Comments about ‘Gay Utah Democratic boss Jim Dabakis moves beyond sexuality’

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Published: Sunday, July 31 2011 11:10 p.m. MDT

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Gay Utah Democratic boss Jim Dabakis moves beyond sexuality' - Article

Now, if only others could do the same.

*'Gays greatest threat to America, Buttars says' - By Aaron Falk - DSnews - 02/19/09

And please...

Buttars was elected into a place of leadership in Utah...

three times.

I think his comments, as an elected leader of Utah reflect, abliet poorly, upon the Utah demographics as a whole. I look foward to it changing.

S.Andrew Zaelit
Salt Lake City, UT

Being gay is no problem. Being a gay Mormon is not a problem. The problem is simple he is a Democrat. There is a disconnect with Utahs Democrats. Often times there are lamentations about how Democrats do not get a fair chance, or how the Mormon Church makes life difficult for Democrats, or how the media here in Utah misrepresents their values. The real issue is what Democrats stand for. High taxes, punishment of achievers, government intrusion and expansion, open borders, amnesty, abortion on demand under any circumstance, progressive politics, gun bans, limitations of religion, anti small business, and forfeiture of the guaranteed rights given to us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Really it does not matter that this man is gay. He could be purple and from Saturn for all I care. In the end he is a member of a political party that is out of step with the traditional Western values that matter here in Utah.

lcg
Bluffdale, UT

Please let him step beyond his sexuality and quit dwelling on it. Other public figures are not introduced as 'the heterosexual' representative. I really don't care who or what he is sleeping with but what his party represents and how he functions in office!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Often times there are lamentations about how Democrats do not get a fair chance, or how the Mormon Church makes life difficult for Democrats, or how the media here in Utah misrepresents their values. The real issue is S.Andrew Zaelit | 9:04 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011

I disagree.

But that has mainly to do with the fact that Republicans control both houses of the Legislature, hold all statewide offices and about 60 percent of the state's population is Mormon, a reliable GOP constituency. Article

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Please let him step beyond his sexuality and quit dwelling on it. Other public figures are not introduced as 'the heterosexual' representative.' - lcg | 9:35 a.m.

Again, I disagree.

*'Bachmann says she, not husband, running for office' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/28/11

'WASHINGTON Rep. Michele Bachmann on Thursday again refused to answer questions about her family's business and finances, saying that she and not her husband was the one seeking the White House.'

A public declaration of your spouse...?

Dwelling on sexuality.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Democrats will fail in Utah, not because their party chairman is gay, but becuase the Democrat policies are simply wrong on most issues. Even though fervently believed by some of their own members, they are still just bad policy.

The vast majority of clear thinking Utahns have repeatedly been given the choice between strongly conservative Republican policies and moderate to extremely liberal Democrat policies and chosen the Republican answers.

It's not the messenger, it's the message, and "gayness" is not anything that most people care about.

It's the nanny state, the excessive spending, the class warfare, the "tax the 'rich'" mentalilty, the hostility to individual rights (outside the bedroom) and the low esteem for our country and its accomplishments that turn off voters.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagan | 9:54 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011

In the 2010 election for governor a weak Republican (Herbert) beat out a strong Democrat Corroon) who is heterosexual 64% to 32%. When I vote I don't care what a candidate does in the privacy of his/her bedroom. I car about issues like abortion and the 2nd Amendment right to own and bear firearms.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'In the 2010 election for governor a weak Republican (Herbert) beat out a strong Democrat Corroon) who is heterosexual 64% to 32%.' - Rifleman | 11:17 a.m.

Then....

'When I vote I don't care what a candidate does in the privacy of his/her bedroom.' - Rifleman | 11:17 a.m.

Rifleman...you JUST TOLD ME someone is a Heterosexual.

While trying to claim that you 'don't care' what they do in their bedroom.

Do you see the contradiction?

Heterosexual:
'Heterosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the opposite sex or gender.'
- Cursory wikipedia search

Another example:

'While attending BYU, the Governor met and married Jeanette Snelson, from Springville, Utah. Shortly after their marriage...'

- Gov. Gary Herbert Home Page>
under About Gary R. Herbert>

3rd paragraph.

A public declaration of your spouse...?

Dwelling on sexuality.

Or are we going to make the abusrd claim that the stork carries the children from the cabage patch?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagan | 11:31 a.m. Aug. 1, 2011
"Do you see the contradiction?"

No, your logic isn't credible, and no, there was no contradiction. I noted a candidate's sexual orientation WITHOUT making any personal judgement as proof that Corroon lost the election because of his political leanings.

You have an interesting habit of reading more into comments than are there. We call it "Tilting at windmills" which is an English idiom which means attacking imaginary enemies.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

"Gay democratic bosss moves beyond sexuality"

But apparently the headline writer has not, since he still refers to Dabakis BY his sexuality.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagen | 1:18 p.m. Aug. 1, 2011

Using a microscope when trying to analyze a broad brush statement is something most normal adults don't do. It's like trying to clear snow off your driveway with a spoon when the job calls for a snow thrower.

Jim Dabakis decided to put a label on himself for whatever reason and it doesn't effect me one way or the other because he's not going to be on any ballots that I'm aware of.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagen/Pagan | 1:27 p.m. Aug. 1, 2011

DN Subscriber got it exactly right and stated the same case that I did. He said: "Democrats will fail in Utah, not because their party chairman is gay, but becuase the Democrat policies are simply wrong on most issues"

You can twist his comments and mine and try to change the subject but the fact remains that Democrats don't share Utah values and that's why a strong Democrat lost to a weak Republican in the 2010 election for governor by 2 to 1.

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

@ Pagan

Have you been able to figure out why Republicans control both houses of the Legislature, hold all statewide offices? It is the voters. They like the platform the Republicans offer and believe the individual should learn how to stand on his (or her) own two feet and not expect government to spoon feed them. As a side note Jim-Dabakis will have a hard time selling the Democrat's platform to people who believe in traditional families.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"The current hyper-conservative shift among Republicans, however, gives Democrats a chance to attract Mormon voters who don't want hard-line stances on social issues.

'They are not dogmatic, they're not rigid. They're much more open-minded than they're given credit for,' Dabakis said."

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It is hilariously funny to see people so reliably label their opponents as taking "hard-line stances" that are "dogmatic" and "rigid" while simultaneously labeling their own very dogmatic and rigid hard-line stances as "principled" or "fair-minded".

It reminds me of the use of the label "intolerant" that was tossed around so frequently a few years ago. I see less of that nowadays. I suspect enough people finally figured out that everyone is both tolerant and intolerant. And, that labeling someone as one or another is ridiculous since the person doing the labeling is actually simply saying, "You're intolerant of the things of which I am tolerant and tolerant of the things I'm not!!" In other words, you're not like me!

Just like everyone else.

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