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  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2011 12:32 a.m.

    @StGtoSLC "I find it ironic that BYU fans rate the success of their team by the number of televised games, not on wins."

    The teams that win/are successful/are relevant are the ones people want to watch...which is why BYU has been put on national television so many times, and why we rate it so highly.

    Utah's 2 BCS wins have gotten them a TV deal with KJZZ and a whole lot of Bill Riley time this year.

    So one question for you: when will Utah become relevant?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    I find it ironic that BYU fans rate the success of their team by the number of televised games, not on wins. Congratulations on the 30 year old championship. When you have another undefeated season like Utah or Boise St. has, let us know and maybe you can join the club of relevant bowl games. Or maybe you'll be like that '99 Marshall team who got cheated out of one and had to play an irrelevant team. "Ouch."

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE / Uteology

    Bowl Opponents Ranked in the Final Top 25 (both polls)

    Utah(4) - two Top 10, none undefeated
    WSU #15/#17
    Ariz #20/#20
    Ala #6/#6
    BSU #9/#7

    BYU(16) - four Top 10, two undefeated
    Ok St #14/#14
    Indiana #19/#16
    SMU #20/#20
    Ohio St #12/#12
    Ohio St #14/#11
    UCLA #14/#14
    Penn St #15/#14
    Tx A&M #15/#13
    Iowa #10/#10
    Kansas #22/#23
    Ohio St #11/#10
    Kan St #17/#17
    Tulane #7/#7
    Marshall #10/#10
    Louisville #17/#16
    California #25/#25

    Spin away, but bottom line, BYU has played as many ranked teams in bowls as Utah has played bowls

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    @Uteology

    You forgot the most important stat...

    National Championships: BYU 1, Utah 0.

    Congratulations on your bowl record and 2 BCS wins. Nobody cares, including the PAC 12, which stuck your first ever PAC 12 opener @USC on Versus while Colorado gets an ESPN2 date with the Trojans.

    In fact, the Buffs, even in the current PAC 12 TV deal, are on television more than U this year.

    Ouch...that's called getting invited to the "big boys" table and then getting stuck in the high chair and told to behave.

    Good luck with that :)

    @All other Ute fans

    I find it ironic that we BYU fans get told by U fans that we're the "national champs of the preseason" when, after one decent showing by the offense in practice, y'all come on here and talk about 'smelling roses' and 'Rose Bowl here we come'.

    Wow...double standard, anyone? :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    2010 #89 (6-6) UTEP 24 BYU 52 (6-6) opponent dropped to #121
    2009 #16 (8-4) Oregon State 20 BYU 47 (10-2) drop to #30
    2008 #50 (7-4) Arizona 31 BYU 21 (10-2) rose to #41
    2007 #41 (6-6) UCLA 16 BYU 17 (10-2) drop to #45
    2006 #32 (7-5) Oregon 8 BYU 38 (10-2) drop to #37
    2005 #31 (7-4) California 35 BYU 28 (6-5) rose to #29
    2001 #23 (10-2) Louisville 28 BYU 10 (12-1) rose to #17
    1999 #11 (12-0) Marshall 21 BYU 3 (8-3) rose to #10

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    @CG: "No, biased spin is what we've come to expect from Utah; only ONE of those 9 bowl wins came against a good team (Alabama)."

    Trust a BYU homers to give opinion as fact without research to back it.

    In bowl games played in the MWC (8 overall for both teams):

    AP Top 10: Utah 1-1 (W#4 L#10) vs BYU 0-0
    Top 25: Utah 3-1 vs BYU 1-2
    Overall: Utah 7-1 vs BYU 4-4

    API top 25 and USA Today Sagarin Rankings otherwise:

    2010 #10 (11-1)Boise 26 Utah 3 (10-2) opponent rose to #9
    2009 #35 (8-4) Cal 27 Utah 37 (9-3) dropped to #46
    2008 #4 (12-1) Bama 17 Utah 31 (12-0) drop to #7
    2007 #59 (8-4) Navy 32 Utah 35 (8-4) drop to #74
    2006 #47 (8-4) Tulsa 13 Utah 25 (7-5) drop to #65
    2005 #24 (7-4) Georgia Tech 10 Utah 38 (6-5) drop to #41
    2004 #19 (8-3) Pitt 7 Utah 35 (11-0) drop to #25
    2003 #31 (9-3) Southern Miss 0 Utah 17 (9-2) drop to #51

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    @TroyTown

    Trust a BYU homer to be delusional.

    Utah State put a thumping on BYU but no one argues that Utah State was a better team.

    Yes, one can easily argue that a 7-6 Washington was a better team than 7-6 BYU.

    A) They, unlike BYU, actually beat a team with a pulse, #20 Nebraska. Who did you beat? Bo Diddly Tech?

    B) According to USA Today Sagarin Rankings: #28 Washington and #45 BYU

    Utah was a top 5 team as much as the 12-0 2001 BYU was a #8 team.
    Utah had a weak schedule at the start of the season that's all. Down the stretch last year Utah indeed was playing its worst football since start of the 2007 season, that's not an opinion but a fact.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    CG,

    Just like 2005 huh CG? When the UTES beat a ranked Georgia Tech team, in a bowl game, with one of the top receivers in the nation that year. We also had a backup QB that game with Brian Johnson going down before the Y game. Over the last decade the UTES have beat better teams in bowl games than the Y has. Wer have also won more bowl games than the Y has the last decade. So we lost to one of the best teams in the nation last year in a bowl game, with a inept backup QB. Ouch, 1 out of 10 bowl games is not too bad. Y fans would love to have the UTES bowl record over the last 10 years, especially against some of the teams we played in that stretch. You beat UTEP though, so that is a HUGE bowl win for you. Have fun in the Armed Forces Bowl, even if you go 11-1.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 22, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "UW's Bowl win over Nebraska>Bowl win over UTEP"

    BYU 23 > Washington 17

    Trust a Utah homer to use an indirect comparison, when a direct comparison disproves their obvious bias.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "bowl win over a good team is something you come to expect from a team who's done it 9 bowls in a row and 7 straight years"

    No, biased spin is what we've come to expect from Utah; only ONE of those 9 bowl wins came against a good team (Alabama).

    Very few of Utah's bowl opponents were ranked (Pitt was ranked 25th in ONE poll), and last season we saw what we can expect to see when the Utes do play a ranked team in a bowl - total domination, by the likes of "girlsie state".

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 22, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    10-3>7-6. UW's Bowl win over Nebraska>Bowl win over UTEP. The down year wasn't a spin, a bowl win over a good team is something you come to expect from a team who's done it 9 bowls in a row and 7 straight years. Try it sometime.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "Winning records from last year?"

    USC 8-5, Arizona 7-6, Washington 7-6. Based on their records and competition last year, each of them better than BYU"

    Trust a Utah homer to try to argue that Washington was a better team than BYU, "based on record and competition", when BYU BEAT Washington head-to-head.

    Besides, last year's records are absolutely meaningless as far as how good teams are going to be this year.

    Laughing out loud at your "down year" for Utah spin. Utah was flying high with a Top 5 ranking and Utah fans were boasting about national championship aspirations in the biggest game in Utah history, right up until their 7-47 beatdown to TCU and subsequent end of season meltdown.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    We also play at Pitt (8-5 last season). In truth, I see BYU losing to a previously 4-7 Ole Miss, 5-7 Texas, and a 10-3 (which was considered a down year) Utes team. Don't take UCF as an automatic win, either. The Knights finished 11-3 last year with a bowl win over Georgia. That's very realistically an 0-4 start! And then you still have to play the USU team that demoralized you last year, face humiliation to TCU, and finish the year with a decent Hawaii team. That is cause for some concern. I do appreciate your care and and well-wishes for the Utes, though.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Ducky, do you do anything but troll Utah stories? I am beginning to think the answer is no as you seem drawn Utah football stories as a moth to a flame. Unfortunately for you, you typically face the moths same fate against the flame as your posts are shot down as quickly as the Iraqi Air Force, but don't let that stop you from being so obsessed. Deep down I think you're really a Ute fan but as it seems to be the only thing you think about.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @stgtoslc

    Yea that's a real murderer's row. Although in truth I look to utah to lose every single one of those games, and the BYU game as well. LOL!

    It's getting close.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    sammy: "Winning records from last year?"

    USC 8-5, Arizona 7-6, Washington 7-6. Based on their records and competition last year, each of them better than BYU

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    @ Wally West

    I like your analogy... Ute Turtles it is!
    ===

    Life as a Ute... one good day at fall camp and the good ship 'Rosey' sails again. Love it!

    ===
    @gord

    "You should be more concerned about trying to stay awake watching...

    Let's see, Utes play who this year? Any teams with NCAA sanctions going on? Winning records from last year?

    Give it 2-3 years and the Y's SOS will be just fine. When do you play Texas, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, etc.?

    And good luck staying awake LISTENING to some of your games.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    I can not wait to see this freshman class play! If the reports from camp are to be believed, Dres Anderson and Eric Rowe are going to be stars, Fakahafua and Murphy will be very good right away, and Issac Asiata, Scott, and Langi could all make big contributions this year too.

    Only 11 more days until we can see if these players are for real, only 11 more days until we get to see the new offense and only 11 more days until Utah plays its first game as a member of the Pac 12 conference!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    "the BYU defense hasn't had a single day as good as the Ute offense's good day"

    BYU's defense is playing against BYU's offense; it's not surprising that BYU's defense isn't having banner days against BYU's offense.

    On the other hand, any defense would have looked good against the offense Utah has had for most of fall camp. The fact that Utah's DB's started getting burned as soon as Utah's offense developed a pulse, shows that Utah is going to have huge problems if Utah's defensive front seven can't put pressure on the quarterback.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    Wally West

    "If BYU and their fans want to continue to be the hare then so be it. I'm certain that the Utes and their fans have no qualms about being the tortoise."

    BYU achieved their first national championship in their 60th season of playing football.

    2011 marks Utah 118th season of playing football and still no championship.

    Enjoy being the tortoise.

    BYU doesn't mind being the hare.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    re: Christy B | 12:48 p.m. Aug. 21, 2011

    "It's laughable that Utah sets such low goals for themselves, and then mock the Cougars for striving for the ultimiate achievement."

    Perfection is a process not a destination or quest. Its better to set achievable goals and make slow and steady progress.

    If BYU and their fans want to continue to be the hare then so be it. I'm certain that the Utes and their fans have no qualms about being the tortoise.

    We all know how that fable tuned out.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    I love how from the very 1st post on this article utah "fans" made me the issue. LOL!

    As for the point at hand it is also LOL that utah's offense has 1 good day and all of a sudden utah "fans" proclaim everything to be just fine. Once again 1 good day in 3 weeks practice is hardly something to get excited about. Well unless you are a "fan" of the team that has only had 1 good day.

    LOL!

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    The jealous Utah fan hyperbolic mantra: "Coug fans are once again proclaming a preseason NC"

    Not a single regular BYU blogger has proclaimed that BYU will win the NC in 2011, yet Utah keep spouting the same tired drivel.

    What's Utah's goal this year, to finish 2nd behind USC in the PAC 12 South and backdoor your way into a conference championship game with a mediocre 8-4 record?

    It's laughable that Utah sets such low goals for themselves, and then mock the Cougars for striving for the ultimiate achievement.

    It does explain why finishing 2nd is such a monumental achievement for Utah.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    I'm excited to hear that the offense has made progress. I was getting nervous. It sounds like the o-line is coming together and Wynn definitely looked good. It also sounds like we have a solid backup at QB and the RB's are getting better.

    Bring on Montana State!!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    re: WestCoast1 | 11:33 p.m. Aug. 20, 2011.

    " Both Arizona schools could be good, yet they tend to be really flaky---they both can win big games, yet lose games they shouldn't lose"

    UAz is on the rise IMO but has the same problem OU has a flaky head coach & what do you know they are related.

    All things being equal; The U goes 8-4 finishes 3rd in the South behind USC & Arizona and goes to the Poinsettia Bowl.

    *If* the NCAA throws the book at the Ducks then Utah is sitting pretty.

    re: Wiley Old School | 9:23 a.m. Aug. 21, 2011

    Exactly. I could not have summed it up better myself.

  • Wiley Old School RIC, VA
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    byu116970:

    That's the difference between most BYU fans who post on these boards and Utah fans. Ute fans would rather take the more challenging road, knowing there will be some tough seasons along the way. But when a special season happens, it will be rewarding and any recognition will be earned.

    So many Y fans, however, would prefer to play cupcake schedules and hope that enough other teams will beat each other up so that BYU lucks into a high enough ranking to qualify for a BCS game.

    It looks like each school's fans are getting what they want, so congrats to all...

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Such good news to read about on a beautiful morning in So Cal.

    The red roses in the block of U that I planted in my back yard look so beautiful too. I can smell the roses!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    @byu116970
    Don't you have some step sisters of he poor to get ready for? Great thing being Independent.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    byu116970 | 1:08 a.m. Aug. 21, 2011
    Tooele, Utah

    "How will the exposure be if you fall on your face and prove to the nation non aq teams cant compete in a bcs league"

    Hmmm. If a 2-time BCS-buster fails in an AQ league, that won't bode well for a BCS invite to a non-AQ indy that has never even sniffed a BCS bowl game. Glad you'll enjoy the over-exposed late-season Idaho State-type games at home, you'll get plenty of them.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:48 a.m.

    re: flamer66

    Those dumb Coug fans are proclaiming a preseason NC again. Can't wait until the utes win the pac12 south and rose bowl though.

    re: westcoast1

    The southern division is utah's for the taking. Sure glad the utes don't have any problem areas ! Langi will be the ute's next 1000 yd rusher though he may need 900 carries to get there.

    Go rose bowl champs !

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2011 1:08 a.m.

    I wouldnt trade a 7-5 or 5-7 pac for ind ever. Bsu proved you can get to a bcs game with a mediocre sched and you forget so did utah. So what the pac does is make it harder to get there.
    How will the exposure be if you fall on your face and prove to the nation non aq teams cant compete in a bcs league even the awefull pac south div.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    This is all good new, the Utes are getting healthy, the offense is starting to come together, and there are no new injuries. The sky isn't falling after all.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    Sounds like the Utes are making progress on offense. The papers down here are sounding like USC is a little bummed about their post season restrictions. And UCLA is shaky at best, although they are talented and shouldn't be overlooked. Both Arizona schools could be good, yet they tend to be really flaky---they both can win big games, yet lose games they shouldn't lose. With Colorado being in a rebuilding mode with a new coach, the Southern Division of the PAC 12 is Utah's for the taking.

  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    Let's see Ducky, the BYU defense hasn't had a single day as good as the Ute offense's good day. A couple good athletes at linebacker and Coug fans are once again proclaming a preseason NC. Can't wait to see what happens.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    duckhunter,

    Tough words! You should be more concerned about trying to stay awake watching a schedule that includes a sub-par Texas team, a bad SEC team, and a half dozen games against the lower half of the pathetic WAC.

    Independence isn't all it's cracked up to be, is it?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Let's see uteology, the offense had one good day out of about 13 practices wasn't it? That equals slightly less than one good game for the 12 they'll play this season. Seems about right.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Glad to hear it. Hopefully Wynn is back to 100% and can build continuity.

    It's good to hear that people are giving Utah a good chance at winning the South. They picked a good year and drew a good schedule... Hopefully they can make it happen!

    Go Cougs!

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Utes are looking to step up as camp ends. It was painful reading some of the articles regarding the offense during camp. I think it was beneficial to get Sam B. back. I think over the next two weeks as the o-line comes together it will be really good to see how the offense improves. I am getting ready for game one and can hardly wait to make the trip to USC. Man its a great time to be a UTE!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    "After being overshadowed by the defense throughout camp, the offense had its day in the end scoring on nine drives with no fumbles or interceptions."

    @Duckhunter

    What now? Back to TV "exposure" smack?

    Good to see the offense making strides.

    Go UTES!!