Not that bad? How many turnovers did the offense have? a couple of fumbles by
Wynn on the exchange from center? I guess the flip side is the defense sounded
like they played really well, maybe even way better than that. I expect lots of
improvement by scrimmage two.I think if anything this scrimmage
demonstrated our offense line is treading water with the injuries, there is lot
of work to do between the center and Wynn, and Hays is not picking up the
offense or he is just not good: two picks returned for touchdowns and another
interception if read correctly.
But hey the rugby player and the freshman rb both really stood out as did the jc
transfer qb. Sounds like the offense will be stellar.
@ govt rocks - you are spot on that Wynn and Stevens need to get better on their
exchanges, but it is not a tremendous concern at this juncture. If this problem
persists then you have something to be worried about. The o-line is
treading water, at least at the LG spot, while they find an adequate
replacement. Any o-line would be somewhat unsettled considering losing the 1st,
2nd and replacement to those two players in two-day's time. As far as Hays is
concerned, the #2 o-line is a bit patchy and unexperienced right now, so two of
his three INT's were tipped balls that he was trying to get out of his hand
before being sacked. Not even the best QB in the world would find success under
that pressure. Let's see how things progress come the 2nd scrimmage.
I see that those who weren't at the scrimmage have an opinion about what
happened and conclusions that seem to hold dire predictions for the Utes.The most important bit of information in this article is that Coach Whit
was pleased. His quarterback rates his own performance as just OK and says
there is work to be done. The OC agrees with his quarterback, but over all is
pleased.So what are the causes of doom and gloom? Two
fumbles...just a case of getting used to more snaps under center...two
interceptions...balls thrown by a juco back up quarterback? That's something to
loose sleep over.The defense played well...9 tackles for losses, 6
pass break ups and 4 sacks! No one was hurt! Go, UTES!!
Don't read into the statistics too much when it comes to Hays, Shreve, Langi,
and Palamo.They each ran with the 2's and 3's on offense, more
specifically behind those O-lines. Other reports said the defense was 2 steps
into the backfield before they had a chance to blink.What we CAN read into
is the lack of depth at O-line and how far off they are in comparison to the
depth on defense from top to bottom on the depth chart.Bottom line, the
Utah D is going to be awesome this year, but I'm scared to death at what happens
if the O-line gets anymore dinged up.
Was the defence really that good or was the offence that bad
A mixed bag for sure:Mishandled handoffs are awful. Can't get away
with that, even if you are playing the Carbon Dinos. I anticipate it will get
better as practice goes along.We are in trouble if Jordan goes down.
Dissappointed in Harvey's stats. If Tauni beats him out, throw a
red shirt on him. Nice to see Mo Lee have a good outing. Very
excited for him and hopefully he can get in the mix at corner. Devonte is going to be a top wideout in the Pac-12 this year. We need to
establish the guys after that to keep the defense honest. I FULLY
expect teh offense to improve greatly when the guys get healthy.
Keep in mind, Wynn and Stevens have just started working together in live
situations, as Stevens was at OG last year. From a couple interviews, those
missed snaps were recovered by the defense because Wynn was instructed not to
dive for a ball under and circumstances, and he didn't.Utah fans
need to take a lessen from BYU fans. BYU's offense destroys their defense all
camp, yet they can come out and say that their offense is amazing and their
defense is fine and will still be good. Utah's defense outperforms the offense,
and Utah fans can't figure if either is any good! Someone find some middle
ground! Of course with BYU's creampuff schedule playing half their
schedule against the JV squad, a good offense will win those games regardless of
how bad the defense is. For Utah, it's much more important to have
a stout defense, which they will. You will not outscore people in the Pac-12,
must be able to stop them.
Duckhunter,I thought you said you weren't going to post on any Ute
articles? Did you learn integrity from going to BYU?
@DuckhunterWhat Whit should do is have Wynn and the offense play
against a bunch of paper cutouts, like the BYU offense does, then hand out stats
to make everyone really think the offense is great!FYI - This is the
same offense who found a way to beat BYU last year with a QB who couldn't move
his throwing arm! I think they'll be ok.
Defense is always ahead of the game this early on, no surprise there. Sounds
like it's a good thing it's only the first week of camp - lots of mistakes to
clean up. Disappointing showing by Hays, becoming very obvious why the coaches
are heavily protecting Wynn - similar to how they protected Brian Johnson in
2008 after several injuries to him the previous year.
Not bad for a first scrimmage. Hopefully the 2s can get it together.
From what I heard on the radio, the 2nd team D line killed the 2nd team O line
and contributed substantially to Hays poor play. Hopefully he will do better
when he can get some time to throw it.As for the 1st team O line it
sounds like they held their own against a stellar D line, the defense might have
held some back to insure Wynn stays healthy, but the fact that the Ute offense
put together some long, sustained drives is a good sign.If I'm coach
Whit, I rest Wynn's arm completely until next week, let it recover, let the
soreness leave, then plug him in when he's 100%. The most important thing for
Utah right now is that Wynn is 100% at the start of the season, if that means
they loose some timing with the receivers so be it. Make sure that shoulder is
good to go for USC.
Pac12Utes | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011 Up On The Hill, UT Ducky
didn't go to BYU. Don't blame us for him.
Duckhunter - I swore that there was some kind of wager about the Pac12 TV
network that you lost that you weren't going to post on Utah articles any more.
Guess not? What happened to the honor code?
"I thought you said you weren't going to post on any Ute articles? Did you
learn integrity from going to BYU?"PAC12,From what
Ducky has said in the past is that he didn't have what it took to graduate from
college....hence the "lawn maintenance" career.
hedgehog | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI Now this post
I like the fact that Wynn was moving the ball well against the first defense.
Whit does not send out compliments easily. I know the run will be stopped and
the defense is quick. Should be one of the top defenses in the PAC. Need the
defense to keep us in the game while offense catches up.
Wynn will winn the Hiseman, garanteed. And Utah will winn another National
Champaionship, mark it down!
@pac12utesNo I never said that although mnay other dishonest ute
"fans" other than yourself have tried to make that claim.What I did was make a bet with a couple of the utah fans on here that if the
pac10 network was available nationwide, I think I said it had to be available to
something like 85% of the homes in the country, by next season that I wouldn't
post on any utah articles for the entire season.As of this date it
is not available in any households anywhere although it has been announced that
by that time it should be avaialable in something like 40 million homes although
that does not cover the nation. There is no deal yet to have it on any of the
sattelite systems, only a few cable systems, so if, and when, it is available
nationwide, before next season, I will uphold my side of the bet.But
dishonest utah "fans" like yourself trying to make false claims is
what shows the real lack of integrity that is obviously taught at the university
Hedge,"From what Ducky has said in the past is that he didn't
have what it took to graduate from college....hence the "lawn
maintenance" career."says another one who likely got
denied from BYU, thus ending up at the U. I love the bitterness. I
love knowing that your doctor continually warns you about too many free french
fries and your constant obsession with BYU.I absolutely love it.
Oh and the fact so many of you utah "fans" are calling for me to pay
up on a bet you haven't even won yet just shows how effective I am on here.Win it and I'll keep my part, unlike your own christina b who still
hasn't upheld her word the other way. But you have to actually win the bet 1st,
not just dishonestly claim you've won it.LOL!
The offense will get better as camp goes on. Plenty of time to work out kinks.
I am concerned about the o-line. Before the recent injuries, I figured we'd be
okay. Now the coaches are talking about possibly pulling more players from
defense to help the o-line. That's not a positive situation.
9 for 17, 152 yds...it's Another Festivus Miracle!
motorbike:"Don't read into the statistics too much..."I hope you're right, because stats reporting Wynn going 9-of-17, putting
3 balls on the ground, and amid a bevy of sacks does not inspire a lot of
confidence for U fans who are hearing the coaches call that performance even
remotely satisfactory. I would have expected better numbers for the BACKUP
To Max was right. Who is the classy Utah fan that wished injury on
Heaps? Not seeing it. Looking to be offended?
I read in this paper how there is competition going on for the safety positions.
Its an open position and everyone has a shot. That is just not true. There is no
competition what so ever. McGill and Rowe are getting most of the reps and the
rest of the safeties are just standing around watching. Bored to tears. That has
been true from day one. Tell it like it is and please do not make us think that
Whit has not already made up his mind before camp ever started who will be the
safeties. If it was fair and open everyone would get equal reps to prove there
skills. Its pretty easy for McGill and Rowe to have great days every day if they
are getting the majority of the reps. Give us the truth not made up hype.I find it interesting that new players are given the royal treatment and
the players who have followed the rules and put their time in and been loyal to
Whits system are shoved to the side so that his latest and greatest freshman or
JC transfer can walk the red carpet come fall camp.
@ Ted HThanks for proving the common conception about the arrogance of BYU
fans. It's people like you that ruin the image of BYU.
"One thing has become quite apparent to those observing practice and
scrimmages this fall: The defense is deep and talented." - Bill RileySo the glass is half full, all we need is the offense to pick it up. In
PAC-12 play we can't expect to play 5 minutes of good offense and still win the
game like we did in last years BYU game.
Sounds like a solid D performance, I bet the compete well this year! Good luck
Utes! GO Cougars!
chicagoborn,And its people like you who perpetuate the truthfulness
of it. And of Max Hall.Thank you.And to you getting
offended - LOL
@chicagoborn,"proving the common conception"Are you serious? That could NOT have been more perfect! I am seriously hoping
you get how hilarious and applicable my comments now are. Just in the same
moment you try and put me down, you end up proving my point!So
absolutely perfect!"common conception"I love
it! Thanks so much!Please tell me you understand. If not, go
upstairs and ask your parents, or a BYU grad.
Wynn was a little rusty; missed a couple early (9 of 17); missed a couple of
reads; fumbled two or three times; sacked several times; but the attitude and
effort were terrific.Not exactly glowing praise for Wynn.But, at least the 1st string offense was better than 2nd and 3rd string
offenses, who were awful.
Sounds like a pretty fruitful scrimmage. Lots learned and a positive attitude
by players and coaches. We received season tickets today...pretty
fun looking at the schedule...very tough for sure...but only through this kind
of competition (well and a pretty sizeable PAC 12 payout) will Utah improve to
the kind of consistent football program we hope for."Adversity
has the effect of eliciting talents, which in prosperous circumstances would
have lain dormant." - Horace The first step has been
taken...the Utes are in the PAC12. Some steps forward may be more difficult
than others...but the program is moving forward toward some amazing times. Go Utes!
Ted, Let me get this straight... You're a BYU fan on the Utah boards
hating on Ute fans. Yet you call Utah fans bitter. What's up with that Bro?
This seems to be the case every year...Utah's D outplays the offense during the
early scrimmages.Yes, chicagoborn, some folks on here are as common
as they come.
@chicagobornNobody is ruining the perceptions of BYU fans. Any
intelligent fan knows that there are idiots at every school and people are
pretty much the same everywhere. It is disconcerting how many
comments get voted up on both BYU and Utah articles. If you look for the common
theme among the ones that get voted up it is never because they offer any
insight or make good comments, it is almost always because they are insulting
and condescending (feigned superiority). Sadly, these comments make Hedgehog and
others like him comment even more because they think the more
"recommendations" they get the better the comment is. Not the case.
It is the preseason, let's not read too much into it. Heaps has been
playing great but what does that say about BYU's offense? Wynn has been playing
poorly but what does that say about Utah's defense. Truth is, we never know how
a team will do by playing against themselves. Also, we have about three more
weeks to straighten things like bad snaps out. I am very excited for
*what does that say about BYU's defense, not offense.
Go Utes! Can't wait for football to start
@Naval VetReally don't read into the stats too much. Nearly all of
those incompletions were smart throwaways and the defense was playing great.
"Wynn completed 9-of-17 passes"Um, that's 52% completion
of his passes. Last time I checked, 52% was an failing grade in school!And 2 pick 6's for the defense with the back-up QB in? Wow,
Wynn goes down, and Utah will get an official invite from the Toilet Bowl!Utes prepare for a beat down in LES on September 17th!
@BYUCOLORADOTotally agree with you. There are some pretty ridiculous fans
from both sides of the rivalry but I guess that is what makes this rivalry one
of the best ones in the country. If you look at a message board between Michigan
and Michigan State fans, you'll find the same exchanges between fans so this
isn't unique to the Utah BYU rivalry. It can be a little over the top sometimes
but it is what it is. Just can't wait for some college football.
@Independence: Your golden boy Heaps completed only 57% of his passes all last
year and Utah's starting D only accounted for one of those games. Worry about
the problems on your own front before looking into a scrimmage you didn't see.
@StGtoSLC"Worry about the problems on your own front before
looking into a scrimmage you didn't see." Talk smack all you
want about last year's Freshman QB at BYU jealous one.Having a #1 HS
recruit takes a little development time. 15 pounds stronger and a little more
maturity = a beatdown of epic proportions come Sept 17th.Could
someone please point out 'the problems on your own front'? Utes are having some
serious issues on the O. Defense appears good as usual but they
rarely score enough points to win a game.Spin and deny all you want.
Practice is not going very well.
@BYUCOLORADOI totally agree with your comments, granted the rivalry is fun
because of the trash talk that goes on but some people take it to far and just
turn it into pure hate. I enjoy reading most sport articles regardless of what
school it is. There are a lot of intelligent and funny commentors on these
boards from both Utah and byu fans. But unfortunately you cant have comment
boards without trolls. Best ignore them, when you post something towards them
that only stokes the fire. They live off that and they take it serious. I
unfortunately sent way to many posts mocking trolls instead of focusing on my
beloved Utes. Anyways cant wait until September, it will be a fun year to watch
15 lbs doesn't necessarily translate into ball speed which he lacked a great
deal of last year. And high school stats don't translate into college production
either. Hope as wishfully as you may, it won't turn him into Detmer.