@UBOUND"The way everybody is talking, it seems that "Wynn"
is the only QB in camp"Ummmm.....did you watch the spring game?
Even though Wynn didn't play he was still the best QB in camp. Shreve and the
other guy were horrendous. If Shreve has to start at QB this year you can mark
it down, Utah loses every game.
The way everybody is talking, it seems that "Wynn" is the only QB in
camp. NOT!He might have been ok in the mwc,but the PAC12 is another story. The
Shreve kid is #2 on the chart and has a tremendous upside. 6'4", 225 lbs.
rocket arm and he can run(which Wynn can't--or won't). Lets not be too hasty in
awarding the incumbent the starting job just yet. If anybody took a look at the
summer workouts in july like I did, you would have seen the fact that Wynn is
not near ready. The real question is can he take the beating that goes with
playing in the PAC12. I dont think so.
@ute4ever"Wynn was injured, then reinjured in the BYU game"Sounds like Wynn always gets hurt in the BYU game. Maybe he should sit
this one out to avoid making it 3 yrs in a row. I'm sure his Mom can give him a
note or something. Maybe she can write that he's wearing his church pants that
day and can't get them dirty or he'll be in big trouble.
@RichN"BYU's greatest Offensive coordinator now working for their
biggest rival?"Beg your pardon RichN, but Norm Chow isn't BYU's
greatest Offensive Coordinator. The greatest was Doug Scovil and it's not even
close or debatable.
I am just excited to see the new offense work and be at the first game. Can't
"He has since been cleared to do so, however, and has spent the summer
increasing his range while getting 100 percent healthy.Although Wynn
will see limited duty early in camp for precautionary reasons"Bad news embedded in those 2 lines. I've heard from others that earlier this
summer Wynn was struggling to throw the ball 40 yds. I haven't heard any reports
of improvement as the summer has gone on. Now we read in this article that
they're holding him back in the beginning of fall camp.It will be
devastating news if he isn't fully recovered and able to go 100% this season.
Without him at the helm 6-6 will seem like a dream season and just beating
Western Montana Tech will be a challenge in the first game.This is
bad news indeed....
re: Black & BlueYou are right that last years option was a
shotgun air attack. But with no running quarterback, the running game is
nothing more than a fullback dive every time. EVERYONE knew Wynn wasn't
running...and if he did, he wouldn't go far. He didn't require a defender's
sole focus. That means the defense is up a guy. The whole spread system relies
on a running quarterback that, in theory, gives the offense 1 more guy than the
defense has to commit...giving them an advantage. That advantage is taken away
without a running quarterback. The run option, which is what was run 95% of the
time, didn't have an option so the entire defense focused on the RB. With no
fullback to block, it was up to the RB for all of his yards. Bad system.Wynn was injured, then reinjured in the BYU game. The reinjury..plus
knowing the Utes would need him next year in their innagural PAC12
campaign....it all adds up if you know the facts.However, if you
think a freshman will replace a 3 year starter, your intelligence doesn't even
merit a response.
I am not buying the "why fix something that is not broke" argument.
Our offense last season was awful when it counted most. A meaningless touchdown
vs. TCU, a field goal at Notre Dame, and a field goal vs. Bozo. Of course the
offense needed to be fixed, and I applaud Kyle for making the move.
Good thing BYU and Utah are parting conferences!! BYU's greatest Offensive
coordinator now working for their biggest rival? OK Mendenhall, better come up
williary,See I would agree with you, if we all had not already seen
Wynn play last season. His second year at the helm was really disappointing.
People can say it was because of the offense he was running (Spread), but I dont
remember ever seeing the triple option or QB draws, so it was not a true spread,
more of a shotgun balanced air attack. The spread usually features a dual
threat QB. (See Oregon, Auburn, ect.) Some might say it was because of
an injury he sustained early on, which is just making excuses, I mean if he had
suffered through the injury all season long, what was the point of him sitting
out of the Boise State game? Not adding up. In my opinion, Wynn is
not a bad Qb, but he doesn't have the tools to take the Utes to the next level.
I am sure he will have a decent season, but he will have to be a real leader
with all the new inexperienced players around him, and I just dont think he
is.Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this Travis Wilson kid
starts as a Freshman next year.
Exactly what ute4ever said.
Something just looks odd in the attached photo-oh, it's the colors norm is
wearing. Well, one never knows I guess...
Wrinkles? I'm not an expert by any means, but going from the spread to a 2 WR,
TE, and 2 RB set is a little bit more than a "wrinkle", isn't it?
Yes, Wynn will be under center more...true. But in the spring Red/White game
that I attended, the offense didn't look much the same as what I remember with
3-4 WR sets last year. You'll hear the coaches (Roderick last said it) that the
Utes never had a 4 WR set last year. However, they used their TE more like a WR
than a traditional TE and lined him in the slot....so in essense they had 4 WR's
out there.I'm still a bit wary of the system itself. CollegeFB goes
in cycles. The Utes/Urban lead the spread craze, now they are going back. I
think the spread has led more defenses to go to smaller, faster guys. I'm
hoping the adjustment to smashmouth football again will combat that as
linebackers that are now 210 lbs (as opposed to 240 15 years ago) won't be able
to stop the power game Utah will be running. Time will tell!
@Vegas, I don't see how bringing in Chow is any more of a risk than any other
collegiate OC Whit could have brought in. In fact, I'd say he's MUCH LESS of a
risk than most options.
I think that Utah can hold their own through the first part of the season, but
the question lingers as to how long. I listen to 1280 the Zone quite a bit and I
recall an interview with Norm Chow that said outside of the starting 5 on the
offensive line there isn't a lot of depth on Utah's O-line. Utah has always had
athletic WRs and decent RBs but their achilles heel has been their O-line depth
and their QB, not good places to have weakness on offense. If Utah's
O-line can stay healthy and Jordan Wynn can avoid mistakes the Utes will be
okay, but even if they do all stay healthy, can they play the whole game without
rotating? What if there are injuries? I think that would be the scariest thing
to me as a Utah fan. The RBs will be decent as well but how quickly will they
get up to playing at D-1 speed, particularly Pac-12 D-1 speed? Utah might
survive on offense this year, but might is the key word in that sentence.
@BalanHe's been pretty outspoken about other positions. Yesterday
when talking about not having a RB whose taken a D1 carry, his exact words were
"pretty scary huh!" When talking about the O-Line, he's maintained
that they have a good starting group but are very thin after that.Since Spring he's been very high on Wynn and his ability to play the mental
part of the game. Listening to him be very candid on other issues, I see no
reason to not believe him.
"Norm Chow has work to do..."That's an understatement.
You don't really think that the Pac 10 added Utah to improve the strength of the
conference did you? The 12th team just allows them to have a championship game
and earn more $$ for the real strength in the conference. Exhibit #1 that they
weren't looking to improve the strength of the conference is that they offered
the 11th spot to Colorado...before settling for Utah at 12.If Utah
could only win 6 conference championships in 60 years in the WAC/MWC, what makes
you think that they will step into the Pac and win the title?
The real question is what is the state of Chow's coaching? Was UCLA just a
slump or was it the beginning of the end for Norm Chow? Utah took a huge gamble
by hiring him.
I am still concerned about Wynn. Not because I don't think he is a good QB but
because with inexperienced O-Linemen and RB's, he might have too much pressure
placed on his shoulders. I also hope they can find a solid backup QB on their
roster and get him a few reps during fall camp.
So what is Chow going to say - that Wynn stinks???Wynn is going to
have to be the leader of this team and carry them into the PAC12 and I am not
convinced he can do it. Only time will tell.
Can't wait to see Chow's offense on the field although I understand that going
from a 7.5 to a 10 might not happen overnight --ie Utes fans should be patient.
If you've listend to Chow speak since coming on campus, what's interesting is
that he really is not concerned about the QB position. He is very comfortable
with Wynn and thinks he'll be very good. Limiting his throws to start camp
proves that. Now RB and OL, Chow continually brings those areas up
as places they need to have guys step up at.
Since his arrival as an assistant at Utah, Chow has added some wrinkles to the
offensePoor choice of words. ;)
As a long time BYU fan and having known Norm at BYU, I wish him, Coach
Whittingham, nothing but the best. I am also excited to see Independence come
to BYU. Should be a great time to support both excellent programs.
I'm very wary of my fellow BYU fans who underestimate Wynn's effectiveness since
his injury. I do hope Bronco and the Cougs will not make the same mistake. I
would love to see the 9/17 game be Utah's only loss. It'll be interesting to
see what happens though. Go Cougs! Go Utes! May the better team wins...and
we'll soon find out.
Limiting Wynn to 100 throws per day is a good idea. You don't want to
re-aggravate the injury. What if Chow and Whitt are smarter than us all and
Wynn being limited in the Fall practice is also a good way to get a backup ready
should he go down? Whitt always is thinking one step ahead. Having Chow at Utah
is going to be great. Can't wait until Fall Camp opens up today. Go