Thanks for the compliment on the D-Line. But with Bergstrom, Reynolds and the
LB's, beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. Bergstrom has been noticed
by plenty of scouts and is also an Outland candidate, and I've seen plenty of
future potential draft grades and ratings at every position, and never seen
Reynolds listed as a top quality guy. Like I said, there's no way to quantify a
comparison beyond that. I can only bring up names like Kemoeatu, Gross and
Beadles plus Schlauderaff was just drafted this year. The program does a pretty
good job with their O-linemen. And for linebackers, tangible attributes like
height and 40 times have very little to do with on-field performance. It's all
about the passion and mentality and you don't play linebacker at the U without
it. "Blechen has never played a down of LB." Outside backer is
actually his natural position. That's where he played and destroyed QBs, RBs and
WRs in high school, and he played a great deal of last season inside the box,
basically a linebacker, just being called a safety.
@stgtoslc"the remark about the LB's and your tired use of
quotation marks speaks volumes more about your rationality than I could ever
say"Please expound on that? Walker is a good LB but
not an NFL quality guy. Several of BYU's are being called possible NFL players.
Blechen has never played a down of LB. He might turn out to be good but he
hasn't done anything yet. They'll probably be a good crew but nothing special.
Frankly BYU's appear to be larger, faster, more talented, and
deeper. Now if you want to talk about utah's d-line, well they
appear to be fantastic, that can't be denied. I'm of the opinion that their
d-line will be dominating and is loaded with NFL talent. Congratulations on
that, it will probably even make the LB's appear better than they are.
@classless" Vakapuna had 19 carries last year with 2 TD's and
averaged 4.2 yards/carry against D1/FCS opponents. And here I thought that you
were Utah football experts."And that somehow makes him better
than a guy with 3 years experience that had over 900 yds rushing and 1400 total
yards last year? I might also point out vakapuna is a walk on who quit the team
several months ago and just returned. So utah's 2nd best rb is a walkon, who was
out of football 6 months ago, and has 19 total carries in his career and you
somehow think that means he would start at BYU who has 3 experienced rb's, 2 of
which are seniors?@stgtoslc"I know Reynolds is a
good player, but I personally believe Bergstrom is better"Well
maybe you better inform the people that actually matter, like the NFL, the All
American voters and the Outland voters because I'm pretty sure none of them
agree with your assessment. I mean its great that some biased "fan"
thinks his guy is better but it is just a little bit more convincing when the
actual NFL scouts see it the other way.
Rational, Duckhunter,***As far as the rb's are concerned, well not
one rb at utah has a sinlge D1 carry******Classless Ute Fan list
others and says "they'd be all-conference" for BYU, when BYU isn't IN
a conference... and Utah doesn't have a single back with a single FCS
carry.******Talk about ignorance...***Apparently, you
didn't think my all-conference joke was very funny but hardly due to ignorance.
However, it seems you are both (as well as most byu fans) ignorant to the fact
that Vakapuna had 19 carries last year with 2 TD's and averaged 4.2 yards/carry
against D1/FCS opponents. And here I thought that you were Utah football
Rational, my bad, I did not originally see the "offensive player"
part. However, "StGtoSLC lists a bunch of defensive players" Chaz
Walker and Brian Blechen are hardly A BUNCH of defensive players, although they
would account for a bunch more tackles than any of BYU's linebackers. Duck, it's
impossible to quantify one o-lineman's ability over another, and I know Reynolds
is a good player, but I personally believe Bergstrom is better, and I don't see
Reynolds being a 1st rounder. However, the remark about the LB's and your tired
use of quotation marks speaks volumes more about your rationality than I could
ever say, so thank you.
@uteologyWell I'll give you credit for your stubborness but it won't
get you any wins.LOL!
Duckhunter | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 16, 2011Yo uwould trade utah's offense
straight across for BYU's without a second of hesitation of given the chance. If
you claim otherwise you are lying. ========Nope, not
even playing fantasy football and I have given several reasons why in the
previous post.This preseason hype is nothing new, after all
preseason is BYU's time of year but by postseason reality has already set in.
Remember the so called depth at the QB position last year that you
used a 2 QB system, how that work out?Also remember when your so
called "big and fast" receiving corps last year were labeled "top
10 in the nation" by an ex-player? That talent needed a RB to save them;
Luigi led the team in receptions and receiving yards.
@uteologyYo uwould trade utah's offense straight across for BYU's
without a second of hesitation of given the chance. If you claim otherwise you
are lying. The same would never happen the other direction. No one would trade
any of BYU's offensive starters for any of utah's. Utah's offense is going to be
extremely pathetic this year. Mark it down, file it away, rack it, chalk it up,
whatever cliche you want to use. And yes utah "fans" like yourself are
absolutely scared to death about it. The only person more scared anout it than
utah "fans" is Kyle Whittingham and you can see it, and hear it, in
every interview.In today's practice, 80 plys, utah's qb's were
sacked 12 times and picked off once. There were 24 tackles for loss including
the sacks. That is more than 25 precent of the offensive plays that went for
NEGATIVE yardage.Now I will grant you that I think utah's defense
will be good this year but those are pathetic offensive results regardless of
the defense they are going against.It will be a very loooooooooong
year for utah "fans" like yourself.
Come September 17th one of two sets of fans will have nothing to say, and its
going to be the Utes, when they lose 45 to 3.
@DuckhunterYou do talk a lot about BYU players that haven't really
done much. Heaps and Co have proved that...A) They can beat-up on
cupcakes (5 wins)B) 2 wins vs above .500 teams1. Needed
Locker to bounce a ball of the helmet of one of your defenders2. With 45
minutes of possession at home you needed an alum in the replay booth to secure a
win C) Not a single win on the road vs above .500 team. Hardly impressive. What's more is the NFL wasn't impressed with the talent
last year.Fact is Juice and Heaps both struggled against good
defenses and tore apart bad ones, see game states for details."Apo and Jacobsen are better than anybody in Utah's receiving
corps."True and here's the numbers from last year to prove
it:McKay 37 REC, 410 YDS, 11.1 AVG, 1 TDDeVonte 39 REC, 610
YDS, 16.9 AVG, 6 TDSOh wait that just proves you don't know how to
phoenix | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 16, 2011NO, we didn't mean one particular
facet of passing defense, we meant overall passing defense, the complete package
without any slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line that makes Utes
look half decent...-----------How was your "rushing
defense". Now please post those stats for Utah and BYU. I am willing to
bet you won't since those won't make BYU look half decent.FYI a
defense that got pummeled in 5 of its 6 losses is NOT a good defense. In my
opinion a good defense doesn't get humbled by teams like #114 Utah State.
@motorbike".this stuff about pretending anyone knows who is
better than who is as lame as it gets"Uh...we know. It will be
proven beyond all doubt in a few weeks. I'll be honest, how anyone can even look
at what each school has offensively and even try to make a case that utah's is
even anywhere near the quality of BYU's is the delusional one.If you
want to talk defense then you can make a case, although BYU's was better last
year and probably will be this year, but offensively there is no case that can
be made for utah's.This will be a tough year for utah.
@ClassyUteHey I have no problem with any of what you wrote, it's an
opinion. But you were at least realistic and rational about it. Good
luck and I hope they turn out.
My opinion: I'd take Bergstrom and Christopher, possibly Matthews, but not over
Hoffman. That's about it. Until the rest prove to be superior after this season,
especially after our head-to-head this year, I'd have to give the nod to BYU for
offensive superiority in the other positions. Heaps' footwork, reads, release,
arm strength looks better than Wynn's. They both are smart QBs. None of your RBs
can touch Di Luigi or Quezada; and, Moeai is inferior to our 1st and 2nd string
TEs (Holt and Mahina). Carry on. Can't wait til the real season. Go
Thanks for the comedy guys/gals. Man I can't wait 'til the game...this stuff
about pretending anyone knows who is better than who is as lame as it gets.
Phoenix -"we didn't mean one particular facet of passing
defense, we meant overall passing defense, the complete package without any
slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line that makes the Utes look
half decent"That is a hilarious comment. In the very same
sentence where you critique someone for slicing and dicing the facts to their
liking you conveniently talk only of pass defense and leave out run defense?
LOLGo ahead now, give us the stats for last years run defense. Or
did you want to stick with your slicing and dicing to find a particular stat
line that makes BYU look half decent.Too easy. You can do better.
DuckI think you're overestimating BYU's skill positions a little bit. I
will agree with you that their O-line is phenomenal. That's probably a big part
of why Diluigi was so successful last season. While Utah's backs are still
unproven, you shouldn't be so quick to judge them because BYU was in the same
situation last year. Because nobody really knows how good they are, BYU probably
has an edge here. Utah's receivers are, and have been excellent for
the last 10 years or so. Mckay Jacobson and Cody Hoffman are good, but they're
no Austin Collie or Eric Drage. To say they are bigger faster and better than
Christopher and Luke Matthews is a stretch. Kendrick Moeai would
fit in well in BYU's system. He would challenge for a starting spot, and Jordan
Wynn will probably find success in the new system if he can recover from his
injury. It wouldnt surprise me if he had a breakout year and was on the same
level as Heaps.Most BYU fans will probably disagree with me, but its an
We have always had more playmakers than U. Our RBs are big and fast and our
receivers are all NFL quality. Our offense will be the best in the country.
This actually has turned out to be the funniest thread in a long while. Please
ute "fans" at least make an attempt to be rational. LOL! The
reactionary attempts to try and claim obviously inferior players are somehow as
good, or better, than what will probably be one of the top offenses in the
country are absolutely the greatest posts I've ever read on this site.Thank you for your irrational, reactionary, and ridiculous replies. LOL!
LOL! at the replies.Not one of the utah players would start on BYU's
offense, maybe Bergstrom but he certainly wouldn't be ahead of Reynolds who is
considered one of the top olinemen in the country and a probably 1st round NFL
draft pick. No other o-linemen utah has would stand a chance of starting on
BYU's line.As far as the rb's are concerned, well not one rb at utah
has a sinlge D1 carry. BYU's on the otherhand are experienced and solid, DiLuigi
had over 1400 all purpose yards last year. Neither White nor Vakapuna would be
the starter unless Vakapuna moved to fullback and then maybe.WR's...well Christopher maybe. No the other's would, BYU's are bigger, faster
and better. TE - please....LOL! Murphy ran away from the cometition
at BYU because he had no chance to even play. LOL!QB - uh this ones
a joke right? LOL! again.As far as defense goes, well that wasn't
the question, but I am sure there are players on utah's d that would start at
BYU, especially along the d-line. None of the linebackers would, that makes me
laugh just thinking about it. db's? maybe. Both unproven.
BTW, as a fan of both teams, with a favorite between the two, I read and post on
both team's articles. If you are a homer stirring the pot on either articles,
Fascinating that the posters know who the playmakers are, but the coach doesn't.
Seems that you've got a coaching problem. With all these obvious playmakers,
what's the coaches problem? Why isn't he seeing them?
Ufan, however, makes a reasonable, balanced, rational post. You, sir or madam,
I commend.Folks, make rational posts, even homer posts, just have a
little knowledge behind them, please.
Duckhunter says "There is not one single offensive player on the utah
roster that would start at BYU this year" and StGtoSLC lists a bunch of
defensive players and Classless Ute Fan list others and says "they'd be
all-conference" for BYU, when BYU isn't IN a conference, and Tomahawk Red
talks about running backs, and Utah doesn't have a single back with a single FCS
carry.Talk about ignorance...
Utah's passing defense wasn't that great last season. Hopefully, it will be alot
better in 2011, but we have a completely new defensive backfield so it remains
to be seen whether they'll be any better.
Tomahawk RedApo and Jacobsen are better than anybody in Utah's
receiving corps.di Luigi and Juice are better than any Utah running
backs.Hoffman is a stud at TE.BYU's offensive line is
deep and talented - rated one of the 10 best O-lines in the country.BYU has a FG kicker who can hit from 55+ yards.And, BYU has a QB
who might just be a once-in-a-generation, Jimmer-type, player.
Uteology"If you mean YPG"NO, we didn't mean
one particular facet of passing defense, we meant overall passing defense, the
complete package without any slicing and dicing to find one particular stat line
that makes Utes look half decent:2010 Passing DefenseBYU
#23 - cmp% 53.39, yds/cmp 12.19, int 16, yds/att 6.51, TDs 18Utah #73 -
cmp% 61.32, yds/cmp 12.56, int 12, yds/att 7.70, TDs 20BYU's passing
defense held teams to lower completion %, lower yards per completion, lower
yards per attempt, fewer TDS, and BYU had more interceptions
We are have good playmakers in provo utah.
Duckhunter | 10:01 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011 Highland, UTWell I see some of
you disagree but none of you listed one single player from utah's offense that
would start over any of BYU's. If you disagree then please list them as I am
interested to know who they are. I personally couldn't find one although I think
there are a couple that would be in the rotation at BYU but no clear cut
starters. I'll wait to hear who they are.---------------Our entire receiving and running back corps (1-3
string) would start at BYU.Do the cougars even have any players at
those two positions? I sure can't name any.
AltaHawkFan | 11:29 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011Yes, let's talk defense. What
is your excuse that BYU's defense last year (yes ... last year) finished the
year ranked higher than utah's.------------If you mean
YPG then Pitt was #8, Kent State #10, BYU #24, Utah #27, Oregon #34, and Auburn
#60. Now if you want to talk PPG that's another story. Just because you had 78
less total yards does not make BYU a better defense, see scoreboard for
deatails. Last years defense was the worst Ute defense since 2007,
yet the defense won 3 games for Utah (Pitt, SDSU, and BYU).
Hahaha yeah Classless that's what is great, Jake Murphy really would start
there, but he'll likely be anywhere from 2-4 on the depth chart at Utah. So
duck: foot, meet mouth.
Duckhunter,Tony Bergstrom, John Cullen, Tavita Stevens, John White,
Tauni Vakapuna, Jake Murphy, Kendrick Moeai, Dres Anderson, Devonte Christopher,
and Reggie Dunn wouldn't just start but they would be 1st team all conference
for byu. As for the QB, we'll see if heaps can play as well as Wynn this year.
Keep thinking your team is that much better. It will make the Utah
victory that much sweeter.
Duckhunter you may be right. Devonte would, but he wears earrings, so he
wouldn't be allowed on the team. Chaz Walker would be far and away the best
linebacker, but his hair is too long. John White IV could run circles around
DiLuigi, but he says curse words sometimes. Blechen has facial hair. As do
nearly all of the other starters for the superior Utes team. Of the U players
who are BYU-appropriate, probably none of them could START over your guys, but
if you really think Bergstrom (Outland candidate) is worse than your right
tackle, Walker (Lombardi candidate) is not better than your middle linebacker,
Christopher (Biletnikoff candidate) is not as good as any of your starting
receivers, just to name a few, tell me right now for everyone else to witness.
We're not even talking about who the better team is right now, just your pride
re: utahcountyuteYes, let's talk defense. What is your excuse that
BYU's defense last year (yes ... last year) finished the year ranked higher than
utah's.utah's defense better be stellar this year to prevent a lot
of blowouts 'cause we all know the ute offense won't be scoring many points.By the way, is the mantra for the utes this year, a 'step forward' ?
I'm getting very tired of hearing kyle repeat himself every day looking for the
utes to take a 'step forward'.
DuckyI'll play. I would take any one of the U's WR any day. Devonte,
Dunn and Dres Anderson. I know you think Apo catching a pass over horrible DBs
in practice looks pretty good but he is unproven at best. Now let's
talk defense. Give me one defensive play maker on byU's whole team. Oops, that's
right, there aren't any.Can't wait, can't wait
Well I see some of you disagree but none of you listed one single player from
utah's offense that would start over any of BYU's. If you disagree then please
list them as I am interested to know who they are. I personally couldn't find
one although I think there are a couple that would be in the rotation at BYU but
no clear cut starters. I'll wait to hear who they are.
SoCalUteGood luck covering BYU's "slow" receivers on
September 17th.As for Utah's running backs. Don't you have to have a
good offensive line to have a good running game? And isn't it even
more imperative, that you have to have a QB who can throw the ball in order for
a receiver to light up anybody?
Duck HunterGreat quote. Almost word for word from Barry Switzer
before the Sugar Bowl.
DeVonte Christopher and Brian Blechen are going to blow up this year, they will
wreak havoc on opposing teams all season long, mark it down. Freshmen Dres
Anderson, Eric Rowe, and Nate Fakahafua will also make some noise this season
with their big play ability.
DuckhunterYou drink WAY too much of the kool aid that DesNews feeds
you. I know you don't believe that statement. I could go through and name
those who would easily start over BYU's 'strong' offense, but arguing with you
is like arguing with a 5th grader.You're right though, it will be
painfully obvious to you in about a month about how wrong you are.
@ Duckhunter you're funny. "Not one offensive player from the Utes
would start at the Y" Is that because you guys enjoy having slow receivers
and No running game? or maybe those blue tinted glasses that you wear, just
make it look like you have fast receivers and a good running game.Whatever
the case, your a little delusional.
Kyle Whittingham looking for playmakers:He should start with finding
a division 1 quarterback who is capable of playing full-time.
Max-was-right -You said - "Someone should drvie him south about
50 miles, he'd see some play makers there..."You could be on to
something there. With UVU having no football program there might be some hidden
talent walking around that campus that would love a crack at playing some
Duckhunter,That is a pretty bold statement. We already know you
aren't very educated when it comes to football, even Bronco said so. So I'll
just let that ignorant post go without a rebuttal. You probably said (or
thought) the same thing last year and then byu went 7-6. Keep those predictions
Maxi,How many PLAY MAKERS has the Y had the last 15 or so years, or
even on their team this year? I think the Utes who have had 4 Top 20 picks in
the NFL draft since 1994 have had more play makers than the Y has. Even the
other players that were drafted after the 1st round, the Utes have had more.
Like MAFU said, you guys have Play Talkers. Ones who can only talk about going
to a BCS game, or ones talking about playing and winning a national
championship, when they have yet to even sniff and undefeated season, or a BCS
game. That comes first. Just ask the UTES and TCU who have had 2 undefeated
seasons the last 7 years, and BCS wins if they made it to a NC game. Now you
will have a harder time and as independent getting there. It is better than the
Mtn Worst, dont get me wrong, but there are not any Play Makers 50 miles south
of SLC. The only one is Jimmer, and he is gone.
@ MaxiePlay talkers reside 45 miles to the South, not play makers.
Someone should drvie him south about 50 miles, he'd see some play makers