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GOP candidates go after Obama — and each other


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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    The GOP needs to come out against the tea party that advocates further default and brinksmanship that will damage the economy. They could get more votes than in moving to the extreme right.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    MarkB. What's the matter with building your own unemployment fund? What's the matter with self sufficiency? When I lost my job I went on unemployment and felt like a parasite. There were no jobs out there than matched the one I had (masters degree level), so instead of sponging off unemployment I got a job framing homes for $3.50 and hour. It was exhausting work and I wasn't very good at it and full time I made less than what I could have received on unemployment, but at least I when I came home at night, I felt like I was paying my own way. I was doing something that helped society. That's a good feeling. Perhaps if the government didn't keep on extending unemployment benefits, people would be out there finding some way to make a living. Right now, if you're content to be a parasite, there is not a lot of incentive to scramble.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    I watched and listened carefully. Got the point that none of them will raise taxes. Got them criticizing the President for his lack of plan for cutting the deficit. Missed any of them presenting anything resenting a plan of their own for cutting the deficit.

  • NWCL INDP Murray, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    Independent's thoughts:
    1) Winner: Romney for not losing (or really being challenged) / bonus points for having new economic ideas
    2) Beats expectations: Gingrich - he knows what he talks about, unfortunately no one else does
    3) Meets expectations: Cain - good thoughts, but didn't bring the 'toppings'
    4) Most disappointing: Santorum - complained about not being able to speak and then disappoints when he does
    5) Most authentic: Huntsman - stuck to moderate ideals in front of far right, on to NH?
    6) Most authentic 2: Paul - call him what you may, he has been saying the same things for years (some now make sense, others still a bit 'out there' for most
    7) Biggest yawn: Pawlenty - his attacks on Bachman were effective, but he comes across as desperate
    8) Biggest loser: Perry - for not joining the debate and trying to grandstand without sharing any ideas. Belief in God doesn't make you any different than the rest
    9) Biggest loser at debate: Bachmann - Had a chance to make a statement, but ended up on the defensive
    10) Worst snub: Fred Karger - not accepted by his own, proves that Obama still may own the middle (for now)

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 12, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    I seem to recall GWB trying the exact same strategy that the tennis nerd suggests. How did that work out? And just what does it mean to be "doomed"?

  • The tennis nerd SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    I think Romney looked and acted the most Presidential. I think Romney would make a great President! Newt knows what he is taking about and is a very intellegent person. When the smoke clears we will find out who is the nominee that the people can support to defeat Obama. If Obama wins a 2nd term we are all doomed. Smaller Government does not need a lot of explanation about what the next President will do, except reverse everything Obama has done and do the opposite.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    Kinda funny to see the piranha feeding on themselves.

    They even hate each other.

  • Riles Midway, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    Romney this... Romney that... DN's coverage of the Republican field is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you look at the map of the post-debate poll, Paul not only won in a landslide, but pretty much evenly nationwide, except in Utah. Could this have anything to do with DN's shameless Romney-pumping?

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    I really liked Knewt's Comment about the GARBAGE QUESTIONS being asked by Chris Wallace! They didn't ask a TON of SUBSTANCE QUESTIONS and I was disappointed that they were almost trying to INSTIGATE inter-party arguing? What was that all about? I was highly disappointed in FOX NEWS for some of the questions being asked. Why didn't they focus on the PROBLEMS AND FIXING THEM! Gingritch was right on target there! COmments about someone elses religion, or someone elses comment about a topic shouldn't have really been addressed at all in my book. It's a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE! Not a Mud Slinging Feasco! Which it was in part, I wasn't impressed with the network, especially Chris! I thought Romney and Gingrich stood out in my mind. I like Santorum as well, and Cain. I thought this was a "Time To Get Out" for Huntsman, he showed his liberal side clearly on the Gay Marriage question he dodged it like he was in gym class playing dodge ball and he was the small fast kid who everyone would pick first because he never gets hit! Not impressed with him at all! Bachman was fairly impressive. "Paul" needs to quit too!

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    I had to laugh at Mitt's suggestion that people build their own unemployment fund. That must be easier when you're pulling down 7 figures every year. Doesn't everyone? Another ploy to balance the budget on the backs of people least able to afford it.

    If Huntsman wants to be the "moderate", he should dump the "reign of terror by the EPA" line. I want a president who opposes blowing up mountains to get at the coal underneath, but evidently that's not Huntsman. On second thought, he probably knows that "moderate" is the kiss of death in today's GOP.

    The mass rejection of the 10:1 cuts:revenue solution to the budget was pretty telling, too. Either none of them know a good deal, or were just too scared to admit it.

    Pawlenty v. Bachmann: "NO, it's MY turn to talk!"

    Bachmann on wifely "submission": The same as "respect". Pathetic.

    Cain on Romney: "I will not bring up this Mormon thing again - unless someone asks."

    Santorum: "I want more camera time. It's not Faaaiiirrrrr!"

    Newt: "I haven't learned a thing since the Cold War. Neither have YOU."

    Hannity: "Everyone's a winner!"

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:53 a.m.


    I'm curious as to why you feel like you should be given the details of meetings between a bunch of (presumably) private citizens meeting to discuss common goal.

    Unless I'm missing something, what makes their business your business? Are they government officials? Robber barons?

    The only way I can see your complaint being legitimate is if they are answerable to you (i.e. they work for the government) or if they are breaking the law (e.g. they are colluding or breaking anti-trust laws). Care to share why you belong in their life?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    'One thing is for certain - hope n change has already struck out.' - patriot | 9:26 a.m. Aug. 12, 2011

    You mean like the Bush tax cuts?

    *"According to the Pew Economic Policy Group, an extension of all of the Bush tax cuts will cost $3.1 trillion over ten years, once the costs of servicing the debt are factored in."

    Where are the jobs?

    Considering that Republicans had the Senate from 2000-2006 and the national debt AND the national unemployment rate DOUBLED....

    the Republican party always seems short on solutions.

    *'Strike up the band! House votes to restore money' - By Donna Cassata - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/06/11

    'By voice vote Wednesday, the Republican-controlled House restored $120 million for the armed services' 100-plus military bands...'

    *Amid spending battle, GOP rep renovates office by Michael Biescker AP Published by DSNews 08/07/11

    A House aide familiar with the program said the renovations typically run about $60,000 per office, though detailed numbers for McHenry's renovation were not yet available.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    who ever can present the best case for saving the economy will win the nomination for the GOP and the general election. One thing is for certain - hope n change has already struck out.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    By Louise Story
    New York Times
    December 11, 2010

    "On the third Wednesday of every month, the nine members of an elite Wall Street society gather in Midtown Manhattan.

    The men share a common goal: to protect the interests of big banks in the vast market for derivatives, one of the most profitable and controversial fields in finance. They also share a common secret: The details of their meetings, even their identities, have been strictly confidential."

    The call to deregulate the financial markets (repeal of Dodd-Franks,etc) will come up all during Republican debates. This is why.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Re. Doug 10--User fees are not taxes and are a legitimate way of funding the service the person paying the fee is receiving. Good for Romney for not raising taxes on everyone for service to the few.
    Re. Gingrich--He says the right things and it is easy to agree with him. But Newt's messy personal life, his contempt for women and family, show this man to be too untrustworthy.
    Re. Pawlenty--The only way he scores is by getting dirty. We've had too many presidents who secumb to that temptation. I want to see more character in the person in that high office.
    Romney's religion--Brigham Young said that anytime people kick the LDS church, they kick it up. We'll see, I guess.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    'Tim Pawlenty, the former Minnesota governor, assailed Obama for "his lousy leadership and lousy economy." And Rep. Michele Bachmann noted that she had voted against raising the debt ceiling.' - Article

    Oh good.

    So our goverment can face default on our debt instead of a lower credit score.

    All the while Bachman...

    *'Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds' - By Michael Isikoff - MSNBC - 06/28/2011

    *'FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows' - By Jim Drinkard - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/28/11

    'The farm also received federal crop and disaster subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments.'

    Michelle Bachman gets our federal tax dollars.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    glad to see the little o defenders are out en masse. keep drinking the Kool Aid. the empty suit is about to go down. any of those on stage last night are better than the organizer and chief. send o back to chicago in 16 months. i only wish it was sooner.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:44 a.m.


    How about hearing exactly what they plan to do? How about a detailed plan from each of them for solving the problems they slap Obama for? How about putting it all in writing so they can't weasel out of it later?

    Three cheers for the people in Iowa who gave Romney pieces of their minds the other day. We need more patriots like them.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Ron Paul and Newt did the best in my opinion as they usually stuck to the topic came across as genuine. Ron Paul struck a chord with me. Romney did ok. The others seemed too scripted and had things they wanted to say at all costs and there was too much "I did this and this and this".

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    Why is Gingrich still running? For years actors got paid by the tobacco industry for smoking cigarettes during a movie. Newt is getting paid to push for the repeal of the Dodd-Franks bill and no tax increases on the rich. Actually are all getting paid for the latter. When asked if they would reject a budget deal that cut spending 10 times more than it raised revenues, all raised their hands vigorously. Mitt Romney almost raised both hands. Nothing but more gridlock can be expected by this bunch. I agree with Mitt Romney on his stance on abortion, marriage and each state administering its own health care plan (providing it has one) including individual mandates. But I dont think he has a clue why Mormon recorded 3 Nephi 6:12. Also, I do not think the federal government can use the 10th amendment to allow states to practice slavery or exterminate Mormons.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    why do you perpetuate the lie? I'm no fan of Bachman, but there was NEVER any chance we would have defaulted on our debt. there is more than enough revenue each month to pay interest on the debt, military salaries, SS, medicare and medicaid, with about $35-40B left. EACH MONTH!

    those of you questioning why there was no mention of Ron Paul (if you support him) should be thankful. I watched about 30-45 minutes of the debate and saw no one LESS qualified to be president than Mr. Paul. It was not his non-traditional economic and fiscal ideas that turned me off to him, but his total naïveté concerning Iran that scared me. Mr. Paul would be a threat to our security. The only person I can think of in history to compare him to in that regard would be Neville Chamberlain.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    Ron Paul got the loudest applause by far. This was because he had something of substance to say and could think out of the box. The establishment hates him but the people love him. I think it would be a rigged election if anybody besides Ron Paul wins the nomination. Perry is an evil globalist and he may have the money, but he hates freedom and is financial backers hate freedom as well.

  • Rickety Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:54 a.m.

    Romney has a great track record of balancing budgets. That is what the U.S. needs now. My vote is for Romney.

    Aug. 12, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    Wow, I wish all it took to advance my career was to sling insults and blame at the current holder of the job I'm gunning for.

    Kudos to Pawlenty for calling out Bachmann: "She's got a record of misstating and making false statements". Indeed. Someone could write a book. And should.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 12, 2011 5:55 a.m.

    I rented a car with XM yesturday, and listed to most of their speaches they made. What was disappointing in listening to them is once again it was plaining clear that none of them I heard were giving you something to "vote for", more they were trying to build the "vote against" campaign.

    We have had Obama media covering him now for 4 years. We pretty much understand what the guy stands for and against. We get it. We don't need you all to tell us more about him... zingers and all.

    What I want to know is what you are going to DO.... how hard is that. Romney claims he is going to bring integrity back to government... because Obama hasn't. He failed once to mention what he "would do" to bring integrity back. How hard is that?

    I don't need them to tell me about Obama - I need them to tell me about them.

    I didn't hear Ron Paul though, and I think I would have liked to. He has some good logical ideas.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 5:52 a.m.

    And my question to each of these candidates, what would you have done? How would you have handled the problems that the Republicans handed to President Obama? I'll even give you the benefit if hindsight. Along the same lines, what is your plan for moving forward? Don't just give me the same old "cut taxes" line, which has proven to not work based on the experience of the last 10 years. It is so easy to stand up there and take shots, but not only do these candidates have no specifics, they have no ideas. None.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    First of all, above I should say Herman Cain not Dean Cain (the Superman guy)...sorry Mr. Herman Cain.

    Secondly Doug 10, I think your wish will come true pretty soon. Pawlenty, Gingrich and Santorum have no legs and will be gone by Iowa caucus. Cain will eventually be gone too, might resurface as a VP candidate though I think the first choice of somebody will be Rubio maybe followed by Christie. I'm not sure how much money Huntsman has, I know his father/family is loaded but he can't last too much longer with this support. I mean if he really wants to entertain this pipe dream of being President he needs to run as a moderate third-party candidate and maybe get somebody like Wesley Clark, Bill Richardson or Joseph Lieberman from the other party to be his VP.

    Bachmann is in it for the long haul. Guiliani might jump in but he won't do well. Heck he might be a good VP pick, if not for large ego, for Huntsman on a third-party centrist ticket.

    It will come down to Romney, Perry and Bachmann. Palin sits this one out and plays king/queen maker.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    Unfortunately for this country Mitt has had a 2 year headstart on campaigning. It might take the Texas governor to knock him off his podium.

    Currently he has run under the radar and were he to go toe to toe with Huntsman he would be a distant second.

    The field needs to be pared down yet seems to be increasing in size.

    Mitt is maintaining he will not raise taxes, he should check the internet as the happiest people on the earth are those paying higher taxes. When the tax rates increase there is less reason to take money out of a company. The higher tax structure then rewards people for investing in business.

    The current tax structure rewards those who take money out, selling off assets or laying off people. That might be why Mitt the corporate raider says he will not raise taxes.

    As governor he said the same thing but then increased user fees up to 600% to increase revenues. Instead of doing away with the 1600 billion dollar debacle Bush tax cuts he will protect those and balance the books of the country on the backs of the aged with cutting medicare coverage.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    Michelle Bachman still wishes the United States had defaulted on our debt.
    I guess that's politics. Stick to a talking point, even if its ignorant.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    #7--Tim Pawlenty. See he is forgettable...

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    The non-tea party, non-left wing analysis:

    The winners in order:

    #1--Newt Gingrich--shows some teeth, great zingers against the press and who can't love that?!
    #2--Ron Paul--no chance of winning, I think he knows it, so he can say anything
    #3--Dean Cain--like Paul he gets to say whatever he basically wants without much worry
    #4--Mitt Romney--all he needs to do is be solid and not make any gaffes and for the most part he did it
    #5--Michelle Bachmann--fumbled and stumbled a bit but didn't destroy herself, obvious favorite of Fox News
    #6--Rick Santorum--I can't tell the difference between him and Pawlenty, either by look, politics or presentation
    #7--See Santorum but appeared more desperate, seem to can't take it that he's not the most popular person in Minnesota.
    #8--Jon Huntsman--I could say he was #1 because his positions appear to the great and seemingly unrepresented middle. But that's not the game here. It's the Iowa Straw Poll and you could tell his answers weren't tea enough--poor guy should run as an Independent third party candidacy--mostly because it would be fun.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    Unfair how much brains and talent Gingrich has-----more than all the others combined; from a history professor too.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    This article mentions six of the eight candidates. It did not mention Herman Cain or Ron Paul (who is leading the Fox News Poll of who won the debate). Good job Ron Paul, you won a debate that you apparently didn't even attend. This article found time to mention two people who did not attend the debate and have not officially stated they're running. Interesting.

  • AT Prospect, KY
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    Interesting - you'd think an article about the debate would at least say something about each candidate - something they said that was noteworthy. I'm not sure, did Dr. Paul attend the debate? Not worth even a paragraph? There's journalism for you.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    Governor Rick- the tea evangelical-Perry has the core in his pocket. Give him an amen because the billionaires will pay Karl Rove to keep their tax low.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    The most feared man in America is Grover Norquist.

    When we get into the next war, which we most assuredly will, we will not be able to raise taxes to pay for the war.

    The re-Publican position is to repeat the "war off the budget" mistakes of the Bush Administration.

    Who or what will get sacrificed in order to pay for the next war or series of wars since we will not be able to raise taxes to pay for the war?