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Published: Sunday, Aug. 21 2011 4:28 p.m. MDT

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Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

Excellent journalism with real insight by the Globe. The little Kingdom (stone)
seen by Daniel in Daniel ch 2 is growing because, as Daniel prophecied, "There is a God in Heaven that revealeith secrets, and Daniel goes on in the seventh chapter giving us more ligtht on the subject by writing, "and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven shall be given to the saints of the most high". The little stone becomes a great mountian and shall stand forever.

One of the tasks assigned to the Latter Day Saints is to preach a restored gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world. that task is under way headed up by an inspired leadership unequalled in all the world. All the worlds troubles and ills could be solved, and will be solved under the inspired leadership of this great organization and those who freely choose to join in and assist. Of course, because of freedom to choose, there will always be distractors causing waves.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

From the very beginning, we have been an amazingly organized people. The organization was instituted by the Saviour and it is what has enabled us to survive and succeed against insurmountable odds.

Whatever needs any member of the Church has, the Church has a program and the "manpower" to address that need. The ability to execute these programs is based in the faith and committment of the members. The Lord clearly knows what he is doing. His work goes forward.

RRB
SLC, UT

Is it a Church or a business model? One cannot serve both masters.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

It's like it's a compliment... that just fosters the "LDS Inc." stereotype.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

WOW! I just read through Carroll's article. Most publications don't have nearly this much insight into LDS theology, doctrine, and belief, especially from someone who I assume isn't LDS.

Very impressive. I certainly wish more articles were written with such detail and open-mindedness.

Vanka
Provo, UT

"A business model... made perfectly for the 21st century."

You got that right. Just like Amway or any of the other similar business models that operate on hype and glorify those at the top at the expense of those masses at the bottom.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

LDS is a huge tax-exempt corporation. So yes, the followers have a business knack. The missions certainly help train young men to not by shy, be go getters, and tell people what they 'need' to hear but nothing they 'don't need' to hear. Give them the "milk" before the "meat". That's called sales.

So they learn to be disciplined, sober, go getters with sales skills. That's fantastic for business. It's a shame their selling dreams ...

Their used to be small businesses making the LDS undergarments. They were private enterprises. New prophecy stated they can only be purchased through the church. The LDS undergarment industry went under and the Church monopolized it.

joy
Logan, UT

@atl134

The LDS church and it's business affairs are there to solely serve God. They are of one purpose.

Please ponder that hopefully you can wrap your mind around it.

defibman
Syracuse, UT

@ Vanka

I am one of those at the bottom, but I just don't see where those at the top have operated on hype and glory at my expense. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

"Just like Amway or any of the other similar business models that operate on hype and glorify those at the top at the expense of those masses at the bottom."

Yeah, you know Vanka, if you count how many penthouses, second and third homes, how many personal jets, and how much vacation time President Monson and his other business buddy apostles have, you'll realize how much a statement like that is utter nonsense.

The leaders of this church do more than you or I do for humanity, with even religious causes excluded. How these men spend their day is a night and day contrast to how many others in wealth live.

You have mentioned that you have gone to an LDS Church for 20+ years with your spouse. I would suggest trying to keep an open mind and avoid assuming something about other human beings. I know about only some of their responsibilities and how busy they often are and they certainly do not live at the expense of the members of the church. This work is designed to uplift everyone.

It is a rather disappointing view. Despite my inability to convince, I hope that can change.

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

I hate when the LDS church is compared to a business, and its sad to see so many members willingly accept this comparison. I tried to be a decent, hard-working missionary, but I'm a terrible salesman. People should accept the gospel because they are converted, not convinced. We do harm to the sacred nature of the gospel when we believe if you can sell pest control, you can 'sell' the Book of Mormon.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re:LValfre | 6:32 p.m. Aug. 21, 2011
"LDS is a huge tax-exempt corporation."

No, that is incorrect. Are you referring to their tax status in the USA or in other locations throughout the world? In the USA the LDS has a taxable arm used for example to fund the City Creek Project. The LDS Church has a not for profitable religious arm that is used for example to build and operate meeting houses and missionary work.

The LDS Church should be entitled to operate under the same rules as every other church in the United States.

tyndale1
Pullman, WA

I loved the article in the Boston Globe. I too was amazed that they were more spot on with LDS doctrines and ideology than most, and they understood the Church a hundred times better than some who might hail from Chicago or Provo. That is what being open minded will do for you.

What I like in the Organizational model of the LDS church is there ability to call to action quicker than any other faith, and quicker than many businesses. The Home and Visiting Teaching arms of the LDS Church are powerful. Thanks for the article.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

Elcapitan, how presumptuous of you. If all the world's ills can and will be solved by the LDS church, does that mean I am part of the problem as I am not LDS? I am not saying the LDS church is not a great organization, but there are plenty of other organizations doing great deeds all over the world.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@joy

I was merely trying to state what Richard Saunders did later as to how comparing the church to a business is meant as a compliment... but with many that comparison has a negative connotation so it's not entirely good for the church to be compared in that way.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

I loved this paragraph from the piece:

"But as a written document, the Book of Mormon bespeaks the careful editing of a complex range of prior sources and the keeping of records on family sagas multiplied many times over. Whether the achievement is regarded as Mormons and Moronis or the unlikely young Smiths, the Book of Mormon is a coherent narrative which, while relating a tragic saga, finds redemption precisely in its coherence."

Thank you Mr. Carroll for your observation as a professional writer. I've never understood why some think that a 23 year old farm hand with a third grade education could create by himself such a sophisticated, subtle 500 page book in 3 months.

Honor Code
Denver, Colorado

Either be a Church or a Business..............you can't be both!!!

JLFuller
Boise, ID

Some folks above apparantly believe God must exist on the margins. LDS theology says God and man are partners. That is a lot different from the traditional thinking of creedal Christianity. One group asks God for inspiration in daily life and the other thinks of God as the favor grantor in times of trouble.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

Whether you believe in LDS theology or not, you have to acknowledge that LDS leadership is very dedicated and hard working. The top leadership consist of men who almost all should have long ago retired to a life of relaxation and enjoying grandchildren. Instead they log very long hours doing something that they believe helps others.

But I do think the City Creek Project inevitably reinforces the stigma that the Church is a business. That project will likely cost two to three times more than the Church has spent on humanitarian efforts in the past ten years. I understand the argument that those funds came from non-tithing sources but it is difficult to avoid the perception it creates.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Honor Code | 6:59 a.m. Aug. 22, 2011

Some of us pray for God to help the poor .... and then stand back and expect Him to do all the work. The Mormons ask God to help the poor and then step forward to help Him serve our fellow brothers and sisters.

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