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Published: Friday, Aug. 5 2011 10:52 a.m. MDT

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

*'Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams kicked out over 'Colored People' letter' - BY HELEN KENNEDY - NY Daily News - 07/18/10

'A California radio host and leader of the Tea Party Express, Williams had labeled the Manhattan boro president a "Jewish Uncle Tom" and President Obama an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug."
But when he posted a satirical letter supposedly from "the Colored People" to President Lincoln praising slavery, that apparently crossed the line.'

...yay.

(Sarcasm off)

VST
Bountiful, UT

It can still hear Princess Pelosi's words in my head when she said back in April-May 2009 that the "grass roots" movement of the rising Tea Party was nothing more than "astro-turf." She is now the minority leader in the House instead of the Speaker because she grossly underestimated the resilience of that young "grass roots" movement.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'She is now the minority leader in the House...' - VST | 11:15 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011

Of which the majority makes up Republicans...

not the Tea Party.

and calling someone 'princess', just makes you look childish.

Still waiting for ANY Tea party canidate.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@VST

I actually think she underestimated the gullibility of the American people.

Petra
Sanpete County, UT

After this debt ceiling fiasco, the independent voters in "purple" states will not vote for anyone professing to be affiliated with or pandering to the tea party.

The original tea party people actually had some good ideas to begin with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big government. But, under the financial "guidance" from people like the Koch brothers, those original goals have been whittled down to one thing : get rid of all things government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your faces.

Just wait until these tea party folks realize how life would be without their Social Security and Medicare...

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Splitting the GOP is a good thing. Go tea party.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

The GOP has done well when it returns to its conservative, capitalistic, constitutional, small government roots. The Reagan revolution was a mirror of what the Tea Party is demanding today. The contract with America during the mid 1990's that brought back prosperity to our economy - in fact brought a boom of economic prosperity was basically based on a balanced budget bill. This false idea that driving down the middle of the road is better than staying to the right only results in head of collisions with traffic coming the other way and alot of crash and burn. Reagan always said that it was time for BOLD COLORS and not pale pastels. He was right. Bold colors is what the Tea Party is all about and it is going to take alot of bold and brave action to stand against the Obama "lap dog" media as well as the purple "Bob Bennett" republicans. Jon Hunstsman - like Bob Bennett - is finding it hard to drive down the middle of the road going forward and will find in 2012 that conservative and independent Americans don't want compromise with the radical left anymore.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagan | 11:29 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011
"and calling someone 'princess', just makes you look childish."

Finally something we can agree on. Pelosi is anything but a princess ...... especially after she got her wings clipped. If the Democrats were smart they'd elect someone else to represent them in the House.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Never block truth.

Just how does this Koch Brother's tea-party reshape the GOP, while both Koch Brother's cheer and the middle-class worry to death?. How can the real GOP wonder if the grass-roots movement will power Republicans to new victories in 2012, then try telling a [Tea Party] activist, (Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck plus Rush Limbaugh), that they're an agent of the Koch family and if they still allow the Koch Brother's monies to be stuffed into their pocket's it "WILL" dash them on the rocks of unbending ideology and out the door if caught. The billionaire brothers have funded and fostered the Tea Party movement as a well-disguised means to pursue their private political agenda. The Koch brothers are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, and much less oversight of industry especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers corporate interests. All while the rich play both ends of the candle and get filthy rich off of the Elderly and middle-class again. Koch Industries is a huge polluter and they wish to continue to foul our air and poison our groundwater without fine or government intervention.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Re: Pagan - 11:01 a.m.
yay.

(Sarcasm off)

Reply: If the shoe fits wear it I say. AND this is the 1st time I fully agree with you, well said. The original tea party people actually had some good ideas to begin with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big government. But, under the financial "guidance" from people like the Koch brothers, those original goals have been whittled down to one thing, get rid of all things government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your faces. Just wait until these tea party folks realize how life would be without their Social Security and Medicare. I guess you read my mind.

But don't expect a hug from me just yet.

;-)

Still Blue after all these years
Kaysville, UT

Wow, has everyone got this wrong. First the tea party is not for the "rich", they are a populous group trying to look out for the econonics of everyone. Still, too many Americans want the free ride and won't accept that we all have to sacrifice to get us out of this mess - mostly liberals and retired people. Had the tea party not come along, we'd have $18T in federal debt moving quickly to $25T and spending would continue out of control with no one trying to stop the complete insanity.

Not enough taxes has never been our problem; but too much unabated spending has been. And most of the rich do pay their fair share of taxes - the top 2% pay about 50% of the taxes collected and the top 10% pay about 90% of the taxes collected; so lets quit playing that silly game.

The FDR experiment lasted 80 years. It started with some nice goals but over the years has been so padded by increased benefits that it became a huge ponzi scheme and now it is tumbling to the ground. We need a new, better model now.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Splitting the GOP only gives the Democrats a win in any major election. You don't divide your forces in the face of stiff opposition and still expect to prevail.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Pagan,

I use that term because many times, she acts like she is a princess when she is not.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

jsf
Centerville, UT

The tea party has the Koch brothers, and the dems have George Soros. Who's money is running you.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Patriot sad: The Reagan revolution was a mirror of what the Tea Party is demanding today.

Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times.

President Ronald Reagan, raised taxes in 1982, 1983, and 1986.

Just two years after declaring, there is no justification for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period.

Yep, I see the it now...

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Pagan,I use that term because many times, she acts like she is a princess when she is not.' - VST | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011

Does she have glass slippers or on the Disney Ice-capades?

No. As such, your claim of 'princess' is only in your mind.

Pelosi dosen't 'act' like anything besides the former House speaker.

What example, do you set?

EJM
Herriman, UT

Now what the Democrats need to do is to articulate a message that will attract moderate Americans from all walks of life. How do they do that?

By taking ownership of a problem caused by both parties. An over expanding government with a debt out of control over a more than 50 year period. And, as part of that message a plan that will over a 15 year period (as an example) reduce the debt to next to nothing. Why that time period? Because to do otherwise would hurt the nation's economy. As part of this plan you also split the difference on the Bush tax cuts to help raise revenues. You articulate that all programs, including Medicare and Social Security and defense, are on the table for discussion.

As a politician you redefine the problem in a way that takes control over the issue. Right now the Tea Party has the loudest voice. With the media they will always look for a new angle to give the most amount of airtime to. Americans don't like immediate drastic change but a carefully articulated message for gradual change affecting all and why it's important will work.

VST
Bountiful, UT

I thought the following was an excellent perspective from Tom Brokaw on this past Sunday's "Meet the Press" about the Tea Party:

"I would say [this] about the Tea Party... They played by the rules of American politics. They got angry, they got organized, they got here, and they got what they wanted and they did it with discipline. Whether or not in the long-haul it is good for the larger universe, it is a very open question at this point.

"If you want to change Washington that is what you have to do. You have to get organized around your passions and your interests and you can't say as the Congressman [Raúl Labrador, (R)-ID] indicated earlier, 'I want you to cut [expenditures] but not my programs.'"

I agree with that perspective including his caveat about the "long-haul good for the larger universe."

KM
Cedar Hills, UT

Pagan

Princess Nancy is nothing more than a stark raving marxist with glass shoes on.
Remember when she got so upset about the tea party that, in tears, she said it reminded her of the radicals of the 60's. The real laugher is that those radicals were leftists like Obamas buddy, Bill Ayers.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

I'm going to have to sorta disagree with you there. The tea party has no credibility because they do not know anything about our monetary system and how it works.

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