"The current hyper-conservative shift among Republicans, however, gives
Democrats a chance to attract Mormon voters who don't want hard-line stances on
social issues.'They are not dogmatic, they're not rigid. They're
much more open-minded than they're given credit for,' Dabakis said."=================It is hilariously funny to see people so
reliably label their opponents as taking "hard-line stances" that are
"dogmatic" and "rigid" while simultaneously labeling their
own very dogmatic and rigid hard-line stances as "principled" or
"fair-minded".It reminds me of the use of the label
"intolerant" that was tossed around so frequently a few years ago. I
see less of that nowadays. I suspect enough people finally figured out that
everyone is both tolerant and intolerant. And, that labeling someone as one or
another is ridiculous since the person doing the labeling is actually simply
saying, "You're intolerant of the things of which I am tolerant and
tolerant of the things I'm not!!" In other words, you're not like me!Just like everyone else.
@ PaganHave you been able to figure out why Republicans control both
houses of the Legislature, hold all statewide offices? It is the voters. They
like the platform the Republicans offer and believe the individual should learn
how to stand on his (or her) own two feet and not expect government to spoon
feed them. As a side note Jim-Dabakis will have a hard time selling the
Democrat's platform to people who believe in traditional families.
Re: Pagen/Pagan | 1:27 p.m. Aug. 1, 2011 DN Subscriber got it
exactly right and stated the same case that I did. He said: "Democrats
will fail in Utah, not because their party chairman is gay, but becuase the
Democrat policies are simply wrong on most issues"You can twist
his comments and mine and try to change the subject but the fact remains that
Democrats don't share Utah values and that's why a strong Democrat lost to a
weak Republican in the 2010 election for governor by 2 to 1.
Re: Pagen | 1:18 p.m. Aug. 1, 2011 Using a microscope when trying to
analyze a broad brush statement is something most normal adults don't do. It's
like trying to clear snow off your driveway with a spoon when the job calls for
a snow thrower. Jim Dabakis decided to put a label on himself for
whatever reason and it doesn't effect me one way or the other because he's not
going to be on any ballots that I'm aware of.
"Gay democratic bosss moves beyond sexuality"But
apparently the headline writer has not, since he still refers to Dabakis BY his
Re: Pagan | 11:31 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011 "Do you see the
contradiction?"No, your logic isn't credible, and no, there was
no contradiction. I noted a candidate's sexual orientation WITHOUT making any
personal judgement as proof that Corroon lost the election because of his
political leanings.You have an interesting habit of reading more
into comments than are there. We call it "Tilting at windmills" which
is an English idiom which means attacking imaginary enemies.
'In the 2010 election for governor a weak Republican (Herbert) beat out a strong
Democrat Corroon) who is heterosexual 64% to 32%.' - Rifleman | 11:17 a.m. Then.... 'When I vote I don't care what a candidate does in
the privacy of his/her bedroom.' - Rifleman | 11:17 a.m.
Rifleman...you JUST TOLD ME someone is a Heterosexual. While trying
to claim that you 'don't care' what they do in their bedroom. Do you
see the contradiction? Heterosexual: 'Heterosexuality is
romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the opposite
sex or gender.' - Cursory wikipedia search Another
example: 'While attending BYU, the Governor met and married Jeanette
Snelson, from Springville, Utah. Shortly after their marriage...' -
Gov. Gary Herbert Home Page> under About Gary R. Herbert> 3rd paragraph. A public declaration of your spouse...? Dwelling on sexuality. Or are we going to make the abusrd claim
that the stork carries the children from the cabage patch?
Re: Pagan | 9:54 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011 In the 2010 election for governor
a weak Republican (Herbert) beat out a strong Democrat Corroon) who is
heterosexual 64% to 32%. When I vote I don't care what a candidate does in the
privacy of his/her bedroom. I car about issues like abortion and the 2nd
Amendment right to own and bear firearms.
Democrats will fail in Utah, not because their party chairman is gay, but
becuase the Democrat policies are simply wrong on most issues. Even though
fervently believed by some of their own members, they are still just bad
policy.The vast majority of clear thinking Utahns have repeatedly
been given the choice between strongly conservative Republican policies and
moderate to extremely liberal Democrat policies and chosen the Republican
answers.It's not the messenger, it's the message, and
"gayness" is not anything that most people care about. It's the nanny state, the excessive spending, the class warfare, the "tax
the 'rich'" mentalilty, the hostility to individual rights (outside the
bedroom) and the low esteem for our country and its accomplishments that turn
'Please let him step beyond his sexuality and quit dwelling on it. Other public
figures are not introduced as 'the heterosexual' representative.' - lcg | 9:35
a.m. Again, I disagree. *'Bachmann says she, not
husband, running for office' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews -
07/28/11 'WASHINGTON Rep. Michele Bachmann on Thursday again
refused to answer questions about her family's business and finances, saying
that she and not her husband was the one seeking the White House.'
A public declaration of your spouse...? Dwelling on sexuality.
Often times there are lamentations about how Democrats do not get a fair chance,
or how the Mormon Church makes life difficult for Democrats, or how the media
here in Utah misrepresents their values. The real issue is S.Andrew Zaelit |
9:04 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011 I disagree. But that has mainly
to do with the fact that Republicans control both houses of the Legislature,
hold all statewide offices and about 60 percent of the state's population is
Mormon, a reliable GOP constituency. Article
Please let him step beyond his sexuality and quit dwelling on it. Other public
figures are not introduced as 'the heterosexual' representative. I really don't
care who or what he is sleeping with but what his party represents and how he
functions in office!
Being gay is no problem. Being a gay Mormon is not a problem. The problem is
simple he is a Democrat. There is a disconnect with Utahs Democrats. Often times
there are lamentations about how Democrats do not get a fair chance, or how the
Mormon Church makes life difficult for Democrats, or how the media here in Utah
misrepresents their values. The real issue is what Democrats stand for. High
taxes, punishment of achievers, government intrusion and expansion, open
borders, amnesty, abortion on demand under any circumstance, progressive
politics, gun bans, limitations of religion, anti small business, and forfeiture
of the guaranteed rights given to us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Really it does not matter that this man is gay. He could be purple and from
Saturn for all I care. In the end he is a member of a political party that is
out of step with the traditional Western values that matter here in Utah.
'Gay Utah Democratic boss Jim Dabakis moves beyond sexuality' - Article Now, if only others could do the same. *'Gays greatest threat to
America, Buttars says' - By Aaron Falk - DSnews - 02/19/09 And
please... Buttars was elected into a place of leadership in
Utah... three times. I think his comments, as an elected
leader of Utah reflect, abliet poorly, upon the Utah demographics as a whole. I
look foward to it changing.