I think it's good to know what a candidate who claims to be Christian does with
his money. This question comes to mind. "If you were indicted for being a
Christian, would there be enough evidence to get a conviction?" In the case
of most normal, everyday people who profess Christianity, there would be few
indicted and fewer convicted. A true Christian, like Mitt Romney, will be more
even-handed and diligent to making this a great nation again. A penny-pinching
thief, who pays no tithing and respects no laws should not be elected or
re-elected. God Bless America with the wisdom to do the right thing. In my
humble opinion that would be to nominate and elect a great man like Romney in a
landslide in 2012.
Pagan, everything related to the LDS church isn't about Prop 8 and your
victimization. Can you come up with another topic to comment about?
How much did the GOP front runner Rick Perry donate?
Mitt Romney will make a great President.
Hawkyo,BY was spoken to in clean English when he was given the Curse
of Cain prophecy wasn't he?
Sharronna, you do realize that when Jesus was speaking to Joseph Smith he was
speaking in English right? Joseph didn't know Hebrew, so of course Jesus would
use Jehovah, not YHWH.
Screwdriver, the eye of the needle refers to a small gate in the wall around
Jerusalem. Camels had to kneel down and scootch through on their knees. It was
hard, and took a lot of effort, but it was possible. THAT is what Jesus was
talking about in the scripture you quoted, not a reference to wealth being bad.
Wealth can change a person and make it harder for them to be humble enough to
repent and give his sins up. That's why it's hard for rich men to enter into the
Pagan, when are you going to stop being surprised that the LDS church, along
with most other Christian denominations does not and will not condone your
lifestyle? Get over it! We understand you hate them for it, now please move on!
Screwdriver, you sound angry at wealthy people. I think you should judge by the
content of one's character not the size of their pocketbook. I know some pretty
down-right mean and ornery poor people, and a few pleasant hard-working wealthy
people. The thing with wealth is, if you don't know how to handle it, usually
you end up losing it. working hard for something is what it takes to handle
one's wealth. Hard labor isn't the only kind of hard work. Romney worked hard
for his money, don't begrudge someone who is living the American dream by their
Some people just need to be heard...I guess. Pagan...I your repitition, and
predictableness is leaving people no other alternative but to ignore you. Good
luck to you. I find that everywhere I go...person's who feel
"victimized" are simply that...a victim - whether the LDS church
targets you personally or not...you will always play the part of the victim;
always enslaved to anger, pain, heartache, etc.Romney and countless
others in this crazy world choose a different path...we shed the mask of
"victim." God Bless to anyone who gives freely of oneself; whether it
be time, money, energy.
Wow...people coming out of the woodwork to comment on anything Mormon is sure
It's called tithing, duh? Are they going to report how much tithing the other
guys give too? Now that would be interesting.
ClarKent writes, "I would like to see the tax deductions for charitable
iving eliminated. Yes, I give to charities. No, I don't deduct a single dime of
that. True charity isn't there when you expect Uncle Sam to give some of it back
to you!"I agree that charity isn't contingent on a tax rebate.
However, if I earn $100,000 and I am giving $10,000 to a good cause, I don't see
how the government should be able to tax money that won't be coming to me
anyway. Only a "charitable" guy like Obama or one of his groupies
would want to tax charity.
Sharona,I agree that agape is the root. But I had never heard that
word used until the last decade or two. In translation, Joseph would have to
have used a common substitute that would be intelligible to the readers and
charity best fits the bill.Also, what is the definition of agape?From Wiki: . . . one of the Greek words translated into English as love,
one which became particularly appropriated in Christian theology as the love of
God or Christ for mankind. Many have thought that this word represents divine,
unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love.From About: Agape is selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love, the
highest of the four types of love in the Bible. This Greek word and variations
of it are found throughout the New Testament. Agape perfectly describes the kind
of love Jesus Christ has for his Father and for his followers . . .Sounds like Moroni got it right. That whatever word you want to use, the
meaning of it is "the pure love of Christ".
Reaffirms that Romney is a good person. I'd trust him above any other of the
In contrast to the Romneys, The Obamas returns show that the couple made very
few charitable contributions, sometimes less than 1 percent of taxable income,
until Mr. Obama began his run for the White House. In 2004, before Mr. Obama
entered the Senate, he and his wife gave $2,500 to charity, 1.2 percent of their
taxable income. The next year, the donations jumped to $77,315, or nearly 5
percent of their taxable income. Their charitable giving only went up when it
looked like he was campaigning for the presidential office. (from a NY Times
article dated March 26, 2008 by Leslie Wayne)This just can't be
right. Democrats care more than anyone else about the poor, don't they???
Tom in CA | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011 Pay attention yourself.Read my statement again. I never claimed it was true that the LDS Church
pushed through Prop8. I said it is known as the Church that did so.And that is true. The public perception is that the LDS Church made Prop8 pass
when it otherwise would not have.Take a chill pill. Your persecution
complex is showing.
Mitt Romney is very generous with his financial success. His charity is
voluntary and admirable.
I commend Mitt for living a commandment. Living God's commandments brings
blessings and happiness. It shows me that Malachi was right you will be blessed.
Giving to the LDS's Humanitarian Fund provides food, and necessities not only
here in this country but though out the world. The LDS are amongst the first
responders in all disasters. But they don't make it a point to be in your face
about it.It helps to know Mitt is a man of principle. I know nothing about
Jon Huntsman Jr. except he takes a lot of credit when it was his fathers doing.
Jon Huntsman Sr. is worth far more than Mitt Romney but his plan is to die poor
with all of it given to those in need. Hopefully he past some of that down to
his son. At first I thought this article was an attack on Mitt but when I
was done I think it was showing exactly his character. There will always
be negative with candidates but if you're looking for perfection you're wasting
Dektol. Should the same be said for Harry Reid? He is Mormon as well.
Screwdriver: Romney wasn't bragging about it. It was research done by
journalists. Tax laws require foundations to tell where they spend their money.
No one knows (and should not know as you mentioned) if Romney also gave money
Let's do some math:$38,000,000,000 divided by 12,000,000 members
divided by 26 years equals $121.76.$38 billion over 26 years divided
12 million members equals $121.76 per member per year. How much did you give in
It must be the end of days when the Des News is quoting the Huffington Post
about one of their own!
I don't care if a candidate gives $3 Million to charity or $3,000 to charity. We
should just say thank you and move on, because it's really none of our business
what somebody does with their own money. It's extremely bad manners to judge the
size of one's charitable contributions.On another note, I can't
believe Dektol's bigoted comment got 9 recommendations. So, Mormons can't hold
political office? What's next? Do you want to round us up and put us in
concentration camps? Maybe we should be required to wear identifying patches on
our sleeves and hang signs indicating our mormonness in the windows of our
So Romney donated money that went to fight something immoral. I don't see a
problem with that. Wish more rich people would give some of their wealth to
fight destructive forces in our society. And so what if being rich is a choice,
so is acting on immoral inclinations.
And here's Pagan, again and again . . . .
re:BobPMoney is fungible. The Church spent, on average, over 25 yrs,
$25 million/yr in humanitarian aid.
Pagan,Yes, being rich is a choice, in a way. I was just
merely suggesting that you are so against my church for sticking to it's
beliefs, and you are offended they go against your own beliefs.Why
do I have to pay for abortion? Why don't I get a say in it? Why do my taxes go
to these federal programs? It's just like my church against your government.
No matter what, we will disagree. But the fact that Romney donated
that much money is great. It will help many people who need it.
Tithing is not charity, Fast Offerings are.Tithing goes to support
the operations of the LDS Church (or whichever church they are donated to).
This is not money dedicated to the aid of the poor and needy - which is true
charity. Money to build churches is not a charitable use.
My count is 8 posts out of about 60 moaning about gay rights. That seems a
To Pagan: Yes, it is failing in the courts as far as California is concerned.
It will pass in the US Supreme Court by a vote of 5-4 upholding the definition
of marriage as between man and woman. The same will be said for DOMA as well.
In every state where it has been placed on the ballot for the voters to decide
the vote has been 30-0. So yes the courts are ruling against us but in the end
the only court that matters is the Supreme Court where it will stand.Marriage is defined as between man and woman. That is the only definition
that matters. All others fail. Man can use the courts to change the law but it
will never change the Laws of Heaven which were decreed long before either you
or I came to this earth. Marriages are intended to last forever, not just for
our mortal lives. Therefore, any same-sex union will never perpetuate beyond
the grave. As some one early said what is good is now evil and what was evil is
Dektol:Your figures are wrong and your opinion on the churche's
giving is wrong.1. The LDS church has business ventures that go
back a long time, the sugar beat industry, communications, the Union Pacific
Railway. The mall / apartment complex is financed from non tithing or
sally,do you even know what a tax write off is?
I'm glad to see that Romney gives a lot to charity. Ideally, he should be able
to give in private, but I guess that's not going to happen because of the
scrutiny aimed at all major politicians.As I understand God's will
concerning riches and poverty: The rich should choose to give to
the poor until there are neither rich nor poor. The poor should
not envy the property of the rich. All people should be
self-supporting if at all possible. Those who give should not
judge the poor as having deserved their poverty. Giving requires
us to use judgment, lest we encourage over-dependence on the dole.
Rich people who withhold from the poor are in danger of judgment, as if we had
stolen from the poor. The majority of us Americans are rich
compared to the rest of the world.
"Most of it is about tax write offs."sally 11:02 Kearns
UT:Do YOU take tax credits for charitable donations, IF ANY, that
you donate to???
One of my dad's partners asked once "what can you do with your second
million that you can't do with the first?" That was when a million was real
money. His point was about acquiring personal things with his accumulated
wealth. Some rich folks use money as a means of keeping score in the game
against competitors and peers. Others, like the Romney's, believe it is a tool
given to them to use for the benefit of others too. Paying a full tithing is one
way of keeping the communication lines open with the Holy Ghost in aiding to
know how and where to use recourses best. Like my dads partner, there is only so
much you can buy and do with money before it becomes obscene. The Romneys have
shown that there is a better way. But then again there are a lot of folks who
think like the Romneys.
Wealthy people donate to charities for the tax write off. The real test for the
wealthy would be for them to donate without the tax write off. Many of them
have charities just for the purpose of making themselves look giving and
helpful. Most of it is about tax write offs. The wealthy can afford clever
accountants who shape the appearance of the character of the wealthy individual.
It is about power and appearance and not paying taxes. It is all about how you
"play the game of life".
"The LDS Church is known nationwide as the Church that pushed through
Proposition 8 in California."Vanka:Pay
attention:If every Mormon in CA had stayed home and not voted, guess
what, Prop 8 still would have passed. Are you with me??You can thank
the Catholics, Evangelicals, Chinese, The Black Community, Hispanics, and many
others all for "pushing through" Prop 8.
Twin Lights, The definition of charity found in Moroni 7:47 is very much in
keeping with modern translation, Wrong. Check: NIV,ESV,NLT .The
Greek word (agape,25) is often translated "love" in the New Testament.
"agape love" is different from other types of love? The essence of
agape love is self-sacrifice. Unlike our English word love, agape is not used in
the Bible to refer to romantic or sexual love. Nor does it refer to close
friendship or brotherly love, for which the Greek word philia is used. Nor does
agape mean charity, a term which the KJV translators carried over from the
Latin. JS misunderstood the KJV.The spelling Jehovah appeared first
during the 1762-1769 editing of the KJV Bible. The transcription Jehovah is
nothing but a misunderstanding by Christian translators of Jewish reading
traditions." JS saw the KJV not Jesus. From LDS
revelation, however we learn that Jehovah is the English form of the actual name
by which the Lord Jesus was known ANCIETLY[no way]. (D&C 110:3,appears to
JS)(says hes Jehovah, Abra 2:8) Mormon Doctrine p. 788. google Tetragrammaton,
to all the tithe haters, and o fans,check out how much biden and obama
gave.they are loose with others money and remember, whatever contributions
they make are based on monies we the taxpayers pay them.Romney is on
record that he will not accept a salary, but will donate it to charities. o?
@bunnyhopSnarky? I'm simply stating what we've all been told countless
'For months now I have heard you say raise the taxes on the rich because they
can do it.' - TOO | 9:45 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011 Aw. Poor
rich people. Because they care so MUCH about you. (Sarcasm off) Too, isn't being rich... a choice? Whereas: *'Psychologists nix gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09'The American Psychological Association slams technique that seeks to change
sexual orientation. No solid evidence exists that such change is likely,
says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could
be harmful, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.' *'Gay man
says 'reversal' therapy did not change him' - By Lisa Leff - Associated Press -
Published by DSNews - 01/20/10 'SAN FRANCISCO A gay man testified
Wednesday in a federal same-sex marriage trial that the "reversal
therapy" he underwent as a teenager to change his sexual orientation drove
him to the brink of suicide.' *Survey links gay suicides to
religious message - BY KRISTEN MOULTON SL TRIBUNE 02/17/11
*'Teens gay or straight more likely to attempt suicide in conservative towns'
- By LINDSEY TANNER - Medical Writer - AP - 04/18/11 Is this the
'charity' you were speaking of?
Geez Hal, this is such an earthshaking revelation that I am totally awed (LOL).
Why don't you report on something that actually matters, not how much tithing
Mitt pays. Anyone could have figured this out on their own. Last week it was
"Mitt's Wealth Causes Concern." This week it's Mitt's tithing.
Pagan-For all the good that your saying the LDS church does...it is
still TARGETING my life.I have no choice in that.Please stop
targeting me, and then trying to justify it.Isn't this what the
government does? For months now I have heard you say raise the taxes on the
rich because they can do it. Why don't the rich get a say in it? Why do they
have to be punished by the government for success? The government targets
me and makes me pay for people's food, school, and other programs...I have no
say. Then they try to justify it.Liberals always point out that
it's only fair...when it's their side that does it, but if it's the other side,
it's bad. Hypocrisy is a weird thing, isn't it? The fact that it's the
church is what irritates you. But when your President does it, it's okay.
@ScrewdriverWhile I can certainly appreciate the honor in a
civilized society working together to help those who are less fortunate, I
shudder when I hear comments about how someone who might have more somehow does
not "deserve" their wealth.Just how much is too much? Who
gets to decide when someone has "more than you need?" What is that
magical point where wealth "becomes obscene" and WHO gets to determine
that precise point? Exactly when does someone have "social rights" to
what others have? And what dangerous mechanism in a free society will be used to
take from others what society has determined they don't deserve? This type of class envy disguised as "social justice" is nothing
more than entitlement code for "what others have, I deserve...simply
because others have more."Rather than engage in hostility
against the affluent and focus on how their wealth can be confiscated, why not
work together as a society to seek more positive solutions to eradicate
poverty...those solutions indeed exist if one can get past this silly class envy
Romney was required to open his accounts because he is running for president.Doesnt really matter if LDS Chuch is charity or not in the mind of critics; If
other churches are considered charitys for tax purposes, which they are, then so
is the LDS Church@Ernestsnarky comments do not advance a
conversation or embolden support
'...but I can't help but wonder how much of his "charitable"
contributions were earned by putting people out of work...' - Mike in Cedar City
| 9:03 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011 Supported. *'Let Detroit Go
Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08 *'Mitt Romney as
job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg
News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11 'Employees who lost jobs at
Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago say they still hold Romney
responsible."I would not vote for him for anything," said
Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...'
Sharrona,The definition of charity found in Moroni 7:47 is very much
in keeping with modern translation.Reference Joseph Smith
misunderstanding YHWH as Jehovah. The name Jehovah was then, and still is, in
common usage. My first name is originally from the Hebrew but no one pronounces
it that way. When I introduce myself, I do so using the common, not Hebraic
pronunciation. When I introduce myself to foreign speakers, I modify my
pronunciation to help them better understand my name.Jesus and
Christ are not the name and title Christ would have used during his lifetime.
But were he to come today, I would fully expect that they would be how he would
identify himself to us now given that they are the name and title we know and
understand. The very nature of translation is that the person hearing the words
understands them for what they mean and represent. On that point, Joseph did
As others have said, not all of Mr. Romney's contributions can be considered
charity in the purest sense, but I can't help but wonder how much of his
"charitable" contributions were earned by putting people out of work
as his holding company Bain Capital did its thing.
Mark 10:2323 ¶And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his
disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of
God!Mark 10:2525 It is easier for a camel to go through the
eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.Seems Jesus wasn't fond of people taking more than they need. But fine, give
it a shot if you must. Free country and all...
With all those rich blessings in store he will now become president of the USA.
If charitable giving offends you, then this article might seem offensive. If you
think everyone is angry at God, just like you seem to be, then this article
might seem offensive. If you hate anything and everything about the LDS Church
for one reason or for another, then this article might seem offensive. If you
think LDS Church funds are lobbed into a single account, or you believe church
leaders profit individually from those donations, then this article might seem
offensive.But if you had real understanding, if you had personal
charity, if you could get past stereotypes and hate and greed you would praise
God that someone successful, someone who understands economy also has a heart to
match his courage, then you would be grateful. So which are you?
Rocket Science, quotes from the BoM. Charity is the pure love of Christ and
that is what the church is, what it teaches, what it practices, True. Moroni 7:47 . "But charity(love) is the pure love of Christ . Makes no
sense in the original Greek. Charity, mid-12c.,benevolence for the poor,"
caritas from the Latin Vulgate often used as translation of Greek, agape
"love". Charity is the Latin translation of agape(love).The Love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13. Charity(love)never fails( 1Cor 13:8) or
Faith hope and charity(love)(1 Corinthians 13:13).This is why
Christians Churches have several different Bible modern translations do to
discoveries of earlier and better MS than the(TR/KJV)and better scholarship
like; Jehovah is a mistranslation of YHWH.JS was unaware of the poor KJV
'Who cares if they donated money for prop 8?' - TOO | 8:11 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011
I do. Your don't seem to understand that.
For all the good that your saying the LDS church does... it is still
TARGETING my life. I have no choice in that. *Mormon
Church agrees to pay small fine for mistake that led to late report of
contributions in Prop. 8 campaign' - By Scott Taylor - By DSnews - 06/09/10 *'Three GOP Presidential Candidates Sign Pledge To Investigate LGBT
Community' - Stephen D. Foster Jr. - Addicting Info - 08/16/11
'Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Santorum have all signed a pledge to
form a commission to investigate the LGBT community if elected President.' The Pledge reads, in part: 'Four, establish a presidental
comission on religious liberty to investigate (sic) reports of Americans who
have been harassed or threatened for excercising key civil rights...' When I have never done the same to any LDS marriage.
Temple, or otherwise. Please stop targeting me, and then trying to
Tom in Said: For your information, sir/ma'am, with all due respect to your
humble opinion, no group of people in this country has greater respect for the
constitution than do the LDS.Yeah we're aware of the "white
horse prophecy," when the LDS Church Carries the nation forward."As for Romney, his allegiance is to his church leaders, not the
Constitution of the US. Soon, soon.. they will be the same... well
according to the old WHP anyway.
Pagan, VankaNeither one of you really seem to understand what else
the church does with it's money. Who cares if they donated money for prop 8?
It's something they believed in. You obviously don't read articles
where the church donates MILLIONS after tsunamis, earthquakes, Haiti, Katrina,
and many instances. When I was in the MTC, President Packer came
and spoke to us. He said when the tsunami hit in Asia, the church donated
150,000 body bags and helped build mosques for the people to worship in. Everything the church does is from charity. NO money that the church
has in their bank account is from force--unlike some programs now. It's all
given from the members and anyone else who sees fit that the church should get
it. Nobody is paid in the church, all time is free.The LDS church
is the greatest program in the World. And whether you choose to see that or not
is up to you. Nobody is forced to give because they have more...and guess what?
It works great. What other church on Earth can build a house of worship every
working day for it's members? What a great work!
B said: The fact that we are talking about a man who gives millions more that
just his tithing to his church flies in the face of the greed you are talking
about.Not really, if he didn't give it away as a TAX Deduction, the
Evil Government would take it as taxes.This way he gets to choose who he
looses it to, religion or government.Widows mite, You can't make a
down payment on a condo in heaven with money, even money with Gods name on it.
Imagine if a POTUS candidate were found to have donated millions of dollars to a
radical, fringe, fundamentalist Islamic group. Would such a candidate have a
chance at winning the Whitehouse?Probably not.So Mitt
Romeny donated millions of dollars to the LDS Church. The LDS Church is known
nationwide as the Church that pushed through Proposition 8 in California.
Whether or not it is true, the LDS Church is considered by many Americans to be
a fringe, radical, strange, fundamentalist religious group.So, for
Mitt Romney to donate so much money to the LDS Church makes Mitt out to be one
who is opposed to equality and civil rights, and one who is on the radical
fringes of society.That fact alone potentially alienates over half
the US voting population, including me.
Just follow the money. ' *'LDS Church's in-kind donations to Prop. 8
total $190K' - By Lynn Arave - By Dsnews - 02/03/09 'Proposition 8
was a ballot measure in California last November that changed the state
constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples and
eliminated same-sex couples' right to marry.' *'Romney pledges
against gay marriage' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News - 08/06/11 *Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1 million By Ken Thomas AP
Published by DSNews 08/04/11 *Mitt Romney: Corporations and people,
my friend By Phillip Elliot AP Published by DSNews 08/11/11
'Mitt Romney gives millions to Mormon Church' - Title - Today
FYI: *'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret
News - 07/17/11
"As for Romney, his allegiance is to his church leaders, not the
Constitution of the US. He should not have any elected office. No mormon
should."@Dektol 7:48pm - "Charity is way down on the list
of what the LDS church really is."Who appointed you as the
judge, jury, and executioner??Please define for us in your words
what the LDS Church REALLY is. And further, let us hear exactly what YOU have
contributed to ANY charity this past year, or the past 5 years. For
your information, sir/ma'am, with all due respect to your humble opinion, no
group of people in this country has greater respect for the constitution than do
I'm happy that the man is so charitable, not that it is really any of our
business. But when that same guy calls corporations people, I really have to
think twice about voting for said man. That said, if the GOP win this, I'd
rather it be Romney then most of the Tea Partiers running on the GOP ticket!
I'd like to think Romney is more moderate, which is what we need in the White
House every time.
"We, 5% of the population use 25% of the world's resources because we
can" This has already been dispelled, but I cannot resist. I
have been to many other countries...poor countries. Often they are not poor in
resources but they are poor in freedom. If they had the prosperity that is a
byproduct of freedom, they would have the ability to produce and use more
resources also."Wealth has caused more suffering in the world
than any other human frailty."Well, you are half right. Wealth
can be put to evil purposes. By far the greatest examples of this in history
are when governments usurp the wealth of citizens to oppress them, or wage war
on someone else.
Isaiah 5:20 comes to mind with some of the comments on here: "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for
bitter."Regardless of your opinion of Mitt Romney, or Mormons,
or rich people, or America, you cannot honestly find fault with what the guy has
done with his money. It's not money that belongs to someone else that he took
too much of. It's his. He earned it and he is doing good with it. The idea that there is just a set amount of wealth in this country that people
like Romney are hoarding is such an uneducated, economically illiterate notion.
People still come to this country with nothing and take advantage of the
opportunity and make a great life and they did it by providing a good or
service...NOT by taking another person's piece of the pie.
Mitt Romney's donations to the Church is really noone's business. That is a
private thing. However, what he does outside of the Church is his business and
others, I guess. I think it is wonderful that he enjoys helping others but
reading about it sure makes a person feel like their small donations are not
worth much. We do the best we can then it's up to the Lord. As far as Jon
Huntsman, Jr...anyone who refuses to admit they are not active in the Church
says alot of his character. I think he is using his inactive membership to get
votes and that is not a good and honest thing to do. But time will tell....
So Romney is wealthy and he generously gives 10% of his earned wealth to a
Christian church.Gee, let me guess....liberals will claim this is
@ Screwdriver | 5:15 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011 Your comparison with the
apple tree is faulty. The law of the harvest claims if you planted the apple
tree, took good care of it over time, you can pick all the apples you want for
your needs when there are fruits on the tree; and then share the amount you
decide to give away for others.However, in today's world there are
those who want to take away the apples from a tree they did not plant in the
first place (nor wanted to plant) and take care of years ago. FREE LOADING
comes to mind. Stealing is not too far fetched either.
Dektol | 7:48 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011 Powell, OH "The article is not
correct. The LDS Church is not a charity. Almost 4 BILLION dollars on a shopping
mall, a for profit venture? Charity is way down on the list of what the LDS
church really is."Not fact. But thanks anyway.
Dektol, you sound like some people who lived in Ohio or Missouri in the 1830's.
Of Romney and Mormons you say "He should not have any elected office. No
mormon should." Seriously, if you can get over bitter and religiously
bigoted feelings you'll feel a lot better.The LDS Church is indeed a
true charity. Charity is the pure love of Christ and that is what the church
is, what it teaches, what it practices and what it uses it's resources for. Oh,
you can find many cases where we as individuals do not always act in a manner
that would please Jesus Christ, but despite our many sins and how short of the
glory of Christ we fall our aim is to glorify his name.
the haters haven't let me down yet. Only you can find something negitive to say
about somebody who gives to any charilty. your hatred and ignorance has more to
do with religon than the individual. there is no pleasing any of you who are
blind with prejudice.
Wow, my post for this article and the one about 'scientists wanting more
children'. I've gotta start writing shorter posts.
@ Dektol .... seriously?
@Dektol...You're way off. There are charitable and for profit operations of the
church. Not a dollar of tithing money is used to build shopping centers. All
the other donations people make are directed by the donor as to where they
should go. Educate yourself on the church's humanitarian efforts before you
start spreading lies and misconceptions. You also have no idea as to
how the church feels about governments and the Constitution. A quick read of
the Articles of Faith would clearly show you we are subject to the laws of the
land. Your view that no Mormon should hold elected office flies in the face of
the Constitution itself and shows your ignorance to just how many Mormons live
on both sides of the aisle. You must also feel the same about so many other
religions and organizations. Your list of who should hold office must be very
small. Sounds like you also have allegiances to things other than the
@ScrewdriverYour argument and the numbers you quote are based in
pure ignorance. Really. It is such a worn out, false argument. History
doesn't support it. The fact that we are talking about a man who gives millions
more that just his tithing to his church flies in the face of the greed you are
talking about. Go read about Andrew Carnegie. He spent half his life giving
away his fortune.Spreading poverty doesn't make people equal.
Spreading poverty makes it so that there really are just a very few elite rich.
(Not the kind YOU think of, I'm talking about the Soviet kind.) This nation has
many riches compared to the world because we are not run (yet) by central
planners in far off capitol. The best way to help people is to promote
capitalism and trade in as many places as possible. Even Cuba has come to this
Screwdriver:You are dead wrong if you think that because someone has
more than someone else that they have taken it from those who have less. It is
not a 0 sum game. As productivity increases the sum of the total increases.Example: In the dark ages the world produced a certain amount of wealth
and goods. In today's world because of innovation and productivity we produce
hundreds of times more goods per person than they did back then. Just because someone has more than you does not mean they are taking it from
you. They are creating it through hard work etc.Apple computers is a
great example of creating wealth with awesome new products that are new and
provide new services and create jobs and wealth.It is not a 0 sum
game. The pot just gets bigger.
Good for DN to cover the Huffington Post article. Most people won't read either
the DN or Huffington Post article and will believe what a few off the cuff
people say about Mr. Romney and the LDS Church that is not true. Politics is
hard on families involved and we should be thankful for good people that put
themselves on the line for our Country. The military have people attacking them
for their cause for freedom and Mr. Romney has the same type of attacks. This
is refreshing to hear good things that he and his family are doing and have done
for years. He didn't wait until the time was right. That has been a part of
his life since he was a kid. His parents taught him true and correct principles
and you can see it in the demeanor on his face. What a good family example in a
trying time for many families.Thanks to the Romneys for taking on
Awsomeron1I understand that tithing is something God requires of us,
but it is still something we give of our own free will. It is only because we
can choose to pay or not that we are blessed for our obedience.I
have never found the amount of my tithing (or anyone else's) dictated their
status in the church. The only question that ever mattered was whether they
paid a tithe. I am not sure what his calling, his wife's calling, or
what his children are up to, have to do with anything.
The article is not correct. The LDS Church is not a charity. Almost 4 BILLION
dollars on a shopping mall, a for profit venture? Charity is way down on the
list of what the LDS church really is.As for Romney, his allegiance is to
his church leaders, not the Constitution of the US. He should not have any
elected office. No mormon should.
That's a lot of money that the church will give to someone in need. Good for
Romney. I probably won't vote for him still, but this is a great article.
To the comment about WHY this article? Why do we need to know? I am SURE
Romney would prefer to not have this out there but necessary when running for
POTUS. I, like another commenter, found it "hypocritical"
of Obama and his "spread the wealth" ideology. He increased his
donations BECAUSE people would see his contribution amount.Perry
professes and uses religion to promote himself politically yet doesn't pay
"tithe" as many Christian churches teach. I find that, again,
"hypocritical". Does seem Christianlike to not take care of the poor
and needy.Romney does year and out tithe and beyond. He would
prefer it in private.....but such is not the case when running for POTUS.
Mitt Romney is obviously a good man and I do not measure up to him using any
standard. But if we consider the widows mite, the Church is full of members who
do at least as much as he does. My problem with him being President was the way
he so enthusiastically raised his hand about the 10 to 1 comment on a proposed
budget deal and his signing of the Norquest pledge. I dont expect him to see
things the way I do because we come from opposite ends of the socio- economic
scale but I dont wholeheartedly defer to his Harvard business education or his
wealth either. Nor do I believe that businesses always make the best decisions
for America. However, just in case the Republicans win the Whitehouse please let
it be him. With Perry commenting that if Ben Bernanke shows up in Texas he would
be treated roughly (perhaps being dragged behind a car?) and calling media
attention to watch him pray, we should all plead for Mitt Romney.
Re Rifleman, "Based on your response some people might suggest that it
irritates you to read that Mitt Romney donates to the LDS Church. If we don't
like someone we certainly don't want to hear that they do something
good."How in the WORLD did you get that out of my response? I
was responding to someone who seemed irritated that the Huffington Post was
broadcasting this info about Romney and the poster wondered if HuffPost would
give the same treatment to all the other candidates. Well obviously this
newspaper hasn't given the same treatment!!! I don't recall seeing another
article about charitable giving in DN about any of the other candidates! Do
you?As far as my personal opinion on who Romney gives to, I could
care less who he gives to. However, I would like to see the tax deductions for
charitable iving eliminated. Yes, I give to charities. No, I don't deduct a
single dime of that. True charity isn't there when you expect Uncle Sam to give
some of it back to you!
I'm not going to single out Mitt because it seems to be the American way to take
more than we need and then give a little back.We, 5% of the
population use 25% of the world's resources because we can and then feel sorry
for people in other countries? Some things are 0 sum. Take more - someone has
less. The laws of supply and demand assume limited quantities you "free
marketers".So if you take more than you need, millions more,
you claim ownership of the maker's apple tree and take all the apples are you
really justified even if you give a few hungry people a few apples? It's not
your tree. God made it all and said it was for all of us, yet billions are born
without a penny in thier families. They have no rights to what god allready gave
them? A rich man that does no labor deserves it it all and we have to serve them
to get an apple?Wealth does become obcene at some point. Wealth has
caused more suffering in the world than any other human frailty. Yes, otherwise
known as green.
So why do we have this article? In the scriptures is says that the right hand
should not know what the left hand is doing. It also refers to not only praying
in secret but giving charity in secret. When it is advertised in the newspaper,
it doesn't make me feel better about the wealthy, it just makes me question
their motivations because while they may be doing good with their donation,
having it publicized negates what the giving is all about.
Why is this news? Romney needs some good publicity to cover some his shadowy
re: ClarkKent, actually I do expect the same treatment from all sources, but I
know it won't happen, isn't going to happen and I'm not naming names either-
I am glad to read this, it puts my faith and trust in good people with wealth.
I think the candidate's charitable contributions, especially when running for
national office, are a valid topic for the press. I remember looking up Barrack
and Michelle Obama's disclosures when he was running and when earning over
$400,000 a year they donated--or claimed on their taxes--$3,500 charitable
contributions, until the year he ran for US Senate when it suddenly increased to
over $30,000. Now that's a story, especially for a candidate/President who
wants to "Share the Wealth".
Re: ClarkKent | 4:25 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011 Based on your response some
people might suggest that it irritates you to read that Mitt Romney donates to
the LDS Church. If we don't like someone we certainly don't want to hear that
they do something good.
Does Jon Huntsman Jr. donate money? I know his dad does, but what about Jon Jr.
as an individual? That is a good question.
I am sure Governor Romney would prefer that his charitable giving could be kept
private but disclosure laws for candidates make it all public. If everyone
would give ten percent to their church what ever dollar amount that might be and
if everyone would give something to good and reputable charities the world would
be a much better place. While Romney is able to give more dollars by
the percentage he gives to charity, I disagree that Governor Perry is unable to
give a similar percentage. I know many manny people who make much less than
governor Perry yet donate more than ten percent of their earnings to worthy
organizations.Willful donation of hard earned resources to worthy
causes changes hearts and breaks down barriers leading to peace and harmony
thoughout the world.
Kiaoraguy, why would you expect the HuffPost to give all the candidates the same
treatment? Do you also expect that from DN?
Are all the other candidates- both sides of the aisle going to get the same
'treatment' from the HufPost?