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Published: Sunday, Aug. 21 2011 3:55 p.m. MDT

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Dektol
Powell, OH

Religious cyber bullying by those who don't like the truth coming out? This is foolish and will only backfire on the LDS Church. You can't hide history forever and the truth forever.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

There are probably several reasons why the LDS Church website is the most visited of any faith, I would imagine that the vast amount of talks, scripture, and family resources alone make up a good chunk of that.

As to the point about the heavy focus on image. I think there are really two primary reasons for such efforts. In my opinion, these serve simply as a missionary tool and as a place where people can get an accurate representation of the Church.

From the paradigm that the LDS Church is THE true Church of God, both of these things only serve to do good in the world. I personally have been very happy with the efforts the Church has put into online resources and image.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

I've been very displeased to see how much effort the church puts into marketing and PR work. The truth of God shouldn't need public relations ...

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Dektol

You said - "Religious cyber bullying by those who don't like the truth coming out?"

Did I miss something? Where in this article or in the Washington Posts' article is cyber bullying by the LDS Church mentioned?

Are you suggesting that anything on the Internet written or spoken by the LDS Church or its members is cyberbullying?

Perhaps you feel LDS Church members have no right to express their feelings about life or their faith online. Sorry, but last time I checked the U.S. Constitution, it didn't say, "Freedom of speech for everyone except Mormons."

You said - "This is foolish and will only backfire on the LDS Church. You can't hide history forever and the truth forever."

What exactly is going to backfire? The fact that LDS critics have the same access to the Internet as does LDS Church members?

You seem to imply, as many others have, that before the Internet came along, the LDS Church never faced criticism or attack, that no one before has ever taken a critical look at its history or doctrine.

The LDS Chcuh has always had critics and always will. Sorry, but we're ready for the attack.

defibman
Syracuse, UT

So Dektol, why don't you enlighten us as to the truth, or has your points been put to rest so many times that no one else pays any attention to them but you.

Kevin
Surrey, BC

to: Dektol | 4:20 p.m. Aug. 21, 2011

"This is foolish and will only backfire on the LDS Church. You can't hide history forever and the truth forever."

Sorry to burst your bubble but the LDS church doesn't hide what you call "the truth". I have read enough post on here by anti-LDS submitters to know that what they call "the truth" is often out of context, is someone's personal views, or is outright false. I know my church history pretty well and nothing I have ever read from reliable sources has shaken my faith. In the past people have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes because no one is perfect. However, after 180+ years the Church moves forward changing lives and bringing people to Christ. Following the restored gospel will always be a blessing in the lives of those who do live it, in this life and the life to come.

carpediem
Holladay, UT

I would say 1 in 100+ websites out there is pro LDS. I can't remember how many times on my mission we would have someone interested in learning about the church, but then after we left they would search the internet and never wanted us to come back. People go online to learn and I don't think we've scratched the surface of what needs to be done to get our message out there.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@LValfre 6:24

You said - "I've been very displeased to see how much effort the church puts into marketing and PR work."

Most critics of the LDS Church agree with you. They seriously dislike any effort the LDS Church makes in portraying its members as normal, every day, hard working people who have good days and bad days like everyone else.

From the critics point of view, anything outside of portraying LDS people as mindless, heartless, Stepford wife robots is totally unacceptable.

You said - "The truth of God shouldn't need public relations."

In other words, if someone creates a video or website that distorts the lifestyle and teachings of LDS Church members, the church should just ignore it and make no attempt to correct misinformation. To be more specific, critics of the LDS Church should have final say on everything having to do with the LDS Church.

Sorry, but Satan has controlled the Internet long enough.

Now, it's our turn.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

LValfre,

The truth of God doesn't need PR, we do. If you understood LDS theology and doctrine I believe you'd understand why that claim is incongruous with other LDS beliefs.

We don't believe that God will do things for us that we can do for ourselves.

Example:

"God, please do my gardening, write my thesis, and shine my shoes for me."

And if you expect the LDS church to watch people slander its name and let it happen because that shouldn't stop the church, then you forget something essential to that process. Why would God allow one side to attack the other, and not allow the other to defend itself? There is no logic in that. The point? The Church has PR 1- to spread the Gospel and 2- to accurately represent the church.

But according to your logic, the church shouldn't need missionaries either. In fact, we don't need the Book of Mormon, or the Bible. No one needs the Bible... cause why would God need those things?

Again, it's not God that needs it, it's us that have needs.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ho cares what the Washington ComPost says about anything?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Truth be told,
(and contrary to Conservative thought) --
Mormons have always been "Progressive".

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Don't you just love how the critics continue to think that the truth is hidden from the general membership. Even those so called proclaimed members continue to say this when the truth has been given over and over again.

The problem is that the truth is only the way they see. Until the Lord returns the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will continue to have is opposition. However, once the Lord returns all of this will be dispelled as this is the Lord's Church. He has declared it as such as a whole, not individual people. Our missionaries continue to convert and bring thousands to Christ each year. Those that leave, are leaving more to the fact they are not willing to change their hearts or their minds to the truthfullness of the restored Gospel. Nothing of the mistakes of man makes Joseph, Brigham or others less of a prophet. It just proves they are men like us who are tempted, decieved by Satan. Those who fight against this Church are pawns of Satan.

Seattleview
Federal Way, WA

In response to the usual critics, the reason the Church makes such an effort to control their own message is because it is nearly the only church that is fighting a whole cottage industry out on the web devoted to spreading misinformation about the LDS church. That requires a matching response.

I have been very impressed with how the churchs efforts have often resulted in LDS church sponsored website sources of information come up before the miriads of anti Mormon sites out there. Years ago, you would only find the anti stuff and never get to the churchs real position.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The church has the best PR maching of any corporation out there. They're up on their Marshall Macluhan.

tyndale1
Pullman, WA

Its always fun to see our friends from Powell and Chicago and Provo (he will post soon) on the comment thread here. Of course they are going raving mad seeing all the positive press come out about this Church. This is by far the best year ever for the internet search engines leading people to better understand a religion that has been maligned and spoken against for years. The problem is, they can't keep us down. No matter how much they want the Gospel of Jesus Christ to fail, it rises and grows. Infuriating, I would think, if you were against this work.

Why does it remind me so much of that Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, who told the persecutors of the early Christians and of Christ that if their religion "be of men it will come to nought:

But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it;"

Well, don't be the last to know. Read the Book of Mormon for yourself, all of it. Ask God if it is true. I did. You can too. God bless.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Bill in Nebraska, well said!

Seattleview, I agree

DN Subscriber, I care.

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LDS Liberal, you are right. The church is very liberal and progressive. Where you and I differ is that the original forms of liberal thought have been perverted into meaning something else.

Liberalism holds that all should be free so long as they do not infringe such freedom among others.

The Church supports this.

However, with things like prop 8 and other debates, it is not us who take away freedom from others but others who calculate to take freedom of religion.

See, liberal means something, and that isn't the U.S. understanding of the words 'far left' but a political philosophy. The church adheres to it perfectly. Modern day 'far left liberals' in America do not adhere to the original design of the word. See the difference? I'm not trying to simply fight you. Please keep in mind I genuinely believe this. I didn't understand it until a great deal of education on philosophical thought, political theory, etc. But I assure you, it's true.

Chachi
Charlottesville, VA

As By Common Consent points out, "Theres plenty of hyperbole in the article (have we really 'infused SEO into [our] culture?' Cmon), some sloppy sourcing (of course a Protestant digital strategist says Mormons are taking over the web), and a misuse of the word 'bloggernacle.'"

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

Dektol,
"Cyber bullying by those who don't like the truth coming out?"

I have found the truth, and the truth is making me free.

Please don't lecture Mormons about what we believe or don't believe. Believe it or not, I have actually started to read some anti-Mormon books. I can't get through more than a few pages because of inaccuracies or out-right misrepresentations of my faith. Let's say that you read a book on US history that says that "Theodore Roosevelt ended WW2 by dropping the atomic bomb on Tokyo in 1946." What would your opinion be of that book? Would you trust anything else that that book had to say about any topic? If you read something that misses obvious factual errors, would you trust any analysis? Sometimes when I read an anti-LDS book I'll find something that makes me roll my eyes and I'll put it down.

By the way, Mormons are discouraged from purchasing anti-Mormon books not necessarily reading them. There are people who make their livelihood writing anti-LDS books, and not buying the books doesn't encourage them to make more.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

LValfre,

Is Public Relations inherently evil? While I lived in Vienna, I met the LDS PR person over Eastern Europe. He said his "favorite" article was a Russian newspaper photograph that showed a disheveled looking young man in a white shirt and a loose tie standing at a bar looking downcast into his beer. The female bartender was wearing just a bra. The caption below said, "Mormon missionary after long day preaching, being served a beer by a Mormon Sister". He kept an ever-changing file of the "top ten" worst articles.

Now, in theory people take the information given to them in the newspaper at face value. After reading the newspaper, what would the good people of Russia think of the Americans preaching about alcohol and chastity? What would government officials think when LDS apostles come asking for more Missionary Visas? Do we not have a right to state our case?

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

Christ said
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

With good public relations, we can work with like minded people to accomplish greater works. Others won't be afraid to speak to members or missionaries to find out what we truly believe. Or get building permits for chapels or temples. Some people cast Mormons as recluses, or hostile to people who are not Mormons when in fact we are commanded to be the opposite. With modern technology WE can directly communicate OUR message, unfiltered or modified by those who don't have our best interests in mind. May we have your permision LValfre? Pretty please?

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