Thanks for the interesting speculations. I have often thought that we may have
some embarrassing moments on the other side when we meet up with people that we
easily criticized while here, thinking that they were dead anyway so it didn't
matter--or at least that we may be humbled a little when we learn the whole
story about them.
A thoughtful analysis of this woman and her life has been long overdue. Thank
you. It's always easier to do sound bites on a person's character when that
person is shown to be less than stellar under stress. That makes the rest of us
feel stronger in a sad way and also vindicates our desire to believe we would
have done well in that person's stead. Of course, our own failings are glossed
over or ignored at that time; we're grateful to realize, after all, we'll not
get the chance to be scrutinized and found wanting as the one under our
scrutiny. Our trials are different and walking a mile in their shoes is rather
painful. The Lord will bless each of us for doing the best we can in our own
particular circumstances, as I believe he is doing for Lucy Harris now and
If she burned them, why didn't the Lord have Joseph re-translate the 116 pages?
Women in history... found always guilty by second hand witnesses, for not
supporting men on their callings... When will we do the same with men for their
lack of support to their wiwes? Women have a sacred calling as well.
i have always wondered why no one asked lucy directly what happened to the 116
pages- if they did, did she deny/lie/dissemble. did she confide the whereabouts
to another at some point in her life? btw the historical record
shows MH to be a religious loon- his beliefs and testimony blowing with every
religious fad that came along throughtout his life. consequently his life and
end of life "testimony" of mormonism" is highly, highly suspect.
concerning lucy's relationship with martin, it was a rocky one, not
because of lucy but because her husband was mentally disarranged.juast saying!
What a great story. Thank you for this point of view. Martin Harris, in spite
of being chosen as a witness to the Book of Mormon, must have been a belligerent
man, who probably mistreated his wife because of his violent temper. (Lucy Mack
Smith) No wonder the Lord was upset with Joseph Smith for bugging Him until he
let Martin take the 116 page manuscript and trusting in the arm of man, not the
Lord. I tend to believe Lucy did burn those pages and Joseph was not allowed to
retranslate them because Martin, who liked to glorify himself and not the Lord,
would have taken credit for the translation. Of course, he would have had to
make changes so he could prove Joseph Smith to be wrong. Then Martin and his
cronies would get the glory for the "correct" translation and Joseph
would have been proved a charlatan. Perhaps it was a Divine work that after
Martin took those pages, they went missing and even that they were destroyed.
What original source materials are available that firmly establish these new
historical claims by this author?
To: clau | 5:21 a.m. Aug. 18, 2011NEW ALBANY, MS I beg to
differ with your view a bit. I believe that there is just as much or
more of a tendency on the part of members to jump to the conclusion that when
there has been a marital problem resulting a separation or even a divorce
between seemingly equally active Church members, it is the husband/father who is
viewed most often with a jaundiced eye.Thank the Lord that He is
all-seeing and all-understanding and that the judgments of mere mortals does not
come into final play.
SerenityIf I read your post correctly Lucy Mack Smith was NOT Martin's
wife. She was Joseph Smith Sr.'s. Martins wife was Lucy Harris. While it is
second hand it is interesting to note however that Lucy Smith claims that Lucy
Harris told her that Moroni had appeared to her and shown her the plates.
To: yarrlydarb | 1:24 p.m. Aug. 18, 2011Ogden, UT Well, If
they are "equally active church members"... I agree. But if they
aren´t... We have Lucy Harris, we have Emma Smith, and others around
church history and church families. I´m just saying that women in history
have been ignored as part of their husband´s sucess and curse by some
historian o religious leader when they decided to focus on family instead of
focus on churchThank Deseret News for allow us to comment, mere
"Lucy Harris was a determined soul with the temperament of a mother bear.She protected her own.And though history has cast her in the
role of a Judas of sorts, the truth is — if you believe Rhett James
— she was really just a mother and homemaker at the end of her wits.Like the mother in the musical "Les Miz," she could feel the
tigers coming at night, with voices loud as thunder.She felt she had
no other choice."11 And behold, I say unto you, that because
they have altered the words, they read contrary from that which you translated
and caused to be written;12 ...the devil has sought to lay a cunning
plan, that he may destroy this work;13 For he hath put into their
hearts to do this, that by lying they may say they have caught you in the words
which you have pretended to translate. —D&C
10:8–13Lucy "felt she had no other choice"?
Speculation on what Lucy did, and why she did it, seem to be countermanded by
what God said "they" did. I believe in God, not in wild speculation.