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  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 18, 2011 12:50 a.m.

    sammyg

    ***Utes have nothing to really gain from this game but everything to lose.***

    I actually disagree with you. The Utes have a game to get their feet under them and get some good experience before playing USC.

    ***Utes will be struggling to put an offense on the field at this rate.***

    Not really, the team has most of their lines figured out who are the starters and who are the 2nd and 3rd string players waiting to come into the game. I hardly consider a backup QB who went 9 of 10 in scrimmage and the 2nd string running back who averaged 6 yards/carry struggling to put an offense on the field.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    @WestCoastWhiner

    Your comment about BYU fans posting on Ute stories + your posting on BYU stories = hypocrisy

    @Mip

    I'm sure Montana State is coming with their 'A' game. Utes will be struggling to put an offense on the field at this rate.

    Tell me who has more to lose in this season opener. If the Utes lose this one, it will be far worse than those humiliating losses of last year against TCU, ND, and BSU and exponentially beyond BYUs loss to USU last year.

    Utes have nothing to really gain from this game but everything to lose.

    It could go either way and you know it.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    jarka-rus | 11:18 a.m. Aug. 17, 2011

    "USC 48 Utesies 0
    BYU 35 Utesies 0"

    Super informative and intellectually thought out comment. Makes me think to myself, 'That jarka-rus guy/gal really knows what he/she is talking about, I should make a point of considering the credibility of all his/her comments.'

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    How many point is the defence going to have to score for you to win?

    How long can your defence last if they have to be on the field the whole game.

    Defence win championships............only if you actually have a offence.

    Be proud of your new league which boasts 8 teams with records of 7-6 or worse including 5 teams of 5-7 or worse. Your own division is worse than the good teams im the old mwc and you are picked 3 in div and 5-6 overall before the injury bug hit. By oct you just might be fighting to get any bowl game.

  • itsajelly Walla Walla, WA
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    That was nice they brought in a defense to scrimmage against. Should get the offense comfortable with being dominated all year long. Did they bring in an offense to let the defense get a taste of defeat to get them prepared as well?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    USC 48 Utesies 0
    BYU 35 Utesies 0

    Ring in the PAC-12 Rose bowl year yeah!!! BCS National champs!!!

  • footballfan6262 SANDY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    I'm thinking we might be more like the Ravens when they won the SB. The defense will keep us in games even scoring until the O can get it going just enough to win.

    This might be the best defensive line in the league and maybe the country.

    The 1st 3 games of the year will set the tone for the rest of the year.

    Go Utes!!

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark,

    That 137 QB rating is higher than any of Heaps QB ratings from last year I believe, except for against UTEP, a pathetic .500 team in the bowl game, who lost I think 6 games in a row, or 6 of their last 7. Also, Wynn going against the UTE defense is tougher than playing anyones D, except for maybe USC and AZ. I am sure that Whit and Chow will have everything ready to go by Sept 1st.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Uteanymous -

    Come on now. Anyone watching that game, BYU fan or not knows without that blown review that SDSU would've had to really blow it to lose.

    But the good news for you is it didn't go down like that anyway, so don't sweat it when someone brings it up. The same way I don't sweat it when Cougar fans bring up the possible could-have-been fumble in last years BYU/Utah game.

    The officials being human is just part of the game. Those things tend to get spread around equally eventually. It's the teams responsibility to not make those close calls matter in the end. If they affect the outcome it's their own fault for not closing the door!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    byronbca

    "And if it wasn't for some home cooking on that fumble against SD St byu would have wound up 5-7."

    This is an absolute lie!

    Even IF SDSU had been awarded the fumble, which had NOTHING to do with home cooking (the lead replay official made the final determination and specifically said he did NOT need to see every available replay), the Aztecs still would have had to move the ball 80 yards to score. It's more likely the Aztecs would have done another 3-and-out and punted the ball right back to BYU, than that they would have marched 80 yards against a defense that had been shutting down SDSU's offense all game. SDSU only had one drive the entire game that went for more than 60 yards.

    SDSU's drive summary
    3 plays, 5 yards, punt
    1 play, int
    6 plays, 13 yards, punt
    3 plays, 1 yard, punt
    2 plays, 52 yards, TD
    11 plays, 53 yards, FG miss
    3 plays, -12 yards, punt
    8 plays, 83 yards, TD
    3 plays, 7 yards, punt
    6 plays, 59 yards, TD
    3 plays, 0 yards, punt

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    byronbca

    "And if it wasn't for some home cooking on that fumble against SD St byu would have wound up 5-7."

    This is an absolute lie!

    Even IF SDSU had been awarded the fumble, which had NOTHING to do with home cooking (the lead replay official made the final determination and specifically said he did NOT need to see every available replay), the Aztecs still would have had to move the ball 80 yards to score. It's more likely the Aztecs would have done another 3-and-out and punted the ball right back to BYU, than that they would have marched 80 yards against a defense that had been shutting down SDSU's offense all game. SDSU only had one drive the entire game that went for more than 60 yards.

    SDSU's drive summary
    3 plays, 5 yards, punt
    1 play, int
    6 plays, 13 yards, punt
    3 plays, 1 yard, punt
    2 plays, 52 yards, TD
    11 plays, 53 yards, FG miss
    3 plays, -12 yards, punt
    8 plays, 83 yards, TD
    3 plays, 7 yards, punt
    6 plays, 59 yards, TD
    3 plays, 0 yards, punt

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    @motorbike

    "I think most people commenting on this board know by now that Utah's 2 and even 3 deep defensive line is ridiculously good"

    I absolutely agree with that. The d-line will be the strength of utah's team. They are loaded there.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    Re Uteanymous:

    And if it wasn't for some home cooking on that fumble against SD St byu would have wound up 5-7. Ute fans can say that if Wynn was healthy Utah would have killed byu in that game, but it doesn't change reality, doesn't change the final score.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    I think most people commenting on this board know by now that Utah's 2 and even 3 deep defensive line is ridiculously good. The 2's and even 3's would be starting at most other schools.
    I don't read much into the 11 sacks...don't get me wrong I wish it wasn't that high, but the banged up O-line will be healthier within the next week or two and without them Wynn still put up some okay - not great - numbers, I'm actually somewhat encouraged.
    Though the Pac-12 will have some good defensive lines, I honestly think Wynn is playing against the best or 2nd best one in the conference every day in practice. So the positive is if they learn to handle their own defense, they could really have some much better days on game days.
    Worst case scenario, I think the D keeps us in most if not all games this year and gives the offense a chance.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Oh man this is fun! I can't wait for the season to start! Lotsa fun stuff on this article.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    sammg, should we be "marking it down" that you are predicting Montana State to beat Utah?

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    It's not hard to dominate such a pathetic offense.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Uteology

    You need to work on that old counting thing.

    In BYU's final six games, Heaps was 109/172, 1,340 yards, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 152.19 rating

    BYU was 5-1 in their final six games, with the lone loss, on the road, in what should have been a BYU win if Anae hadn't pulled the plug on Heaps.

    On BYU's final drive, Heaps is 4-4 for 49 yards, moving the ball to Utahs 24-yard line with almost 2 minutes remaining. Then Anae takes the ball out of Jake's hands, running three straight dives up the middle resulting in a 1-yard loss, then relying on that ill-fated 42-yard FG try to win the game.

    If Anae allows Heaps to continue throwing the ball, two more passes likely gets BYU into the end zone for the BYU win.

    BYUs final record 8-5; Utah's final record 9-4.

    After BYU starting 1-4 and Utah starting 8-0, the final separation between a true freshman led freshman/sophomore-dominated team versus an experienced sophomore led senior-dominated team is one loss.

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Just stating the obvious. If the offense is weak shhhooouldn't the defense dominate? The question then is how dominate is the defense, really?

    Lots of hype! Can't wait for the season to begin. Playing the games will tell the true story.

    Go Cougars! Go Utes!

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    With a new RB corps, new secondary, new PK, QB recovering from surgery, injury plagued OL, and very little depth in offense, the Utes are honestly going to struggle. They will look a lot like BYU did last year, but without the cupcake schedule in the second half of the year. You can wear blue or red glasses and make your predictions for Sept 17, but if Wynn gets hurt against USC, the Utes aren't deep enough to keep the ship from sinking.

  • jefferysl Huntsville, Alabama
    Aug. 17, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Uh, I got an idea...let's talk football! Let's talk pass protection. It is not just about the offensive line (although it starts there). The line personnel in this scrimmage were a patchwork bunch at best. The QB has to be able to recognize coverages and hot reads in the West Coast Offense. He should certainly not take 11 sacks (incredible). He should be getting rid of the ball to avoid negative plays if there is nothing there. This is especially true if he's not on the same page with the receivers. It was revealing that Coach Whit was pretty critical of Wynn's performance. The running backs also have to be able to pick up blitzes and execute swing pass patterns and such. Utah has a very young backfield and is probably struggling with these kinds of execution issues. The other piece of the puzzle is why did they fall apart in the situational portion of the scrimmage? Situational play is charaterized by the defense responding to a situation with various alignments and personnel packages. The offense is often limited in their scheme i.e 3rd and 9 limits your options. Anyway, don't panic...they just got to practice.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    While I agree that so many sacks is unnerving, I think it is very impressive that the offense was able to drive so well and score a few times considering they were facing so much negative yardage. And if Wynn and (perhaps more importantly) Hays were able to complete so many passes with that kind of disturbance in the backfield they should do well if the o-line can ever get healthy and gel.

    I would also like to apologize for all my fellow BYU fans who are mouthing off and guaranteeing BYU victory on the 17th. While I have every hope that we will win and the last half of both teams' seasons last year indicate that we should perform well it seems that every year that BYU is better on paper Utah makes a close game of it. Last year was the first time we were able to return the favor and we have yet to return the beat-downs we experienced when Utah was the better team. BYU fans-until we put up we must shut up.

    Here's looking forward to deciding it on the field.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    You can always tell when there is an article on the Utes. byu fans such as duckhunter/swoop and spammyg have to get their 2 cents in, even though their comments are always pretty much the same: They hope Utah loses in their new conference, and they're hoping byu wins with their weak predominantly lower-tier WAC schedule.

    Come on, guys, you'd be better off supporting your team with no conference affiliation, whose greatest goal is to earn a berth in the prestigious Armed Forces Bowl. They're going to need all the support they can get this year.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    Swoop | 9:00 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    Utah was only 2-2 when Wynn attempted 33 or more passes.

    The Utes are in big trouble if Wynn has to throw 33+ passes in a game against good competition.

    ------------------

    Homework for you, now go look up Heaps win-lose record and tell us how he did when passing 30+ times vs teams with 4+ wins?

    Hint: 0-5 (0-3 without experience, 0-2 with experience)

    So I am assuming you will now say that BYU is in big trouble if Heaps has to throw 30+ passes in a game against any team with 4 or more wins?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 17, 2011 5:36 a.m.

    B C | 4:00 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011

    BYU's offense improved dramatically during the 2nd half of the season when Heaps was getting starters reps in practice and a completely new cast of receivers and runnings backs gained some experience.

    -------------

    Not true. If you look at Heaps, Quezada, Hoffman, Luigi's numbers in the last 6 games you'll find a constant trend:

    A) Against four cupcakes they excelled

    B) Against TCU and Utah they ALL struggled.

    C) On the road vs teams with 4+ wins they struggled to score 17+ points ALL year long

    Good try though.

    Utah's offense has major problems today but if we can get passed the injuries I think we should be okay as the season progresses.

  • PACUte American Fork, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    Rolf has had a great camp so far at defensive end for the Utes. However, Coach Whitt hasn't mentioned him once. He had three sacks today and still no love from the coaches! Tough crowd!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    @pebbles

    Yep, 11 sacks in one practice is definitely a 'fanciful yarn'.

    The good ship 'Rosey Bowl' is taking on water.

    Whatever floats your boat.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    And from the BYU practice:

    Heaps was 2 of 5 for 28 yards
    Lark was 1 of 2 for 36 yards
    Nelson was 1 of 1 for 18 yards

    "In what was by far the most chippy practice of camp, tempers flared at least five times, and the order of the day for coaches was separating players from each other."

    and

    "It's probably never a good thing when reporters spend more time after practice with a team's trainer getting a rundown on all the injuries than they do with the head coach. But that's what happened Tuesday after BYU's open practice, with more than a dozen guys sitting out."

    How about some of you loyal BYU fans dropping by practice and giving your guys some love. Looks like you are looking the wrong direction...again.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 16, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    Jealous U | 7:07 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011
    Alpine, UT
    "The fallacy of your argument is assuming Utah, without an offense, will even come close to beating the Cougars in September, let alone challenge for the PAC 12 South."

    You must have missed the game last fall, when an anemic Utah offense still managed to beat BYU. Some BYU fans are predicting a huge blowout on Spet. 17th, but it's been many, many years since that has happened. So in their minds, either this BYU team is top 10 quality, or this Ute team will be the worst in a decade. The fallacy of your argument is the appeal to probability.

    So, I'll make the fallacy of appealing to authority, Sports Illustrated, who thinks Utah will win the Pac-12 South.

    Probably, the Utes will be somewhere in between. Probably.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    As certain as death and taxes is BYU fans spinning their fanciful yarns of woe for Utah. Seems they have nothing better to do which is utterly sad and pathetic.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    "Utah was 8-0 when they threw for more than 199 yards."

    Utah was 0-3 when scoring less than 10 points.

    Utah was only 2-2 when Wynn attempted 33 or more passes.
    3-point win, 27-24
    40-point loss, 7-47
    25-point loss, 3-28
    1-point win, 17-16

    The Utes are in big trouble if Wynn has to throw 33+ passes in a game against good competition.

  • scott182 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    I seriously hope our offense can get it together... I want to see us show well in our new conference!

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    Correction, Utah was 8-0 when they threw for more than 199 yards.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    I love it when a certain Ute fan on the West Coast calls out a visiting BYU fan and whines they should spend more time supporting their own team after previously dropping some real smack on a BYU story.

    Several of us 'visitors' are enjoying these articles on the Utes. Keep them coming. It's almost as enjoyable as watching Obama without a teleprompter and seeing him communicate to an Iowa Tea Party member!

    Too funny!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    And the band played on... on the good ship 'Rosey' as it sank in the shadows of the everlasting hills in the Great Salt Lake.

    11 sacks? Holy Moly!

    0-2 by the 10th and the nail in the coffin on the 17th on ESPN.

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    Assume you beat the Utes. Then what are you playing for??? Looks to me like you have 12 game preseason with an exhibition game in the Dallas fortworth bowl. Awesome... I'm sure that's got a lot if cougar fans pumped up. Dallas is pretty in the winter though. Could be a good time.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Re cordon:

    I love how you ask for proof then spend half of your post making hypotheticals. I can't prove anything about future wins and losses, and neither can you, that's why they play the games. The closest I can come is point out that Wynn was 10-0 last season when he threw for 199 yards or more.

    I didn't round up to 200 because 199 was all he needed to beat byu.

    As for the Utah running game, their 2nd string RB just ran for 48 yards on 8 carries against a defense that was 12th in the nation against the run last year. Our running game is just fine.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    "What are you playing for once you lose to the Utes?"

    The fallacy of your argument is assuming Utah, without an offense, will even come close to beating the Cougars in September, let alone challenge for the PAC 12 South.

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Like Jimmypage said Sept. 17th it all ends for the cougs. Sad really. What are you playing for once you lose to the Utes?

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    @byronbca

    Since you obviously can't read the writing on the wall, let me try and spell it out for you: no offensive line = no offense. Period. How is Wince going to stay healthy without protection? And your untested running backs, they've got a bright future.

    I'm sure you think your defense is just that good. In reality, your offense is just that bad.

    September 17 couldn't come fast enough.

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    I love how all of the so called 'BYU fans' aka 'haters' are so worried about the Utes. I mean there are plenty of reasons to worry. We're playing in the freaking PAC-12 here. If this was the MTN. West it's a different story. When BYU goes from being one the best teams we play year in and year out to one the worst teams it says a lot about our schedule. That said, I am confident that Whit will figure things out and as the year wears on, we will improve and unlike the cougs, our season doesn't end on Sept. 17th.

    Go Utes!

  • Max Gomes Corona, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    I'm concerned about the O line. I believe Utah has 5 guys injured (Brenner, Taumoelau, Stevens, Hemuli & Asiata), and two more players who are ineligible (Palelei & Kemoeatu).

    But it isn't Utah fans who are in for a big surprise in 2011... it's the BYU fans who have been posting on U of U boards recently about how bad the Utes are and how "near perfect" the Cougars will be. We've seen posts declaring the Y has top 10 WRs, top 5 O-line, the fastest LBs in the country, Heisman candidate at QB and will likely go undefeated. Does this get old... Hype in August, reality by October?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    byronbca

    "Utah will win every single game where Wynn goes 18 of 33, 272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int. The Utah offense just needs to continue eliminating the mistakes and they'll be just fine."

    Do you have any proof that Utah will win even a single game this year with Wynn having 132 rating or lower?

    The most telling stat from today's scrimmage was the OL giving up 11 sacks. If the OL can't pass protect, then they can't run block either, which means no Utah running game.

    Your OL was thin to begin with, and getting thinner.

    Good luck trying to finish above .500 in the PAC 12 with no offense.

    As far as BYU's defense is concerned, I'm not a bit concerned. BYU's defense has shut down a very BYU offense the last couple of days in practice and BYU is loaded at every defensive position. Our secondary will handle Utah's receivers, because our linebackers will have Wynn running for his life.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Re riddles:

    Utah will win every single game where Wynn goes 18 of 33, 272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int. The Utah offense just needs to continue eliminating the mistakes and they'll be just fine.

    Re other byu fans:

    Shouldn't you be concerned that every single byu QB is looking like a Heisman Trophy finalist when they go up against your defense? Our OL will get healthy and our offense will get better, but your secondary isn't getting any faster.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    This may be a long season. Welcome to the pac-10.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    @motorbike

    "Do you want to keep going? I suggest a different battle."

    Sure. Let's talk about utah's offense some more. Tell us why they are going to be good, I'd like to hear your rationalizations.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Duckhunter -

    I see you're at your same ol' routine. You should be a politician. Lots of scare tactics based on your personal agenda...that of hoping so badly Utah has a tough year.

    You're not quite smooth enough though, no one's buying what you sell everyday and you just keep hoping everyone's lying to you when we say we're not worried.

    But I'll say it again... n o t w o r r i e d.
    The game can't come soon enough.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Pipes -

    "Montana State? Nice test for your team. I wouldn't make fun of other teams schedules when my first game is against Montana State."

    Careful bro, too easy for us to win that battle. For starters Montana State is Utah's weakest opponent but is ranked 7th (FCS) in the nation. Idaho State - a BYU opponent - is predicted last in that same conference.

    Do you want to keep going? I suggest a different battle.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    @westcoast1

    None of us has to "hope and pray" that utah will fail. They are going to be very mediocre this year and terrible on offense regardless of anything we do. The truth is that it is reaching near panic mode on the hill as far as the offense is concerned.

    utah will be lucky to reach .500 this year, frankly I'm downgrading them to 4 or 5 wins. You have to be able to score some points to win and I wouldn't be surprised if they are shut out multiple times this year. Last year they put up huge point totals of 7-3-3 against decent teams and frankly the 7 they put up against TCU wasn't even legit as replay's showed it was not a td but TCU was killing them and didn't care to challenge it.

    And that was when utah had an experienced line and rb's.

    I'll give you credit for putting on your brave face but I know you are pretty much in full scale panic.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Montana State? Nice test for your team. I wouldn't make fun of other teams schedules when my first game is against Montana State.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    WestCoast1

    BYU's offense improved dramatically during the 2nd half of the season when Heaps was getting starters reps in practice and a completely new cast of receivers and runnings backs gained some experience.

    The big difference, BYU had a solid OL and a healthy starting QB.

    Utah's offense virtually disappeared the 2nd half of last season, and now they're trying to install a brand new offense, with an entirely new set of skill position players and an injured QB.

    The results in two scrimmages speak for themselves.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Chow's offense is starting to feel eerily like Boylen's offense.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    PAC man,

    You posted "You have no proof that BYU's defense is going to be weak or that BYU's offense is over-hyped." Judging from last year (Florida State, TCU, Air Force,Utah, Nevada, and Utah State) and an overall record of 6-6, you guys are in big trouble.

    Rather than hoping and praying that the Utes will fail, you should spend more time supporting your own team and its challenges against a very mediocre schedule.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Truth is, nobody has any idea how Utah or BYU will perform. It is all conjecture and chest pounding. You can't tell how people will perform by playing against themselves.

    I am excited for September.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    WestCoast1

    You have no proof that BYU's defense is going to be weak or that BYU's offense is over-hyped.

    But, you have plenty of evidence that Utah's offense is in BIG trouble.

    New offense, decimated OL, a wounded QB that still isn't completely healed, and new receivers and running backs that have never played a down of major college football.

    It all adds up to a train wreck in the making, with NOTHING to suggest that Utah's offense can be fixed before the season starts.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    11 sacks is concerning but I don't think either of the starting guards played today, in fact I believe even their backups are still hurt so it's likely that both guards who were playing with the first team were actually 3rd stringers.

    Bergstrom didn't give up a sack all season last year and Cullen was solid, if the o line can get healthy and get decent guard play then the o line should be adequate.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    byronbca

    "If we can learn anything from previous camps it's that by the time the first game arrives Utah's offense will have caught up."

    Sorry, but if we've learned anything from previous camps it's that it takes lots and lots of practice to fine tune an offense. How are you going to do that with your starting QB standing on the sidelines most of the time?

    Wynn is now a combined 18 of 33, 272 yds, 2 TDs, 1 int, and a bunch of sacks and fumbles, in Utah's two scrimmages.

    That works out to a 137.72 rating.

    Utah fans are delusional if they think Kyle is going to wave a magic wand and Utah's offense is suddenly going to start firing on all cylinders after spending all spring and fall camps misfiring.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    Reality is 2 weeks away. Montana State is predicting a win.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    BaneOfHedgehog and mussingaround,

    You byu trolls have enough to worry about with your own weak defense, over-hyped offense, and weak, boring schedule that includes a 5-7 Texas team, a lower-tier SEC team, and 6 games against the bottom of the WAC. But if you go over .500, we will all be hearing how you deserve to be playing in the national championship.

    Such is life in Utah.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    I've officially hit the panic button with the offense. Our O-line does not inspire confidence. I know the D is usually ahead at this point, but the coaches also like to put them in a few situations where they get beat by the offense to keep them motivated.

    Let's find something positive. Um... Jordan didn't drop any snaps.

    Come on guys; the line has to step up. Let's hope that the injuries heal quickly and the line is okay. Hopefully the additional reps for the 2's will help them close the gap.
    The good news is that it sounds like the secondary will be fine.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    byronbca:

    The Defense is always ahead of the Offensive in the Spring, and at the start of Summer camp, but by now, things should be evening out. Eleven sacks does not reflect that expectation. This is likely why Whittingham is not happy with the OL's progress. Plus, if our OL can't stay healthy, how will it keep Wynn healthy. Our Offense isn't looking too good right now. We'll be fine vs. Montana St, but we're going to get poned at USC if we don't right that ship. Right now, I'm not sure our lineman could hold back a sneeze, much less our Defensive Line. Let's hope we get it together.

    GO UTES!!!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 16, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Attention Utah Fans:

    "The defense dominated the Utah football team's second scrimmage of fall camp Tuesday as quarterbacks Jordan Wynn and Jon Hays were running for their lives... The defense came up with 11 sacks as Wynn finished with minus-45 yards on the ground and Hays minus-37 yards. The lack of offensive line protection didn't make coach Kyle Whittingham too happy... Whittingham called the performance of quarterback Jordan Wynn "pretty average" as he completed 9-of-16 passes for 120 yards with one touchdown and one interception."

    Get used to the above, because this will be Utah's theme for 2011.

  • drivebyute SLC, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    I am worried. 11 sacks in a srimmage is not just bad execution and chemistry going on, on the offensive line. It looks like it could be a sign of some very weak links (athletically) on the line. let's hope not. I'm sure some of the Pac12 defenses have similar athletics, strenghth, and size on thier defensive lines.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    I can't remember a Utah fall camp where the Ute defense wasn't way ahead of the offense at this point in camp. In 2008, the defense was killing the offense all throughout camp and look how that turned out.

    If we can learn anything from previous camps it's that by the time the first game arrives Utah's offense will have caught up.

    The Utes are installing a new offense with a banged up QB and offensive line, if the defense wasn't dominating the offense right now I'd really be worried.

  • N.C.Y. Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 16, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    11 sacks?!

  • WoahTurbo Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    BB and MM are going to team up with CW and DK to lick some chops and gnash some teeth over KMG and ER stepping it up at safety. Who knows, maybe even JW4 and TP will go all TV on the RB sitch. sweet!

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Defense on the Hill will be scary good this year i think. we will see what the offense is made out of when we get into games.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Utah defense against BYU offense ought to be a good battle. BYU has a very good OL this year and Utah always has a good DL. I think the difference will be BYU's defense being too much fot the U's offense.
    With each team playing two games before 9-17, both teams should be sharp and ready. It should be a great game.
    Can't wait.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Things are slow in Provo when the first to comment seeming wears blue.

    If the offense had dominated, there still would have been wailing and gnashing of teeth by some.

    No, Coach Whit is not happy....but one can never have too much defense. Fall camp is alway like this, one time one side is up the next time the other side is up...all that matters is wins once the season begins. Lots of offensive firepower and a very experienced OC, the kinks will be smoothed out and the offense will be just fine.

  • TheFitz Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Not a good report coming out of Utah Camp... Lets hope this OL situation gets better as the season approches because this is not a good sign of things to come.
    On the other hand, I am confident that Utah's D will keep them in a lot of games this year, which is a great thing especially if their offense continues to be average (at best).

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    :-) - and KVN and JP are just licking their chops. Muuuhwahahaha