I think it's terrible that this man who loves Utah is sent 2 years in prison
because of peacefully 'demonstrating' in a Governments' event. And Dear DN
editor, this is not about global warming, he never talked about it yesterday. He
said: "I am here today because I have chosen to protect the people
lockedout of the system over the profits of the corporations runningthe system." Tim DeChristopher at his sentencing
Global warming alarmists ignore prevalent evidence that disproves their global
warming claims. It is more neigh to a belief system or quasi-religion than a
science. Since 2007 many Americans have come to disbelieve this extremist groups
obsessive beliefs in global warming. A.K.A. the founder of Greenpeace included
among other former devotees. One can still respect the earth and yet not swallow
their ideas that are so often clothed in radical hyperbole.
Man-caused global warming is a hoax that is supported by inadequate scientific
research, much of which has been compromised over political considerations.
Guess which group is larger? The scientists who signed a UN document asserting
man-caused global warming, or the scientists who signed a document calling
man-caused global warming an unproved theory? Does anybody recall that the
original temperature measurements used to create the theory of man-caused global
warming were destroyed while adjustments that tended to prove man-caused global
warming were preserved? I find it interesting that if temperature measuring
stations that have been urbanized are taken out of the equation, there appears
to be no global warming over the past decade or so. When I closely examine
former vice-president Al Gore's outrageous and exaggerated claims over global
warming, it's obvious that the left loves the idea of man-caused global warming
as a means to demand the changes they seek, such as less gas and oil
exploration, socialized transportation (as ineffective and as prohibitively
expensive as that might be), more wilderness and a redistribution of wealth.
Fossil fern said: Could some one please explain what the evil climate scientists
have to get out of saying that we're going to have to radically change our
lives.They make billions and billions selling oil and coal on the
open market, oh wait that's the people who care about our health and our
children's futures, right?
Could some one please explain what the evil climate scientists have to get out
of saying that we're going to have to radically change our lives, very fast, to
avoid dire consequences. It doesn't seem like these guys and gals are out to
win a popularity contest, mansions in Malibu, etc. etc.. Motive, please.
"Global warming is the codeword for genocide."That's one
of the weirdest statements I have ever read. What do you even mean by it? That
global warming will end up killing us all? Or that efforts to curb global
warming will end up killing us all? Either way you've got some 'splaining to do.
Global warming is the codeword for genocide.
Our judicial system beds to be reformed so punishment for victimles crimes do
not end up costing tax payers money for incarceration. Is society changed for
the better by throwing dechristophern in jail for two years because he caused a
delay in a land auction that was illegal to begin with? I don't think so.
brobrigham,The "conclusions are disputed by an overwhelming
number of his colleagues", does not seem to take into account 31,487
Americans with university degrees in science including 9,029 PhDs, are not a
handful "contrarians" who signed the Petition Project that the claim
of settled science and an overwhelming consensus in favor of the hypothesis of
human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. Overwhelming majority of scientists? Seems you missed 31,000 who don't
agree, in your count.
Just because DeChristopher wasn't protesting on behalf of an entire people,
doesn't mean he wasn't practicing civil disobedience. Reversing your logic, DN,
if I kill a man, it's not really murder, because Hitler killed 6 million. Was
his contribution to society more modest than Rosa Parks or Ghandi. Undoubtedly.
But he saw a situation he thought he could help, and sacrificed his freedom for
it. And for that, he should be commended.PS - I don't blame the
judge in this situation at all. His job is to uphold the law, not decide which
ones should be followed. Everybody involved...the police, Mr. DeChristopher,
and the judge played their proper role in the situation. Now it's up to
citizens to demand proper changes occur.
EMBU,Is the article you cited the last word? End of discussion?
The author of your article was Roy Spencer, a climate scientist who's
conclusions are disputed by an overwhelming number of his colleagues. He has a
long history of denying human-caused global warming.Spencer has
connections to the Heartland Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute,
ICECAP, all think tanks who have received big money from ExxonMobil. The author
of the Forbes article you cited is also connected with one of these groups.Spencer is the equivalent of the handful of scientists funded by Big
Tobacco who question the relationship of smoking and cancer. One can always
find the contrarian, but what are the overwhelming majority of scientists
Mr. DeChristopher did a noble thing. That specific federal auction was unlawful
and illegitimate. He focused attention on an abuse that would have slid under
the radar for the overwhelming majority of us. Now the issue has moved from the
blogs and publications of a few environmentalists to articles in the world's
leading newspapers. Thank you, Mr. DeChristopher.
Chris B.,"Horrible person" for disrupting an auction? Did he
injure someone that I didn't hear about? People have gotten less jail time for
doing much more harm. It scares me to think you might be on a jury someday.
Depends on what your protesting...Representative Mike Noel and the
protest riders who broke the law when they drove their ATVs up the riverbed May
9 did so under the watchful eye of federal law enforcement officials, who did
not cite them. Noel has since said the protest riders had a right to do what
they did and the feds were acting inappropriately to even be there watching
them, taking down their license plates, no less, and threatening possible
citations.This is the same Mike Noel who wants bogus
oil-and-gas-lease-bidder Tim DeChristopher prosecuted to the full extent of the
law......So some laws count, and some don't, depending on whether they
agree or not with your politics.Why hasn't Mikey been thrown in
cjb | 9:51 a.m. July 29, 2011 Bountiful, UT "...Listening
to Coast to Coast last night on KNRS, I listened to a climate
scientist..."=============Ha, ha, ha.Enough said.Thanks.
Would have been cheaper to sentence him to life in a cave and a bike to get to
his next demonstration.....
It's unfortunate the defendant, a Global Warming alarmist, was not aware back
before his civil disobedience, of the facts presented in a recent article in
peer-reviewed science journal "Remote Sensing" and reported in Yahoo!
News article titled: "New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming
Alarmism." The study finds far less future global warming will occur than
the UN computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating
increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have
claimed.Perhaps it would have saved him a lot of grief, $, and a few
years in jail.This whole Global Warming farce seems to be unraveling
since the 2009 Climategate data manipulations found in e-mail exposured from The
University of East Anglica.I wonder if Al Gore will have to give
back his awards due to his promoting a farce?
DN is wrong. Dee Benson is no different from Judge John B. Scott who fined Rosa
Parks and charged her court costs.
The Bush administration's move to auction these parcels without required
environmental impact studies violated federal law, as a judge later ruled. That
ruling would probably have been too late to rectify the error- by the time that
case was decided, development on the parcels would likely have already
commenced.I don't see that there was any way to keep the illegal
sale from proceeding outside of bidding for the parcels.I don't see
why DeChristopher is tying his actions so much to climate change concerns- the
climate change impact of a few new gas leases is marginal at most. But
regardless of what you think of that, his action was civil disobedience directed
at making the government play by its own rules, at curbing Executive branch
abuses of power. To claim, as the DN does, that this has no merit because you
don't think those executive actions "oppressed entire sets of disadvantaged
and downtrodden people" is to give most despotic abuses of Executive power
free rein.This ruling will be appealed, and Benson's move to
prohibit the necessity defense won't stand in appellate courts. They may still
find DeChristopher guilty, but they'll at least let him make his case.
In the time of the dinasaurs the earth was hotter that it is now. In the ice age
it was cooler. The earth constantly changes. Nothing new here. Who is to say we
wouldn't be better off if the earth heated up from its present temperature? Or
who is to say we wouldn't be worse off?From what I read, the earth
was heating up prior to the industrial age, and it is now heating up, except for
about the last 7 years.Listening to Coast to Coast last night on
KNRS, I listened to a climate scientist who said the UN scientists who predict
global warming are wrong in that they don't take into account the negative
feedback that increased cloud cover causes as the earth heats up. Meaning that
if the earth gets hotter, clouds will increase which will help cool the earth.
He said this means global warming won't be as much as UN scientists predict. He
says other scientists agree with him but they are afraid to speak out for fear
they will be put on the black list for grant money.
What a waste of my taxes to defend this horrible person.Enjoy your 2
year prison sentence. I wish it were longer.