Funny how Democrats are trying to claim Ronald Reagan, just like they claim Abe
Lincoln. Except for the periods of 1947-9 and 1953-5, the Democrats
controlled the House of Representatives (the ones tasked with writing a budget
bill) from 1931 through 1995. Much like during Obama's first two
years, during both FDR's and Carter's entire presidencies, the Democrats
controlled BOTH houses, and our nation saw it's lowest economic times.
Coincidence? I think not.The reason Moody's and Standard and Poor's
cut our bond rating is because of the increased debt and continued indication
that the US might default. Of course that threat of default came from Obama,
himself, as he continued his public "eat the rich" rhetoric after he
had met privately with the bankers and told them the US was NOT going to
default. The "debt limit bill" did not reduce spending by one dime. It
reduced anticipated future spending increases. Big difference.It's
all propaganda designed to incite. It's a continuation of the left's
class-warfare technique. Of course, now it's also the "Tea Party" (and
Jews again, overseas) under attack. This is like pot-heads blaming police for
Mexican drug cartel violence.
Sense when is it right or left to support a balance budget. Balancing the
budget is about as middle of the road as one can get. It is done in most
states, most cities, it is done by individual households, and all businesses
that are still in business. It is not partisan, it is not pr-union or
non-union, it is not republican, democrat or libertarian. So, why are the TEA
Party whose primary agenda this goal labeled extremist, right wing. If it
becomes "extreme right wing" to be fiscally responsible one of two
things will happen the demise of the party that is not or the end of the
country. Because while the nation can print as much money as it wants, it can
not make it worth anything when the country's economy can not support it.
I'm going to have to sorta disagree with you there. The tea party has no
credibility because they do not know anything about our monetary system and how
PaganPrincess Nancy is nothing more than a stark raving marxist with
glass shoes on.Remember when she got so upset about the tea party that, in
tears, she said it reminded her of the radicals of the 60's. The real laugher
is that those radicals were leftists like Obamas buddy, Bill Ayers.
Now what the Democrats need to do is to articulate a message that will attract
moderate Americans from all walks of life. How do they do that? By
taking ownership of a problem caused by both parties. An over expanding
government with a debt out of control over a more than 50 year period. And, as
part of that message a plan that will over a 15 year period (as an example)
reduce the debt to next to nothing. Why that time period? Because to do
otherwise would hurt the nation's economy. As part of this plan you also split
the difference on the Bush tax cuts to help raise revenues. You articulate that
all programs, including Medicare and Social Security and defense, are on the
table for discussion. As a politician you redefine the problem in a
way that takes control over the issue. Right now the Tea Party has the loudest
voice. With the media they will always look for a new angle to give the most
amount of airtime to. Americans don't like immediate drastic change but a
carefully articulated message for gradual change affecting all and why it's
important will work.
'Pagan,I use that term because many times, she acts like she is a princess when
she is not.' - VST | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Does she have glass
slippers or on the Disney Ice-capades? No. As such, your claim of
'princess' is only in your mind. Pelosi dosen't 'act' like anything
besides the former House speaker. What example, do you set?
Patriot sad: The Reagan revolution was a mirror of what the Tea Party is
demanding today.Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times.President Ronald Reagan, raised taxes in 1982, 1983, and 1986.Just
two years after declaring, there is no justification for taxing corporate
income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed
corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period. Yep, I see the it now...
The tea party has the Koch brothers, and the dems have George Soros. Who's
money is running you.
Splitting the GOP only gives the Democrats a win in any major election. You
don't divide your forces in the face of stiff opposition and still expect to
Wow, has everyone got this wrong. First the tea party is not for the
"rich", they are a populous group trying to look out for the econonics
of everyone. Still, too many Americans want the free ride and won't accept
that we all have to sacrifice to get us out of this mess - mostly liberals and
retired people. Had the tea party not come along, we'd have $18T in federal
debt moving quickly to $25T and spending would continue out of control with no
one trying to stop the complete insanity. Not enough taxes has
never been our problem; but too much unabated spending has been. And most of
the rich do pay their fair share of taxes - the top 2% pay about 50% of the
taxes collected and the top 10% pay about 90% of the taxes collected; so lets
quit playing that silly game. The FDR experiment lasted 80 years.
It started with some nice goals but over the years has been so padded by
increased benefits that it became a huge ponzi scheme and now it is tumbling to
the ground. We need a new, better model now.
Re: Pagan - 11:01 a.m.yay.(Sarcasm off) Reply:
If the shoe fits wear it I say. AND this is the 1st time I fully agree with you,
well said. The original tea party people actually had some good ideas to begin
with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big government. But,
under the financial "guidance" from people like the Koch brothers,
those original goals have been whittled down to one thing, get rid of all things
government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your faces. Just wait
until these tea party folks realize how life would be without their Social
Security and Medicare. I guess you read my mind.But don't expect a
hug from me just yet.;-)
Never block truth.Just how does this Koch Brother's tea-party
reshape the GOP, while both Koch Brother's cheer and the middle-class worry to
death?. How can the real GOP wonder if the grass-roots movement will power
Republicans to new victories in 2012, then try telling a [Tea Party] activist,
(Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck plus Rush Limbaugh), that they're an agent of the
Koch family and if they still allow the Koch Brother's monies to be stuffed
into their pocket's it "WILL" dash them on the rocks of unbending
ideology and out the door if caught. The billionaire brothers have funded and
fostered the Tea Party movement as a well-disguised means to pursue their
private political agenda. The Koch brothers are longtime libertarians who
believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, and much less
oversight of industry especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail
with the brothers corporate interests. All while the rich play both ends of
the candle and get filthy rich off of the Elderly and middle-class again. Koch
Industries is a huge polluter and they wish to continue to foul our air and
poison our groundwater without fine or government intervention.
Re: Pagan | 11:29 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011 "and calling someone 'princess',
just makes you look childish."Finally something we can agree
on. Pelosi is anything but a princess ...... especially after she got her wings
clipped. If the Democrats were smart they'd elect someone else to represent
them in the House.
The GOP has done well when it returns to its conservative, capitalistic,
constitutional, small government roots. The Reagan revolution was a mirror of
what the Tea Party is demanding today. The contract with America during the mid
1990's that brought back prosperity to our economy - in fact brought a boom of
economic prosperity was basically based on a balanced budget bill. This false
idea that driving down the middle of the road is better than staying to the
right only results in head of collisions with traffic coming the other way and
alot of crash and burn. Reagan always said that it was time for BOLD COLORS and
not pale pastels. He was right. Bold colors is what the Tea Party is all about
and it is going to take alot of bold and brave action to stand against the Obama
"lap dog" media as well as the purple "Bob Bennett"
republicans. Jon Hunstsman - like Bob Bennett - is finding it hard to drive down
the middle of the road going forward and will find in 2012 that conservative and
independent Americans don't want compromise with the radical left anymore.
Splitting the GOP is a good thing. Go tea party.
After this debt ceiling fiasco, the independent voters in "purple"
states will not vote for anyone professing to be affiliated with or pandering to
the tea party. The original tea party people actually had some good
ideas to begin with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big
government. But, under the financial "guidance" from people like the
Koch brothers, those original goals have been whittled down to one thing : get
rid of all things government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your
faces.Just wait until these tea party folks realize how life would
be without their Social Security and Medicare...
@VSTI actually think she underestimated the gullibility of the
'She is now the minority leader in the House...' - VST | 11:15 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011
Of which the majority makes up Republicans... not the
Tea Party. and calling someone 'princess', just makes you look
childish. Still waiting for ANY Tea party canidate.
*'Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams kicked out over 'Colored People'
letter' - BY HELEN KENNEDY - NY Daily News - 07/18/10 'A California
radio host and leader of the Tea Party Express, Williams had labeled the
Manhattan boro president a "Jewish Uncle Tom" and President Obama an
"Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug."But when he posted a
satirical letter supposedly from "the Colored People" to President
Lincoln praising slavery, that apparently crossed the line.'
...yay. (Sarcasm off)