopes with a case of green jello. At least that has substance to
it."Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of the posters you
cited are BYU fans-they're Ute trolls and you can keep them. Did you really
want to talk smack about fans?Incidentally, 2-3 years ago Utah fans
were livid at not getting respect in the polls, people mocking their strength of
schedule, and the BCS in general. They suddenly gain admission to the club and
join in the disrespect. Maybe all those fabulous researcher on the hill could
search for the cure to hypocrisy.
Give me some examples nightowl. you named ute trolls so far. Almost all of the
byu comments here are responding to ute trolls making silly comments like saying
byu's schedule is very weak. I can make the same argumet for utah's schedule.
Look at the overall record of their opponets from last year. Losing record by a
lot. Their last six opponents to end this next season are coming off losing
seasons. Byu has 4 teams with double digit wins last year. Utah has none. Byu
has 2 teams in top 25. Utah has none.Next time you comment I dare you to
actually use fact like i did instead of ridiculous claims.
navel vet"Utah will play a MINIMUM of 10 teams from BCS
conferences in a single year. Remind me again how many the Y plays."Wasn't Utah DESTROYED by the last NON-bcs conference team they played?
NightOwlAmerica:No, but yours are.
This is so exciting. Wow, wow and wow! I can't believe a home and home game with
such a prestigious program. Did my pulse quicken?
Aren't all BYU comments silly?
One Nil to the Arsenal! | 9:07 p.m. Aug. 23, 2011 Gilbert, AZHouston
has a football team?Yeah, actually they do. Kind of like San Diego,
SW Baptist and Seattle U all have basketball teams, even though it took Utah
losing to them for most people to realize it.
Naval vet,It is true that byu's bottom half of the schedule is weak but
who cares about the bottom half? That is not what will define their season. It
is the top half that will, which byu's is arguably better than the utes. How
many of the utes opponents are currently in the top 25? Thats, right none. byu
has 2. See how byu's top opponents compare to the utes:tcu >
usctexas > pittThe next four or so opponents are about equal and
then the utes have the edge for the last 6 but once again who cares if byu beat
up san jose which is probably ranked abou 120th or utah beats up wash st. who is
probably around 100th? Nobody. They care how you handle your top to middle
Nightowl,Your new here so we will let that one slide but for future
reference mgr63 and mildred are ute fans and their only post are over the top
ridiculous ones to make byu fans look silly.
@NightOwl - seriously, you haven't figured out that those are trolls, not actual
BYU fans? Kind of hurts your superiority complex, eh? They post ridiculously
dumb comments posing as Y fans on every article the DNews puts out.
Looking at the amount of posts on each article leaves no doubt which local teams
will be watched on TV in the state, let alone nationally.Look at the
excitement from fans of both schools for the Houston series.Sort of
makes it difficult to argue which brand of football people in Utah and across
the country like to watch.No TV smack. It's just that one team grabs
peoples attention and insures ratings.If Utah got a fraction of this
amount of attention even locally, you could bet that the PAC-12 would have them
on TV every week.The fact is most Utah fans have never watched Utah
play. (Sports fans from Utah watch football play). They always seem to get
excited for "who" Utah will play. But all Utahns, love em or hate em,
watch BYU.Face it, BYU would not have the brand without the
"Utah" fans.Thanks, OneNilArsenal, NavalVet, HonorCode,
Uteology, magnaUteFan, Chewbaca,CaliforniaUte, ChrisB, Hedge, MildredFilmore,
PapaSmurfUte, RockoftheMarne, crowntown, Redlands, Philadelphia, Ft. Worth,
Corona, Beverly Hills, etc. for proving ESPN and VS. both right (National
Following vs."ehh").Thanks to you, BYU fans across the
nation will see all games in HD.
It's great that BYU has added Houston to the schedule. The Cougars are looking
to play teams in cities they haven't visited for a while and this is a great
opportunity for the BYU fans in Houston. It will also generate interest in the
BYU brand in an area rich with football talent.For those looking for
the big name schools, be patient. Please remember that scheduling is a
difficult task because the target is always moving. Other teams are scheduling
their future opponents at the same time BYU is. You want to keep at least six
home games, and provide a balance a top level and mid-level teams (red, yellow
and green I think one previous article mentioned). Many top tier teams may have
already expressed interest, but finding the right place for them on the schedule
is another matter. It's fun to watch the future schedules fill out, especially
when BYU is going to new places and playing new teams.
I crack up reading posts by mgr63 and Bluto. They are lucid, stale, wishful
thinking and dreamy. Such is the life of a BYU fan.I will Match your
national title hopes with a case of green jello. At least that has substance to
More good exposure in Texas where there are some good recruits and Houston is a
solid opponent, keep them coming Tom!
Houston has a football team?
I can't wait for the WAC games in LES.........BYU will kick their tails!
I've watched with great anticipation to see BYU develop their coming football
schedule. Houston's ok but I'd still like to see them get someone from the Big
10 or back East like Boston College or Syracuse. I hope they'll come back to
Oklahoma or Kansas so I can see them play in person. Right now I'm just excited
that I can now watch so many of their games on ESPN while living in Kansas. Go
Man if only we could schedule some "BCS" teams. It would be sweet if
we could play Baylor, Washington St, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Kentucky, Duke,
Syracuse, Iowa St, Kansas, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota. . .. . . do you want me to keep going? Let's take a national poll to see if
those are respected football schools.It seems when it comes to
national respect, it's who you are, not who you're with. Interesting.
Rational: While what you said is true, that wasn't my point. It probably got
lost in the drivel...The higher ups DO care about winning and
losing, but the reason they pulled the trigger on this independence gig wasn't
to get one step closer to a NC. It wasn't to bust the BCS or to play catch-up
to the team up North. The reason BYU is Independent is indeed all about
exposure. Some people comment on here as if BYU's situation is horrible.
Really most of those comments are people trying to say that their team's
situation is "better". BYU is in a better place than they were a year
ago, and they will be in still a better place in five years. But that isn't
what is driving this crazy train. 10 games on ESPN in the first year is
indication that the goal of exposure is being met and exceeded. Hopefully the
rest will follow suit.
Bluto | 7:42 p.m. Aug. 23, 2011 Sandy, UT @NavalVetThat
broken record you keep playing is uh, well, broken.So some discipline. Do
you really think anyone wants your tireless posts 10-15-20 times on every BYU
article?Give it a rest. Last we looked, BYU is the one with National
TV appearances (Exposure) and Utah is not? Hmmmm, how is that?Does
your obsession with BYU ever end? This is an article about BYU and their
football schedule,.What are you so afraid of?
correction"Show some discipline".
Great get for BYU schedule. Keep up the good work Tom. Fan look forward to
seeing more of these announcements on the remaining 25% of the schedule. From the posts above I think a few have changed their name to hide their
identity.Go Cougars. Sept. 3 is coming.
All the BYU haters are forgetting how well fall camp is going. Jake Heaps will
win the NC this year. He is that good. Also, the BYU defense is maybe the best
in the nation this year. Hopefully BYU will get into the NC game.......it looks
like it will happen. Go Cougars
Does BYU not realize they already have a commitment to play Boise State on
Danger, if you think the competitive fires don't burn at the highest levels of
BYU's hierarchy, you are mistaken. Winning may not be first, but that doesn't
mean it isn't valued. Elder Wirthlin, who passed a year or two ago, played
football at the U. I remember seeing pictures of President Kimball in his
basketball uniform. Excellence is a value at the top. That is how people get
to the top. You think Jesus was a slacker?
I was going to comment on Navel Vet's response to my post, but I see that most
everyone else has beat me to it. Sometimes, people just don't get it. You can
say all you want about "BCS" schools. Using that logic, when BYU beats
u, then that would mean that BYU is better than any BCS team.Smack
talk using little reason just leaves you looking small minded and makes you
change your display name when the season is just half over.
BYU will win all their games. Hey Ute fans.....it could get VERY ugly on
9-17-11. GO Cougars!
Remember why BYU went independent? Exposure. The BYU brass will not be put out
if BYU never cracks the top ten, never makes the BCS, never wins another (!)
national championship. The fans will care, the team will care, but those who
made the decision to go independent are happy that now the BYU fans in SouthEast
Texas have a BYU game to go to, a game that fans across the country and world
can watch, and a game that will build our exposure. And quite frankly (since I
live in Houston) I am very happy with that.What BYU haters don't
understand is that even if all of their wildest dreams come true and BYU can
never schedule better than they do currently, the TV games never get better,
keep scheduling WAC teams, etc, we STILL love our school and fans all over the
country will continue to support the team. Utah doesn't have that luxury.
Their non-alum fans are only fans so long as the team is pushing the envelope.
I hope BYU wins it all, schedules all the great school and pushes themselves
onto the national stage. But if not...I go to the Houston game
Naval VetBYU's schedule is so totally awesome, that 10 games have
already been scheduled for national broadcasts on ESPN this season.Utah's schedule is so totally boring, that the only game ESPN would schedule
was Utah's game at BYU.Why?Here's a hint:The
most important factor in BYU's 10 ESPN games - it's BYU football! (even
against Idaho)The most important factor in Utah's single ESPN game -
it's Utah football!(even against USC)Good luck seeing any Utah
games in Philadelphia, PA.
@independentExactly right. Thank you for making my point. No one can
claim to play 10 good teams but naval lint was trying to insinuate that utah is
going to when they demonstrably aren't. Just playing 10 bcs teams means nothing
as there are plenty of pretty crappy bcs teams and utah gets to play their fair
share of them.
"The problem with scheduling the big dogs is that they rarely want to play
another big dog that they feel might beat them."You're right,
and an examination of the schedules of the big dogs will reveal that most of
them only play another couple of big dogs in any given season. At most they'll
only play another 4 big dogs or so.
The Houston series is a nice pick up. They play in bowls most years, are at or
near the top of their conference and have had respectable records for awhile. I
would have been happy with such an opponent before BYU went independent. I am
certainly happy now to have them on the schedule.The problem with
scheduling the big dogs is that they rarely want to play another big dog that
they feel might beat them. It will be tough to get series or even one and done
games. Its too big of a risk for a team like Ohio State to dare play the
re: Naval VetEnjoy your schedule smack while you can. Once utah
starts losing those games and occasionally missing bowl games, you'll be begging
for a reasonable schedule. Crow while you can. Your fun will come to a
screeching halt in a few weeks.
Papa Smurf UTE Well, since you said it, it must be true.We all know that you are the authority on what BYU will do. After all, what
has happened in the past will ALWAYS happen in the future. Glad you
threw in your two cents...and you think I am a tool?
"So claiming "we'll play 10 bcs teams" isn't really much of a
claim. When you can say "we'll play 10 good teams" then you will be
saying something."Who can even say that?For
example, this season Ohio State plays the likes of Akron, Toledo, Colorado
Illinois, Indiana, and Purdue. They do play Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Penn State,
but this is certainly not 10 good teams.Even Florida, who is in
supposedly the best conference around, the SEC, plays Florida Atlantic, UAB,
Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Furman. Has anybody even heard of Furman? They play
some good teams too, but certainly not 10 of them.
Mildred, Starfarer, and Uncle Rico are all tools. bYu will have some good
schedues in the future, but the glory years of the 80's and early early 90's are
not coming back. There isnt going to be anymore NC, or Heisman winners coming
out of Provo. There is a slight chance of a BCS bowl, but with the way Bronco's
teams start seasons (other than 2008 when they only played cupcakes to start the
year) they lose at least 1, usually 2 games that could have been won to start
the year. I dont see this year, or any other year as being any different, as
long as BM in the coach. Unless there are cupcakes like 08 to start the season,
and then you will most likely have a tough game like TCU or UTAH later in the
year that you will get beat, and beat bad. I think that Independence was the
best thing for the Y, their schedules will get better, and I think that they
will do quite well. Just not NC, or BCS well.
The irony is that all of the anti-BYU trolls out hating on schedules years down
the road will end up watching more BYU than U games this year (not necessarily
because they want to, but because they can't resist the Y games and can't find
the U games).Bring on Ole Miss! Go Cougars!
Naval Vet, You're blowing this home and home with houston way out of proportion.
Your first post was actually semi thought provoking, but you peetered out.
You're just blowing a bunch of hot air at this point. And washington state is
also going to play 10 BCS teams...what does that prove? Are you trying to say
you want the U to be (or already are) the next washington state?
mgr63 Mildred is better at that than you.
Back in '82 we used to play these type of teams all the time.I'm
lovin it! We knew we couldn't hang with Boise in the MWC, we're going back to
our glory days of playing cellar dwellars.Independence was the
greatest thing to happen to us. We'll be having some good records with these
type of teams on our schedule all the time.The 80s were our glory
days and the future looks similar. Time to relive the glory days of BYU
@naval lintBut not all "bcs" games are created equally.
For instance utah plays washington st, colorado, ucla, and cal, all of which are
pretty pathetic teams. Also a top team like usc has to play
washinton st, ucla, cal, colorado and utah. Once again those are all
"bcs" teams but they are also pretty poor and will all get worked by
usc.So claiming "we'll play 10 bcs teams" isn't really
much of a claim. When you can say "we'll play 10 good teams" then you
will be saying something.
Houston is a no win situation for BYU. If you win the reaction will be well you
should have, if you lose the fans will be in a uproar. Teams like Houston are
dangerous. Houston reminds me of East Carolina back east, ECU beats Virginia
Tech and the Carolina schools, yet fans of the famous schools look down on ECU.
Houston will be dangerous for the Cougs.
Everything for BYU is shaping up perfectly. They are booking top-notch programs
and they'll win for sure. The NC is imminent, soon.......you watch! Go BYU!!!!!
WOW!!!!! Thjs is great news! UH is an unreal program and I bet that BYU beats
them terribly. I think that BYU will be in the NC equation after they beat Ole
Miss, UT and Utah to start off this season. Their ranking will get them a BCS
bowl and then the cougars will destroy them. I think BYU will show everyone that
they are that good. They will win every game and will get their well-deserved
title again. GO COUGARS!
defibman:Utah will play a MINIMUM of 10 teams from BCS conferences
in a single year. Remind me again how many the Y plays.And for the
record, your FCS opponent [Idaho St.] won only ONE game last year. And that was
vs. an NAIA team. Weak SOS.
Naval Vet:Were you neglected as a child, or are you just generally
starving for attention?
Naval Vet,"We are close to three quarters of the way done
scheduling all the way up through 2014." -Tom HolmoeSo what AD
Holmoe was saying is that the schedule through 2014 is 75% finished. Which is an
incredible feat considering BYU has only been Independent for just over a year
now. Especially when top programs BYU wants to schedule have schedules laid out
years in advance. And are only allowed to have 3-4 Non-conference games per
season.For example, Penn State has only one game opening (9/20/14)
in the next 5 years.BYU still has plenty of slots to fill. 4 in
2013, 5 in 2014, and 9 in 2015. But even then, its looking like for
the next 3-5 years, BYU will be facing a watered down schedule. It's definitely
better than I expected, with a 3 game series with Texas, a six game series with
Notre Dame, along with matches against Utah, Boise St, Georgia Tech, and West
Virginia. Hawaii, UCF, Houston and Southern Miss are not too bad either. I believe better scheduling will come, with a couple good seasons and
some legitimate exposure. Time will tell.
We knew we would have to fill four or five games with WAC weaklings to make the
2011 and 2012 schedule work.But the 2013 schedule is starting to
take shape with confirmed games against Texas, Hawaii, Boise State, Georgia
Tech, Utah State, Houston and Notre Dame. I'm sure Utah will be added to the
list, when we agree on a date. (There are two Sept dates still available.)Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech and probably Utah will be in Provo -
good games for the home crowd.I know the total schedule depends on
who fills the remaining four spots, but this is much better than any MWC
schedule and is quickly becoming comparable to many AQ conference schedules, as
long as we don't fill the remaining four spots with WAC weaklings.I'm betting we'll see one or two AQ teams, one or two strong non-AQ teams, and
maybe another independent fill the remaining 2013 spots.
I like this series. Nice job Tom. That is a road game I will have to attend. I
really like independence and am going to get some great road trips because of
Fans for at the Houston game need make sure to get there extra early to get
parking lot parking instead of street parking in Houston's Third Ward. Walking
to the stadium has been a scary experience for many fans (Houston Cougars fans
and visiting fans alike).
carabaoUHow on earth can you claim that one home schedule is better
than another? It is all subjective.Let's imagine that one of your
stellar home games in two years (pick any team I don;t care) gets hit with NCAA
sanctions, loses 10 scholarships, and has a bunch of other players jump ship.
In two years, they could be 1-6 when you meet.However, lets imagine
that one of BYU's less than stellar home games is a team that starts a winning
streak this year and is, let's say 17-0 when they come to BYU.The
point is. You haven't got a clue what teams will do between now and when our
teams will play them.What is funny is that although BYU fans may be
a little out of wack, you are trying to argue that u are better...on
a BYU article.That's like trying to argue that a Chevy is better on
a Honda Owners Fan Club site.
Naval VetI don't disagree that BYU fans can and sometimes do believe
anything. (That is true of any fans, utes included.)The problem is
that you, come to BYU comment boards as an authority on what is NOT going to
take place and what is NOT happening.BYU may have all of those teams
in "Secret talks" or none of them.But you can't be any
more sure than the BYU fan who says that they do.On another note:I can't speak to what BYU fans say on ute articles. I have never read
one or the comments. I wish they wouldn't if they are...just like I
wish ute trolls would quit coming to BYU articles looking for a fight.I don't care if utah has a better schedule, or a better conference, more home
games or more NFL players. To be honest, I could do without the holy war.I just don't like ute trolls coming into my house and talking smack.
That is the only time I jump in.
Hey Naval Vet, Remind us all again who Utah plays to open up the season?I think I need to go to the head.
Guys:Naval Vet (per his own post) comments very rarely on these
articles. So disregard the fact he has 7/38 posts on this article.
BYU obsessed...er, I mean Naval Vet;Ole Miss, Texas, UCF, Oregon State,
Boise, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Houston, West Virginia, Hawaii are some of the
the good to great teams BYU has scheduled so far over the next few years.
Several are more than 2 games. Yes, Holmoe has eluded to more but has not
mentioned names. The media has leaked a few names and several fans have passed
those on in these posts. Some of those teams may pan out and some may not. Move
Re: Naval VetWho's saying that BYU scheduled Houston to attract big
name schools? What I fail to understand is that why because BYU announces this
home-and-home with Houston are any other deals with the Nebraskas, Ohio States,
Penn States et al now completely dead? Both the Oklahoma in '09 and TCU '11 were
brokered with the help of ESPN over the off-season just prior to the season in
which it was to played. Go ahead and look at the future schedules. There's still
two open dates in 2012 and many more than that each season after. I'm not saying
big deals are going to happen because I don't know because I'm not privy to
"secret meetings" but the fact that you're now calling them dead
possibilities and crying "neener neener" at the top of your lungs is
Naval Vet: Just curious...what team are you for? Why are you worried who BYU
plays? You give me any team ranked in the Preseason top 25 and list one who
does not play someone from a non-BCS conference.
Starfarer:The examples that I cited [and referenced] ARE the fans.
They are not reputable journalists. And since I've seen you on these threads
before, I feel I can assume you've read how quickly your fanbase locks on to
those dubious articles as if they were fact, and perpetuate those ridiculous
rumors amongst themselves; even to the point of attempting to taunt Ute fans
I'd love to see Utah also get a series going with someone like Houston, Rice,
Baylor, etc. As much as Utah recruits Texas, and losing the bi-yearly game at
TCU, it will be important to get games in Texas once every couple years.
patriot said, "This independent experiment is going to destroy BYU
football."Too bad that's more a wish than a fact for all the
jealous BYU-haters out there.
2013 Comparison (I grouped these using the nearest comparison in level of
opponent and home vs away games):Utah State plays BOTHBYU at Notre DameUTAH at USCTexas at BYUGeorgia Tech
at BYUUTAH vs Oregon (home or away game not yet decided)UTAH vs
Stanford (home or away game not yet decided)Boise State at BYUArizona State at UTAH BYU at HawaiiBYU at HoustonUTAH
at ArizonaUCLA at UTAHColorado at UTAHOregon State at
UTAHWashington at UTAHBoth play great teams. BYU has more
yawn games. Without knowing exact home schedule of UTAH and BYU needing more
teams on schedule, it is too early to determine which team has the better home
Wow, those columns didn't work at all! Sorry about that. Just look on
We all know that most non-conference games are scheduled YEARS in advance-
Houston already had two scheduled, and BYU completes that schedule 3 years in
advance. So what's the deal with mocking the series? It's a step in the right
direction. See below2011 Schedule 2012 Schedule
2013 ScheduleOle Miss Ore St.
TexasTexas Web St**
Boise St.UCF Boise St.
Utah St.*Utah St.* Utah St.*
Georgia TechSan Jose St.** Georgia Tech
HoustonOregon St. Notre Dame Notre
DameIdaho St.** Hawaii
Utah?TCU Idaho* New Mexico St.** San Jose St.** Hawaii
New Mexico St.** * Likely win** GimmeNot
trying to be pretentious with the asterisk- just saying where I'd put my
money.Some may scoff at the future schedules, but I can see the ** teams
disappearing with time. The 2013 schedule is shaping up- now hopefully it won't
be full of * and ** teams the rest of the way.
First of all, as stated by giantfan, we don't know yet what deals are still in
the works, or have been close and since backed down. Secondly,
assuming a long haul of independence (who knows?) we have plenty of time to play
all of those teams you mentioned. Independence gives us the freedom to do so.
Thirdly, in their first year of independence after a lackluster year
last year, BYU's bargaining position isn't as strong as it could be. If this
year goes well those results-coupled with intense exposure-will increase the
brand of BYU and their desirability as an opponent. Fourthly, while
all Cougar fans want to see those names on the schedule, we do not want them all
in the same year. BYU is going to try to schedule 1-2 National Title
contenders, 3-4 solidly good programs, 3-4 reasonably good programs and 3-4 easy
wins. Scheduling the top three teams in the big10, big12 etc in the same year
would be overkill. Any team in any good conference has those same ratios, so
that is what we will stick to.
Naval VetIt is funny that you claim the article on May 17th as proof
that BYU fans are claiming things.read the actual article. Nothing
was substantiated and he admitted that it it was all rumors.Quit
looking for a fight.
giantfan:"Why in the world does scheduling Houston to a
home-and-home for a total of two games to be played in two and three years from
now mean that BYU won't be able to schedule some of those bigger
schools?"Why in the world do you think scheduling Houston would
suddenly reinvigorate schools like Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and
Nebraska? Do you think Athletic Directors in the B1G were saying to Holmoe,
"No way, you guys are too bush-league for our marquee teams," but are
now sitting up straight in their seats thinking, "Wait a minute...if
Houston wants a Home-&-Home, they MUST be a big time program!"?
Yes! Bring more BYU game to Houston and Texas. Should also schedule games with
Rice and Texas A&M.
no wonder Bronco only inked a 3 - year deal with the Y. After 3 years it will
clear whether this independent experiment is a total bust or has led to the Y
being invited to the Big 12. Scheduling teams like Houston is going to turn the
Y into has-been really fast.
When was the last time Houston was in the top 25?? Maybe 30 years ago? Sounds
like the Y is already having trouble trying to schedule decent opponents. This
independent experiment is going to destroy BYU football.
Naval VetThe problem with your post is that you "claim" to
have all kinds of examples where BYU fans habitually leak info about
scheduling.First, site some examples. It is like saying that BYU
fans are all arrogant, yet that is, at best a personal opinion. Stop trying to
pick fights by inferring that all the fans were leaking who we were going to
schedule. You know that a few doesn't mean all BYU fans.Second, you
have a tendency to misquote and take things out of context to seemingly prove
your point. If a fan says they heard a rumor, don't take it as anything more.
If they talk about "secret talks" use some common sense.The funny thing is, you claim that they are not happening. Like you are any
more aware of "Secret talks" than a BYU fan is.BYU will do
just fine with scheduling. They have only been independent a few months. Your
pessimistic attitude is no more warranted, or likely than a crazed BYU fan who
thinks that they will go undefeated every year. The truth will lie
somewhere in the middle.
Wow Naval Vet... you're trashing BYU for their schedule when Utah hasn't
scheduled anyone yet other than BYU for their future years outside of the
conference schedule and they're probably going to load up on cupcakes just like
every other BCS school? How about you worry about the U and their schedule and
them actually performing in the PAC 12 to see if they fly high or die before
trying to tear everyone else down. Did you ever once consider that some of these
other big name schools such as Penn State, Ohio State, and the like might not
want to schedule BYU because they'd have a real chance of getting beaten? Of
course not, you have way to crimson dimmed sun glasses on to see any other
CougarBlue:If you Google "BYU Football to Play Wisconsin,
Nebraska, Penn St, Ohio St, USC, More" [May 26th]:"Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn St, Ohio St, USC, UCLA, Arizona St., and
Syracuse have all either completed, or are in the process of working on, deals
that would allow them to play the BYU football team.""Here
are the list of the deals that are 'done'...""A 3 game
series with Nebraska...A Home-Home-Neutral 3 game series with
Wisconsin...Home-Home-Neutral 3 game series with Penn St...A Home-Home Neutral 3
game series with Ohio St...A Home-Home-Neutral 3 game series with
Syracuse...Opening the 2013 Season @ Arizona St...A home and home with USC...A
home and home with UCLA."For those Y fans still in denial,
Holmoe eventually replied:"There's a lot of Internet rumors and
they're mainly wrong...We have games scheduled out through 2020. We are close to
three quarters of the way done scheduling all the way up through 2014. Right now
we're focusing on 2016 and '17's schedules...We are currently not in discussions
with Nebraska."3/4ths of the way thru scheduling...and no PSU,
OSU, Wisc, or Nebraska.
2012 Comparison (I grouped these using the nearest comparison in level of
opponent and home vs away games):Oregon State - BOTHUtah State
- BOTHBOTH play each otherBYU at Notre Dame USC at
UTAHBYU at Georgia TechBYU at Boise StateUTAH at
WashingtonUTAH at Arizona StateHawaii at BYUWeber State
at BYUArizona at UTAHCalifornia at UTAHBYU at New Mexico
StateBYU at San Jose StateUTAH at ColoradoUTAH at UCLAWashington State at UTAHBoth teams have great games. BYU has
more yawner games though. UTAH has the best home schedule by a landslide.
Re: Naval VetWhy in the world does scheduling Houston to a
home-and-home for a total of two games to be played in two and three years from
now mean that BYU won't be able to schedule some of those bigger schools? I
wasn't aware that future scheduling was completely wrapped up for the Cougars
for the next half dozen or so years. Scheduling Houston is a great thing that
will allow BYU to drop the Idaho States or Idahos or San Jose States from the
schedule that bring zero value. Other big (or bigger) fish are still out there
and with the partnership of the World Wide Leader, it's more than likely that
some big ones will still be landed (much like Oklahoma in 2009 or TCU in 2011).
Count on it.
Navel Vet must be bored today.
CougarBlue:"NavalVet I have never seen a blog about BYU fans
claiming we are going to play your mentioned teams."The Deseret
News linked an article to "deepshadesofblue" back when that blog's
writer was pretending to have spoken with an unnamed member in the cougar
Athletic Dept. leaking their alleged invitation to the Big East. Google "Big Names Lining Up to Face Cougars" [May 17th]: "You may have heard BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe comment multiple
times in the media over the past several months about how surprised he has been
by the number of high-profile programs that have shown interest in scheduling
games with BYU.""Deep Shades of Blue has learned that BYU
is well down the trail of striking deals with several big-name opponents."
"...the Cougars appear set to face multiple Big Ten
programs...""As has been rumored for a while now, it does
appear as if BYU is close to announcing a three-game series with Wisconsin and
Nebraska.""BYU has been able to leverage the long-time
friendship between LaVell Edwards and Joe Paterno in order to rekindle their
series from the early 1990′s."And that was just ONE
Good get for Holmoe. BYU needs a balanced schedule with varying degrees of
difficulty - just like you get in any conference. This game is great for
exposure and will likely make for an interesting game.
There are three NCAA teams with the mascot of Cougar. BYU, U of Houston and
Wash St. Cool that two will be on the field that day.
I agree with comment about playing Houston that early in the season. I've been
hoping that we could gradually eliminate the WAC schools which means we'd need
games later in year. And it's Houston, not Notre Dame or Penn State - why does
Holmoe always play at their place first? Against Houston, BYU should be able
to demand play in Provo first.
akk2602:I wouldn't call Houston "Weak, weak, weak". In
fact, I wouldn't mind seeing them on Utah's schedule [sure beats playing FCS
teams like Montana St.]. The only thing about Houston that is weak is that the
Y appears to be running away from the alleged advantage of Independence --
scheduling whoever they want. And from the sound of it, cougar fans want
schools like Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, or Nebraska.And I
mean cougar "fans"; not cougar "coaches". Bronco cited his
coveted BCS school match ups when he rattled off a list of power schools he's
been dreaming of....like Syracuse, Northwestern, and Vanderbilt.Guessing he'd never heard of Duke.
Houston might be happy right now with this agreement, but they won't be when we
beat them by 4 touchdowns.
"Our football team has never played in Houston" - Holmoe.Better said, never played at the University of Houston. BYU played at Rice
University, only 5 miles away from UH.
fresnogirl:Fans don't schedule teams, but Y fans habitually like to
leak purported "inside information" from the Athletic Dept. regarding
"secret talks" with BCS conferences [i.e. Pac-10, Big XII, BigTen, Big
East] for admission into their league, "secret talks" with the Cotton
and/or Holiday Bowl partnering with the Y for postseason destination(s), and of
course more "secret talks" negotiating Home-&-Home series' with
schools like Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.
Congratulations Cougars. Ignore the silly remarks from Naval Vet. Obviously, the
scheduling will continue to improve -- especially if you win.
NavalVet I have never seen a blog about BYU fans claiming we are going to play
your mentioned teams. There were articles about rumors, but no fan claimed we
had signed to play those teams. Please get your facts straight.
I live in Houston so this will be a welcome change from watching BYU on TV or
having to travel to Dallas to watch BYU play Oklahoma (which I did see first
hand), TCU (also traveled to watch), or Texas (not sure if I will go).
Houston... lol that's funny... when are they going to schedule some tough good
teams. Weak, weak, weak
On the upside, it looks like the cougars have finally started doing a better job
with their scheduling. They're now beginning to move up from playing a weak-WAC
schedule to a C-USA schedule. Sure, it's still pretty mid-major-ey, and
pathetic for a fanbase who touts top BCS programs like Penn State, Ohio State,
Wisconsin, and Nebraska as lining up eager to play them, but still a major leap
forward from the worst teams in the WAC. Even their FCS opponents
improved...from Idaho State to Weber State.[*snicker*]
Naval VetI didn't realize that fans were in charge of scheduling
teams....In that case, could we schedule Fresno State. They're not
that great, but I'd like to see my Cougars play in person please.
I hate to disagree with Tom Holmoe but BYU has played in Houston before, just
not against the U of Houston. I got drenched in the stands while watching BYU
get clobbered by the Rice Owls in 1997. It rained so hard in the 3rd quarter
that at times you couldn't even see the field from the stands. BYU played very
poorly, loosing 27-14 to a team that they should have easily beaten. Let's hope
the upcoming games will turn out much better for the blue-clad Cougars.
I really don't like filling up a September date with this matchup, unless BYU is
confident they will be able to get good opponents during October and November.
Is Utah on the early schedule that year? Perhaps if we fill all the early slots,
the Pac will relent and let Utah-BYU happen in November during rivalry week, the
way it ought to be.Interesting that from most non-DNews articles
I've seen, BYU and Houston are always the top two schools mentioned for Big 12
expansion (assuming Arkansas will never leave the SEC and that TCU brings no
added TV market). We might be competing with them for a lot more than just
winning a couple of games.
Houston is a good addition to the cougars' schedule, but I can't help but wonder
why neither Houston nor So. Mississippi were among the schools I heard Y fans
bragging about scheduling over the summer. Instead, I kept hearing cougar fans
citing schools like Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.So what happened to THOSE schools?
I love the accompanying photo with this article -- it's like Bronco is saying,
"Yeah! Bring it on!"
Houston may be a member of the Big 12 by 2013/2014.Nice get.
This is what I love about independence... This year two games in Texas, plus a
probably bowl game. Then another in 2013 right here in Houston!
Houston is a great addition to the schedule (and not just because I live
there!). Good solid team, well-respected but very winnable. Hopefully teams
like this will start to replace the Idaho States of current schedules!Go Cougars