I'm reading this from Martha's Vineyard, and agree with your analogy in this
season's gap from last year!
Bronco has stated publicly that he has instructed Doman to work Riley Nelson
into his offense. It seems obvious that Nelson will be employed as a situational
option similar to the way the Utes used Louks in 2008 and then discarded him in
2009 in favor of an incoming freshman Jordan Wynn, so lets not see any stones
being cast in BYU's direction for Nelson's treatment. This is D1 football, not
Pop Warner and at least Nelson has chosen to stay and compete, unlike Louks.As far as Heaps being sidelined for the season after the Texas game -
worry about your own QB after being introduced to the Pac 10.2 at USC. At least
Heaps is healthy and not recovering from major shoulder surgery.
Hedgie: Just stick with U and predict what they will do. Go ahead, so many of
you are experts. Predict each game for u.
"I will not be reading your blogs any more. I will skip them when I read
through all of the other comments. Just wanted you to know. I recommend that all
who read the BYU articles ignore Hedgehog's posts."Been there
done that for a looooong time. I highly recommend it. I find these comment
boards are much more enjoyable when you're not subjected to adolescent
tantrums.P.S. Why does anyone ever respond to that guy. He's just
trying to push buttons. There's no way he actually believes the nonsense he
types. Leave him be. (or she. I apologize for my use of the masculine if he is
actually a she).
bigutefan"Heaps has beaten ONE team with a winning
record."And Utah fans would take Heaps over Wynn in a heartbeat
if they were offered the choice.
Heaps has beaten ONE team with a winning record."When he helped
steer the Cougars to their most explosive offensive performance ever in a bowl
game against UTEP last December"UTEP had lost their final six
games heading into the bowl. They played with a quarterback who wore a cast on
his leg, and then he stood holding crutches on the sidelines.
"15 extra pounds of muscle in his chest, arms and legs." Really? Wow, he sure doesn't look that strong in the pictures from
first day of practice. He must have been incredibly scrawny before. He doesn't
look like an nfl qb at this time but things can change.
CougFaninTX:The last time the U beat a team from the SEC was in the
2009 Sugar Bowl. It was Alabama, coming in with a 12-1 record. To
All:I think chest thumping about how well you could compete in other
conferences based on beating a team that is in the bottom half of that
conference is meaningless to ridiculous, whether it is Utah or BYU. Take the W,
but both fan groups could use a little humility. My original point
was that fans shouldn't assume that a stout defense couldn't stop all of BYU's
options. Ol'Miss and Texas both have superior athletes than BYU from a
recruiting standpoint. Both have gone through some real turmoil, including
coordinator changes. It will be a coordinator versus coordinator battle. Cheer for your team all you want, but let's see both teams play some
games before the chest thumping begins.
Tosmartforyou: Wow! Most rational observers would assume that adding eastern
Washington and Weber State does not improve strength of schedule.Seriously, neither team has any real edge over the past few years in overall
strength of schedule. Up to this point, they have both played in the same
conference for many, many years. There is little indication of how either would
fare if they played a truly elite schedule. A cautionary note for Ute fans
would be Arkansas, who struggled for years after joining the SEC even though
they have a stronger, richer program then either BYU or Utah (or could ESPN be
wrong?).Utah will struggle in the PAC 12, even if they have a great
first season, for several years. BYU has greater control of their schedule, but
Texas will be a good early indicator. BYU fans should note as well, that if a
Big 12 invitation is extended, it will be on Texas' terms, not BYU's. Texas
destroyed one conference 20 years ago and nearly destroyed the Big 12 last year.
They aren't looking for independence, but conference dominance.
"I will not be reading your blogs any more. I will skip them when I read
through all of the other comments. Just wanted you to know. I recommend that all
who read the BYU articles ignore Hedgehog's posts."I'm in. I
will no longer waste my time.
I would like to see Riley Nelson play every 4th quarter because that would mean
the game is out of reach and he is getting to play as the back-up. I think it's funny that Utah fans love to critisize BYU's schedule, while
there's is pretty light for being in the "conference of champions."
Remember the year they said BYU had a soft schedule for playing Eastern
Washington and they had Weber State on their schedule? Wow, dillusions of
grander exist on the hill in SLC.I still believe it will take Utah 3
years to amass 10 total PAC 12 Conference wins. The reason: They're just too
full of themselves, sort of like being ranked #8 and then finally playing a few
teams last year such as Notre Dame. My, reality set in then, didn't it? This
year it will set in earlier than that! (Sept 17th or sooner)USU fans
harp all you want--your program is mediocre and always has been, pretty much.
That's how you keep a coach in Logan, you know; lose too many or win too many
and he's gone.
panamadesnews | 7:20 p.m. Aug. 6, 2011 Lindon, UT "Hey
Hedgehog, I thought you were lost and gone forever, but I guess I was mistaken.
I note your tirade in the last sentence of your 4:28 pm blog. I had thought
maybe you were an immature teenager. That now confirms what I had
suspected."hedgehog | 3:50 p.m. Aug. 6, 2011 Ann Arbor,
MI "Congratz go to Heaps only his recent nuptials and thus lack
of QB controversy."===Agreed, and to bring his
young bride in a drag he name through the mud with inuendo is a pretty classless
too.I wonder if Hedgehog is wearing his "Max Hall Hates
Me" T-shirt still? Anyone still want to argue how far Utah fans
are willing to take their classlessness?
Hey Hedgehog, I thought you were lost and gone forever, but I guess I was
mistaken. I note your tirade in the last sentence of your 4:28 pm blog. I had
thought maybe you were an immature teenager. That now confirms what I had
suspected. I will not be reading your blogs any more. I will skip them when I
read through all of the other comments. Just wanted you to know. I recommend
that all who read the BYU articles ignore Hedgehog's posts.
The entire offense should have taken a big step up this year. With the exception
of the running backs, they were below BYU standards last year. It should be much
better. I am expecting a real old fashioned BYU high scoring offense. Can't
wait for September 3rd.
It'll be interesting to watch Heaps and see what he can do, now that
he doesn't have Anae holding him back.
To UteRealist: Sounds like a B movie plot (you would have to be my age to know
what a B movie is). You're dreaming, my friend.
I just hope Riley has that shoulder good to go. Because assuming he gets in on a
few plays against USU, he better be ready to take a lickin'. Everyone wants to talk about BYU's linebacking corp but look at USU's. Bobby
Wagner is the only one on the Butkus list, Bojay Filimoeatu is a 250+lb. beast,
Gallagher has been a 3-4 year starter, and Tavaris McMillian is an athletic stud
straight out of Miami.Heaps, Nelson, Lark, whoever. With Ole Miss,
Texas, OSU, TCU etc on the schedule Cougs best not overlook a team that is
probably just as improved as they are.
UteRealist'Are you even aware of your surroundings? Riley played his
freshman year for Utah State. He started 3 games last year for BYU. He may have
been better off staying in Logan, but Riley playing is like having a former
starter playing. To say he has no experience just shows that you are blowing hot
air, and not backing up what you say with fact.
UteRealistThe Realist part is what is puzzling. Do any of us wish
Riley was the starter? Probably not, but we have perfect confidence in him
regardless. You just wish he had chosen the U.
"no depth at qb, Should be fun watching the train wreck as they start out
0-4"ute realist:You were talking about utah,
right?? Wynn is suspect at best, and then there's the freshman. You want to talk
about depth?? And your running backs??? Who are those guys?? Get real, dude.I'll be realistic and say utah will beat Montana State on week one. Week
two and week three will be a different story. SC and BYU will both crush utah.
We'll be talking about that train wreck soon enough.
Riley Nelson playing is just like having no experience. There is not a Cougar
fan alive that think or hopes Riley will play one single down. He would have
been better off staying in Logan.
Funny how U jumped on your pedestal after beating the following BCS teams
touting the wins as major accomplishments - Loisville (2X), Iowa State, Michigan
(3-9), Pitt (2010). Ole Miss in 2011 is much better than any of those teams.
I think we'll get a W against Ole Miss, but I'm still waiting to
find out how good this team really is. They have plenty of talent and the
potential for double digit wins, but I want to see them execute and show that
they know how to win.I can't wait to get the report to hear how the
first day of practice went today. 28 days and counting!BTW, when is
the last time U beat a team from the SEC?
hedgehogNot sure why a Utah troll is still spamming BYU articles,
when the Utes supposedly left BYU in their dust over a year ago.But
here you are hyperventilating about the wealth of QBs at QB U, while that team
up north is crossing their fingers and hoping that their fragile, wounded QB can
last an entire season in the "conference of QBs".Wynn
taking a little tumble in practice sends Ute nation into a panic attack.btw, you should hold off on the "conference of champions"
shtick until Utah wins a championship in something besides skiing and women's
gymnastics. And no, that 1944 win in the 2nd rate NCAA tournament doesn't count.
Army was the real national champion in 1944.
Ute Realist:Worlds coming apart? Sounds like your world came apart
when you read the article more than BYU fans world came apart when they read
your comments. Pointing out that what you said is inaccurate doesn't mean
someone's world came apart.Riley Nelson played in half the games
last year, as well as started for part of the season.Let's try this
again:Who on the Ute's roster among the backup QB's has played a
anti BCS,Not sure Y Chows comments have anything to do with a non AQ
bYu team? I'd somewhat understand if the kewgs were in the same conference as
the UofU and had some significance on the storied PAC12 "Conference of
Champions". But it doesn't.You might want to compare the +8
QB's on the roster to what Navy or Army has.
It's ironic how anyone mention all the qb depth for BYU and the world comes
apart. BYU's backups have the exact same experience as Utah's. None of them
have any experience. The fact of the matter is Wynn had better freshman numbers
than Heaps and Wynn won more games having played the amount of games. How does
that make Heaps such a stud? "5 Qb's at BYU would start at any
university?" We'll never know. If they are that good, many will be
transferring. Don't believe everything you hear.
UteRealist"Late in practice, Wynn locked knees with running
back Harvey Langi on a play and fell to the ground. Neither player was injured
and Wynn said it wasn't a big issue.Offensive coordinator Norm Chow
acknowledged "it scared the heck out of us" when Wynn went down on the
quarterback-running back exchange mix-up."Why do you it
"scared the heck out of the Utah coaching staff when Wynn took a little
tumble?Because, unlike BYU, Utah has absolutely NO depth at
quarterback. Utah's season is toast if Wynn goes down.BYU has three
very good backups to Heaps, in Nelson, Lark and Munns, who are all good enough
to be starters at other D1 programs.
"Ute fans have begun playing both ends of the stick. You've all had fun
thumping about an 0-4 start, but as it gets closer, now we're all about how bad
things are for Ole Miss and Texas"Y dad,Ole miss is
the equivalent of Wyoming ( a team that outplayed the kewgs last year...admit
it) bYu seems better on paper simply because o'le Miss doesn't have a QB.Having said that, I still think O'le Miss will stomp the kewg by at leat
10.As far as Texas? Bwahhhaa haah ahaaa hahahaha! bYu is totally out
of thier league. I expect Heaps to be sidelined for the season after this one.
WestCoast1It laughable how myopic Utah fans are about the combined
record last year of Utah's PAC 12 opponents, 45-62.At least BYU
plays two road games against teams ranked in the Coaches Pre-season Top 25. Who
have you got that compares?The truth is, Utah has a bunch of
mediocre teams on their schedule that they want everyone to believe are
powerhouses.Playing Hawaii in Hawaii will be every bit as difficult
as playing at any of the PAC 12 teams on Utah's schedule.
@westcoast1Do U realize that U don't play a single ranked team this year?
No one on your schedule is ranked in the Top 25. Not one team. Your MWC
schedule was tougher than your PAC12 schedule.@uterealistI
can't believe you said "no depth at qb" for BYU. Hello, we have five
QBs on the roster and four of them would start at most D1 schools. Give me the
choice of Wynn or Munns (BYUs 4th string QB) and I would take Munns in a
heartbeat. BTW, tell me about the Utes depth at qb. You better hope Wynn's
surgical repaired holds up to the rigor of the Trojan defense.
UteRealistNow that was oxymoronic.WestCoast1 Ute fans have begun playing both ends of the stick. You've all had fun
thumping about an 0-4 start, but as it gets closer, now we're all about how bad
things are for Ole Miss and Texas, just in case the unthinkable happens and BYU
starts 2-0.But you just don't know what to do with yourselves. Utah
is awesome, Utah is all that, Utah belongs in the PAC whatever. Oh, wait, BYU
gets Utah at home, so if you go 3-0 to start, you really didn't earn it.Well, here's what is different than the old days: all those games, good,
bad and ugly will be (inter)nationally televised. All of America will get a
chance to see which direction the Y is headed in. If we fall on our face, we
fall and we have no one to blame.But when we succeed, all the
yapping and posturing by insecure posters will be so much warm air blowing out
of the north.Good luck in the PAC. I think you will make it all the
way to the championship game, and then, anything can happen.
Congratz go to Heaps only his recent nuptials and thus lack of QB controversy.
sports authority/blu coug,You're mighty quick to pounce on Randy01
for questioning the validity of a victory over a mediocre Ole Miss team if, in
fact, byu beats them. Aren't you a little too sensitive? And why do you
immediately suppose that Randy01 is even a Utah fan? Aren't you jumping the gun
a little bit?It's true, Ole Miss is not in the upper half of the SEC
this year. And Texas is coming off a 5-7 season. Byu gets Utah at home, and
they play a TCU team who no longer has Andy Dalton at QB. Add in several easy
games against inferior opponents (Idaho, San Jose State, Utah State, New Mexico
State, Hawaii), and you have the makings of a potential 8 or 9 win season. But
it really will be nothing different than the days of the old WAC.
Ute Realist:Since you betray your screen name, here's a dose of Ute
reality: "no depth at qb"Uhh... mind telling us what backup qb's
the U has that have seen a down on the field? Don't worry you can't because they
haven't. "after he gets hit by some big boy" Wynn's missed 2 games
with a thumb injury and 1 game with a shoulder injury. At least it would take a
big boy to knock Heaps out. Oh and that WAC schedule you are trying
to make fun of: Utah's PAC 12 opponents had a combined record of 45-62 last
The South has been getting record heat this summer. I expect that will continue
through September. I fear that could be a huge factor in how BYU plays at Texas
and Ole Miss. In that kind of heat I doubt even pickle juice will spare the
players from cramping up big time.
Biggest let down in BYU history will be the Heap after he gets hit by some big
boy from Mississippi. No depth at qb. Can Riley Nelson come out to play? Should
be fun watching the train wreck as they start out 0-4. At least there is a WAC
schedule to boost the BYU spirits. Line up for Idaho. Utah will be the
superbowl of Lavell arena. Heaps came to BYU to see national championships.
Good thing BYU has an excellent ballroom dancing team and men's volleyball. Both
could win a NC and Heap can be front and center. Call a press conference!
I am a little confused why fans are still calling for Nelson. He clearly is a
good kid and a good athlete. But he is not a great QB by any stretch and he is
particularly not a good fit for the offense BYU is looking to install.We all know that the controversy last year was driven by ideology. That is in
the past. What I wonder about is whether that ideology still exists regarding
who the primary backup QB is. There is no doubt Lark and Munns were not close to
ready to compete last summer. But with a season under both is Nelson really a
better primary backup should Heaps go down for this offense? It seems that Lark
and Munns are both better equipped to run this offense and I would think they
are back to prime shape now. Are they even being given a chance to take the
backup role away from Nelson?
Blue02I was at the game and Hill literally gave up on the team and
completely stopped calling defensive plays. If that's not grounds for being
fired the next day, I don't know what is.As far as Anae being
replaced. Robert is a good guy, but he's had some horrendous lapses in judgement
-- the two-headed QB monster (Heaps should have started from day one), running
the ball from the 5-yard line against UCLA with almost no time left in the first
half of the Las Vegas Bowl, calling a passing play on 4th and short, instead
kicking a FG to go up by 9 at Utah, and sitting on the ball after Heaps had
moved BYU inside the 20 with still plenty of time to score a TD and seal the
deal at Utah -- just to cite a few examples.Bronco runs the BYU
football program like a good excutive would, hiring good assistants and then
trusting them to produce at a high level. When that doesn't happen, it's time
for a change.
WhatsInItForMeI completely agree tha Doman's play calling will be
the biggest single factor in BYU's success this year. I also think it will be
the biggest area of improvement. When my 80 year old mother could predict
almost every play that BYU was going to run, I promise you that other teams D
Cordinators had no problem doing that either. Position mastery is great but
when teams with good athletes (Florida St., TCU, even Utah) know exactly what's
coming, they will be successful in shutting it down.Anae's horrible
play calling against Utah last year was unforgiveable. He goes for the
touchdown on first and goal when we had a chip shot for a field goal and runs
the ball up the middle instead of running a play that would have given us a
beter chance to score. Then we drive to the Utah 35 on the final drive of the
game and he runs thte ball up the middle three more times rather than trying to
get into the end zone or getting in better field goal position. Unfortunately,
we all know what happened next. We won't see that happen again under Doman.
BYU will win 10+ games this year. Bank on it!Go Cougars!
BYU's success this year will ride more on Doman's ability to call plays than any
other SINGLE factor. That's a SINGLE factor I'm talking about.If
Doman can mix it up enough to keep opposing defenses off balance WEEK AFTER
WEEK, then BYU could go undefeated. The offensive talent and experience are that
solid this year. With Bronco at the defensive helm, no issues there.Of course, if key players get injured, that could change everything. BYU isn't
that deep (experienced) at certain positions, like QB, to take such a hit and go
undefeated.Here's too a successful start at Ole Miss (drink up on
that pickle juice, guys!).
@blu02We don't need fair-weather fans like u. Go cheer for the
aggies in Logan. As for me and my house, we will stay faithful to
BYU forever!Go Cougars!
I can't wait to see Heaps this year. He's going to be amazing and a great
Blue02Don't try to make us believe that you were ever a BYU or
Bronco fan because you obviously are an Aggie with no love or appreciation for
the Cougars. The fact is that the USU game was a critical turning point for BYU
and the coaching changes that took place after that game and after the season
not only have been and will be a huge benefit to the team, they were absolutely
necessary. It takes a great leader to make difficult decisions that are needed
for the organization to improve and move forward.Meanwhile, enjoy
last year's win. Maybe you'll be able to pull off another one in 17 more years!
SportsAuthorityGreat comment. You mentioned the free pass the Utes
were given by not having to play Oregon or Stanford but don't forget, they do
have to take on:Washington St. 2-10Washington. 7-6Oregon
St. 5-7Clearly Ute fans have no room to talk about BYU's schedule
this year since they don't exactly play the top four in the SEC West either.
You can bet the farm that Riley Nelson will be in on some plays this year...nice
option to have isn't it? Something Utah and Utah State can only dream of having.
Jordan Wynn goes down, and the Utes are gonners. Utah State? Who is their QB?
Oh, I forgot, he's now in Provo!
G-Swenz,Once you wake up, and realize you were dreaming, then you'll
have to digest a 30 point stomping that your Aggies will recieve...beat BYU in
Provo? That's a laugher...my prediction: 41-10 Cougs...take that to the bank.
I wonder how Riley Nelson will feel if the Ags win in Provo this year...
@The Rock:No - you are not nuts. At a very minimum, Riley Nelson
would be a great decoy if he were put in the offense for certain situations.
Lots of potential for some game deciding trick plays with him in the mix.
I wonder if Riley Nelson regrets the move to Provo ?
That last comment about Bronco 'allowing' his team to lose 4 of the first five
at the beginning is pure Harmon. That dude is getting blue skin from all the
kool-aid. He must not have been at the game up in Logan to see Bronco's
deer-in-headlights look as they got pelted by a team of second stringers.
Bronco LOST that team and had to throw a good man under the bus to right the
ship. I used to love Bronco, and would read every word written about him.
However, after the aforementioned incident and then hanging out all the
assistant's jobs over the Christmas break while he went to Hawaii on vacation
was an act of cowardice that made me hang up the Y hat until that fortuitous day
in the future when he is finally run out of town.
I think a good way to use Nelson would be if the offense stalls for a few
straight possesions for some reason, he could be a bit of a change of pace QB or
something. Just a thought.
We don't need to worry about playing Nelson, just let Heaps get comfortable and
have success and we will be fine. Bring Nelson in for mop up time and let him
get some time but don't make a big deal about him.
I recall watching BYU play either Washington or Washington State many years ago.
McMahan was QB and BYU was not having much success in moving the ball.Then a trick play...McMahan pitched the ball to Steve Young who
had lined up in the RB slot, he took a few steps then passed for a big gain.That broke the game open.Riley Nelson can run and throw the
ball. He is too talented to let him just languish on the bench. Move him to
running back and let him throw the ball once in a while.Okay, maybe
I am just nuts.
I'm still a big fan of Riley Nielson and hope that he can play in some form or
another this season. I wouldn't want the same two QB system, but it would be so
tough to stop if he could come in on short yardage or run plays. The guy is too
much of an athlete to keep on the bench.
"BYU should crow to much if they beat Ol Miss, it won't be like they played
the top 4 in the SEC West."Your right, it's just like utah
beating a 3-9 Michigan team in 2008.
Randy01It's funny how when Utah beat a "BCS" team in the
past, regardless of how mediocre that team was -- see Pittsburgh, North
Carolina, Michigan -- the Utes were out in force beating their chests about what
a great victory it was because it was a "BCS" team.Now,
suddenly, they're making excuses why BYU possibly beating three BCS teams --
Ole' Miss, Texas, and Oregon State -- all on the road, really wouldn't be that
big a deal.Gotta laugh at the hypocrisy!Of course, the
Utes will be crowing if they manage to win the pathetic PAC 12 South with its
strongest team crippled with sanctions.Just a reminder of the
stellar competition the Utes will be facing:USC (on probation)UCLA 4-8Arizona 7-6ASU 6-6Colorado 5-7Wow! Utah
will have to beat out ONE team that had a winning record last season, and the
Utes were given a free pass in the north by not having to play Oregon or
Stanford.Talk about a cake walk to the PAC 12 championship.
Let's see how they do against Texas and Miss before saying that they can't cover
every option. You never know what may happen. BYU should crow to
much if they beat Ol Miss, it won't be like they played the top 4 in the SEC
Jake Heaps is going to be very good. But I think his offensive weapons will
make him look even better than he really is. Hoffman, Apo and Quezada will be
the primary weapons. Throw in solid production from Jacobsen, DiLuigi, Kariya
and the TEs. This team will have a lot of games with 400+ yards of total
offense, and some over 500. The offensive line will give Heaps the time he
needs to find his targets and the holes the RB's need to find daylight.Even with stout defenses like Texas and TCU, I don't see how they can cover
every option.The only thing that will limit Heaps' total yardage is
that he may not be on the field in the fourth quarter againsts several of the
teams.I would still like to see Nelson in the game for a few plays
each week to run the wildcat. Defenses wouldn't know what him them.
I have high expectations for Heaps and this Cougar team, if Heaps can come out
and continue to improve over last yr, I only see 1 or 2 losses for the season.
There isn't a game we play this yr that we can't win. Games at Ol Miss &
Texas will be tough and hard but both are winnable. Utah is always tough (at
least they have been for about 10 yrs but I see the cougs winning by double
digits, TCU, Oregon St, and Hawaii will be tough too but again those games are
winnable and I would bet we will be favored in all of them except maybe TCU and
even that could be a toss up. This team has more depth and better athletes than
almost any team I can remember and that covers 50 + yrs. Should be an exciting