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Warren Jeffs ruled with heavy hand, Texas jurors hear in sentencing phase

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  • hairypatches Hurricane, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    What would happen do you think if Pres. Monson came out with an edict that anyone not paying tithing, or was breaking the word of wisdom or if someone wouldn't allow his 12 year old daughter to be married to a "Worthy Priesthood Holder" of President Monson's choosing (more than likely himself), not only to be excommunicated, but have his wife and children reassigned to a quote "Worthy Priesthood Holder" and oh by the way, we're taking your house that you built, bought and paid for? And if you don't like it, well.....too bad. Now go repent from far away. He might let you back at some time in the future but you won't get your family back.

    What do you think the US Attorney General would do if Utah did nothing? Well folks that's Warren Jeffs who has been unchecked until now and the Utah court system still hasn't made anything stick. How sick is that?

    It's not a matter of freedom of religion. It's a matter of a criminal not being brought to justice in Utah.

    Thank God for Texicans who know the difference between right and wrong and know how to make it stick.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 7, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Obey
    Obey
    Obey

    Start when everyone is very young. Keep it going. Make them believe they are the most worthy on earth and ... Presto! You can even justify child abuse.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    All the wars on earth have deep roots in religion. It would appear to me that many sexual abuses also come out of religion. When will man quit using God as a reason to do harm to others.

    What did Jesus say was the greatest of all the commandments? and what was the second commandment he gave?

  • justired Fillmore, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    i agree with the characterization that this jeffs creep is so similar to brian david mitchell. i didn't realize it until reading about evidence and proceedings in this texas trial.

    can you imagine michell with 10,000 followers, but then i don't see how that many people can be stupid enough to follow jeffs. the reason jeffs controls so much money is he can take all of the earnings of his "followers" and give them just enough to subsist on in return, or kick them out with nothing.

  • jill17 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    My first comment somehow didn't go through
    Hellooo: are you for reals? Have you read any of the articles, including this one? If a child born to a child isn't enough evidence, do you think it's typical to have child rape recorded? Is that not evidence enough for you? This is the most evidence I've ever seen in a child abuse case. You don't even need th children to tesify, and thank heavens since they've been through enough already and need their space and time to heal. Not everyone can pull off the remarkable testifying that elizabeth smart did.

    Justmythoughts: seriousy? So you think the dn should. Just ignore national news stories that have affected our state and people and culture and politics just because there are so many stories of it? They should just start to leave us ignorant? Just like the state remained ignorant of what was happening on the utah border for o long? There's plenty else written u can read. But these articles are making waves and will drastically change how we handle cult leadership and abuse within these communities where little has been known until now.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    It is certainly appropriate to do everything necessary to stop the abuse of children. But I would argue that a 23 year old who has known no other life or way of thinking is being just as abused and manipulated. The brainwashing takes away free will as much as forcing a child into the practice.

  • opinion 47 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Helloooo: What polygamist group do you live in? Are you also breaking the law?

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    The article noted "Books that featured talking animals were banned..."

    Wow, Jeffs obviously never read the Old Testament!

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    @Hellooo:

    I'm not sure where you got the idea that "there was no DNA evidence presented in this trial." Here's what the Deseret News (and many other media outlets) reported:

    "Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with a 15-year-old girl and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting a 12-year-old. They also played audio recordings in which Jeffs was heard instructing young women on how to please him sexually."

  • jill17 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    ...and the fact that there are so many similarities about brian david mitchell and warren jeffs, including how they act in court, is enough to make sure several articles are witten about each, because obviously predetors who use religion as a weapon are out there in numbers, and as a public, we must learn. Then future victims will hopefully be fewer, or be saved, or arrests and convictions made more swiftly. Jeffs should have been charged years ago. Mitchels trial should have never taken so long with all of the mental health questioning. We need to learn about the minds of these predators. Keep the stories coming dn. And thank you.

  • jill17 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Hellooo: are you for reals? Have you read any of the articles, including this one? If a child born to a child isn't enough evidence, do you think it's typical to have child rape recorded? Is that not evidence enough for you? This is the most evidence I've ever seen in a child abuse case. You don't even need th children to tesify, and thank heavens since they've been through enough already and need their space and time to heal. Not everyone can pull off the remarkable testifying that elizabeth smart did.

    Justmythoughts: seriousy? So you think the dn should. Just ignore national news stories that have affected our state and people and culture and politics just because there are so many stories of it? They should just start to leave us ignorant? Just like the state remained ignorant of what was happening on the utah border for o long? There's plenty else written u can read. But these articles are making waves and will drastically change how we handle cult leadership and abuse within these communities where little has been known until now.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    There was no DNA evidence presented in this trial.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    This story is a bombshell in the rest of the nation. They are wondering how a church leader with present followers of ten thousand people could get away with this for so long.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 7, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    I am not a polygamist nor do I ever want to be, but this is not about polygamy, its about sexual abuse of minor children! The two are very different! One more thought: in our society, if a man has many consensual sexual partners he is considered by many to be a "real" man, a badge of honor, but if he happens to be married to more than one woman (consensually), he is considered by many of these same people to be evil! A bit hypocritical isn't it?

  • USMCer POST FALLS, ID
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    This guy needs to go away for a long time and the rest of his group needs some serious counseling. Question is--what happens to the parents of these young kids who allowed them to be with Jeffs? And knowing what he intended to do? Time will tell.

  • hairypatches Hurricane, UT
    Aug. 7, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    I live in Colorado City and I hope that the whole world hears about what has been going on down here for way too long. This man and many of the others that run things here need to be brought to justice for crimes against the innocent who really do not know any other way. As the leaders have said, "They raise their children as calves in a stall." Mindless dumb animals that do not have a voice other than the one that was given to them by their leaders. The leaders' only purpose is for breeding the young girls and culling the young boys. I too wish that Utah and Arizona would do more.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Gotta give Texas credit to do what Utah nor Arizona had the guts to do...

  • Justmythoughts Richfield, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Seriously, ANOTHER story about Warren Jeffs.....enough already. Warren Jeffs and Brian David Mitchell fatigue..........There has got to be something else to write about.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Aug. 6, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Warren Jeffs, shorn of religious trappings, is another Brian David Mitchell.

  • Commonman HENDERSON, NV
    Aug. 6, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    DNA evidence that gives 99.9996% certainty that Jeff's is the father of the 15 year old's child. I believe that is evidence of sexual interaction, unless you are contending that she was in vitro.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    He may be crazy, but it is interesting that the trial did not present any evidence of sexual interaction between Jeffs and the girls. He broke many taboos and laws, but there has not been any proof of sexual assualt, no physical evidence, no testimony by the women (no compliant either). It appears that to the Texas court marriage equals sex even it there is nothing to prove the marriage was consummated in such a way. And, then sentencing is based not on members from his community, but by his opponent's characterizations.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 6, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Oh brother, what's left to say about this crazy man.