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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    procuradorfiscal, do you care to back up what you are saying with something other then just your claim that it is true, and that everybody knows it?

    Twin lights made a very good argument, you did nothing to refute it. JustGordon also made a very strong argument.

    Both of these people have demonstrated how convincing arguments are made.

    As opposed to you just insisting that you are correct. Maybe you can do better then that.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    re: procuradorfiscal | 11:53 a.m. Aug. 13, 2011

    Maybe Obama would not need to use some of the rhetoric he allegedly does if the "too big too fails" would stop with the Marie Antoinette attitude.

    For the record, the GOP uses Marxist rhetoric too... Whatever it is; their against it.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Re: "Cutting taxes does not increase tax receipts."

    Well, what I actually said was that cutting spending increases tax receipts. Which is true. It has worked every time it's been tried.

    But, it is also true that across-the-board tax cuts -- not the "targeted" payback of political constituencies Democrats are so famous for -- also increase government revenues. It has also worked every time it's been tried.

    It's amazing how liberals get away with denying the history. EVERY time it's been tried, both decreased spending and tax-rate cuts have increased government revenues.

    Yet liberals continue to push for the opposite of what we all know works.

    Increased government revenues resulting from spending and tax-rate cuts is such a well-established historical fact, that even Candidate Obama admitted it during his presidential campaign. Then and now, however, he hides behind a "social justice" argument to justify his destructive, marxist class-envy, share-the-misery politics.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Since 1944 corporate taxes as a share of total Federal Revenues have dropped from a high of 40% in the war year of 1944 to levels below 10% in 1984 and averaging around 10 to 12% of Total Federal Revenues since 1984.

    Individual Income taxes as a percentage of Total Federal Revenues have average between 40 and 50% since 1944. The average corporate tax rate had dropped to at or above 40% in 1950 to 20% in 2010, most of this decline as been since the 1970's. One can see that since the mid 1980's the federal debt has skyrocketed as corporate contribution have declined significantly and individual contributions remain level.

    Here are some of the most egregious examples of tax imbalance.

    In 2009 Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits and paid ZERO federal income taxes, actually getting a $156 million rebate.

    Bank of American made $4.4 billion, received a $1.9 billion tax refund and got nearly a $1 trillion dollar bailout from the Fed.

    Goldman Sachs in 2008 paid only 1.1% of its income in taxes, even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received almost $800 billion in bailout money.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    The financial sector's share of corporate profits climbed from 15% in 1980 to 33% by the early 2000's, while financial-sector debt soared from $3 trillion in 1978 to $36 trillion by 2007. Translation...lots of Wall Street types making lots of money on leverage....and when the dam of their own creation broke in 2007...viola...they were too big to fail and we have been paying the price ever since.

    Couple that with corporations no longer paying their fair share of taxes when looking at history and you have a the current mess we are in. First, to those who decry socialism the data is in, socialism is good for stocks...since the Reagan era the stocks of socialized countries have out performed the US market. "A lot of the finger-pointing we do at these countries is totally misleading. It's a myth." "...many socialized government provide critical support for business growth, including first class infrastructure built by the public sector, retraining of workers and public education systems that result in better-prepared workforces, comparative to the US."

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    I am alway surprised that writers will support the Tea Party's brinksmanship policies and then turn around and blame Democrats for the problems. Some seem to think the problem started in 2006 when Democrats were involved...no one really wants to believe that this is a cumulative effort since the Reagan days.

    The Report of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission found that the federal budget deficit ballooned more than $1 trillion annually since the financial collapse and 2/3's of the deficit increase is directly attributable to the economic downturn and bipartisan fiscal measures to bolster the economy. Instead Republicans blame Obama and Democrats exclusively

    The FCIC in 2010 blamed the failure of financial institutions on "management teams 100%...no one else." Republicans and Wall Street turn a blind eye to the facts and lobby for less government oversight.

    The real problem is more than 9% of Americans are out of work...and no illegals are not taking jobs that Americans would take...we need to invest in infrastructure, technology, education and clean energy (there's no such thing as clean coal). We need to shift to any economy of creating jobs and genuine prosperity. and from just making money.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    Procuradorfiscal,

    Cutting taxes does not increase tax receipts. Tax cuts may have some stimulative effect, but that effect is not sufficient to overcome the lower tax rate.

    Just to keep things simple, let's assume a tax rate of 15% and $10 trillion of taxable economic activity. Tax receipts would be 1.5 trillion. If you cut the tax rate to 10%, taxable economic activity would have to increase by 50% to $15 trillion just to keep tax receipts the same - an unprecedented boom in economic activity. In fact, every 1% drop in tax rate would have to spur a 10% increase in economic activity - a 10 for 1 return just to keep things even.

    Does a 10 for 1 return seem too good to be true? Sure - because it is. Economists do not believe that tax cuts are compensated for by increased economic activity. Even David Stockman (Reagan's Budget Director) states that the math simply does not work.

    Tax cuts are a nice idea and they make for a great partisan battle cry. But in the real world, they do not help the deficit.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    The tea party deserves excessive criticism because they are excessively extreme and are willing to bring down the government. They hate everything about the federal government and the President. Reasonable people need to objectively expose their cult like thought and radical agenda.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    It's comical to read the daily delusions of the uber-Progressives on these pages. It truly is funny to see how wound up you get regarding anything Tea Party.

    It's sad to see the hate and anger though. That's not good for the soul.

    The letter writer is correct. No one has countered that fact.

    Different subject: LDS Lib, how come we don't see you on the Book of Mormon or FAIR or members respond to LDS misunderstanding threads?

    Why don't you ever come defend your religion?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Really Jthomason, because I rememebr a rash of conservatives threatening to suceed from the union not long after Obama was elected.

    4-09 AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

    Republicans in Minnesotas 5th Congressional District have gone even further: they recently passed a resolution calling for Minnesota to secede from union if the federal government exceeds its authority.(They can arbitrarily decide when that is)

    There are all kinds of posts by the tea party that support my claim of a neo-cofederation calling themselves the tea-party. It is what it is.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    cymrul said, "Where are the intelligent people in office NOW?"

    A better question - "Why haven't you elected any?"

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    re: cymrul | 4:07 p.m.

    Turn off "Rush"? You're presenting "facts not in evidence". What makes you think that I'm listening to "Rush"? I don't have a radio in my computer room. I haven't been able to drive since I broke my hand (evidence my poor spelling), so even listening to him while I travel from client to client is not an option. Although I'm flattered to be seen as someone who rejects the liberal mantra, you can't blame "Rush".

    How about reading the Deseret News? That's where I get the "facts" to support my posts - right from the pages of this newspaper. When liberals write something entirely outlandish, I sometimes have to resort to Google to see where in the world they've obtained their information, but most of it comes from articles printed right here in "River City".

    You may think my posts are "childish", but they are factual. Better ask Mr. Obama why anyone would take offense to HIS rhetoric and HIS actions. Stoning the "messenger" is what is "childish".

    Perhaps Mr. Obama is not the sole cause, but he is the President. The buck stops there. Blaming Bush is "passe".

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Screwdriver | 3:29 p.m.

    You wrote: "KM what's more anti-american than believing the american voted for government IS the problem and insisting on taking us to the brink of deault?" [sic]

    Who did that, other than Mr. Reid and Mr. Obama? A bi-partisan plan was on the table, a plan that was acceptable to those who assign credit ratings. The Democrats "vetoed" that bi-partisan plan.

    Your assertion, "Conservatives admit they hate government" is incorrect.

    Stating that: "As far as I can tell you all are neo-confederates ready to suceeed [sic] from the union and form your own countries." is irresponsible.

    Furthermore, stating: "You'd rather see people die of curable deseases [sic] than regulate and fix the medical insurance problem." and "You'd rather see the elderly and anyone who can't work starve than recieve a government check." is also incorrect.

    Making outlandish statements is something that Mr. Obama has done since becoming President. When no facts support your statements, the only recourse to to make outlandish statements. Honorable people do no make outlandish statements. They use facts and allow the reader to draw his own conclusions.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    ECR: "You have 50% less of the congressional staff to help you with your problems and your chances of attracting intelligent people to run for office has been severely reduced." Where are the intelligent people in office NOW? If they are so smart why can't they figure out a way to work together and fix the problems? Why can't they figure out that compromise isn't a dirty word and is what the majority of people want to see?

    Mike Richards: I agree that Obama has fallen short of expectations. You need to turn off Rush and stop blaming one person. Obama didn't creat this mess alone. He's a President, not some all powerful diety that snaps his finger and "POOF". Like I said, BOTH, (get it?) BOTH parties are repsponisble. Your finger pointing and posts are the same tired childish rhetoric that is playing out in Washington and it's getting us as a country nowhere. Blame whoever you want, just open your eyes and realize ONE MAN didn't cause this mess all alone. If Obama was that omnipotent I would have a little statue of him on my dashboard and an "Obama is my co-pilot" bumper sticker.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    re: cymrul | 8:47 a.m. Aug. 12, 2011

    Being "grown up" means not looking for a scape-goat. Mr. Obama is always looking for a scape-goat.

    Look at Congress. From 2006 until today. WHO authorized those expenditures? It was the DEMOCRATS. Take responsibility for that fact. It was the DEMOCRATS who authorized the "stimulus" bill. It was the DEMOCRATS who spent $4 TRILLION more than we had in TWO YEARS. It was the DEMOCRATS who refused to present a budget. It was the DEMOCRATS who threw out the bi-partisan balanced budget bill. It was the DEMOCRATS who extended the debt ceiling over the objections of those who have to rate our credit worthiness. It is the DEMOCRATS who are now telling us that it is the fault of the Republicans, or the Tea Party, or George Bush! It is the DEMOCRATS who have failed.

    If the editors are responsible, you'll probable find the truth printed even in the "Weekly Reader".

    Take off the blinders. The "facts" are already in. Those who spin and twist will be shown to be liars. Just wait a little while. Mr. Obama is spiraling downwards.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    KM what's more anti-american than believing the american voted for government IS the problem and insisting on taking us to the brink of deault?

    Conservatives admit they hate government. As far as I can tell you all are neo-confederates ready to suceeed from the union and form your own countries.

    You'd rather see people die of curable deseases than regulate and fix the medical insurance problem.

    You'd rather see the elderly and anyone who can't work starve than recieve a government check.

    You'd rather see jobs go to communist China than have any trade barriers like China has.

    That is Anti-American.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Cymrul said, " The POSTUM Party. We want Congress to take a pay cut, make them pay for their own healthcare, and we the people get to vote on if they get a raise or not."

    The total cost of all Senators, Congressmen and their staff costs the American taxpayers about $1.0 billion per year, perhaps a little less. So how much did you want to cut their pay? (About $93.0 million total for Senatorsd and Congressmen combined) Does that include cutting their staff costs? How much of their staff would you cut. Let's say we cut it all in half, so they only cost us about $500 million per year.

    The federal budget for 2011 was $3.86 trillion. So we've just cut .00013% of the budget. You have 50% less of the congressional staff to help you with your problems and your chances of attracting intelligent people to run for office has been severely reduced.

    So what's the next brilliant idea for rescuing our ailing country?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    EJM | 12:53 p.m. Aug. 12, 2011
    Herriman, UT

    Let's hear some other ideas.

    ===============

    I've posted some before:

    1. Penalize Corporations who off-shore American jobs.

    2. Increase Import Tariffs on products made in Communist Red China.

    3. Eliminate tax loop-holes that only the uber-rich can afford and use.

    4. Increasing Corporate taxes on net profits - [so they will look for tax shelters like re-investing in themselves or other companies who can then hire workers - furthing spurring economic growth and recovery while also lowering the unemployment rate -- adding tax revenue rather than drawing from it.]

    5. Eliminating Corporate Welfare. [Big Oil subsidizes, Defense Contractors, Ethanol farming, ect.]

    How is that for starters?....

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Also, congress should be required to live in the same dorm, and eat at the same cafeteria, when in washington, only have one assistant, and limit sessions to three months per year. The rest of the year they should be required to go home and live in their districts and earn a living like everyone else.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    The anti-American leftists are overwhelming the forum once again. Statism is NOT the answer no matter how many times you shout that it is. Our country is being over-run by progressives and the voters who benefit from their redistributive largess. We have reached a tipping point and can no longer afford to be ignorant of the consequences of out of control 'vote purchasing' spending by our souless government representatives. Hence we have the Tea Party. Thank heavens.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    Mountanman | 8:34 a.m.
    Hayden, ID
    Screwdriver. I don't own a motorhome because I pay too much of my income in taxes funding liberal entitlements! Incidently, I paid into my S.S fund all my life and guess who stole it and spent it all on the War on Poverty?

    Screwdriver | 8:46 a.m.
    Somebody stole your SS? Who George Bush?

    What are you talking about? Nobody stole your SS check. So are you saying you do or do not take Social Security?

    LBJ introduced the "war on poverty" 45 years ago.

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    What are you talking about? Nobody stole your SS check. So are you saying you do or do not take Social Security?

    No - That would be Tea Party darling Michele Bachmann.

    "Representative Michele Bachmann said she would cut Social Security and Medicare benefits for all...as part of a broader effort to reduce the federal deficit." ~ Bloomberg
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    Moutanman, be my guest - you and the others go right ahead and yourselves right in the foot.

    Meanwhile - Liberals will be doing everything we can to assure you keep geting your Government checks - because we agree with you what you said, You've earned it - you're "Entitled" to it.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    I have decided to start my own party. The POSTUM Party. We want Congress to take a pay cut, make them pay for their own healthcare, and we the people get to vote on if they get a raise or not. That's just for starters. They also have to justify claiming that "I understand what your going through," or "I've been where you are." If they say it, they have to be able to proove it.

    Who's with me??

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    Both parties deserve the blame for our current mess, as do we the voters. But we have adopted a "head in the sand" approach with the idea that "as long as I have mine all is good". I believe that this is not the best that America has to offer. Compromise with everything on the table should be what all Americans should be looking at. No one will get everything that they want. Oh well. So for discussion sake let's start with raising the Social Security age to 70, along with Medicare/Medicaid. Now, I want to retire soon the same as everyone else my age (mid-50's). I also realize I have a share responsibility with my fellow Americans to kick in if I want our budget deficit brought under control. Let's hear some other ideas. Mike Richards, put something on the table. Pagan, you too. Hutterite, bring something for us. Brother Chuck, you have a lot of ideas. Let's start a discussion here.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Yes, we need to listen to the howling mob festooned in goofy hats and sporting signs with spelling and syntax that demonstrates that education stopped around grade 3.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Tea party terrorist views?. This is a per­fect case of do what I say, not as I do, and it fur­thers exem­pli­fies the hypocrisy of today's Repub­li­can party and the utter jok­ers they have become. Case in point? Florida's Rick Scott and the rest of the Repub­li­cans both in Con­gress and in state gov­ern­ment is on a ram­page, try­ing to deny health­care to reg­u­lar mid­dle class Amer­i­cans. Their dirty lit­tle secret is, they are hap­pily enrolled in the very same gov­ern­ment health care pro­gram they want you to give up. Gov. Scott, a critic of the fed­eral health-care-over­haul, is pay­ing less than $400 a year for health insur­ance for him­self and his wife. Nearly all 160 state leg­is­la­tors are also enrolled in the pro­gram that costs just $8.34 a month for indi­vid­ual cov­er­age and $30 a month for fam­ily coverage. A mul­ti­mil­lion­aire and for­mer hos­pi­tal chain exec­u­tive?. LOL.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Re: "Very few people agree with the Tea Party stance of cutting without any increase in revenues."

    Cutting spending -- by itself -- produces an increase in government revenues.

    The economy is not the static, zero-sum game on which liberal, share-the-misery philosophy depends. Cutting bloated, unaccountable government spending makes more capital available to the private economy and spurs an upturn in the private economy, which inevitably produces an upsurge in tax revenues.

    It has worked EVERY time it has been tried.

    It worked for Kennedy. It worked for Reagan. It worked for a Republican Congress during the Clinton years.

    Liberals suggesting it won't work now are either too ignorant or too committed to a socialist reordering of the Nation to apply the lessons learned from history.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Just because they have the money to talk very loud, the Tea Party people think they are speaking for all Americans. It ain't necessarily so.

    The Tea Party represents the upper class business community who is funding their agenda. The reason for the agenda is to provide more freedom to business and take it away from people. The most flagrant and onerous part of their agenda is to oppose government interference in private enterprise.

    Thinking people involved with the daily struggle to survive realize that it is the regulations rules that give us freedom. And taking away those regulations and rules will destroy the freedom of the people.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    The Tea Party insisted that the debt limit not be raised (Michelle Bachman is still spewing that nonsense today). They favor defaulting on our debts. That would harm America.

    Once I realized that the Tea Party was so willing and eager to harm America, I tuned them out. It's kind of like Timothy McVeigh. He may have had a valid point to make, but he chose a bomb-laden rental truck to deliver his message, and nobody is going to listen to a lunatic.

    Maybe that less-radical "Coffee Party" will take hold as we tune the loonies out.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Why was there a financial crisis in the first place?. Because of runaway spending that sent the national debt up against the legal limit. But when all the big spending bills were being rushed through Congress. The GOP created the crisis, the Tea Party helped it along, so now, President Obama gets all the blame, because it's Congress that spends, he just signs the check. The US isn't merely double-dipping back into recession, but worse it's in the early stages of a depression that will strangle the economy possibly for years to come, just how bad is it, well, a ex-inmate captured breaking back into prison to put a roof over his head, 3 squares and a flop, and medical help, that's how bad it is. Excessive debt burdens will take years to shake off, and the problem is that many economists underestimate how long a debt-saddled contraction can last, especially when negative social moods, Koch Brothers and Grover Norquist, in their "Field Of Dreams" of corn and sugar cane, called "Ethanol Subsidies" entitlements that hamper economic activity even more. We're in the early stages, and don't have yet severe unemployment, the severe bread lines.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    4th-repost

    Tea Party are terrorists

    The US isn't merely double-dipping back into recession, but worse it's in the early stages of a depression that will strangle the economy possibly for years to come, just how bad is it, well, a ex-inmate captured breaking back into prison to put a roof over his head, 3 squares and a flop, and medical help, that's how bad it is. That means investors need to stock up on cash and other funds whose strategy is to succeed in a bear market. We're in a Depression that will last for years. Excessive debt burdens will take years to shake off, and the problem is that many economists underestimate how long a debt-saddled contraction can last, especially when negative social moods, Koch Brothers and Grover Norquist, in their "Field Of Dreams" of corn and sugar cane, called "Ethanol Subsidies" entitlements that hamper economic activity even more. We're in the early stages, so we don't have the severe unemployment, the severe bread lines and that sort of thing yet. It means they should prepare for a bear market to last for about five years and look for opportunities in such a scenario.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Mike, you are a prime example of the problem. You blame the Democrats for finger pointing and passing the blame, but you are guilty of the same thing. When the Republicans ran everything what good came of that? Two wars not paid for, Medicare part D, not paid for, Tax cuts that weren't paid for. BOTH parties stink on ice. We need to be more grown up than our representatives and admit that BOTH parties have failed us and have for years. NOT just the last 3. And I agree with you that it's time Obama stop blaming Bush and just start fixing things. But that will take cooperation from everyone. And no one seems willing ot do that. That means that we the people need to have the guts to make the changes needed and get people in office who WILL work together for the country and not their party.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Somebody stole your SS? Who George Bush?

    What are you talking about? Nobody stole your SS check. So are you saying you do or do not take Social Security?

    LBJ introduced the "war on poverty" 45 years ago.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    Screwdriver. I don't own a motorhome because I pay too much of my income in taxes funding liberal entitlements! Incidently, I paid into my S.S fund all my life and guess who stole it and spent it all on the War on Poverty?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    The tea party advocates in Utah will be in a dilemma when the tea evangelicals take over the no compromise party. Then it will be no compromise on religion. One of the leading first amendment recent cases in where an LDS family went to Court to stop a Baptist prayer at a texas school.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Americanwithnohyphen, the tea party has proven to be full of SS and Medicaid recipients that are wealthy and use thier SS check for thier motorhome payment and vacations.

    The republicans keep telling them that SS is in trouble (motorhome payment).

    I glad I can give them a free motorhome arn't you? The tea party is just the me-party that loves thier government handouts and doesn't like competing with poor people for it.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    The tea party is founded on all those things everyone enjoyed and perhaps took for granted for years.

    Even the writer only gives a vague description of what the tea partiers stand for.

    I think pragmatistferlife listed them above quite well.

    Scared by or hate the tea partiers, no, I feel sorry that they believe they stand for anything but a distraction, bought and paid for by the corps they readily worship.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    The Democrats are very good at playing the 'blame' game. The last Congress, totally controlled by Democrats, wouldn't even pass a budget. They gave us $4 TRILLION in additional deficit spending in just two years. The Congress before that, also totally controlled by the Democrats wanted us to believe that Mr. Bush's powers of persuasion were just too much for them and that they just couldn't resist him.

    Mr. Obama still fails to take responsibility for anything. He probable blames his overcooked breakfast on Mr. Bush. Mr. Obama has acted like a spoiled child, pointing his finger at everyone else, throwing under the bus anyone who crosses their eyes at him. He stomped his feet and threw a public tantrum when the House would not give him 'carte blanche' to spend another $2.6 trillion before he leaves office. He threatened our seniors and our vets.

    Now he, and the rest of the Democrats are telling us that the Big Bad Tea Party is to blame for our Country's woes.

    Are there no mirrors in Washington? Can the Democrats not see themselves as they are seen?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Took for granted for years is the key here. There's a whole generation who thinks the world comes with equality and fairness, clean air, clean water, safe food, drugs to cure everything imaginable, the right to vote, the right for women to play college sports, the right to success if you work hard, etc. etc. The world doesn't come this way it was built this way by our grandparents, and parents at a cost. Some times that cost was blood much of the time money. The problem is the ilk who takes all this for granted thinks taxes are evil and it's their money. Their money to keep and spend as they wish, and when they do that the air will stay clean, all will still have the opportunity to go to college, if they work hard they will be successful, and they will magicly create a paradise based on their consumer spending. Wrong!

    This doesn't mean current society is perfect, efficient or effective all the time, but it was built and didn't happen because that's the way the world is. It was built on sacrafice. The sacrifice of blood and dollars.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    The Tea Party's selective memory, short-sightedness and inability think beyond simplistic, selfish feel-good soundbites is acid on the fabric of our society.

    If it were possible to isolate the Tea Party into their own little world where their self-destructive fantasies could play out I'd say fine, let them enjoy their fantasies. However, because we all must share this one world we can't afford to let their irrational chest-thumping go unchallenged.

    The Tea Party is dangerously nuts. They believe things that are demonstrably untrue, and deny things that are demonstrably true.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    I have news for you tea party haters, They don't hold any office in congress, they don't vote on any legislation and they don't spend money we don't have. Guess who does? If you want to blame anyone, try to be honest with yourself and figure out who had control of both houses of congress everytime the debt ceiling was raised, both "bailout" debacles were passed, when Obamacare was passed and when both wars were funded! The tea party was not even in existance then! Barking up the wrong tree again are you?

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    tea partiers want everyone elses freebees cut.
    except for their own.
    They do not want money spent on anything
    except for their own pork projects.
    they want welfare for the wealthy
    but not for the poor.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    Sandy,

    it's only compromise of the repubs give in to the dems - it doesn't work the other way around

    But let me guess, since you stuck up for the tea party you MUST be (according to the dems) racist - oops, no, that charge has been totally debunked; wealthy, elitist, and want to kill everyone and everything that isn't exactly like you. That is, of course, the inaccurate lie the dems are trying to paint in their attempt to minimize the tea party and hold onto power despite their dismal record of the last few years.

  • Rand FLAGSTAFF, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    "compromise, why?"

    Because you are a significant but minority opinion living in a representative democracy. The minority doesn't get to dictate public policy, and your belief that you have the moral imperative does not change this reality. You Tea Partiers really need to get over the belief that you are waging a holy struggle and come back down to planet earth where compromise, negotiation, and rational debate can actually get things done.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    You are so right when you say "The tea party is founded on all those things everyone enjoyed and perhaps took for granted for years." They enjoyed tax cuts, a long list of government services that were not paid for, pursuing two unfunded wars to satisfying their international swagger. When their enjoyment of all the spending caused a huge deficit and the worst recession since the Great Depression, they go mad at the guy who was handed a country in disaster. The tea party is based on narcissism and worse, and now they want to take away the freedom of the majority who don't submit to the will of this minority. The tea party is rooted in selfishness and tyranny.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    The Republicans control one half of one branch of the federal government. Why do some people think that that should give them dictatorial powers over everyone else?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    Sandy, you are wrong.

    Very few people agree with the Tea Party stance of cutting without any increase in revenues.

    Oh, and about that stimulus, most economists feel that it should have been bigger. In fact, much of the stimulus money was spent bailing out state governments to help keep police, fire, and school departments afloat.

    I just love how so many conservatives love to talk about the stimulus package and declare it a failure. In reality, Keynesian economics haven't even been employed. Had we of actually built up our infrastructure, energy, and education, we'd have much better employment and a recovering economy. Instead, we get this conservative junk heap, of a few rich while everyone else is struggling.