This season hangs on whether or not Wynn gets the job done or not. If he runs
for cover we are done for. Probably Whits worst recruit for QB at Utah. I would
love to be wrong but then Wynn would actually have to grow a spine and play like
a man instead of a scared little boy with his head down and wondering why
everything has gone so wrong. Come on Wynn its time to show your stuff.If
Bird doesn't start at strong safety something is just plain fishy. He made way
to many big plays last year to not get the call this yearI can't wait to
see how good our running game will be. Three different styles..... speed, hard
nose running and brute punishing power. Should give the defenses a lot a
different looks to think about.
Will Jordan Wynn return to form?Yes, but don't try and stress it out too
early.What about Norm Chow and the revamped offense?What about
it? Norm is a successful coach. He knows how to win.Who will be the
new starters in the secondary?This is a good question. Hopefully another
Blechin appears.Who will top the depth chart at running back?What a great problem to have with 3 awesome backs. As much as I don't like to
say it, maybe red shirting Langi might be the best thing to do. Give him a year
in the program with the other 2 rock.Are the Utes equipped to play
in a BCS conference?I don't think that there is a better team out there to
join a BCS conference... well, maybe only Boise St. Cause TCU has already agreed
to join the hapless Big lEast. What a dream for TCU, they get to annually go to
a BCS game.
Everyone worried about Jordan Wynn? No backup qb with experience. Which college
programs have experienced backups? More worried about the offensive line. If the
line can gel, Utah will be good. I know the defense will be solid. Our defensive
line is strong and quick so there will always be pressure on the qb. Our
linebackers are stud athletes.
It will be interesting to see if infact the Utes have a game changer at the wr
position.Anthony Denham6'6 2164.4 40Offers
KamUte,I agree with you about the Oline. ( it would be nice if the
Dnews would update the status of Bengi??!?)CB is a biiiig question
mark. Conroy Black has a lot to prove.It sounds like Utah has a
legitimate shot at landing two Compton Cali CB athletes who could start next
year. Alphonso Marsh 6'3 4.3 40Brando Beaver 6'1 4.3 40
"Probably Whits worst recruit for QB at Utah"A little
harsh, who did he recruit at QB that was better?As a starter Wynn is
11 and 4 with wins over Cal, Pit and Iowa state all BCS Schools. The utes have a
93% succuess rate in the redzone with Wynn at the helm. Poinsetta
bowl MVP, his performance against Cal speaks for itself. I'm not one
who beleives his problems at the end of last year we're completely injury
related, but theres a reason Utah shelled our half a mill for an OC. Let's face it an injury that requires surgery on a throwing arm and a 6 month
recovery is bound to have an affect on a QB's game.
Good luck to Whit and the Utes. I hope BYU is the only loss they suffer this
year. But lets be honest about the challenging week in, week out BCS
schedule--Washington State, Colorado, Arizona State. It's true they may be
better than Wyoming and New Mexico, but come on. Never-the-less, this tru-blue
cougar is with you all the way, almost.
Overall, Utah's good enough that if the answer to each of these questions is
that the play / coaching in each of these areas is solid, they should be in
contention for the top spot in the south division. In my opinion, the biggest
question marks are: Will Wynn stay healthy and perform at his best level. He has
been good when those around him are good enough to spread the pressure around.
No other QB has not been in the Ute program for a season-no backup experience.
Will the offensive personnel be able to execute Chow's offense with precision
and timing. Chow's offenses have been successful with the right personnel in the
past but they haven't looked very good in some cases either. Norm Chow was an
innovator at BYU. He was on the cutting edge of a new offensive philosophy. Now
his offensive style is used throughout D1 football and defenses are familiar
with it. I don't think they will be bad. It remains to be seen if they are
average or good.
Dirk.Thanks for the article on the Utes. I try and appreciate all
efforts in writing about the upcoming season. But having said that, I am SO
tired of the above subject getting reworded over and over. We know that Wynn is
coming back from injury, we know that Chow is going to implement a new scheme,
we know that there are questions in the secondary...How about an
article informing us of things we don't know. Is McGill on campus yet? What are
the chances that we see Benji eligible? If this article felt easy
to write, it's probably because you already have.
The five things I'll be looking for on September 17.1. A wide open
BYU TE going up the middle catching a perfectly thrown ball by Heaps while two
Ute defenders collide with each other leading to a dramatic BYU TD. (i.e.
2009)2. A wide open BYU TE, on his knees, in the end zone catching
a perfectly thrown ball from Heaps. (i.e 2006, The answered prayer)3. BYU going for it on 4th and 18. ESPN capturing it, for the entire nation,
as cheers explode from LES. (i.e. 2007, Magic happens)4. With 1:16
remaining, Quezada taking a pitch from Heaps and busting his way up the sideline
to pay dirt and a definitive BYU victory. (i.e. 2001)5. Or perhaps
just a good ole fashioned thumping where BYU holds a 63-10 lead in the fourth
quarter before sending in the 5th stringer to let U score a few points. (i.e.
1989)Too bad I could only include five, because I would have liked
to include Lavelle's Last Miracle (i.e. 2000) and The Doink (i.e. 1998)I can't wait for the season to begin. Go Cougs!
timmins,Totally agree.Dirk, going forward, try to stay
away from these worn out stories1. Can Utah compete in the PAC122. Can Wynn stay healthy3. Anything compairing a BCS program to a non AQ
As a few above have referenced, this article misses likely the biggest issue
facing the Utes -- Offensive line depth. If the spring game showed anything, it
showed that the offensive line's depth is not stellar. If the Utes can stay
healthy along the o-line, they will have a shot to be good -- 8-4? If they have
injuries, it could be a very long year. It will also be interesting to see if
the o-linemen recruited for a spread offense are able to adapt to the downhill
running game and Chow's new schemes.The other thing the article
leaves out is overall depth. If the Utes have a few weeks missing key players -
there is no New Mexico game or Wyoming game to cushion the blow. CougFaninTX - why so fixated on the U? You know that the BYU game is Utah's
10th or 11th most important game this year right? Just another warm up
pre-season game. The rivalry is fading, worry about Ole Miss and Texas first -
plenty to think about there. I enjoy the cute names you have given to each of
BYU's wins over Utah. Are those the titles you use in your scrapbook?
"Although Whittingham declined to establish a timetable to sort things out
on the depth chart, he acknowledged there's probably not enough carries for
three running backs."Why not? BYU did it last year, and
generally BYU relies much more on the pass than Utah does (although admittedly
BYU was more run-heavy than usual this past season). If he wanted to, I'm sure
Coach Wittingham could find a way to use all three in case they come out of fall
camp with no clear-cut leader. There seems to be a healthy supply of good
running backs in the state.I believe the Utes will go 8-4 and
possibly 9-3 with losses coming from a combination of USC, BYU, OSU, ASU, Pitt,
and maybe AZ. If Wynn does not get back to his game or is not healthy (probably
the Utes' worst nightmare at this point), Utah will lose more than that.In a few years the Utes will likely be contenders every year (also
depends on if other PAC teams step it up), and I hope they go undefeated 11-1
(losing on Sept. 17).
hh,not looking good on Benji or Po'u. At least, thats what has been
reported. Too bad, both are NFL-talents. Hopefully, a miracle can
happen. We could sure use them for depth purposes.
I think Utah will make a BIG LEAP into the national spotlight with this move to
the Pac12. Just like Arizona State and Arizona did back in the late 1960's.
Happy for the U.
BYU will be an especially dangerous opponent on September 17. That is their
bowl game; the pinnacle of their season. From there on out its down hill, with
most fans looking forward to basketball season opening in October.
Hay CougFaninTX, way to go back and dig deep. I understand, you had to. BYU is
only 4-6 in the last 10 games against the Utes, including the last one. Even
the games you referenced are kind of amusing. Utah needed a blocked field goal
last year, but typically Utah has just been dominating in wins over BYU, while
BYU typically needs a miracle to beat the Utes.
Coug fan in Tx. Awesome post, and I understand your affinity for the 5
plays you mentioned. I still have a "tackling..your doing it wrong"
poster. But, the TUN has about as many memories going the other way. I still
don't like the numbers 34 and 31. Hope we get another BYU memory on 9-17. hedge,You saying anything about the "same old anything"
is extremely hypocritical. You say the same 2 or 3 things on evey BYU article
that is published. Please! take your own advice?
TJ,does your poster actually say "tackling.....your doing it
wrong?" If so, I want to make a poster with a picture of your poster that
says "Grammar....YOU'RE doing it wrong"lol, I know, I
know, grammar smack is lame. Just know that you are one of my favorite BYU fans
around here and I appreciate your posts. You, riverton coug, and Kyle loves BYU
(who hasn't posted here in some time) are an example of how coug fans should be.
Flintrock--I don't think we have to worry about Jordan "running for
cover." He's 11-4 as a starter and probably has more guts than your entire
family put together. Tough kid who has dealt with a lot. He is a JR btw. You
know, sometimes QB's begin to come alive in their Jr. year. It's called
progressing as a player. Jordan could take the next step and become a premiere
qb or the injury and inability to stay healthy might hamper him. But let's not
take away from what this kid has accomplished in the past two years. Do you have
any Poinsettia Trophies over your fireplace. I thought not.
Jordan Wynn healthy or not, still has no heart, or spine. He got away with
throwing the ball off his back foot running away in the MWC, but won't get away
with it in the PAC. Norm has to figure out how to get the other 2 QB's ready
ASAP. I think Norm will do very well coaching at Utah because K-Whit will let
him do as he pleases on the play calls, unlike UCLA making him do what they
wanted and not letting him have free reins to do what he wanted to do. Utah D is
usually good no matter what, but I'm not so sure this year. Not having any clear
cut corners, or safeties. Moving Blechin to LB is a mistake. He is the Troy
Polamalu of college football and needs to be free to just make big plays. No
clear cut receiving core either? OL? I hope they make it to .500 this year. I
think this is the worst year for the Utes to join the Pac unfortunately with
Wynn at the helm and no one to bail him out all the time. Good luck Utes!
One big thing going for Jordan Wynn this year: he is 21 years old. That means a
year more mature in decisions, stature, leadership. It's nice to have the
opener a nice warm-up game since most opening games are the ugliest, riddled
with penalties and miscues. Then the real opener is the next week at USC where
our team gets to show everyone who they really are this year and show if they
will be contenders in the PAC-12 or not.Can't wait!BTW,
update for those asking is McGill is on campus (woohoo!) but Benji and Po'u are
not and it isn't looking good for them.
I have to post some reality to the coug fan in tx: Utah has owned by all time
and in all recent history. Here are the real facts:All time utah
leads 54-34Last 20 years utah leads 11-9, outscoring BYU 508pts to
487ptsLast 10 years utah leads 6-4 (ouch)outscoring BYU 259pts to
201pts (OUCH!)So the Facts prove that utah dominates - all time (if
you care about ancient history), - over the last 20 years (if you care about
reality), - and BIG TIME over the last 10 years (if you care about relevance -
two undefeted seasons).I know it hurts.How old are all
you BYU fans on this website? I often wonder where in the world Y fans would
ever come up with the outragous clam that BYU owns Utah?
re: 2020 "Hay CougFaninTX, way to go back and dig deep. I understand,
you had to. BYU is only 4-6 in the last 10 games against the Utes, including the
last one. Even the games you referenced are kind of amusing. Utah needed a
blocked field goal last year, but typically Utah has just been dominating in
wins over BYU, while BYU typically needs a miracle to beat the Utes."BYU has won 3 of the last 5 if you like current statistics. And you've
only had two wins in the last 15 years that have been by more than a touchdown
('04 and '08). Is that your definition of "dominating in wins over
BYU"?Since 1987 the series is tied at 12 - 12. Regardless of
what any of us say, and the bantering that goes on between us - this has been a
great series since the late '80s.
I see a lot of great opportunities for some fine young athletes. If the coaches
can get them ready (and I believe they will) and the players play to their full
potential ( and I believe they will), the Utes will be just fine. We won't
likely win every game, but we will be competitive in all of them and will win
enough to prove we belong in the PAC-12. I'm excited for camp to start tomorrow
and I'm excited for September 1st. See you at the games!!
BGL: So is Wynn your brother, son or cousin? Can we be truthful here. He really
should be a d-3 QB. To small and puny. He dinged his shoulder in Spring ball two
years ago when he feel down during the no hit scrimmage game. Should be a diver
on the Chinese Olympic team not a D-1 QB.Best win so far... Cal in
Poinsettia Bowl..That's who we thought we were gettingIowa State...who
caresPitt... they were terrible last yearAll bashing aside....
I hope he comes through and we have a great year. I would love for him to prove
@forreal people"So the Facts prove that utah
dominates..."Actually, you're telling me that there is a 21
point differential in 20 games? That's an average of 1.05 point margin of
victory. That is not dominance that is an awesome rivalry!If you go
by W/L over the past 20 years, BYU 9/11, Utah 11/9, the Mann Whitney U test
gives a non-significant P value of .543. This suggests again that neither team
has been dominant over the past 20 year. I'm sure you can convince
other dupes to believe your assessment, but anyone with half a brain knows the
teams are neck and neck.
Thanks, Texas Coug, for acknowledging--sort of--that Utah has won 5 of the last
8, two of which were blowouts. We were starting to think you just
watched those KBYU-archived replays, where SDS wins every game.
"You'd be hard pressed to find a guy with more experience and a better
track record than what Coach Chow has." My guess is Coach Whit, whom I like
a lot as a coach, is NOT referring to Chow's last 6 years of experience w/ the
Titans or at UCLA and referring to his prior time at BYU & both USC's. Will
he still be as "creative" as in the glory days of days gone by? I
doubt it, but only time will tell!
Flynn,Saying that the teams are equal over the last 10, or 20 years,
or saying that they are neck and neck, isnt true. Its like saying that victories
do not matter, or like saying BYU beat Utah last year - when they did not.The truth is the truth. Utah won more games and scored more points in
the rivalry series, was undefeated twice, won two BCS bowls against ranked
opponents, had a 9 game bowl winning streak (tying USC for the second longest in
NCAA history), and was invited to the Pac-12. That is not dominating compared to
what the Y has accomplished in the same time frame? Wow. BYU has only been
undefeated once in their entire history (with no wins against ranked teams!),
Utah did it twice in the last (relevance..) decade. And Utahs 08 undefeated
season came against 4 ranked opponents, tying Florida for the most of any FBS
team that year. No, its not that close. Your argument starts out by
assuming W/L record or points dont matter, so anything else you say can be
Regarding J Wynn: I was frustrated watching from the stands last year too. But
people, give Jordan a fair shake. By that I mean consider his statistics and
place among Utah QB's before trashing on him. He may have some major weaknesses,
but he is one of the best QB's Utah has ever had. Look at the record books in
this years Media Guide. His games against SDSU (2010) and Cal (2009) are some of
the best passing performances of any QBs at Utah or BYU all time (take a deep
breath people, I didnt say the best, I said some of the best). People down south love Heaps, and Wynn beats heaps in all passing categories
(even his freshman year): passer ratings, completion percentages, total yards,
yards per game, not to mention that he is also bigger and taller. From all
measurable assets, Utah has one of the better QBs in the pac-12, and the better
QB in the rivalry. You can disregard any arguments that Heaps is better. Just
look up stats on espn. Heaps sure loses a lot more. Be happy with
what you have.
forreal people "Wynn beats heaps in all passing categories
(even his freshman year):"Not even close. Compare Heaps final
six games, when Jake was getting starter's reps in practice and was actually
playing the entire game.Wynn:Freshman 130 ratingSophomore 139 ratingHeaps:Freshman 152 ratingJake threw 14 TDs in his final six games.Wynn only threw 17 TDs during
his ENTIRE Sophomore season.
DeepBlue,please go away. we have had this discussion a billion
times. there are other dick harmon articles that are worthy of your attention.
please don't troll here. much appreciated.
re: forreal people"And Utahs 08 undefeated season came against 4
ranked opponents."It's hard to believe you're counting Utah's
win against Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan finished 3 -
9. But it you want to count that among your highlights of the year, go for it.
@ ThecougfaninTXThe five things I'll be looking for on Sep. 17.5) Jake Heaps crying after a heartbreaking thumping at the hands of Utah
(a la John Beck 2004)4) After a close game, on 4th and 15 with 3
minutes left, Jordan Wynn will find Devonte Christopher with a 19-yard TD pass
to go ahead and preserve the win. (Randy Gomez to Frank Henry, 1978)3) Jake Heaps commits 6 turnovers and the Utes cruise to a 48-24 win. (Max
Hall, 2008)2) Jake Heaps looks to have a chance to win the game on a
last minute drive, but is sacked and fumbles the ball, sealing a 34-31 Utah
victory. (John Walsh, 1994)1) After driving to within field goal
range, an otherwise easy game-winning field goal will be blocked with no time
left, opening the floodgates for a Utah celebration on the field. (Mitch Payne
to Brandon Burton, 2011)
@CougFaninTX "It's hard to believe you're counting Utah's win against
Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan finished 3 - 9. But it you
want to count that among your highlights of the year, go for it."Well, it's 4 ranked opponents no matter how you choose to look at it. Whether
ranked at the time Utes played them or in the final rankings. I think the final
rankings is more indicative of the true strength. TCU, BYU, Oregon St and Bama
all finished ranked. Michigan, TCU, BYU and Bama were all ranked at game time.
Chris Bryant;I know what you mean. I did a spell check first and it shows
"tackeling" as incorrect. It actually did show "tackling" as
the correct spelling. Doesn't look right to me either. Maybe I was so far off
that neither is correct for what I'm saying. Anyway,Good luck to
both BYU and Utah this year. I think both have good QB's with enough skills to
be difference makers this year.
Deep blue, nice one. you say "not even close" and then go
on to site stats that are fake, non-existant, irrelevant, and are not in the
record books. lets just stick to facts please. the stuff that is in the record
books. once you start chery picking games to include in stats and
making all kinds of adjustments, you've lost the argument. i'm sure
glad the book keepers don't try to add games here, and throw out games there, to
come up with passer ratings. lets just compare reality to reality.
heaps only started in six games? wow, even as a utah fan, i can call you on that
one. i could go on and on pointing out your flawed, false,
statemtents.i did not see you adjust winn's stats when comparing
them to your adjusted heaps stats.e.g. "14 tds in six games vs.
17 touchdowns his entire sophmore season." did wynn start "the entire
season?" No he did not. Thats why i leave the bs and twisting of facts out
of it.in 2010 wynn lead the nations 23rd ranked offence, heaps lead
the nations 70th. Ouch - the truth hurts.
Cougarfanintexas,The 4 ranked teams from 2008 were:6
Alabama7 TCU18 Oregon State25 BYUNobody is
counting Michigan as a ranked team
at coug fan in tx,I would never count michigan - they were unranked
at years end and a loosing team. at teams ranking at the time you play them is
absolutly meaningless, except if it is the final game both teams play, like a
bowl game. The only stat that means anything is ranked teams at years end
(otherwise the ranking was simply speculation)Utah beat 4 teams in
the FINAL POLLS:TCU - top 7Alabama - top 5BYU-top 25Oregon state -top 25beating a loosing michagan team has no
signifigance or credibility. no one cares. which is why a win in 1984 over a
terrible, unranked, six loss michigan team, in a mid major bowl, to cap a season
with no ranked wins, is nothing compared to the 2008 utah season- big wins, big
opponants, second-to-none schedule, big bowl game, big bowl win.
cougfanintx:You say "It's hard to believe you're counting
Utah's win against Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan
finished 3 - 9. But it you want to count that among your highlights of the year,
go for it."It's ironic that you'd choose the Utes game against
Michigan to try to dis on them. Yet, if we go back to 1984, it's BYU who uses
their 24-17 squeaker over a mediocre, unranked 6-6 Michigan team in a minor bowl
game to try and claim a national championship.
We may not have "depth" but what does that mean? I would take my
chances in the MWC with our "depth" and end up 10-2 or 11-1. Depth was
never an issue until we joined the Pac 12. We don't need "depth" for
Montana, BYU, Colorado or Washington State. The "depth" has to do
with stronger teams that are three deep that continue to rotate in and out so
they are fresh. I believe Utah's depth to be better than 90% of the college
football teams. It will improve over the next few years.
afro14You're a funny man.Experienced Sophomore Wynn,
surrounded by experienced, Senior running backs and receivers, BARELY beat true
Freshman Heaps, surrounded by inexperienced, Freshmen and Sophomore running
backs and receivers, by a single point, at home - and it took a botched fumble
call, a lucky bounce of a punt, and an OC sitting on the ball after Heaps had
moved BYU inside the 20, for Wynn to come away with a lucky win.This
year a wounded Wynn won't be so lucky.---------ThleteFinal ranking is the only ranking that counts.
@TJit was the "your" versus "you're" that i was
forreal people BYU has won 26 of the last 39, including the largest
margin of victory in the history of the BYU-Utah series, 56-6, and the only
significant shutout in the last half century, 27-0.Of course, being
shut out 27-0 is something Utah fans are very familiar with -- see UNLV, 2007.
Pac man,I tried to be reasonable by discussing relevent stats. Last
decade, Last 2 decades. You see, all that matters is the now, if we are arguing
about the 2011 season. So you discussing the 70s and 80s could not
be more meaningless. If you care about meaningless, ancient history,
then why don't you care about utah absolutly dominating byu, with a
uncompetative series record of 54-34.The fact that you pick two
random decades, that represent niether relevant information (maybe the past
decade or two), or the true history of the series shows that you are making a
legitimate argument. To prove my point, I could have picked the part
of the series that utah went 35-2 against the pathetic cougars, but i did'nt.
Your stats are worthless, if this was 1988, then you would have a
point whe referenceing the domenating byu era of the 70's and 80's, but it's
not. Get over it little bro.
@forrealI hate arguing with mediocre minds, as they will resort to
sidestepping logic, dodge facts, or changing the premise entirely. Lets stick
to the argument you made that Utah is the dominant team, and forego the
irrelevant (to the original argument) facts about other teams. I understand
that Utah has won 2 more rivalry game over the past 20 years, and scored 21 more
points. On this, Utah has the edge. Granted. My agrument is that
statistically, they are equal (you obviously don't understand this principle, so
don't pretend to- and ask someone who's smart), and that the average point
differential is miniscule. The edge could change in BYU's favor in a year or
two, but that doesn't change my argument. The teams are, and will be neck and
neck for some time, and this is what makes the rivalry so thrilling.
forreal people Meaningless history is leather helmet era football
history when Utah wasn't playing anybody and BYU took football so casually that
30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah because BYU didn't
even have a football stadium.Give me an example of just ONE
significant Utah accomplishment on a national scale prior to BYU and Utah
joining the WAC in 1962.Two years after joining the WAC, Utah
cracked the Top 20 for the first time in their history. At that point, Utah had
won 20 conference championships; BYU 0.Since then:Top 25
Finishes (AP and Coaches)BYU 17Utah 5Conference
ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah 6National ChampionshipsBYU
1Utah 0The problem with Utah's "ancient history" is
the Utes didn't do anything.BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team
since 1977 (ranked 17 or 34 years)Utah has only been ranked 5 times
in its entire history.BYU has almost as many Top 25 finishes IN THE
LAST 5 years!U talk head-to-head and BCS, because U have NOTHING
else to talk about.
It will be a ROSEy year.
Forreal people is absolutely dominating you BYU posters! The funny thing is
every time one of you Ute haters post you prove Forreal's point. I hope
all Utes fans remember the 2008 sugar bowl fondly but with that said I look
forward to even bigger and better things and future accomplishments. How
horrible would it be to be constantly obsessing about past accomplishments like
a season almost 30 year years ago. Sound like anyone you know?
@gonefishnNo he isn't. You just agree with him so you 'proclaim
victory'. If you have to 'proclaim' your superiority then it doesn't exist in
the real world.The truth is the rivalry is pretty close to dead even
these days. That 21 total point lead he trumpets can disappear in one game. If
it can change in one game then there is no domination.There is no
doubt BYU has a more storied history, bigger name, and larger following than
utah has, to try and pretend otherwise shows an inferiority complex of laughable
size. forreal people has a major inferiority complex/little brother syndromw
that is text book.But the season is just about here and we'll see
how things stand this season. Enjoy it.
HeapsFreshman (6 games): 109/172, 1340 yds, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 152.19
ratingWynnFreshman (6 games): 104/179, 1329 yds, 58.1%, 8 TDs,
4 ints, 130.75 ratingSophomore (10 games): 186/199, 2334 yds, 62.2%, 17
TDs, 10 ints, 139.75 ratingAs soon as Jake started getting starter's
reps in practice and had a chance to develop a little rhythm with his receivers,
Heaps significantly outperformed Wynn.Wynn was 86.91 at BYU as a
Freshman and 103.93 as a Sophomore versus BYU.Heaps was 114.74 as a
Freshman at Utah.Just as there were Utah fans who swore that
Henderson was as good a Jimmer, there are still Utah fans who swear that Wynn is
as good as Heaps.
@uteBusters,Let me give you the only stat that matters.Actual wins head to head:Wynn 1 Heaps 0Also, I have never
heard anyone say Henderson was as good as Jimmer. You're lying to yourself.
gonefishn"I hope all Utes fans remember the 2008 sugar bowl
fondly..."ah yes, Utah and her one-hit wonders.When
was the last time the Utes had back-to-back Top 15 finishes or had
back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes in both polls?Here's what one
pre-season publication had to say about the Utes:Bottom Line [for
Utah]: Probably a re-loading year, but theres still enough to get to 7-5. Better
and brighter days ahead.Utah Rankings: #48 Athlon, #42 Lindys, #55
Phil SteeleFrankly, 7-5, may be a little generous; I wouldn't be
surprised to see the Utes at 6-6.
patriot"I think Utah will make a BIG LEAP into the national
spotlight with this move to the Pac12. Just like Arizona State and Arizona did
back in the late 1960's. Happy for the U."Arizona and Arizona
State didn't jump to the PAC 10 until the late 70's, and neither has made much
of a splash in the last 30 years. The Sun Devils have played in two Rose Bowls.
The Wildcats are still looking for their first Rose Bowl.
@KHUtes victory last year was luck and a given over a stupid
decision by the play caller, who no longer is at BYU.Chew on this...
Athlon ranks the Utes at #48, BYU at #34Pack your bags and get your
reservations for Motel 6, Vegas is nice in December if you're LUCKY again. I
doubt that 6-6 gets you there.
@PAC manBYU has won 26 of the last 39...--------Edwards has retired and Chow is a Ute. Try using stats that are
relevant today. I think 22 wins were by Edwards/Chow teams.I am
ready for the season to begin, the USC game is big it will show how prepared KW
has the Utes for the big leagues. Wynn looked bad end of last year but he also
showed some great potential. I was more worried about the play calling by
ARod... then enters Chow.
I marched in the U of U marching band in the 50's - we marched in a blizzard in
War Memorial Stadium in Laramie - so cold our valves on our trumpets froze up.
We sang "When the Saints Go Marching Out" under the stands in the BYU
stadium during those same years. We nearly always beat the Y. I was a
"bled red" fan. After serving a mission and doing graduate work at
the Y, I became a BYU "true blue" fan also. Now I cheer for both
teams, but when they play each other, I definitely cheer for the Y. Good luck,
U of U, in the PAC-12. Good luck, BYU in your new road in independence. Hope
both teams do well.
phoenix,When was the last time that BYU had back to back top 15
seasons? 1984. Since when did the top 15 become important? 15 seems
very random. Isn't it the top 10 that really matters? And BYU hasn't been in the
top 10 since 96.LonestarRunner,Apparently you need a
little history lesson. Did you know that the AP has only had an annual top 25
since 1989? So, you claiming that Utah hasn't been in the top 25 before 1962
when they joined the WAC is a little factually incorrect. There really wasn't an
annual top 25 to be in. You say that Utah was in the top 20 for the
first time in 1964. Then you say that they weren't when you said that they've
only been in the top 25 5 times? I'm assuming that the 5 times your were quoting
was 94, 03, 04, 08, and 09. Consistency?Competitively, I think that
Utah and BYU are fairly close in recent years with the edge going to Utah.
However, if you want to compare overall histories, take the media out of it.
Because honestly, the media involvement is a recent development.
@UteologyWhat potential did Wynn show against big teams like TCU and
ND? Given he didn't play against BSU, so with that in mind, are you
using high school stats to pad his potential?I too am ready for this
preseason bluster to end and real football to begin.Glad the Utes
will be on some TV. Not sure about away games?
Classless Ute Fan "When was the last time that BYU had back to
back top 15 seasons?"2006-2007Utah has NEVER had
back-to-back Top 15 finishes.Sounds like you need a little history
lesson. The AP began publishing an annual Top 20 in 1936 and the Coaches poll
has been published annually in 1950.Utah didn't appear in either
final poll until 1964 when the Utes finished tied for 14th in the Coaches poll.
(The AP only included the Top 10 from 1961 to 1967). The AP expanded to the Top
25 in 1989 and the Coaches followed suit in 1990.Utah was ranked in
a final AP poll for the first time 1994 when the Utes finished 10th in the AP
and 8th in the Coaches.That same year, BYU finished 18th in the AP
and 10th in the Coaches.BYU has been ranked 17 times in both polls
(4 times in the last five years).Utah has only been ranked 5 times
in both polls in their entire history.Both teams have been
competitive recently, but BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977; Utah,
only since 2003.
All the Y fans on here are making the most inane arguments."22
of the last 39"... "12 of the last 14.5"... "Heaps' last 6
games only. We can't count his losses."It's ludicrous.This board ought to go into the how-to manual for spinning stats to fit your
argument.And the lamest part is, you people are using these archaic
numbers trying to justify why BYU will be better than Utah in 2011. Please.
@tomahawk redAnd ute "fans" like yourself are trying to do
the same thing the opposite way. Please come up with something non hypocritical
or else just keep it to yourself.
Tomahawk Red "Y fans on here are making the most inane
arguments..."kinda like Utah fans claiming that the nothing
relevant in football happened before 2003, but 1998 and 1944 are like yesterday
in basketball?The reason Heaps' final six games are relevant is
because they're a good indication of what Jake can do when he's handed the
full-time reins with a much more experienced team in the coming season.Wynn on the other hand, played worse in the final six games of his sophomore
season, than he did in the final six games of his freshman season.Utah fans, if they were at all honest with themselves, would take Heaps over
Wynn in a heartbeat, if they were given the opportunity.What you
label as "inane" is just the reality that you're unwilling to accept.