It is incredibly fascinating how Utah fans who say they dont care about BYU -
seem to care so much about BYU
(cont)HOWEVER: If ESPN's willing to broadcast 10+ games in the first year-after
a 7-6 campaign, with the "terrible" opponents y'all keep ragging
on-how is our game total going to drop in coming years? According to Ute trolls
we should have a guaranteed 6+ WAC wins a season and I think everybody will
agree that the schedule will get better as time progresses...so if ESPN wants 10
games this year it is only going to get better as I see it. Furthermore-BYU was
several million in the black the last few years with the MTN's piddly payouts,
so it's not like we're hurting for the money.As far as conference goes-BYU
dreamed of BCS as well...before we knew about Indy. For me I can now watch all
the games and attend several-so although I would be happy about a BCS conference
invite in the future, I am stoked about our current independence! If I was a
Utah fan living in Texas I would get to see maybe two games this year and still
less than half once the network comes out since I am not "regional".
How is that better?
Zelph: Your points as I understand them: -Utah's guaranteed $30M
(starting in 2015)is larger than BYUs contractual $8M plus individual game
payouts (no argument-I don't think BYU will get more than $30M in the near
future and there is a lower bottom-end-$8M). -BCS conference affiliation
is a dream we all shared and Utah now has it while BYU doesn't. Again, no
argument to that exact statement.
@ZelphExistsSo far from your arguments, the only way Utah is in a
better position than BYU will be in the monetary returns the Utes will get
starting in 2015. I'm more than willing to admit that the Utes will be in a
'better' situation as far as bringing money in is concerned. So if we're
talking about money, than absolutely, Utah will be in the better position.But overall, for BYU, this is the perfect situation. They don't have to
worry about conference commissioners telling them what to do, they have the
freedom to work out their own schedule without Sunday play, they can have BYUtv
replay any game at any time after the game is played, they already have an app
that allows BYUtv to be played on all mobile devices... And, even
though ESPN only guaranteed a minimum of 3 games a year on their networks, in
BYU's first year of independence they will appear on the ESPN networks in a
minimum of 10 games. That says something about what ESPN thinks of BYU.Utah being on Versus with USC says something about what the PAC 12
thinks of U.BYU's exposure>Utah's.Go Cougars!
@mgr63 "I think that BYU/LDS positions on social issues also really hurt
them as well. The run-in that BYU had with Stanford in 1978 over the Church's
African American position and the 2008 LDS involvement with Prop 8 in California
I'm sure really turned off PAC-12 schools."I'm sure that did
have a lot to do with it...but again, I don't see how this applies to
'mainstream education'. BYU is primarily an undergraduate school for a reason.
From everything I understand, the purpose behind BYU is for LDS youth to get
their undergrad at a school with an LDS environment and then head out into the
mission field for grad and post grad work.As for the medical school,
it's true that BYU doesn't have one. Neither do ASU, WSU, and Colorado...I'm
pretty sure that's not a requirement to be in the PAC 12 :)So again,
what is this mainstream education you speak of? BYU offers all the same
undergrad classes and programs as every other major institution, except for a
specific pre-med. So I don't quite see your point.But then again, I
usually never do :)Go Cougars!
worf | 9:35 a.m. Aug. 7, 2011 Mcallen, TXThe cougs beat
Oregon, Oregon St, Oklahoma, Arizona, etc.---Utes lose to UNLV.BYU
is independent and the utes not.-----------A) Utes want
nothing to do with independence. When are you people gonna get that thru your
heads?B) The Utes beat Bama, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, TCU, USC,
Michigan, UCLA, Cal, etc. Cougars lose to Utah State (and probably will again
this year). How embarrassing.
Hey Ute fans! I thought BYU was now beneath your dignity. I thought you now
looked at them as though we were Weber State or SUU or Snow College; that you
had finally put the BYU rivalry behind you and were looking to fish for a
bigger, better rival from the PAC-12.But from all the comments I've
read so far, it sounds like you still love BYU. I mean, you love kicking BYU
just as much as always.Are you trying to impress your fellow PAC-12
schools with all your mud throwing, or perhaps, deep down, you truly realize no
matter what, there's no rival you will ever, ever love more than BYU.
GoUtesss | 2:32 a.m. Aug. 7, 2011 SALT LAKE CITY, UT" The
losses aren't coming from WAC teams or MWC teams etc."Oregon
State lost to Boise St (WAC), TCU (MWC)Wa State lost to SMU (Conf USA)Cal lost to Nev (WAC)Washington lost to BYU (MWC)" I'm
looking forward to all the televised games of the cougars getting smoked and
getting brought back down to earth."I'm looking forward to the
Utes getting smoked and getting brought back down to earth. Just won't be able
to watch it on TV.
ZelfI for one would not change positions with Utah. I live in AZ and
would not be seeing BYU play unless they played the real U (Arizona) or ASU if
we were in your shoes. I could even live with occasional mediocre seasons as
long as I can watch my team on ESPN or BYUtv.
@truecoug1: BYU may have it better for this year and this year only. And thats
a big maybe. But after that, once the new PAC12 settles and the money starts to
distribute evenly and the PAC12 Network gets in effect, there is no way you can
honestly say that BYU is in a better position. You know it and everyone else
mgr63the only reason you got into the pac is texas turned them down and
the pac freaked because they wanted a championship game and no other bcs team
wanted in.by taking crappy colorado instead of someone like bsu proves
that they didnt want to share with the non aq teams. so feel lucky instead you
were plan z. why they picked you over bsu has nothing to do with play on the
field, bsu would of made the conference much stronger maybe contend for the rose
bowl.you are picked 3 in your division maybe 5 or 6 overall, nice addition to
the pac. (FAIL).
@Truecoug,I remember reading 4-5 articles pertaining to BYU's
curriculum as it relates to other major universities and there were various
things that were mentioned that I honestly can't remember, and I apologize for
that. However, I know that the PAC-12 is a conference that prides itself in
research and all schools have many graduate school programs and medical schools.
Which, BYU is not as broad based as you know. I think that BYU/LDS positions on
social issues also really hurt them as well. The run-in that BYU had with
Stanford in 1978 over the Church's African American position and the 2008 LDS
involvement with Prop 8 in California I'm sure really turned off PAC-12 schools.
I know a lot of my more moderate LDS friends in CA were very upset about it. So,
that's my speculative 2 cents worth. Have a great night sir!
@ZelphExists | 9:01 p.m. Aug. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT oh, and BYU
online fan.. As much logic and sense as I make, please dont listen to me and do
the same. Living in Utah is boring enough and I need the cheap entertainment.Hey the last time I looked at a map it showed plenty of roads leaving
this boring state. Check one out.
Truecoug1: I am well aware that Utah won't receive AT LEAST 30 million until a
few more years. So while I have your attention right now. Utah is guaranteed at
least 30 million a few years from then on. BYU is only guaranteed 3 games every
year which depending on performance and ratings could only equal 3-5 million.
Who's position would you rather be in? Honestly??? And dont even bark up this
tree about football. Especially BYU football. I was raised by BYU fans. I went
to the Freedom Bowl in 86 and watched Byu get handled by UCLA. I went to the
Freedom Bowl in 88 and witnessed Ty Detmers first game and Sal Aunese's last
game with Colorado before he died the next year. Went to Holiday Bowls 89 90 91
and 93. Even as a little kid I knew i was always a Utah man. I even played with
Doman from my high school football days and hes a better player than football IQ
minded coach. Having seen how delusional Y fans have always been has turned me
off to the zoo.
@mgr63 "It is not within the mainstream standards in education that ALL
those schools have in common and pursue. Do they even teach anthropology at BYU?
I don't know, honestly."Yup, they do. In fact, my wife was
trying to decide if she wanted to get into the anthropology major at BYU. It's
supposed to be pretty awesome.I don't know what you mean by
"mainstream standards in education that ALL those schools have in common
and pursue." I've heard you say it before, but never heard you explain it.
Would you care to elaborate?You're not just saying that about BYU
because BYU is an LDS school with LDS standards and they require 12 credit hours
of religion classes, are you?'Cause that would be pretty bigoted.Just curious.Go Cougars!
@Truecoug,Yes, you may be correct.....Utah is with the big boys and
may be stuck in the high chair. However, it is nice to not get dissed and told
talk to the hand because no BCS conference ever returned one call from Tom
Holmoe. BYU is in the best possible situation that they can expect, considering
not one BCS conference ever considered them. The curriculum at BYU is what was
the difference. It is not within the mainstream standards in education that ALL
those schools have in common and pursue. Do they even teach anthropology at BYU?
I don't know, honestly.
@sweetnewssI think it's great that Utah's in the PAC 12. Definite
step up. I just think it's funny that Utah fans are so adamant that they're
relevant now when no one else in the country cares...including the PAC 12, since
they decided to put Colorado on more nationally televised games in their first
year than U.But that's ok..we still love U guys.Go
@ZelphOh contraire my friend, Provo is the "Mecca" for
JellO, ice cream and boastful, delirious sports claims.
I love how when we were in the Mtn. West it was all about trying to become a BCS
conference and why we deserved to be there. Now Utah is part of a BCS conference
and BYU fans try to come up with a million reasons why it doesn't matter. If it
doesn't matter, why did we both want it so bad? I guess this means
that when you get invited to the BIG 12 once conferences switch again it won't
be a big deal? You won't be happy to be affiliated with Texas, Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State, Missouri,Texas A&M and AQ status because your conference
will include Baylor, Texas Tech, and Iowa State? You'd rather keep your non-aq
status and 6-7 annual WAC/MWC teams than be associated with the likes of those
non elite bcs schools, right? I mean it just wouldn't be worth it to have to put
up with the bad-news baylor bears every year! Maybe putting it in
those terms helps you realize how ridiculous your argument that the significance
of Utah's move to the Pac12 is somehow lessened by Pac12 bottom dwellers.
@Zelph "Bored? Haven't you been bored enough with mediocrity for the last
20 years? Shouldn't you be used to boredom by now? Provo isn't exactly the mecca
of excitement. Of course you are bored! Provostan!"As I said,
'incendiary', meaningless drivel...talking about Provo being boring? (sigh) Tsk
tsk.Serious question: Do you happen to know anything about college
sports, specifically football? What is a quarterback? How many yards does it
take to get a first down? Even the basics would help me to know you are
actually a knowledgeable fan, and not just a BYU hater.Help me out
here...and remember to bring that bib to the PAC 12 :)Go Cougars!
The start of football practice makes me so excited for the start of football
season, and yes, I am excited every year whether the team is great or not. But
I also drink the kool-aid and I think they are going to have a pretty decent
team this year. I just wish I lived in Provo still. Thank you for TV coverage.
Bring it on.
@ZelphI don't think we said our situation is better than Utah's.
Fact is, BYU will never be invited to the PAC 12 because of the liberal stance
of the universities and the Sunday play issue. Definitely not a good fit at all
for BYU and there was no way an invitation would be forthcoming from the PAC.BYU's in a great position for the unique institution that they are. I
wouldn't trade where we're at for anything and I, for one, hope that
independence is the long-term plan.Again, as it stands currently,
Utah won't be receiving 30 million dollars a year until about 2014-2015. They
got stuck on Versus in their very first game in the PAC 12 while Colorado gets
put on ESPN2. They have a TV contract with KJZZ for this year...I'll stop
there.Basically, as it stands, BYU>Colorado>Utah.AS I've said before, U got invited to the 'big boys' table and got stuck in
the high chair.Hope you brought your big :)Go Cougars!
oh, and BYU online fan.. As much logic and sense as I make, please dont listen
to me and do the same. Living in Utah is boring enough and I need the cheap
entertainment. So please dont follow my rule and make complete sense. I need
your delusion for entertainment purposes. Thanks and go PAC12!
Truecoug1: Bored? Haven't you been bored enough with mediocrity for the last 20
years? Shouldn't you be used to boredom by now? Provo isn't exactly the mecca of
excitement. Of course you are bored! Provostan!
You seriously cant make this stuff up! You would rather turn down 30-40 million
a year instead of have 10-15 million a year? You would rather be independent
than to be included in what is arguably the 2nd or 3rd best conference. I never
said that BYU was getting a raw deal. in fact, i'm man enough to say that you
will be in a much better position. But to say that your situation is better
than Utah's kills any credibility that you have. All my smart BYU fans agree.
Its you online birdbrains that just have to much pride and over inflated self
importance that cant see it. Utah is in a much better position and no matter hpw
you spin it, there is no way honestly that you can say that you wouldn't trade
places. You know it!
@mgr63 "We Ute trolls love to read what you cougar fans write. It is great
entertainment. The amazing thing about it, is that you really believe
it........can't buy that sort of comedy anywhere I know of. Cheers!"I'm pretty sure that within the last 20 comments you and Zelph have
combined for 4 comments that have said the exact same thing as above.It's getting old.I used to be entertained by your posts...now I'm
just bored.Go Cougars!
We Ute trolls love to read what you cougar fans write. It is great
entertainment. The amazing thing about it, is that you really believe
it........can't buy that sort of comedy anywhere I know of. Cheers!
Now I understand! Could the Ute trolls be prevalent on articles about BYU
because no one reads the Ute articles, as is indicated by a previous poster? If
that is the case, and I do not know for sure because I rarely read Ute articles,
why would they want to comment on an article that no one reads. Makes sense.
I love how Utes hated the BCS until they're a part of it. Can we now toss out
the 2004 and 2008 Ute seasons, since those were primarily based on beating up
non-BCS schools? Last I checked, about 50% of BCS schools really have no
football history and are only part of the BCS due to conference affiliation.
With 6 ranked seasons in its history, Utah will fit nicely as another mediocre
BCS program that has small flashes of brilliance on rare occasion (even Wazzu
has proven this). Unfortunately, BYU fans, Utes will proclaim their Pac
membership forever as the eternal victory over BYU. Last I checked, though,
Wazzu, Baylor, Kansas, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Indiana, Iowa
State (and the list goes on and on) never run around proclaiming how great they
are simply because of conference affiliation. Actually,I've never seen 1 program
besides Utah try so hard to base their program "quality" off
conference membership. To every other football program, all that matters is
winning -- period. It's a big improvement for Utah, but they have a long way to
go before they prove themselves as anything but a flash-in-a-pan feelgood story.
No way BYU trades 10 games of national exposure, chance of going to a BCS game
once every 6-8 years and make your own schedule for Utah's little NATIONAL
exposure (not versus and fox regional, WHOOPIE), middle to bottom of the Pac-12
every year, with a chance to go to a rose bowl every 10-15 years (ask Arizona
fans how many rose bowls they've gone to in 40 years.)If you really chat w/ BYU
fans, they LOVE where they are. Note to all coug fans, if you want
to get away from Ute trolls, just start commenting on Ute articles. Nobody reads
@zuldf"Seriously, aren't they a 7-6 team that lost to both Utah
and Utah St. last year? Ok, BYU fans, run with that one and spin it all you
want. I'm all ears."And I suppose then 'your' team is the
'cupcake king' that could only put 13 points on the board against real teams
like TCU, ND (with a bench QB), and BSU.Nothing like seeing a #5
team drive off a cliff to irrelevancy in the most historic game EVER played at
RES and then expecting something miraculous in the PAC 10.2?Spin it
all you want. I'm all ears.
"Hey folks, I have 3 extra seats to the Idaho St. game at LES......Any
takers? I'll buy the ice cream!"I know you're not serious and
are trying to make a point that nobody will want to see BYU play Idaho State or
some WAC teams. However, I am very serious when I say that I know many people
who would take your extra seats in a jiffy. If you are serious, send those
tickets to me. We could use them. We watch BYU no matter who they play. The
only problem will be deciding which 3 will get to go to the game.
Latest Utah News◦Backup Utah QB's inexperienced - 0
comments◦Practice is still practice for U - 11◦'Real football' begins for Utes - 5◦3 OL coaches
for Bergstrom at U - 1◦Utah Utes football notebook - 4◦'Another step forward' in Utes camp - 4◦Forbes
examines Pac-12 TV deal - 7BYU football: Enthusiasm high - 72
comments...including 20 from our little brothers on the hillSo much for our little brothers leaving their big brother behind.
Hey ute fan a quick snap shot of your articles and comments:Backup
Utah QB's inexperienced 0 Practice is still practice for U. 11 Baseball Sunday: Hometown report 0 'Real football' begins for Utes 5 3 OL coaches for Bergstrom at U. 1 Trio battling for reps as Ute's RB1 9
Arizona looking to become elite 0 Utah Utes football notebook 4 'Another step forward' in Utes camp 4 Forbes examines Pac-12 TV dea l7
Not even your fans care to talk about Utah football. You got to love
how you are all more intrested in BYU than your own team. Thanks for the laughs!
mgr63 and his new best friend H-hog are two peas in a pod - a match made in
heaven. Both are obsessed with Cougar Football - they'll never be able to cut
the chord. Both are starving for attention.
"I can't wait to see their posts after week 3."mgr63: Oh,
don't worry.BYU 41utah 10 - what say you??
Zelph said:I would say that 99% of BYU fans would trade Utah with
their PAC12 situation in a heartbeat. And if you say that's not true, you are
lying and you know it. 100% of Utah fans would NOT trade places with BYU. Case
closed! I think there were many BYU fans that felt snubbed by the
Pac12 early on but very few now days. Congrats to U for the Pac12 invite. Your problem is with the second half of your statement. It needs to read
100% of Utah fans COULD NEVER trade places with BYU. U is dependent on a
conference and would never survive independence; no brand, no money, no national
prominence, no history, no ESPN, no NOTHING. u are small, u are
weak, u are... In 2009 U were crying foul with the bogus BCS and now
you have embraced it. what irony and hypocrisy. BYU is on the edge
of busting the establishment again, u may be the casualty of !the breakup with
roses adorning the coffin. Casket closed
re: GUtlesssHaven't you heard ? The Cougars are not your rival
anymore. Colorado is your new rival. Go away ... you don't want your snooty
pac12 'friends' to know you're mingling with those beneath you.Enjoy
@ZelphExists, GoUtess, mgr63Let's talk about spin. It is going to be
so satisfying watching BYU destroy the Utes on Sep. 17, and then coming on to
these message boards and hearing the likes of you three spin the 20+ point
beating you are going to receive. You all know its coming.
@goutesss"I've seen several comments along the lines of why are
ute fans trolling the cougar articles."Well I'm not one that
comlains about it as I like to read the latest idiocy from ute "fans"
but to answer your question it is this.utah "fans" claim
they have now left BYU behind, they do not care about them, they do not consider
them a rival, the BYU/utah game in September is now the 11th most important game
on their schedule, etc.If that is all true then why are utah
"fans" like yourself spending anytime at all reading, and commenting
about, BYU articles? It just proves to all of us that BYU is still your #1
rival, what BYU does is still far more important to all of you than anything the
school you claim to be fans of does, that you are still jealous, you are still
little brothers, you are still obsessed, fixated, and consumed with BYU.I'll assume you'll deny it but of course the fact you will read this and
reply to it proves I am correct.LOL!
@mgr63 Exactly. I have no problem with BYU sports. I do, however, just can't
keep from looking at these boards. Its the best cheap entertainment one can
find. BYU fans and their 'spin' is an amazing thing to watch. Seriously, aren't they a 7-6 team that lost to both Utah and Utah St. last
year? Ok, BYU fans, run with that one and spin it all you want. I'm all ears.
"the rivalry will diminish for the U players as the years pass and I really
don't see Chris Hill scheduling BYU much after 2012"65 posts so
on an article about BYU's opening practice -- at least half of those posts by
BYU-hating trolls.Last Wednesday, the article the "Pac-12
preview: Colorado..." was published -- a grand total of 9 comments were
posted on the article, 4 by BYU fans, 5 by Utah fans (4 of them defending
Colorado), not a single solitary post by a Colorado fan, and not a single
solitary post by Utah fan with a negative comment about Colorado.In
other words, Utah's new "rivalry" is the dead on arrival.Hill will never stop scheduling BYU because he knows that he would lose a
sizeable contingent of "Utah fans" who are and always will be nothing
but BYU haters. The BYU haters would be lost without the BYU-Utah rivalry.
@ZelphExistsPoor guy...you and mgr are both very similar. You spout
off nonsense and throw out random conjecture ("when BYU has another
mediocre season and ESPN only puts them on 4-6 games a year", e.g.) and
when we refute your points, instead of responding to them, you immediately turn
around and throw out some more useless drivel.It gets kind of
boring, actually, since it's the same thing every day.My
"dream" is that U posters come up with some different, witty material
that has a small amount of cogency to it.Sadly, you and mgr keep
bringing me back to reality :)Go Cougars!
@GoUtesssI agree with you 100%. Although the rivalry will diminish
for the U players as the years pass and I really dont see Chris Hill
scheduling BYU much after 2012, if at all. If BYU goes 6-6 this season the ESPN
ratings will be huge. BYU might get more money if they lose because millions
will tune in to watch that......I know I will, especially if they pan the
audience, priceless. Then, the cougar fans will brag about how much money BYU is
making. Their "spin" never ceases to amaze me. Great fun though ya
I've seen several comments along the lines of why are ute fans trolling the
cougar articles. Uhhh take a good look at the ute articles and see for yourself
that you cougars are trolling the ute articles too. I think that's a pretty dumb
question to ask why ute fans are trolling the cougars articles and not any of
the other teams in the pac 12. It's one of the biggest rivalries in the country,
of course the utes are going to hate on you cougars and of course you cougars
are going to hate on the utes. Why are you cougar fans so excited to watch your
team suffer on national TV going 6-6 for this upcoming season?
Hey folks, I have 3 extra seats to the Idaho St. game at LES......Any takers?
I'll buy the ice cream!
@ZelphExists,Love the posts bro! These cougar fans are a blast
aren't they? I can't wait to see their posts after week 3. Cheers!
Truecoug1: your dream is my reality.
"BYU football. Seems to always be winning off the field and losing on
it."Well, IF that is the case, then in the long run (meaning
after this life), who will be in better shape?"I would say that
99% of BYU fans would trade Utah with their PAC12 situation in a heartbeat. And
if you say thats not true, you are lying and you know it. 100% of Utah fans
would NOT trade places with BYU. Case closed!"How about I take
a survey in my BYU classes next semester (I'm guessing there are a lot of BYU
fans among the BYU students, but of course you know much more about BYU than
even we students do, so you tell me) asking them if they would trade spots with
Utah. If it is less than 99% then you lose. How confident are you in your
claim? If this were a bet, how much money would you put down?
I think something has been missed when looking at the records of the Utes' PAC
12 opponents for this year. The argument/excuse from Ute fans is that their
records were worse than MWC teams (or others) because they played other PAC 10
teams. Unfortunately, this doesn't work; the only way to determine the real
strength of a conference is by the out-of-conference record. The combined
record of the Utes PAC 12 opponents who were in the PAC 10 last year was 44-55
(that's 99 games). 72 of those games were against each other and obviously
resulted in a 36-36 record. Therefore, the out-of-conference record of those
team was 8-19 (which looks even worse when you consider the PAC 10's stated
non-conference scheduling goal was 1 quality team and 2 patsies).I'm
actually very interested to see the final SOS rankings at the end of this year.
Funny how U say BYU is the 11th most important game on your schedule, yet U are
flooding this article with your posts. Just because I'm curious, I
read the article about USC's first practice. I figured it would be flooded by
ute trolls also, since that's your first PAC12 opponent. Not a single ute troll
posted a single comment.So I thought I better check out Colorado's
first practice, since that's the U's new rival. Again, to my disappointment,
not a single ute troll posted a comment.Reality, ute trolls cannot
leave their big brother security blanket. The word obsession needs to be
reiterated one more time. This is the most important game of the season for hh,
chrisb, mgr, zelphie and others. Otherwise they would not be here.BTW, U should check out the t-shirts the Buffs are selling. They'll remind
you of your big brother to the south.
ZelphExistsSo BYU fans are dumb or liars because of what may or may
not happen in a year? That's rich. Here's the other side. BYU does so well in
the first year of independence that ESPN increases the amount per game they pay
BYU and they still televise at least 10 games.The craziness is that
we haven't even played a game this year and you are already talking about next
year. Just grab a cold one and enjoy KJZZ. Worry about next year after the
season is over.
I think most BYU Fans are quite comfortable with Independence as it sits right
now. Of course, we haven't played a down. Utah should be very excited about
their prospects for the future. They'll eventually get the money they desire,
and with some winning performances on the field, which they are bound to have,
they will likely get more face time on tv. Let's face it BYU fans, we have
shouted along with the rest of the "mid majors" that the BCS was not
all that far above us in quality football. Utah took a small step up in my
opinion. THey should have about the same trouble winning in the PAC as they did
in the MWC, which wasn't too much. The PAC has proven itself to be vulnerable in
ways that coaches like Whit Patterson, Peterson, and Bronco, have been able to
exploit with relative frequency. The Utes may not "own" the pac, but
they will be a threat to anyone not taking them seriously. Mark it Down!
@ZelphExists continuedBy comparison, ESPN and ESPN2 show in 100+
million homes nationwide and come standard on basic cable and satellite
subscriptions.I'll let you do the math on who gets the better
exposure.So I ask you, is BYU's dream really to be shown in 40
million homes 2 times a year? Or is it to have every game shown
nationwide on ESPN or on their own TV network that reaches more households than
the PAC 12's 'mighty' network, while not having to worry about Sunday play or
being beholden to conference presidents and commissioners?According
to you, I guess I must be dumb, or a liar, because I'll take independence over
the PAC 12 any day.Go Cougars!
MGR63, you do realize that Honor Code is anti-BYU and his comment was
tongue-in-cheek, right? If not, well now you know.
@ZelphExists "So a year from now, when the PAC12 Network is showing every
Utah game on national tv and Espn will only pick up 4-5 games after a another
mediocre year, what will your excuse be now?"Hilarious post!
This just goes to show your ignorance of your own school's network! The PAC 12 'national network' will start off in 40 million homes (15 million
less than BYUtv) and that's limited to the PAC 12 region. People back east will
have to buy a separate sports package in order to see the PAC 12 national
channel. It will only show select PAC 12 football and basketball
games that people will actually want to see (and if they want to see Colorado
more than U this year on national TV, I don't see things changing much for U in
the future).Utah maybe gets 2 games on the national channel, if
they're lucky.Their other games will be shown on the PAC 12 regional
network, which is limited to only the Utah and Colorado markets...that IS a step
up from KJZZ, but not by much.
BYU's dream is Utah's reality
So a year from now, when the PAC12 Network is showing every Utah game on
national tv and Espn will only pick up 4-5 games after a another mediocre year,
what will your excuse be now? If you are a BYU fan and deny that you wouldn't
trade a PAC12 invite for independence than you are either dumb or a liar.
@ZelphExists "I would say that 99% of BYU fans would trade Utah with their
PAC12 situation in a heartbeat." Absolutely...I've always
wanted to make no money in my first year of a BCS conference, get stuck on
Versus and FSN Regional, and have 8 games of the season only on the radio (I do
like Bill Riley). Not to mention the Sunday play and liberal stance of the
schools in the PAC 12. Man, BYU is in a tough place right now with
independence.10 games minimum on the ESPN family of networks in the
first year of independence, 12-15 million dollars a year moving forward, with
the ability to control our schedule and no fears of having to play on Sunday?
BYU really got the short end of the stick!Go Cougars!
@mgr63 "I am so "jazzed" for this season watching BYU
football."I am so jazzed for this season LISTENING to Utah
football.Hmmm...it's just not the same, is it?I hope you
like Bill Riley...@mgr63 "I'm telling you what folks, reading
what BYU fans post continuously is something that cannot be purchased. The best
entertainment in this world, always has been."Funny, mgr...I've
always thought that YOU'RE the best entertainment on BYU comment boards :)We love you, man...you, hedgie, and Chris B are what make us BYU fans
get up in the morning :)Go Cougars!
ZelphExists,I think that you are 99% wrong. Oh gosh, I must have
lied. No, never mind, I am pretty sure I didn't. I seriously don't know anyone
that would want to trade with Utah, and that's not a lie. We are all pretty
happy about it down at the Y.
mgr63,Your posts are getting boring bro, you should go meet up with
Chris B and hh and maybe they can give you some pointers. Just a tip.
Jealous U,You are spot on. HH and Chris B don't even try to sound
credible, so it comes off somewhat entertaining. mgr's problem is that he
fabricates lies to sound credible and it just comes off as a typical Ute
I would say that 99% of BYU fans would trade Utah with their PAC12 situation in
a heartbeat. And if you say thats not true, you are lying and you know it. 100%
of Utah fans would NOT trade places with BYU. Case closed!
BYU football. Seems to always be winning off the field and losing on it.
@Jealous U,If a person doesn't cheer for BYU they have no
"honor." I wanna see them play in a bowl game in December! GO BYU!
re: mgr63In previous posts, you've tried to convince us that BYU is
no longer your rival and that you are going to ignore the Cougars. When is that
going to start ? Please let it be soon ! You bring nothing of worth to this
conversation.BYU has a lot of returning experience at nearly every
position and a fairly new coaching staff. It will be interesting to see how the
offensive and defensive schemes have been adjusted.
BYU fans should talk after week three of this season, after two road games and
playing the U, which always plays BYU tough. Then, they'll have a few cupcake
games to restore an element of confidence. Working towards the "Armed
Services Bowl" should be BYU's objective this year. I hope they achieve
that lofty goal! Go BYU!
Looks like someone is trying to stir the pot, but his shtick is getting so
boring that's not working anymore.At least hh and his twin ChrisB
are somewhat entertaining with their constant lame predictions.
I'm telling you what folks, reading what BYU fans post continuously is something
that cannot be purchased. The best entertainment in this world, always has been.
Good luck BYU!
GoUtesss"Yeah that 45-62 record may not look so great, but you
have to realize the majority of those losses are coming from quality
teams."So when ASU(6-6), which didn't even qualify for a bowl
game because the Sun Devils only had 4 wins against FBS teams, beat
Arizona(7-6), that was a "quality" loss for Arizona?When
UCLA(4-8) and Washington State(2-10) beat Oregon State, those were
"quality" losses for OSU?When Oregon State(5-7) beat USC,
that was a "quality" loss for USC?You need to step back
from the PAC12 bias and take a whiff of the stuff you're shoveling because it
ain't roses.USC (on probation)Arizona(7-6)ASU(6-6)UCLA(4-8)Colorado(5-7)Washington(7-6)California(5-7)Oregon St(5-7)Washington St(2-10)That's Utah's
"brutal" PAC 12 schedule for 2011.Lots of
"quality" losses in that schedule.
@ Veritas Aequitas - Great comment, but I don't think bigutefan knows what
intrinsic or extrinsic mean.As far as ignoring hh's comments - can't
do it, they are like reading the joke of the day.Counting the days!
Can't wait to see what this team is going to be able to do.GO
COUGARS!!!!!! Yes, I am yelling!
@ Worf,Sir, that is the greatest post I've ever seen. Are you
actually a human being? Astonishing!
@Honor code,I bet you can't wait to beat all those WAC teams at LES.
How fun is that in "reality?" How about those road games against real
programs....sweatin' it out as they approach? Winning is what is all about at
BYU, and then "spinning" the value of those wins is what cougar fans
aspire to. I wanna see some good football, not that sort of nonsense. But, who
knows, BYU always has "let-down" games, so there might be a wee bit of
entertainment value, ie the trouncing that USU handed the Y last season, a true
classic. That was great! And, it will happen again for sure with some Div 2
quality squad. That is why it is so much fun to watch BYU in this
century.......As Forest Gump would say....."Life is like a box of
chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get?" I am so
"jazzed" for this season watching BYU football.
GoUtesssBy quality opponents, you mean... each other?Look, folks, this sword cuts both ways. Haven't we all, for the past several
years, gloried in the fact that the MWC as a conference, held it's own against
the PAC, or better. Was it two years ago the MWC was 4-1 against the PAC in
bowl games?Not that much has changed. In getting Utah, they picked
up a team that inflicted more than a few of those losses over the PAC. In
picking up Boise, the MWC replaced Utah quite admirably.
@ GoUtesss Yeah that 45-62 record may not look so great, but you
have to realize the majority of those losses are coming from quality teams.If the utes can't beat quality teams, they should have gone Division
11. Playing them hurts BYUs SOS. The cougs beat Oregon, Oregon St, Oklahoma,
Arizona, etc.---Utes lose to UNLV.BYU is independent and the utes
not.All BYU games nationally televised, not the Utes.The past forty
years--the utes grew with BYU TV revenue and former players,--the utes ???The cougs have great fans, the utes have hedgehog and chris b.Need I say more? Montana State 35 Utah 17.
@ Honor code. What happened to the Utes the last time they played a WAC team
called Boise State?
@goutesYeah, 2-10 Colorado's blowout loss to 5-7 Cal was definitely
a quality loss. And I'm pretty sure one of Cal's losses last season
came against WAC team Nevada. And I believe Boise State beat both Utah and
Oregon State, and of course Boise was in the WAC last year.How about
those quality opponent losses!
HedgieActually we learned a lot from this report. I guess that your
need to try to find something negative to say on every BYU article is so
overpowering that you threw out that weak sauce comment. If you can't do better
than that, why bother?BigutefanYou've already been
schooled well by TrueBlue and riddlemethis but let me pile on a little more. Do
you think that anyone in the country other than you and hedgie actually thinks
that playing the sisters of the poor from the PAC 10.2 is somehow superior to
playing UCF, TCU and Hawaii? Playing "BCS" schools might make you
feel warm and fuzzy but from a SOS perspective and gaining any national respect
for beating them, it won't get you anywhere.
I can't wait for the season to begin! And for the record.. I get a kick out of
the closet cougars (utes) who continue to follow a team they pretend to have no
interest in. I can't remember the last time I read an article about Utah's
football team. Ute football is meaningless. The only quality team in the state
is BYU (apologies to the Aggies). Go Cougars!
Since when hasn't the BYU squad and their hopeful fans not been excited during
the pre season? T-shirt and poster printing always at a feverish pitch, sports
boards slammed with with claims of "perfection and glory." I think it
is always great fun observing such a spectacle............and then
"reality" sets in when the season commences and evolves. That, as I
see it, is the "real" gift. Good luck BYU!
I can't wait til we beat up on those WAC teams at LES!!!
if utes were picked 3 in their own division that means their the 5th or 6th best
team in the conference did somebody say poinsettia or vegas if any... nothing
@bigutefan oops you forgot,About your 10 bcs team how many are the
preseason top 25, um "zero" byu has 2. of those 10 bcs teams how many
had losing or mediocre records, all 10. USC had the best record at 8-5, and 5 of
them had losing records.you are a bcs school,so you will join duke,
kansas, wsu..... you know, the schools that are gravy training off the teams
that are actually good because they cant seem to do it themselves.you are the 28 ranked utes at least for one game any way, well considering
your tailspin at the end of last year, you know that you got that ranking only
because of your conference affiliation.you claim the rivalry game as
the 11th or 12th most important game, but seriously this years game will be one
of the most heated in years. they will try to prove bcs worth. do you really
want to start the season 1-2 or 0-3 byu will most likely be ranked
higher than you before the season is over
@riddlemethisYeah that 45-62 record may not look so great, but you have to
realize the majority of those losses are coming from quality teams. The losses
aren't coming from WAC teams or MWC teams etc. I'm looking forward to all the
televised games of the cougars getting smoked and getting brought back down to
Correction: The contraction should be you'ren't - almost forgot my 2nd grade
grammar rules.One more thing: Some people look at Jordan Wynn and
ask why; I look at Jake Heaps and ask why not.
@bigutefan, I'm sorry man, you got slaughtered. Cut your losses and go home.@ the 12 some odd posters who responded to a simple comment from
hedgehog; I ask, why? Haven't you figured out by now that he just does it to
get a rise out of BYU fans? There's no way he actually believes the nonsense he
types. Leave him be. (unless in fact he is a she, in which case, leave her
be).I already posted this on the other board, but here's a tip: When
you see hedgehog's name, skip the comment. It's great, I highly recommend
it!These comment boards are much more enjoyable when you're'nt
(contraction of you are not - I just invented it) subjected to adolescent
bigutefan | 11:51 p.m. Las Vegas, NV "Utah is a BCS
school, BYU is not."===See, here is my little dilemma:Utah is BCS, BYU is not.Now, I do understand the bowl
situation, but has affiliation changes really done anything to improve either
team.bigutefan, teams get better from intrinsic changes, not
extrinsic. The BCS Utah team that walks on the field against MSU is not that
different from the non-BCS Utah team that walked off the field against BSU in
the Vegas Bowl last year.So, like BYU, Utah really has to earn their
stripes on the field. An invite does not make you a BCS team, but establishing
conference "cred" will. Utah is really a BCS intern this year.See, what I learned from the article is that Heaps only threw one
incomplete pass, nobody ate a bee, and the QB did not scare the heck out of the
OC by getting knocked down by the RB (well, one of them).And if BYU
is your 11th most important team to play, tell me, are you on those other ten
teams articles ten times as much?Admit it...You're
feeling inadequate and overcompensating...Relax.
bigutefan:learning really is so much fun isn't it? Here's the dirty little secret about Utah's BCS opponents that you and all the
other ute fans don't want us to know: Utah's 9 PAC 12 opponents record last year
was ...wait for it... da da da da 45-62. So beat your chest all you want about
the BCS teams on the schedule.We heard incessantly from Ute fans
that after the Utes were picked to finish 3rd in their division that preseason
polls don't mean anything. So which is it? You get to tout the USA today coaches
poll for the preseason 28 spot, but sweep the PAC 12 poll from media day under
the rug?BYU has RB's who between them played a single down of D1
college football. Utah does not.BYU has a backup quarterback who has
played at least a down of D1 college football. Utah does not.BYU has
an offensive coordinator who hasn't been fired by 3 other schools Utah does
not.Utah can be seen on KJZZ BYU cannot.Btw, if BYU is
only the 11th most important game on your schedule, what are you doing on a BYU
Thornhog, I read an article on the utes. I posted a question about you and
nobody knows who you are. Maybe you can learn how to be a ute or Irish and keep
your posts there. Adios.
bigutefanI love commenting on the articles of the eleventh most
important team on my teams schedule too........what a moron.
bigutefan"Utah will play 10 BCS opponents, BYU will play
4."Except for sanction-crippled USC, NONE of Utah's 9 PAC 12
opponents had a better record than BYU last season; and all but two of them had
worse records.BYU will play two pre-season Coaches poll Top 25
teams.Utah will play none.Utah is a BCS conference
member, but so are Duke, Washington State, Indiana, Iowa State and a bunch of
other BCS conference cellar dwellers.Didn't Utah get DESTROYED by
two non-BCS teams last season?It's going to be fun beating up on one
of BYU's four "BCS" opponents on September 17th!
Ole Miss, here I come. Looking forward to a great year.I'm also
looking forward to UW's 2nd year with Sark as coach. My guess is better than
last, and don't they play Utah in Seattle? I'll have to watch that one if it is
on TV.Go Cougs and Go Dawgs! Beavers, too (except for two games, UW
@CougFaninTX, learning is fun!! Just a few things that you might have missed:Utah will play 10 BCS opponents, BYU will play 4.The
BYU-Utah game is the second or third most important game for BYU this year, but
for Utah, the rivalry game ranks 11th of the 12 games scheduled. Utah is a BCS school, BYU is not.Utah will play in a BCS
conference, BYU will not.The preseason USA Coaches Poll has Utah
ranked 28th with 50 points. BYU is ranked 43rd with 5 points.I am
disappointed with the article, where is the one stat that is actually very
important to Provo fans and will create an amazing amount of buzz over
absolutely nothing: Who ran up Y mtn the fastest? So important!
Oh, hedgehog, you are so predictably wrong.
The O-line sounds deep and solid, that means the offense should be
This should be an exciting yr for cougar fans, I said from the first time I saw
Heaps that he could be the best QB we have ever had and that is saying alot, but
I still believe that to be true. Time will tell but there is alot of reason for
high hopes. If the D can come out playing as well as they finished the season
last yr, this could be a magical season. There is reason to smile.
Enthusiasm was even high among little brothers. Always so interested in what
big brother is doing.
Glad to see Chambers out there. Some young men get angry, embarrassed and
leave. Others get right, get better and stay. O'Niel is a fine young man for
At last it officially begins, 2011 fall camp is underway! 4 weeks until kickoff
against Ole Miss, cant wait! Go Cougars!!!
"if you're a bYu fan....you learned nothing from this report. "It's HIGHLY doubtful that you never read this report. You just have an
addiction to post on any BYU article regardless of the story.
@hhEverything I need to know (about the Cougars), I learned from the D
News.I learned that BYU is playing two pre-season ranked opponents
and the Utes are playing none.I learned that BYU has 10 games on
ESPN and Utah has 1.I learned that BYU has their own TV network and
the Utes do not.I learned that BYU knows who is going to be running
the ball (RB) and the Utes do not.I learned that BYU has a back-up
plan at QB (just in case) and the Utes do not. Hopefully, neither team will
have to use.I learned that BYU is deeper at every position than
they've ever been, and the Utes are still trying to fill in holes.I
learned that most experts believe BYU will be much improved over last year, and
there are a lot of concerns on the hill about Wynn's shoulder, the offensive
line, who will play RB, and whether the offense will grasp Chow's new
offense.I learned I can't wait until Sept 17. Go Cougs!
Great article for getting excited about BYU football. I hope to see another one
every day for the next month.hedgie....a true expert on nothing.
Since your not a BYU fan, how would you know if BYU fans learned anything?
"if you're a bYu fan....you learned nothing from this report."And what did you learn hedgehog? My experience in the past year or so
is that you don't learn anything.
hedgehogNot from your posts either.
if you're a bYu fan....you learned nothing from this report.
Like cold clear mountain water on a hot summer day.