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Published: Sunday, Aug. 14 2011 10:13 p.m. MDT

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The Rock
Federal Way, WA

@crivas

Nope! Utah was not part of Mexico when the Mormons entered the Salt Lake Valley. It was part of Mexico when they left for Utah. The war with Mexico lasted from 1846 to 1848. By July of 1847 American forces were entirely in control of the region. Signing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in February 1848 was a mere formality.

The saints were fleeing an abusive government and were probably profoundly disappointed to end up back in the same country they were fleeing from.

az roadrunner
Apache Junction, AZ

I have the feeling some of your readers would want me prosecuted for jaywalking if I ran into the street to save a child from being hit by a car. In my view,it's largely a question of priorities and prosecutorial discretion, and the deportation of 12 million illegal aliens should be extremely low on the list.

Y Ask Y
Provo, UT

pmccombs,

I submit to you that Calvin was a far better Christian than you could ever be.

Tom
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Most people would agree that the U.S tax law is broken, immigration law is on par with our tax law in its complexity and stupidity. One example of our broken immigration law is there are around 3,ooo,ooo U.S. citizens that are married to undocumented individuals. Our current law states that the way you make this right is the undocumented individual returns to their country of origin and are then barred from re-entry for 10 years. This is a recent addition to immigration law since about 1996. When you have family members that are in this position arguments and statistics that come from organizations that have ties to white supremacy groups like NumberUSA and FAIR have little appeal. I have been told that there is "no compassion for law breakers." That is not in harmony with the spirit of Christ.

Trooper55
Williams, AZ

I am a firm beleiver that if you enter this country illegally and are costing us taxpayers money for medical,schooling, and other benifits that should go to the people of the U.S. I am for no form of a free pass, and I also beleive that they should be sent back to the country they came from. It may sound cold hearted, but the Law is the law and let enforce it.

pmccombs
Orem, UT

Y ask Y,

I see that you share Calvin's determinism in declaring this immutable impossibility for one whom you know only through some 200 words or less. I take it that you and Calvin are Christians of a kind; mighty in judgment and poor in compassion. Admirable, yet also pitiable.

A_Zion_State_O'Mind
FAIR OAKS, CA

By the time the Saints enter Salt Lake Valley the United States had defeated Mexico in war & the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo rendered the most of what is now the western United States to the USA. But, current administrations do not respect our sovereignty or they would enforce existing immigration laws. Instead they pay lip service & now we have members being instructed to look the other way. Institutions must perform their duty & uphold the laws on the books or change the laws.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

FAIR should have had someone from FAIRUS come and speak to them. They obviously need more information about the problem than their immigration lawyers could provide. Then again, that seems to be the problem. An LDS man was recently speaking to some academics at Sunstone. But it was all pro-amnesty, the system is broken, nonsense.
No one talks about impact or enforcement strategies at these events.
Let's not pretend they are fair hearings of the issues, because they are not.

Independent
Henderson, NV

Don't you think there should be a distinction drawn between those who enter the country illegally and those who entered legally, but are technically now here illegally because our bureaucracy is inefficient? Conservitaves, of all people, should sympathize with immigrants who run into problems with bureaucrats. Immigrants have to put up with the same big bad government we do. I don't think my fellow LDS members would be so hung up on the 12th Article of Faith if they just thought about this issue a little bit more.

MTaylor
PROVO, UT

These people in the article do not represent the Church, they represent business interests. And the LDS church does not sponsor nor endorse the group they were speaking to.

I have not heard one person from the First Presidency stating this, it's always been the business arm of the Church. Gods law is Gods law, it doesn't change, except by the hand of man.

Asking for compassion for those who have broken multiple laws, but ignoring those hurt by their actions shows a true lack of compassion.

I find this action speakers louder than words, and it will guide my future actions. God gave the members a voice, use it in October.

This country will never support another amnesty, nor will my eyes be blinded to business and it' use of illegal labor to hurt my fellow members. I will not stay blind to the actions of our leaders, that sell out their fellow man for the business interests, nor will I ignore the business interests of the LDS church's business arm involvement in this. The division has risen over what's good for business. That to me is wrong.

The Deuce
Livermore, CA

To: Timj | 2:09 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011 South Jordan, UT - I do appreciate your comments but have an issue with those that are called to serve being in good standing with not only the law of the land but also the LDS Church. When in these positions, these people may be called upon to help provide assistance and guidance regarding these issues. If the individual is here illegally, it is hard for them to be able to utlize all resources without putting themselves and others in jeopardy. Also, it seems to me that when you set an idnividual apart to serve as a leader of a congragation, the LDS Church should do all they can to make sure that this person is in good standing as both a citizen and as a member of the church. If not, the LDS Church is setting themselves up for disaster and creating more problems. It also portrays a double-standard to others. I can then start to look at other rules and say that they don't apply to me because I have a good excuse for not following them completely.

Independent
Henderson, NV

MTaylor, thanks for displaying why we are not yet Zion.

Diligent Dave
Logan, UT

16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, thus hath the Father commanded methat I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 16:16)

-- AND --

14 And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land, for your inheritance. (Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 20:14)

To whom does the world belong? Is it man's? Or is it God's?

And, if it be God's world, is it not his to give or to take away?

I fear those who try to remove this mote from their "neighbor's" eye, and fail to see the beam in their own, will, with others, cast, or try to cast many more "illegal aliens" out of this nation.

I expect it will be then that this prophecy, twice given by the resurrected Christ to the remnants of Jacob, and to their posterity, will be fulfilled. Then, in justice, God will allow some of them to scourge the gentiles in this land, perhaps including many (LDS) Church members!?!

Truly, as the Jews would cast the Samaritans out of their land, so would many among us cast out this remnant of Jacob!

Ignorance is NOT Bliss
Glendora, CA

I have to say that I have a real big problem with my church, for all intents and purposes, turning a blind eye to what is an illegal act. With that said, I have compassion for those from other countries that want to come here and make a better life for their families. I can't stand the thought of those that come here to sell drugs, drop anchor babies and get taken care of for the rest of their lives by my tax dollars that I would rather see go to our own citizens that need help due to no fault of their own, or even to the survivors of the Japanese earthquake and tsunami.

My big problem with this is the fact that I can't go to the Temple and be sealed to my wife because of a legal matter with my ex-wife that lied in court and in paperwork which, in essence makes me unworthy because I won't give in, yet someone here illegally gets a free pass, serves in positions of leadership, and can get a Temple recommend all the while breaking a federal law. How FAIR is that?

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

TO IDaho Coug: The problem with so many is that they allow their own personal opinions to become their view points. When the Church agrees with them on the polygamy issue, blacks in the priesthood, the three witnesses they will stand and be adament defenders of the truth. When their own personal opinions differ from the counsel given then they rant and rave the other way. This question has greatly bothered me for sometime but unlike most of my republican counter parts I disagree with them on immigration. I can't see how you can run 12 million people out of the country. I can't see how this can't be done to destroy families, individuals and companies. I understand the 12 Article of Faith and I understand the questions asked. I ponder each time I answer them. I've received no confirmation on the immigration issue but I just can't see spending millions/billions of dollars to do something that can be done much cheaper and better for all concerned. Most people have ignored the question because they don't want to ponder their own actions. Ask yourself what Christ would do and I believe he would do exactly what President Monson is.

Ignorance is NOT Bliss
Glendora, CA

@Diligent Dave 4:25 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011

So what you are saying is, back before there were well defined borders in this country, before we had the 12th Article of Faith which leaves ZERO room for individual interpretation, that the words contained in the Book of Mormon supersede what has been established as the law of the land at this time, and that we as members of the church should just accept these ILLEGAL aliens simply because of scripture that is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old? Got it.

Diligent Dave
Logan, UT

A fellow 'saint' in my (LDS) ward pointed out that what those who are illegal aliens have done in entering and/or staying in this country (US) wrongly is classified as a misdemeanor, not a felony. I don't know whether he is correct in understanding this matter of the law.

But, one might ask that he or she who is without sin cast out the first illegal.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

The irony of this is that if President Polk had, as some recommended, annexed all of Mexico to the U.S. in 1848, instead of just the northern half, we wouldn't have this problem. Mexico would be a functioning country, just like Texas and California are (or were, in the case of the latter), and would be attracting immigrants rather than exporting them.

The only thing that wouldn't change, would be that Central American migrants to the American states of Oaxaca and Campeche, would be treated more humanely than they are now treated when they enter the *Mexican* states of Oaxaca and Campeche.

"I can't see how you can run 12 million people out of the country."

Don't have to. Even with the pathetically trivial increases in immigration enforcement, coupled with the recession, many of those people are voluntarily heading back home on their own.

Whatever policy is ultimately chosen -- and it should be humane to those 12 million -- it can't just pave the way for *another* 12 million.

AllBlack
Sydney, NSW

Seems to me that Utah folk, especially GOP Mormons, can ignore our church's recommendations to use love and compassion in the immigration debate just as much as Latino illegal Mormon immigrants can ignore our church's recommendation to not overstay a tourist visa or to not swim across the river.....Neither side seems to be listening much to the 'brethren' lately.

But there is also some hypocrisy on the Utahn side too.....I mean going to the Temple regularly and to church every week but not loving their (mostly) Mexican illegal neighbour? yeah , there's some hypocrisy here too....

Carson
Provo, UT

Why doesn't the prophet put the Churches money where his mouth is? Why don't you faithful who claim to follow the prophet pay an extra 5% to help cover the financial burden the Illegals are causing this State and Country?

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