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Published: Friday, Aug. 19 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

A few Texas politicians could torpedo this possibility and the Big 12 could be compelled to offer the slot to Houston, even though the Cougars that wear red (UGH!!!) don't even have half the attendance figures of the Cougars wearing blue. If this does reach fruition for BYU, and yes it is a real possibility for them, Utah fans will be gasping with disbelief! LOL! They will be in complete denial on here: "I thought no BCS league would ever take BYU due to their strict no Sunday play policy?" Or just as silly making claims that BYU has a completely irrelevant program or that their 2 BCS bowl wins in '04 and '08 trump the fact that BYU holds a 29-20 edge on them during the WAC/MWC era (1962-2010). Ute fans will be upset with this one and know doubt lobby anyone with any power over BYU to try and put a stop to this one! then the trash talk between Utah and BYU fans will take on an entirely new dimension!

Omaha, NE

I don't get it. Why don't people understand what BYU is doing? Is it that hard to understand they are going independent for exposure? They have a long-term deal with ESPN that will likely continue to put 10 games on ESPN and they have BYUtv. BYU is doing what it wants, and I don't get why everyone speculates they'll just desert that because poor little Texas is all alone and no one wants to play with them. I've never heard anyone at BYU say they'll be looking for a conference after a year or two.

Honestly, I can't wait for the season to start. People have nothing else to think about other than who will be in what conference. People, just chill and let things play out.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@SLC BYU fan It is so like a BYU fan to pick stats like you quote. BYU fans never want to look at the full picture but rather a micro version so that they can slant the truth.

Orem, Utah

If the Big 12 were to expand to 16 teams, it would prevent the BCS from having four 16-team superconferences.

This is because the Pac-12 needs several Big 12 teams to get to 16, or (shudder) elevate a lot of western mid-majors. The Pac's too highfalutin to do that.

So, the first to move to 16 between the Big 12 and Pac-12 secures their future as a superconference. If the SEC moves first, that could prompt the Big 12 to act, stifling the Pac's ability to do so.

Several 12-team BCS conferences COULD be around for decades to come, but only if the SEC decides not to expand, and that seems unlikely from all reports.

Texas A&M's move to the SEC would snowball expansions, with the SEC robbing the ACC of its best teams to get to 16. The Big Ten would rob the Big East and whoever else necessary to get to 16, too.

The leftovers in the Big East and ACC couldn't get to 16 teams without elevating a bunch of mid-majors, but that would only weaken their attempt at being a BCS superconference. Sorry, TCU.

Fun times ahead!

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

I agree with Striker...BYU is not going to pounce into a possible Big 12 implosion. They might over the course of an extended and eloborate negotiation period... make a move. One that would at least see them through 2011-2012...and that being only with the help of ESPN to guide them and guarantees that the 8 biggest schools...ie. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State would have to remain. There would at least have to be that core guarenteed to be firmly entrenched for BYU to even consider any possible invitation....Baylor's not going anywhere unless they get pushed out... so the starting point is at least 9 teams...allowing that A&M may already be out the back door. To start at anything less than that would be putting BYU at risk. The conference needs to find a replacement of the present commissioner and Texas needs to enter into a more realistic world of learning how to better relate with other programs...realizing that the universe does not circle around them.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Striker: BYU has made it clear that any memorandum of understanding they sign with ESPN or secondary league (the WCC in this instance) will become null and void if an acceptable invitation is received from a BCS-AQ league like the Big 12. ESPN also control the first tier rights to the Big 12 so the details can be worked out and BYUtv can under the Big 12 charter continue to carry third tier rights just like the Longhorn Network. I think its been the goal of the administration for years to get more exposure if they can join a league like the Big 12 since theyll take a religious school (they already have Baylor). The Pac 12 doesnt want a religious school so much as not wanting BYU. Utah fans need to get that one straight.

@Silent Lurker: I think Utah fans have the micro-version stats down better than any group since prior to the mid-1990s they were NOTHING and could not compete with BYU for the previous 20 if they tried. Remember it was BYU people (Kyle Whittingham) that helped make Utah a winner again.

Eagle Mountain, UT

silent lurker:
Pot meet kettle.

There are those on both sides who do this to support their arguement.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

Wow for a minute there I thought this was an article about TCU, who would have thought!!


The Big 12 wont invite TCU because of TV revenue reasons and TCU is in a good place where they are headed.

BYU shouldnt worry about the Big 12 either, as that ship is sinking. If the big 12 decides to be proactive and becomes the first super conference, then BYU would be smart to consider, but only then.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah


"I think Utah fans have the micro-version stats down better than any group since prior to the mid-1990s they were NOTHING and could not compete with BYU for the previous 20 if they tried. Remember it was BYU people (Kyle Whittingham) that helped make Utah a winner again."

Silent Lurker is right! You byu fans are very selective with your stats that would favor byu instead of looking at the bigger picture. For example you said "BYU holds a 29-20 edge on them (Utah) during the WAC/MWC era (1962-2010)" Why do you select your stats that go back to 1962? Why don't you trace your stats that go all the way back to 1922 when your football program officially started. The bigger picture would show that Utah has a HUGE edge over byu 54-34-4. Not even close!

Prior to 1973, byu's football program was irrelevant and could not beat Utah to save their lives. There was football played prior to the 1970's and you Cougar fans for some reason don't understand that.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah


One more thing! Do you remember a guy by the name of Norm Chow? That offensive guru that was a huge part of byu's success back in the 80's and 90's? He was a Utah Alum, in fact he played on Utah's football team back in the 60's. Coach Whit maybe a byu alum, but byu also have hired Utah coaches on their staff too.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Remember it was BYU people (Kyle Whittingham) that helped make Utah a winner again."

SLC Fan:

The vitriol is astounding, exceeded only by selective stats and facts. Let's remember that it was 2 Utah Men, LaVell (MA) and Norm (BA), that rescued your team from complete irrelevance. And don't forget that since '93, after Ronnie Mac had begun making football a priority again on the Hill, Utah is 11-7 against the cougies.

I, for one, hope you get into what's left of the Big 12. It might save you from the fan cost of independence, pretending to enjoy those mid-season home matchups with San Jose State and Idaho State.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Bleed Crimson: Hah! Move that 1973 date back to 1965 when WAC rules first required Utah to play BYU home and home for the first time in the series. Prior to that no games to speak of were played in Provo. What happened to Utah from 1972-1993? They dropped off the college football map! Only 2 wins over your hated rival that you love to say how you dominated is pretty lame don't I say?

You Utah fans are just dreading the prospect of BYU being invited to the Big 12 which will effectively torpedo any long term chance of Utah reaquiring the majority fan base along the Wasatch Front. Another Ute fan in denial over BYU owning them during the modern league alignment era which is now opening a new chapter. COUGARS RULE!!!!

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Ibleedcrimson | 9:28 a.m. Aug. 19, 2011
Cottonwood Heights, UT
Wow for a minute there I thought this was an article about TCU, who would have thought!!

You need to read the story, and not the title.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

@Silent Lurker: It's because no other institution is so good at revisionist history.


@SLC BYU fan

"Another Ute fan in denial over BYU owning them during the modern league alignment era which is now opening a new chapter."

I'm sorry, but i don't understand how we are getting "owned" during the modern league alignment, when BYU doesn't even have a league... yet. If BYU does go to the Big 12 then they would be in the same boat as Utah. Both in power BCS conferences that are worse (from top to bottom) than the SEC. Or is this about your fight for the Wasatch Front fan base that everyone in the world cares so much about?
Please just go back to researching weird stats that would "prove" BYU's superiority over Utah. I'm sure BYU's fan attendance to stadium hot dog vendor ratio is much better than Utah's, and has been every odd year since hot dogs were invented in 19-whenever...

American Fork, UT

Gotta love the byu fans. Mosquitoes have a place in this world too!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

SLC BYU fan:

The "modern league alignment era"? What's that? You couldn't have been referring to this recent bout of conference carouseling since the score between the U and the Y at this point would be 0-0; no games had been played yet. Plus, at this time, you're still an Indy-WAC mid-major. You can't take credit for events you've "fantasized" would occur.

If you were referring to the point where the contracts had been signed [i.e. summer 2010], the score would be 1-0 in Utah's favor.

If you were referring to any point prior to that, then the score is STILL in Utah's favor, and by a large margin, since we've been in the same conference since the '20s.

If you were referring to the modern era of college football, that would only go back to '98; the dawn of the BCS-era. And in that case, the score is 7-6 in favor of Utah. In the era of the MWC, the score is 7-5; again in Utah's favor. No wonder you wanted to go all the way back to include the WAC yrs.

Greenwood, IN

BYU is better than Utah because I like them better than Utah. That's all that matters to me. I don't really care what Utah fans think, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think. Head to head win loss records don't really matter, nor do bowl records. It's is your right to think otherwise, but this quibbling from both sides is really stupid and pointless.

McLean, VA

One other factor to consider here in terms of TCU's conference alignment: There was lots of bad blood spilled way back when the old Southwest Conference disintegrated, and the Big 12 was formed. TCU was left behind along with several others, and Baylor was retained. Lots of this was driven by political interests, but TCU took it very hard and blamed Texas. In my opinion, having lived down in Houston in the 1980's and 1990's, UT would never allow TCU into membership, and I seriously doubt that TCU would want to be in a league with UT again. Yes, I know that the blood was spilled many years ago, but I don't think that DeLoss Dodd has forgotten. So, I doubt highly that TCU would give up on the Big East, and I'd be amazed if a Big 12 invitation would ever be extended to them.

I think that would leave BYU and AF as the prime candidates if Big 12 expansion happens. However, if I'm BYU, I'd really look hard before I would take that chance. If the Big 12 has a 16 team league in mind (with some hope of stability), then maybe. Otherwise -- stick with independence!

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