:-) - and KVN and JP are just licking their chops. Muuuhwahahaha
Not a good report coming out of Utah Camp... Lets hope this OL situation gets
better as the season approches because this is not a good sign of things to
come. On the other hand, I am confident that Utah's D will keep them in a
lot of games this year, which is a great thing especially if their offense
continues to be average (at best).
Things are slow in Provo when the first to comment seeming wears blue.If the offense had dominated, there still would have been wailing and gnashing
of teeth by some. No, Coach Whit is not happy....but one can never
have too much defense. Fall camp is alway like this, one time one side is up
the next time the other side is up...all that matters is wins once the season
begins. Lots of offensive firepower and a very experienced OC, the kinks will
be smoothed out and the offense will be just fine.
Utah defense against BYU offense ought to be a good battle. BYU has a very good
OL this year and Utah always has a good DL. I think the difference will be BYU's
defense being too much fot the U's offense. With each team playing two
games before 9-17, both teams should be sharp and ready. It should be a great
game. Can't wait.
Defense on the Hill will be scary good this year i think. we will see what the
offense is made out of when we get into games.
BB and MM are going to team up with CW and DK to lick some chops and gnash some
teeth over KMG and ER stepping it up at safety. Who knows, maybe even JW4 and TP
will go all TV on the RB sitch. sweet!
I can't remember a Utah fall camp where the Ute defense wasn't way ahead of the
offense at this point in camp. In 2008, the defense was killing the offense all
throughout camp and look how that turned out.If we can learn
anything from previous camps it's that by the time the first game arrives Utah's
offense will have caught up.The Utes are installing a new offense
with a banged up QB and offensive line, if the defense wasn't dominating the
offense right now I'd really be worried.
I am worried. 11 sacks in a srimmage is not just bad execution and chemistry
going on, on the offensive line. It looks like it could be a sign of some very
weak links (athletically) on the line. let's hope not. I'm sure some of the
Pac12 defenses have similar athletics, strenghth, and size on thier defensive
Attention Utah Fans:"The defense dominated the Utah football
team's second scrimmage of fall camp Tuesday as quarterbacks Jordan Wynn and Jon
Hays were running for their lives... The defense came up with 11 sacks as Wynn
finished with minus-45 yards on the ground and Hays minus-37 yards. The lack of
offensive line protection didn't make coach Kyle Whittingham too happy...
Whittingham called the performance of quarterback Jordan Wynn "pretty
average" as he completed 9-of-16 passes for 120 yards with one touchdown
and one interception."Get used to the above, because this will
be Utah's theme for 2011.
byronbca:The Defense is always ahead of the Offensive in the Spring,
and at the start of Summer camp, but by now, things should be evening out.
Eleven sacks does not reflect that expectation. This is likely why Whittingham
is not happy with the OL's progress. Plus, if our OL can't stay healthy, how
will it keep Wynn healthy. Our Offense isn't looking too good right now. We'll
be fine vs. Montana St, but we're going to get poned at USC if we don't right
that ship. Right now, I'm not sure our lineman could hold back a sneeze, much
less our Defensive Line. Let's hope we get it together.GO UTES!!!
I've officially hit the panic button with the offense. Our O-line does not
inspire confidence. I know the D is usually ahead at this point, but the coaches
also like to put them in a few situations where they get beat by the offense to
keep them motivated. Let's find something positive. Um... Jordan
didn't drop any snaps. Come on guys; the line has to step up. Let's
hope that the injuries heal quickly and the line is okay. Hopefully the
additional reps for the 2's will help them close the gap. The good news is
that it sounds like the secondary will be fine.
BaneOfHedgehog and mussingaround,You byu trolls have enough to worry
about with your own weak defense, over-hyped offense, and weak, boring schedule
that includes a 5-7 Texas team, a lower-tier SEC team, and 6 games against the
bottom of the WAC. But if you go over .500, we will all be hearing how you
deserve to be playing in the national championship.Such is life in
Reality is 2 weeks away. Montana State is predicting a win.
byronbca"If we can learn anything from previous camps it's that
by the time the first game arrives Utah's offense will have caught up."Sorry, but if we've learned anything from previous camps it's that it
takes lots and lots of practice to fine tune an offense. How are you going to do
that with your starting QB standing on the sidelines most of the time?Wynn is now a combined 18 of 33, 272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int, and a bunch of sacks
and fumbles, in Utah's two scrimmages.That works out to a 137.72
rating.Utah fans are delusional if they think Kyle is going to wave
a magic wand and Utah's offense is suddenly going to start firing on all
cylinders after spending all spring and fall camps misfiring.
11 sacks is concerning but I don't think either of the starting guards played
today, in fact I believe even their backups are still hurt so it's likely that
both guards who were playing with the first team were actually 3rd stringers.
Bergstrom didn't give up a sack all season last year and Cullen was
solid, if the o line can get healthy and get decent guard play then the o line
should be adequate.
WestCoast1You have no proof that BYU's defense is going to be weak
or that BYU's offense is over-hyped.But, you have plenty of evidence
that Utah's offense is in BIG trouble.New offense, decimated OL, a
wounded QB that still isn't completely healed, and new receivers and running
backs that have never played a down of major college football.It all
adds up to a train wreck in the making, with NOTHING to suggest that Utah's
offense can be fixed before the season starts.
Truth is, nobody has any idea how Utah or BYU will perform. It is all conjecture
and chest pounding. You can't tell how people will perform by playing against
themselves. I am excited for September.
PAC man,You posted "You have no proof that BYU's defense is
going to be weak or that BYU's offense is over-hyped." Judging from last
year (Florida State, TCU, Air Force,Utah, Nevada, and Utah State) and an overall
record of 6-6, you guys are in big trouble.Rather than hoping and
praying that the Utes will fail, you should spend more time supporting your own
team and its challenges against a very mediocre schedule.
Chow's offense is starting to feel eerily like Boylen's offense.
WestCoast1 BYU's offense improved dramatically during the 2nd half
of the season when Heaps was getting starters reps in practice and a completely
new cast of receivers and runnings backs gained some experience.The
big difference, BYU had a solid OL and a healthy starting QB.Utah's
offense virtually disappeared the 2nd half of last season, and now they're
trying to install a brand new offense, with an entirely new set of skill
position players and an injured QB.The results in two scrimmages
speak for themselves.
Montana State? Nice test for your team. I wouldn't make fun of other teams
schedules when my first game is against Montana State.
@westcoast1None of us has to "hope and pray" that utah
will fail. They are going to be very mediocre this year and terrible on offense
regardless of anything we do. The truth is that it is reaching near panic mode
on the hill as far as the offense is concerned. utah will be lucky
to reach .500 this year, frankly I'm downgrading them to 4 or 5 wins. You have
to be able to score some points to win and I wouldn't be surprised if they are
shut out multiple times this year. Last year they put up huge point totals of
7-3-3 against decent teams and frankly the 7 they put up against TCU wasn't even
legit as replay's showed it was not a td but TCU was killing them and didn't
care to challenge it.And that was when utah had an experienced line
and rb's. I'll give you credit for putting on your brave face but I
know you are pretty much in full scale panic.
Pipes - "Montana State? Nice test for your team. I wouldn't
make fun of other teams schedules when my first game is against Montana
State."Careful bro, too easy for us to win that battle. For
starters Montana State is Utah's weakest opponent but is ranked 7th (FCS) in the
nation. Idaho State - a BYU opponent - is predicted last in that same
conference.Do you want to keep going? I suggest a different battle.
Duckhunter -I see you're at your same ol' routine. You should be a
politician. Lots of scare tactics based on your personal agenda...that of hoping
so badly Utah has a tough year.You're not quite smooth enough
though, no one's buying what you sell everyday and you just keep hoping
everyone's lying to you when we say we're not worried.But I'll say
it again... n o t w o r r i e d.The game can't come soon enough.
@motorbike"Do you want to keep going? I suggest a different
battle."Sure. Let's talk about utah's offense some more. Tell
us why they are going to be good, I'd like to hear your rationalizations.
This may be a long season. Welcome to the pac-10.
Re riddles:Utah will win every single game where Wynn goes 18 of 33,
272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int. The Utah offense just needs to continue eliminating the
mistakes and they'll be just fine.Re other byu fans:Shouldn't you be concerned that every single byu QB is looking like a Heisman
Trophy finalist when they go up against your defense? Our OL will get healthy
and our offense will get better, but your secondary isn't getting any faster.
byronbca"Utah will win every single game where Wynn goes 18 of
33, 272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int. The Utah offense just needs to continue eliminating
the mistakes and they'll be just fine."Do you have any proof
that Utah will win even a single game this year with Wynn having 132 rating or
lower?The most telling stat from today's scrimmage was the OL giving
up 11 sacks. If the OL can't pass protect, then they can't run block either,
which means no Utah running game.Your OL was thin to begin with, and
getting thinner.Good luck trying to finish above .500 in the PAC 12
with no offense.As far as BYU's defense is concerned, I'm not a bit
concerned. BYU's defense has shut down a very BYU offense the last couple of
days in practice and BYU is loaded at every defensive position. Our secondary
will handle Utah's receivers, because our linebackers will have Wynn running for
I'm concerned about the O line. I believe Utah has 5 guys injured (Brenner,
Taumoelau, Stevens, Hemuli & Asiata), and two more players who are
ineligible (Palelei & Kemoeatu).But it isn't Utah fans who are
in for a big surprise in 2011... it's the BYU fans who have been posting on U of
U boards recently about how bad the Utes are and how "near perfect"
the Cougars will be. We've seen posts declaring the Y has top 10 WRs, top 5
O-line, the fastest LBs in the country, Heisman candidate at QB and will likely
go undefeated. Does this get old... Hype in August, reality by October?
I love how all of the so called 'BYU fans' aka 'haters' are so worried about the
Utes. I mean there are plenty of reasons to worry. We're playing in the freaking
PAC-12 here. If this was the MTN. West it's a different story. When BYU goes
from being one the best teams we play year in and year out to one the worst
teams it says a lot about our schedule. That said, I am confident that Whit will
figure things out and as the year wears on, we will improve and unlike the
cougs, our season doesn't end on Sept. 17th.Go Utes!
@byronbcaSince you obviously can't read the writing on the wall, let
me try and spell it out for you: no offensive line = no offense. Period. How is
Wince going to stay healthy without protection? And your untested running backs,
they've got a bright future. I'm sure you think your defense is just
that good. In reality, your offense is just that bad. September 17
couldn't come fast enough.
Like Jimmypage said Sept. 17th it all ends for the cougs. Sad really. What are
you playing for once you lose to the Utes?
"What are you playing for once you lose to the Utes?"The
fallacy of your argument is assuming Utah, without an offense, will even come
close to beating the Cougars in September, let alone challenge for the PAC 12
Re cordon:I love how you ask for proof then spend half of your post
making hypotheticals. I can't prove anything about future wins and losses, and
neither can you, that's why they play the games. The closest I can come is point
out that Wynn was 10-0 last season when he threw for 199 yards or more.I didn't round up to 200 because 199 was all he needed to beat byu. As for the Utah running game, their 2nd string RB just ran for 48 yards on 8
carries against a defense that was 12th in the nation against the run last year.
Our running game is just fine.
Assume you beat the Utes. Then what are you playing for??? Looks to me like you
have 12 game preseason with an exhibition game in the Dallas fortworth bowl.
Awesome... I'm sure that's got a lot if cougar fans pumped up. Dallas is pretty
in the winter though. Could be a good time.
And the band played on... on the good ship 'Rosey' as it sank in the shadows of
the everlasting hills in the Great Salt Lake.11 sacks? Holy Moly!0-2 by the 10th and the nail in the coffin on the 17th on ESPN.
I love it when a certain Ute fan on the West Coast calls out a visiting BYU fan
and whines they should spend more time supporting their own team after
previously dropping some real smack on a BYU story. Several of us
'visitors' are enjoying these articles on the Utes. Keep them coming. It's
almost as enjoyable as watching Obama without a teleprompter and seeing him
communicate to an Iowa Tea Party member!Too funny!
Correction, Utah was 8-0 when they threw for more than 199 yards.
I seriously hope our offense can get it together... I want to see us show well
in our new conference!
"Utah was 8-0 when they threw for more than 199 yards."Utah was 0-3 when scoring less than 10 points.Utah was only 2-2
when Wynn attempted 33 or more passes.3-point win, 27-2440-point
loss, 7-4725-point loss, 3-281-point win, 17-16The Utes
are in big trouble if Wynn has to throw 33+ passes in a game against good
As certain as death and taxes is BYU fans spinning their fanciful yarns of woe
for Utah. Seems they have nothing better to do which is utterly sad and
Jealous U | 7:07 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011 Alpine, UT "The fallacy of
your argument is assuming Utah, without an offense, will even come close to
beating the Cougars in September, let alone challenge for the PAC 12
South."You must have missed the game last fall, when an anemic
Utah offense still managed to beat BYU. Some BYU fans are predicting a huge
blowout on Spet. 17th, but it's been many, many years since that has happened.
So in their minds, either this BYU team is top 10 quality, or this Ute team will
be the worst in a decade. The fallacy of your argument is the appeal to
probability. So, I'll make the fallacy of appealing to authority,
Sports Illustrated, who thinks Utah will win the Pac-12 South. Probably, the Utes will be somewhere in between. Probably.
And from the BYU practice: Heaps was 2 of 5 for 28 yardsLark
was 1 of 2 for 36 yardsNelson was 1 of 1 for 18 yards"In
what was by far the most chippy practice of camp, tempers flared at least five
times, and the order of the day for coaches was separating players from each
other."and "It's probably never a good thing
when reporters spend more time after practice with a team's trainer getting a
rundown on all the injuries than they do with the head coach. But that's what
happened Tuesday after BYU's open practice, with more than a dozen guys sitting
out."How about some of you loyal BYU fans dropping by practice
and giving your guys some love. Looks like you are looking the wrong
@pebblesYep, 11 sacks in one practice is definitely a 'fanciful
yarn'. The good ship 'Rosey Bowl' is taking on water. Whatever floats your boat.
Rolf has had a great camp so far at defensive end for the Utes. However, Coach
Whitt hasn't mentioned him once. He had three sacks today and still no love from
the coaches! Tough crowd!
B C | 4:00 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011BYU's offense improved dramatically
during the 2nd half of the season when Heaps was getting starters reps in
practice and a completely new cast of receivers and runnings backs gained some
experience.-------------Not true. If you look at Heaps,
Quezada, Hoffman, Luigi's numbers in the last 6 games you'll find a constant
trend: A) Against four cupcakes they excelled B)
Against TCU and Utah they ALL struggled. C) On the road vs teams
with 4+ wins they struggled to score 17+ points ALL year longGood
try though.Utah's offense has major problems today but if we can get
passed the injuries I think we should be okay as the season progresses.
Swoop | 9:00 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011Utah was only 2-2 when Wynn attempted
33 or more passes.The Utes are in big trouble if Wynn has to throw
33+ passes in a game against good competition. ------------------Homework for you, now go look up Heaps win-lose record and tell us how
he did when passing 30+ times vs teams with 4+ wins?Hint: 0-5 (0-3
without experience, 0-2 with experience)So I am assuming you will
now say that BYU is in big trouble if Heaps has to throw 30+ passes in a game
against any team with 4 or more wins?
You can always tell when there is an article on the Utes. byu fans such as
duckhunter/swoop and spammyg have to get their 2 cents in, even though their
comments are always pretty much the same: They hope Utah loses in their new
conference, and they're hoping byu wins with their weak predominantly lower-tier
WAC schedule.Come on, guys, you'd be better off supporting your team
with no conference affiliation, whose greatest goal is to earn a berth in the
prestigious Armed Forces Bowl. They're going to need all the support they can
get this year.
While I agree that so many sacks is unnerving, I think it is very impressive
that the offense was able to drive so well and score a few times considering
they were facing so much negative yardage. And if Wynn and (perhaps more
importantly) Hays were able to complete so many passes with that kind of
disturbance in the backfield they should do well if the o-line can ever get
healthy and gel. I would also like to apologize for all my fellow
BYU fans who are mouthing off and guaranteeing BYU victory on the 17th. While I
have every hope that we will win and the last half of both teams' seasons last
year indicate that we should perform well it seems that every year that BYU is
better on paper Utah makes a close game of it. Last year was the first time we
were able to return the favor and we have yet to return the beat-downs we
experienced when Utah was the better team. BYU fans-until we put up we must
shut up. Here's looking forward to deciding it on the field.
Uh, I got an idea...let's talk football! Let's talk pass protection. It is not
just about the offensive line (although it starts there). The line personnel in
this scrimmage were a patchwork bunch at best. The QB has to be able to
recognize coverages and hot reads in the West Coast Offense. He should
certainly not take 11 sacks (incredible). He should be getting rid of the ball
to avoid negative plays if there is nothing there. This is especially true if
he's not on the same page with the receivers. It was revealing that Coach Whit
was pretty critical of Wynn's performance. The running backs also have to be
able to pick up blitzes and execute swing pass patterns and such. Utah has a
very young backfield and is probably struggling with these kinds of execution
issues. The other piece of the puzzle is why did they fall apart in the
situational portion of the scrimmage? Situational play is charaterized by the
defense responding to a situation with various alignments and personnel
packages. The offense is often limited in their scheme i.e 3rd and 9 limits
your options. Anyway, don't panic...they just got to practice.
With a new RB corps, new secondary, new PK, QB recovering from surgery, injury
plagued OL, and very little depth in offense, the Utes are honestly going to
struggle. They will look a lot like BYU did last year, but without the cupcake
schedule in the second half of the year. You can wear blue or red glasses and
make your predictions for Sept 17, but if Wynn gets hurt against USC, the Utes
aren't deep enough to keep the ship from sinking.
Just stating the obvious. If the offense is weak shhhooouldn't the defense
dominate? The question then is how dominate is the defense, really?Lots of hype! Can't wait for the season to begin. Playing the games will tell
the true story.Go Cougars! Go Utes!
UteologyYou need to work on that old counting thing.In
BYU's final six games, Heaps was 109/172, 1,340 yards, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints,
152.19 ratingBYU was 5-1 in their final six games, with the lone
loss, on the road, in what should have been a BYU win if Anae hadn't pulled the
plug on Heaps. On BYU's final drive, Heaps is 4-4 for 49 yards,
moving the ball to Utahs 24-yard line with almost 2 minutes remaining. Then Anae
takes the ball out of Jake's hands, running three straight dives up the middle
resulting in a 1-yard loss, then relying on that ill-fated 42-yard FG try to win
the game.If Anae allows Heaps to continue throwing the ball, two
more passes likely gets BYU into the end zone for the BYU win.BYUs
final record 8-5; Utah's final record 9-4.After BYU starting 1-4 and
Utah starting 8-0, the final separation between a true freshman led
freshman/sophomore-dominated team versus an experienced sophomore led
senior-dominated team is one loss.
It's not hard to dominate such a pathetic offense.
sammg, should we be "marking it down" that you are predicting Montana
State to beat Utah?
Oh man this is fun! I can't wait for the season to start! Lotsa fun stuff on
I think most people commenting on this board know by now that Utah's 2 and even
3 deep defensive line is ridiculously good. The 2's and even 3's would be
starting at most other schools.I don't read much into the 11 sacks...don't
get me wrong I wish it wasn't that high, but the banged up O-line will be
healthier within the next week or two and without them Wynn still put up some
okay - not great - numbers, I'm actually somewhat encouraged.Though the
Pac-12 will have some good defensive lines, I honestly think Wynn is playing
against the best or 2nd best one in the conference every day in practice. So the
positive is if they learn to handle their own defense, they could really have
some much better days on game days.Worst case scenario, I think the D
keeps us in most if not all games this year and gives the offense a chance.
Re Uteanymous:And if it wasn't for some home cooking on that fumble
against SD St byu would have wound up 5-7. Ute fans can say that if Wynn was
healthy Utah would have killed byu in that game, but it doesn't change reality,
doesn't change the final score.
@motorbike"I think most people commenting on this board know by
now that Utah's 2 and even 3 deep defensive line is ridiculously good"I absolutely agree with that. The d-line will be the strength of utah's
team. They are loaded there.
byronbca"And if it wasn't for some home cooking on that fumble
against SD St byu would have wound up 5-7."This is an absolute
lie!Even IF SDSU had been awarded the fumble, which had NOTHING to
do with home cooking (the lead replay official made the final determination and
specifically said he did NOT need to see every available replay), the Aztecs
still would have had to move the ball 80 yards to score. It's more likely the
Aztecs would have done another 3-and-out and punted the ball right back to BYU,
than that they would have marched 80 yards against a defense that had been
shutting down SDSU's offense all game. SDSU only had one drive the entire game
that went for more than 60 yards.SDSU's drive summary3 plays,
5 yards, punt1 play, int6 plays, 13 yards, punt3 plays, 1
yard, punt2 plays, 52 yards, TD11 plays, 53 yards, FG miss3
plays, -12 yards, punt8 plays, 83 yards, TD3 plays, 7 yards, punt6 plays, 59 yards, TD3 plays, 0 yards, punt
Uteanymous - Come on now. Anyone watching that game, BYU fan or not
knows without that blown review that SDSU would've had to really blow it to
lose.But the good news for you is it didn't go down like that
anyway, so don't sweat it when someone brings it up. The same way I don't sweat
it when Cougar fans bring up the possible could-have-been fumble in last years
BYU/Utah game.The officials being human is just part of the game.
Those things tend to get spread around equally eventually. It's the teams
responsibility to not make those close calls matter in the end. If they affect
the outcome it's their own fault for not closing the door!
Riddles in the Dark,That 137 QB rating is higher than any of Heaps
QB ratings from last year I believe, except for against UTEP, a pathetic .500
team in the bowl game, who lost I think 6 games in a row, or 6 of their last 7.
Also, Wynn going against the UTE defense is tougher than playing anyones D,
except for maybe USC and AZ. I am sure that Whit and Chow will have everything
ready to go by Sept 1st.
I'm thinking we might be more like the Ravens when they won the SB. The defense
will keep us in games even scoring until the O can get it going just enough to
win. This might be the best defensive line in the league and maybe
the country. The 1st 3 games of the year will set the tone for the
rest of the year.Go Utes!!
USC 48 Utesies 0BYU 35 Utesies 0Ring in the PAC-12 Rose bowl
year yeah!!! BCS National champs!!!
That was nice they brought in a defense to scrimmage against. Should get the
offense comfortable with being dominated all year long. Did they bring in an
offense to let the defense get a taste of defeat to get them prepared as well?
How many point is the defence going to have to score for you to win? How long can your defence last if they have to be on the field the whole
game.Defence win championships............only if you actually have
a offence.Be proud of your new league which boasts 8 teams with
records of 7-6 or worse including 5 teams of 5-7 or worse. Your own division is
worse than the good teams im the old mwc and you are picked 3 in div and 5-6
overall before the injury bug hit. By oct you just might be fighting to get any
jarka-rus | 11:18 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011 "USC 48 Utesies 0
BYU 35 Utesies 0"Super informative and intellectually thought
out comment. Makes me think to myself, 'That jarka-rus guy/gal really knows what
he/she is talking about, I should make a point of considering the credibility of
all his/her comments.'
@WestCoastWhinerYour comment about BYU fans posting on Ute stories +
your posting on BYU stories = hypocrisy@MipI'm sure
Montana State is coming with their 'A' game. Utes will be struggling to put an
offense on the field at this rate.Tell me who has more to lose in
this season opener. If the Utes lose this one, it will be far worse than those
humiliating losses of last year against TCU, ND, and BSU and exponentially
beyond BYUs loss to USU last year.Utes have nothing to really gain
from this game but everything to lose.It could go either way and you
sammyg***Utes have nothing to really gain from this game but
everything to lose.***I actually disagree with you. The Utes have a
game to get their feet under them and get some good experience before playing
USC. ***Utes will be struggling to put an offense on the field at
this rate.***Not really, the team has most of their lines figured
out who are the starters and who are the 2nd and 3rd string players waiting to
come into the game. I hardly consider a backup QB who went 9 of 10 in scrimmage
and the 2nd string running back who averaged 6 yards/carry struggling to put an
offense on the field.