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As tea party reshapes GOP, some cheer, some worry

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  • ComSen1 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Funny how Democrats are trying to claim Ronald Reagan, just like they claim Abe Lincoln.

    Except for the periods of 1947-9 and 1953-5, the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives (the ones tasked with writing a budget bill) from 1931 through 1995.

    Much like during Obama's first two years, during both FDR's and Carter's entire presidencies, the Democrats controlled BOTH houses, and our nation saw it's lowest economic times. Coincidence? I think not.

    The reason Moody's and Standard and Poor's cut our bond rating is because of the increased debt and continued indication that the US might default. Of course that threat of default came from Obama, himself, as he continued his public "eat the rich" rhetoric after he had met privately with the bankers and told them the US was NOT going to default. The "debt limit bill" did not reduce spending by one dime. It reduced anticipated future spending increases. Big difference.

    It's all propaganda designed to incite. It's a continuation of the left's class-warfare technique. Of course, now it's also the "Tea Party" (and Jews again, overseas) under attack. This is like pot-heads blaming police for Mexican drug cartel violence.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    Sense when is it right or left to support a balance budget. Balancing the budget is about as middle of the road as one can get. It is done in most states, most cities, it is done by individual households, and all businesses that are still in business. It is not partisan, it is not pr-union or non-union, it is not republican, democrat or libertarian. So, why are the TEA Party whose primary agenda this goal labeled extremist, right wing. If it becomes "extreme right wing" to be fiscally responsible one of two things will happen the demise of the party that is not or the end of the country. Because while the nation can print as much money as it wants, it can not make it worth anything when the country's economy can not support it.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    I'm going to have to sorta disagree with you there. The tea party has no credibility because they do not know anything about our monetary system and how it works.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Pagan

    Princess Nancy is nothing more than a stark raving marxist with glass shoes on.
    Remember when she got so upset about the tea party that, in tears, she said it reminded her of the radicals of the 60's. The real laugher is that those radicals were leftists like Obamas buddy, Bill Ayers.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Now what the Democrats need to do is to articulate a message that will attract moderate Americans from all walks of life. How do they do that?

    By taking ownership of a problem caused by both parties. An over expanding government with a debt out of control over a more than 50 year period. And, as part of that message a plan that will over a 15 year period (as an example) reduce the debt to next to nothing. Why that time period? Because to do otherwise would hurt the nation's economy. As part of this plan you also split the difference on the Bush tax cuts to help raise revenues. You articulate that all programs, including Medicare and Social Security and defense, are on the table for discussion.

    As a politician you redefine the problem in a way that takes control over the issue. Right now the Tea Party has the loudest voice. With the media they will always look for a new angle to give the most amount of airtime to. Americans don't like immediate drastic change but a carefully articulated message for gradual change affecting all and why it's important will work.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    'Pagan,I use that term because many times, she acts like she is a princess when she is not.' - VST | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011

    Does she have glass slippers or on the Disney Ice-capades?

    No. As such, your claim of 'princess' is only in your mind.

    Pelosi dosen't 'act' like anything besides the former House speaker.

    What example, do you set?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Patriot sad: The Reagan revolution was a mirror of what the Tea Party is demanding today.

    Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times.

    President Ronald Reagan, raised taxes in 1982, 1983, and 1986.

    Just two years after declaring, there is no justification for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period.

    Yep, I see the it now...

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    The tea party has the Koch brothers, and the dems have George Soros. Who's money is running you.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Splitting the GOP only gives the Democrats a win in any major election. You don't divide your forces in the face of stiff opposition and still expect to prevail.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    Wow, has everyone got this wrong. First the tea party is not for the "rich", they are a populous group trying to look out for the econonics of everyone. Still, too many Americans want the free ride and won't accept that we all have to sacrifice to get us out of this mess - mostly liberals and retired people. Had the tea party not come along, we'd have $18T in federal debt moving quickly to $25T and spending would continue out of control with no one trying to stop the complete insanity.

    Not enough taxes has never been our problem; but too much unabated spending has been. And most of the rich do pay their fair share of taxes - the top 2% pay about 50% of the taxes collected and the top 10% pay about 90% of the taxes collected; so lets quit playing that silly game.

    The FDR experiment lasted 80 years. It started with some nice goals but over the years has been so padded by increased benefits that it became a huge ponzi scheme and now it is tumbling to the ground. We need a new, better model now.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 5, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Re: Pagan - 11:01 a.m.
    yay.

    (Sarcasm off)

    Reply: If the shoe fits wear it I say. AND this is the 1st time I fully agree with you, well said. The original tea party people actually had some good ideas to begin with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big government. But, under the financial "guidance" from people like the Koch brothers, those original goals have been whittled down to one thing, get rid of all things government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your faces. Just wait until these tea party folks realize how life would be without their Social Security and Medicare. I guess you read my mind.

    But don't expect a hug from me just yet.

    ;-)

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Never block truth.

    Just how does this Koch Brother's tea-party reshape the GOP, while both Koch Brother's cheer and the middle-class worry to death?. How can the real GOP wonder if the grass-roots movement will power Republicans to new victories in 2012, then try telling a [Tea Party] activist, (Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck plus Rush Limbaugh), that they're an agent of the Koch family and if they still allow the Koch Brother's monies to be stuffed into their pocket's it "WILL" dash them on the rocks of unbending ideology and out the door if caught. The billionaire brothers have funded and fostered the Tea Party movement as a well-disguised means to pursue their private political agenda. The Koch brothers are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, and much less oversight of industry especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers corporate interests. All while the rich play both ends of the candle and get filthy rich off of the Elderly and middle-class again. Koch Industries is a huge polluter and they wish to continue to foul our air and poison our groundwater without fine or government intervention.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Re: Pagan | 11:29 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011
    "and calling someone 'princess', just makes you look childish."

    Finally something we can agree on. Pelosi is anything but a princess ...... especially after she got her wings clipped. If the Democrats were smart they'd elect someone else to represent them in the House.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    The GOP has done well when it returns to its conservative, capitalistic, constitutional, small government roots. The Reagan revolution was a mirror of what the Tea Party is demanding today. The contract with America during the mid 1990's that brought back prosperity to our economy - in fact brought a boom of economic prosperity was basically based on a balanced budget bill. This false idea that driving down the middle of the road is better than staying to the right only results in head of collisions with traffic coming the other way and alot of crash and burn. Reagan always said that it was time for BOLD COLORS and not pale pastels. He was right. Bold colors is what the Tea Party is all about and it is going to take alot of bold and brave action to stand against the Obama "lap dog" media as well as the purple "Bob Bennett" republicans. Jon Hunstsman - like Bob Bennett - is finding it hard to drive down the middle of the road going forward and will find in 2012 that conservative and independent Americans don't want compromise with the radical left anymore.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Splitting the GOP is a good thing. Go tea party.

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    After this debt ceiling fiasco, the independent voters in "purple" states will not vote for anyone professing to be affiliated with or pandering to the tea party.

    The original tea party people actually had some good ideas to begin with - get out from under big banks, big corporations and big government. But, under the financial "guidance" from people like the Koch brothers, those original goals have been whittled down to one thing : get rid of all things government, even if it will cut off your noses to spite your faces.

    Just wait until these tea party folks realize how life would be without their Social Security and Medicare...

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    @VST

    I actually think she underestimated the gullibility of the American people.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    'She is now the minority leader in the House...' - VST | 11:15 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011

    Of which the majority makes up Republicans...

    not the Tea Party.

    and calling someone 'princess', just makes you look childish.

    Still waiting for ANY Tea party canidate.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    *'Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams kicked out over 'Colored People' letter' - BY HELEN KENNEDY - NY Daily News - 07/18/10

    'A California radio host and leader of the Tea Party Express, Williams had labeled the Manhattan boro president a "Jewish Uncle Tom" and President Obama an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug."
    But when he posted a satirical letter supposedly from "the Colored People" to President Lincoln praising slavery, that apparently crossed the line.'

    ...yay.

    (Sarcasm off)