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Published: Wednesday, July 27 2011 1:39 p.m. MDT

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Kouger
Lehi, UT

Just a few of the many many many things other churches can - and should - learn from the LDS Church and the Mormons in general.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

The comments in this article reinforced what I continually hear from my non-LDS friends and colleagues. They by and large find us sincere, wholesome, charitable, community-focused, friendly, etc. In other words, they tend to appreciate what we DO and the kind of people we generally are. But opinions change dramatically when discussing what we BELIEVE. Almost unanimously I find they love who we are but can't buy what we believe. A common theme being - I love you in our communities but have no interest in attending your church.

Kouger
Lehi, UT

They see the fruits being very good, if not excellent, but from a very bad tree. Go figure!

Montana Mormon
Miles City, MT

At the Hill Cumorah Pageant, the UK writer observed antagonistic hostility from the self-proclaimed "Christians" and experienced benevolent tranquility from the supposed "non-Christians."

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another" (John 13:35).

In these two instances, where was the love best expressed, and therefore the true Christian discipleship?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Keep the numbers quiet. Always manage the brand image. Political power can, and should, be bought.

B
Logan, UT

@Hutterite

What are you talking about? Your comment was very vague, if not bitter.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

So what they're interested in learning is advertising strategies?

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

Most LDS members live their faith and their charity and love shows 24-7

donn
layton, UT

Kouger They see the fruits being very good, if not excellent, but from a very bad tree. Go figure!

I have many Mormon family members and friends and they are wonderful people, especially temple Mormons. I go to Jazz games,BYU football games(season tickets) and to dinner with them all the time. And they know Im a Bible believing Christian.

But,Ye shall know them by their fruits. Fruit can be doctrine and Christians have the right to be fruit inspectors and Mormon doctrines have produced some bad fruit.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

donn, I mean no disrespect, but I find "fruit can be doctrine" to be a twist on what the Bible teaches. Fruit is very simple, as parables are designed to be very simple- Does a church bring forth good work or bad? This is the real meaning of this text. You can certainly apply 'good work or bad' to doctrine so I can definitely see your point... but the problem I have with it is that someone could use it to justify saying, "Well Mormons don't believe in the trinity, and that's just bad fruit."

If fruit equals doctrine, lets simplify by saying 'belief' instead.

'Mormons believe in bad belief.' Such a statement has no logical merit and doesn't stand on its own. No such 'fruit inspector' could exist under this understanding.

Where by saying that fruit is the work those produce, then the parable is not only accurate in my opinion, but it actually works functionally as well.

Mormons are doing good work for the world, charity, teaching kindness, promoting family, etc. so that is how ye shall know them. This supports knowing that what is good is of God, and what does bad is not, etc.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

As quoted in the article:

"Mainstream Christianity could learn a lot from Mormons about how to communicate faith, I thought," Tumminio wrote. "Because, though I didn't buy the religion they sold, it's hard to argue with a testimony like that."

A "testimony like that" is a real testimony, a real witness of what is true. Whether you agree with the LDS Church or not, we are proclaiming to the world that we have the true gospel of Jesus Christ, that he lives, and so on. - With that being said, I put this in an example.

Mormon: I know the Church is true!
Other Christian: hmmm... good tactic... I know my Christian church is true everyone!

The problem with this is that suppose for a moment that the LDS Church actually is the true "Church of Jesus Christ" and is God's church. If that was the case, no other could 'benefit' or 'learn from' how we, to others, seem to 'tactically' use our testimony this way. If the LDS Church is indeed true, it would literally be a bad thing for others to use this 'tactic' to 'sell' to others.

It seems that this would be encouraging false prophets.

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

Kendra Creasy Dean of the Princeton Theological Seminary, who participated in Christian Smith (of UNC-Chapel Hill) National Study of Teenage Religiousity, strongly suggested that mainstream Protestant and Catholic churches could attain the same high level of "religiousity" and Christian discipleship by following the Mormons' plan for training teenagers.

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

The scriptures are clear that a good tree cannot produce bad fruits, neither can a bad tree produce good fruits. It also says that some will call good evil and evil good, and that all that are good comes from God while all that are bad comes from the devil,(I'm paraphrasing scriptures here.)

The fruits of Mormonism are many and unquestionably very good. They are the reason why many like my family became converts. Just because many don't understand nor want to learn our doctrines doesn't mean they are necessarily bad or evil either. I'm thankful and proud to be Mormon and devout follower of Jesus Christ, even if the world condemns me and tells me I'm not Christian.

Quayle
Dallas, TX

We should freely and uncompetitively provide help and assistance and ideas and solutions to anyone that has a need, or that asks.

And if they never accept Joseph Smith or baptism it shouldn't change what we do at all - we've still made the world better just be being helpful or by giving someone an answer.

Sometimes I fear that in our congregations we get stuck on our agenda to baptize, and not the other person's need to just be loved, or cared for, or helped. And that if they reject our drive to baptism we sort of turn lukewarm to them or don't know what to do with them.

We'll know we're doing it right when we have tons of people that come to church, that participate with us in projects, but that don't necessarily want to be baptized and that may not fully live the word of wisdom, but that just want to be with us because they feel loved and cared for and safe.

My ancestors go back to Colesville and Kirtland, and let's face it, sometimes even I don't feel fully safe in our congregations.

We have some work still to do.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"O'Loughlin goes on to suggest that "using savvy media and marketing campaigns to offer inspiration, hope and perhaps even gentle evangelization is a smart move."

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Mormon leaders have always been brilliant at marketing. Hiring big New York PR firms help too.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

They are getting the truth from us, that's what they're getting.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Voice of reason Mormons believe in bad belief.' Such a statement has no logical merit and doesn't stand on its own. Sorry, I meant the Mormon leaders.
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. (MT 7:15)

That seer his name shall be called Joseph(Smith), and it shall be after the name of his father. (JST 50:33)? JS prophecizes himself,Do you believe this?

Brigham Young, Can you make a Christian of a Jew? I tell you Nay, If a Jew comes into this church ,and the blood honestly professes to be a Saint, a follower of Christ, and if the blood of Judah is in his veins, he will apostatize.(JoD V. 2 p. 142)

They tell us the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches no such thing! Neither does that Bible. Joseph Fielding Smith. See(Alma 7:10)and (Luke 1:34,35)

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

I met several Mormons in the Navy and they had a lot of "verve" which Catholics, of which I am one, did not have.

tyndale1
Pullman, WA

Donn;
You have to sample the fruit, that is for sure. But don't confuse gospel fruit with doctrine. Fruit is the result of the doctrine, not the doctrine itself. It is the way one lives his life. Obviously there are those Mormons who don't exemplify Mormons, but many do.

The problem with trying to shape doctrine into fruit is you can only judge it against your standard. So, if your "standard", or your calibrated "weights and measures" is misaligned, the judgment you make when comparing others to it is of no benefit. All you know is that the doctrines that produce the fruit of Mormonism is different from your doctrine. But what the Savior was saying was that you should step back and find the best fruit, then follow that back to locate the true vine.

Prophets of another age - people have little problem with. But there has never been a time of the earths existence when it was easy to accept a current day prophet of God. So if the fruit is good, it might pay to examine the source code. I have. It rings true. May you do the same.

Maryquilter
Farmington, UT

@Donn: What exactly are the Mormon doctrines you find to be producing bad fruit, and what is that bad fruit?

I would also like to know what our current prophet is doing that demonstrates to you that he is a ferocious wolf in sheep's clothing, attempting to deceive and harm us?

Even though I believe Brigham Young was a prophet of God and a great leader at a time when the early saints needed a strong man with strong convictions, etc., every statement a prophet makes in his entire life isn't necessarily "gospel' and meant to be the direct word of God. Brigham once said that any man who makes his living examining women (obstetricians) should be stoned. In hind sight we know that wasn't a particularly enlightened opinion. Church leaders are just imperfect people who may hold personal opinions which are not meant to be direct inspiration from God for the whole world. Clearly we don't know everything about that statement regarding Jews. I am a convert of 36 years, and with all my studying I have never witnessed a prophet lead the church astray when he has been giving direct revelation to church members.

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