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  • Subscriber Magna, UT
    July 31, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Guess what? I don't care about BCS bowl games. I only care about championships.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 29, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    @Randy01

    All coaches families pay a very high price for their focus. Coaches live in their offices and spend more time in a day with thier jobs than they do with their families in a week, maybe even two weeks.

    "The tragedy of life doesn't lie in not reaching your goal. The tragedy lies in having no goal to reach. It isn't a calamity to die with dreams unfilled, but it is a calamity not to dream. It is not disgrace to reach the stars, but it is a disgrace to have no stars to reach for. Not failure, but low aim, is a sin." (Benjamin Mays)

    "Think little goals and expect little achievements. Think big goals and win big success." (David Joseph Schwartz)

    "A man without a goal is like a ship without a rudder." (Thomas Carlyle)

    and last:
    "Goals that are not written down are just wishes." (anonymous)

    bottom line, set your sights low and expect even lower results. Shoot for "maybe possibly" winning the South Division and you can expect to finish 3rd or 4th in the South Division. Sounds like Kyle is thinking just about what the rest of us are thinking (Phil Steele included).

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    July 29, 2011 12:46 a.m.

    Truecoug1:

    Lombardi was a great coach, but his family paid a very high price for his focus,

    In addition, Utah can't win a national championship without winning a conference championship first. The theoretically BYU could, but perhaps they should beat Texas and Mississippi first.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    @Randy01 continued

    Does K Whitt have confidence his team can win a national championship? Maybe. We don't know.

    As a player, I'd rather that my coach state with confidence, and without hesitation, in front of the national media that our goal is to win a national championship, rather than one who says "our goal is to win the PAC 12 South division" (setting sights rather low) and then hedges it by saying "but there are a lot of good teams in the division".

    I think a good quote for K Whitt and all Ute fans is again from Vince Lombardi:

    "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible."

    As a true blue Cougar fan, I do not think the goal of a national championship is an impossible one, and I'm glad that my coach doesn't think so either.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    @Randy01

    Since you seem to like great coaches and all, here's a quote from a guy who may be considered the greatest football coach of all time.

    "There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game and that is first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay and I never want to finish second again."
    Vince Lombardi

    Wow, isn't that SO arrogant? How can he possibly say that? Isn't he just giving the opposing teams locker room material?

    To answer that, let's look at the stats. Lombardi's the guy who won the first two Super Bowls, not to mention FIVE NFL Championships before the Super Bowl existed. He's also the guy that the Super Bowl trophy is now named after.

    When he said that first place was the only place in his game, he wasn't being arrogant. He was confident. There's a BIG difference.

    When Bronco publicly announced that BYU has the goal of winning a National Championship, he wasn't being arrogant. He was showing confidence.

    As Lombardi also said, "Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence."

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    To UtahMan4Ever:

    YOU SAID: "Utah's undefeated seasons playing teams like Alabama and impressing voters enough to break the BSC rules and vote Utah #1, yes, I would say Utah's two BSC victories were much more legitimate."

    FACT: One voter in the USA Today Coaches poll was impressed enough with the 2008 Utes to disregard the rules and vote the Utes first (in spite of winning a lesser BCS game) in the final 2008 USA Today Coaches poll: a voter named Kyle Whittingham!

    FACT: The 2004 undefeated Ute team received ZERO first place votes.

    PROOF: All this information is on the final season rankings for NCAA Div I football on ESPN.com for 2004 and 2008.

    Also see: Article "Voters give Florida No. 1 ranking; perfect Utah No. 2" on ESPN.com dated 9 Jan 2009. -- "Whittingham said he would vote his team No. 1 in the USA Today coaches' poll, even though the American Football Coaches Association has agreed to have all its voters place the winner of the BCS national championship game first on their ballots. Utah did receive one first-place vote in the coaches' poll and finished fourth. Whittingham isn't worried about losing his vote."

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    @BigCougar "Good info. What that's saying is that Utah almost has more followers who are really BYU haters than they do actual Utah fans. That explains why Rice-Chex and the Huntsman Center are only half full during down years but sold out when BYU comes to town."

    Great analysis, I think that's exactly what it says :)

    @Juggernaut "did you hear utah that year guarantee a national championship, no!"

    I'm pretty sure that BYU didn't guarantee a national championship that year, either. In fact, I'm pretty sure that BYU has NEVER guaranteed a national championship...they've just set it as a goal to strive for.

    I don't see what's wrong with that.

    Go Cougars!

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    To Mormon Ute:

    With all this talk about how classy Coach Whittingham is and how much of a sore loser Bronco is, it's obvious you have chosen to close your eyes to the infamous November 2007 Utah-Wyoming game.

    In case you forgot, Coach Glenn of Wyoming guaranteed a victory over Utah. Foolsih on Glenn's part, but he was probably trying to fire up his team. I don't know, I wasn't there.

    Utah, in an epic display of unsportsmanlike conduct, called for an onside kick when up 43-0 on the Cowboys. They recovered the kick and ended up scoring yet another touchdown on helpless Wyoming.

    Actions speak louder than words. For Whittingham to be playing the "humble new kid on the block" at a press conference in 2011 doesn't erase the mean-spirited play calling against a thoroughly beaten opponent in the past.

    Coach Whittingham has a good win-loss record and has done well with the Utes, but he is no saint in coach's clothing. Please don't bash the character of the team you love to hate, while obviously whitewashing the facets of your own coach's character you hope other MWC fans won't remember.

    Play fair!

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    To Mormon Ute:

    With all this talk about how classy Coach Whittingham is and how much of a sore loser Bronco is, it's obvious you have chosen to close your eyes to the infamous November 2007 Utah-Wyoming game.

    In case you forgot, Coach Glenn of Wyoming guaranteed a victory over Utah. Foolsih on Glenn's part, but he was probably trying to fire up his team. I don't know, I wasn't there.

    Utah, in an epic display of unsportsmanlike conduct, called for an onside kick when up 43-0 on the Cowboys. They recovered the kick and ended up scoring yet another touchdown on helpless Wyoming.

    Actions speak louder than words. For Whittingham to be playing the "humble new kid on the block" at a press conference in 2011 doesn't erase the mean-spirited play calling against a thoroughly beaten opponent in the past.

    Coach Whittingham has a good win-loss record and has done well with the Utes, but he is no saint in coach's clothing. Please don't bash the character of the team you love to hate, while obviously whitewashing the facets of your own coach's character you hope other MWC fans won't remember.

    Play fair!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    @Randyo1
    While Giant fan's checking his facts you should check yours. Just off the top of my head I remember a particularly over the top piece written by Rick Reilly that even many of his peers condemned as being jaded and unfactually scathing when he ripped Jimmer.

    There was as much negative coverage of the DAvies thing as there was positive. Also, if you watch ESPN you'll hear plenty of comments from both sides of the aisles guys like Mark May, Colin Cowherd, Mel Kiper Jr, etc don't blow any smoke when they talk about BYU. Neither does Kirk Herbstreit. For every Lee Corso you can find out there I can find more guys who aren't BYU Fans.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    July 28, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Duck hunter - check my comment. Bear learned there was no benefit from humiliating an opponent, that doesn't mean he never did. Go read his autobiography, he apologized publicly for doing it against Georgia Tech.

    Giant fan - go check your facts, there isn't an anti-BYU sports bias, in spite of the fans best effort to make it so. ESPN has nothing negative to say. Outside of comments about BYU's frequently weak schedule, not a whole lot of negative. There was even a lot of positive coverage of the Davies affair.

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    July 28, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    @Big Cougar,

    How is that stat even relevant, did you hear utah that year guarantee a national championship, no! Good comeback. Anyway, yeah Rock, lets bite the hand that feeds us and just make everyone in the conference mad before we have even played a game yet, that's like telling all of your co workers before you have even started your first day that you are better than all of them. Good way to start off.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    @truecoug1
    "I was on Facebook and noticed there's a BYU football page with 64,000+ likes...unfortunately, the U football page only has 17,000"

    Good info. What that's saying is that Utah almost has more followers who are really BYU haters than they do actual Utah fans. That explains why Rice-Chex and the Huntsman Center are only half full during down years but sold out when BYU comes to town.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @mgr63
    "I was looking on Facebook yesterday and there is a "Hate BYU" page"

    Am I supposed to cry about this or be saddened by it? Did you think this was startling news you were breaking? Dude, back in the early 90's SI ran a piece dubbing BYU as the most hated team in America.

    BYU is like the New York Yankees/Dallas Cowboys, love 'em or hate 'em they draw people out and generate crazy revenue. When the Yankees go on the road, opposing stadiums sell out and the local teams actually charge more for Yankees games when they come to town than they do for other visiting teams.

    Case in point, when Utah went to UCLA in 2006 59,000 fans attended Utah getting spanked. A year later, in 2007 BYU traveled to UCLA and 73,000 fans showed up. That's 25% more fans attending which contributed an additional $2 to $3 million (conservatively estimated) in tickets, food, souvenirs, parking, etc going into UCLA's pockets. TV announcers kept commenting on how the crowd sounded like a BYU home game.

    BYU moves the needle, Utah is irrelevant. Thanks for pointing that out. You're helping to make our case.

  • Mo Ute American Fork, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    So when some Utah fans act out of line, we all get dubbed classless by Max Hall and the BCM (BYU Centric Media) and told we should be more like BYU.

    Then our head coach and player representative go represent the University with class and dignity and the BCM tells us we should operate with less class like BYU.

    Same pro-BYU media drivel we are forced to endure year after year here in Utah.

    I will take Kyle's under selling and over delivering any day of the week to the constant over selling and under delivering, dog and pony show, Bronco puts on every year.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    @jiggernaut
    "Remember the "quest for perfection." nuff said"

    Remember 2005 and utah's 6th place finish in conference? nuff said.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    When talk and attitude win national championships, we will win it every year. We're that good at it in east Provo.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 28, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Re: mgr63

    So what you're saying is that a lot of ute fans really hate BYU? Wow, tell us more stuff we don't already know! How many ute fans will tell you that their favorite team is whoever's playing BYU and that their second is...uhhh...oh...uhhh...oh yeah...Utah!

    But hey, if that's the way it is, so be it. The Yankees are hated because they're good and they win. The Lakers are hated because they're good and they win. The Cowboys are hated because they're usually good. If you say so, then, that's good company!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 28, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Randy01 said,

    "If anything, BYU's top-15 rankings have more to do with a pro-BYU media bias than their level of their play against quality opposition."

    Pro-BYU media bias, huh? Wow, some utes are certainly delusional! And they say WE live in a bubble!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    @mgr63

    I was on Facebook and noticed there's a BYU football page with 64,000+ likes...unfortunately, the U football page only has 17,000

    How's that for spitting out completely meaningless numbers :)

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    Gotta love the delicious irony of Utah fans bragging about a championship the Utes never won, and then whining about the championship BYU did win.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    Shaun | 9:46 p.m. July 27, 2011
    Sandy, UT
    Byu fans are like the guy who brags he won a state championship twenty years ago. Stop living in the past. Who cares what you did five, ten, or thirty years ago.

    Going by your logic, ute fans should quit bragging about their BCS bowls as well, afterall it is in the past so who cares right?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 27, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    mgr63

    "I was looking on Facebook yesterday and there is a "Hate BYU" page, which I joined.......along with 11,808 others."

    What a shocker to discover that there are at least 11,809 "Utah fans" out there who aren't Utah fans at all, simply BYU haters.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    July 27, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    @ Hank Pym | 11:06 a.m. July 27, 2011

    "Do you hear Fla St, Miami, Texas, or Penn St flapping their gums?? Its been awhile since any of those powers have won an NC."

    Texas won just a few years ago.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    Byu fans are like the guy who brags he won a state championship twenty years ago. Stop living in the past. Who cares what you did five, ten, or thirty years ago.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    @runwasatch: what does that say for byu?
    Whenever I hear byu fans claim that Utah can't keep up in the PAC they are tacitly admitting that byu couldn't either. In fact for byu in a BCS conference, the peaks and valleys would be lower.

  • The Rabbit (in Spanish) Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    I love the wording on the questions. I'm sure the words "Cockiness" and "Entitled" aren't meant to create a reaction from the fan bases though! :)

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    Rock, come on man.

    NO... Utah should most certainly have NOT spouted off at Pac 12 day boasting about a National Championship that we all know is a very very tough and unlikely reality this season.

    So why in the world should they have boasted about it? I can't believe you really said that.

    That's right... let's upset everyone in the conference before we've even played a game, and alienate all the other Pac 12 fans with our small-time big-talk.

    Let's look at it this way... if us Ute fans had seen/heard Colorado spouting off all that "BYU attitude" during media day, what would we have thought?

    I would've wondered what the heck is wrong with them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    @randy01 and mgr

    Yes whittingham really showed his class with that onside kick while being up 40 points on a hapless wyoming team. You really pegged it randy when you compared him to Bear Bryant because kicking an onside while up by 40 is exactly what the Bear would've done....right?

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 27, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    re;dutchman

    Your might utes average .05 yards per carry in the game for a total of 13 yards!! Please stop pretending Alabama was jacked a ready to go. You got spotted 21 points, let Bama score on three straight posessions and hung on for dear life.

    Play a game that counts, when the pressures on, not when your entire fan base is saying things like, "Well we'll lose but at least were in the sugar bowl."

  • 3grandslams N. Liberty, IA
    July 27, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    re:dutchman

    Heck Alabama came to life in the 2nd Quarter. Utah scores 10 points the rest of the way, 10! If deflated Alabama doesn't spot you 21 points(even Utah fans were surprised) you would have never won. Alabama was deflated and depressed. Live with the truth. Really you scored 10 points the rest of the way. What happened?
    Like I said, play a game that counts, when the real pressure is on. U fans were conceding the game before it started and you know it.

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  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Coach Whitt could've talked about winning the national championship or the PAC 12 championship game the first year out.

    But Coach Whitt is smart and a good guy.

    Rock, get over yourself and your team in Provo. It's BYU and the other PAC coaches that need the Utah attitude. Do you're talkin on the field.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 27, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    BYU "attitude" = bad juju. Coach Whit handles himself like a gentleman, as do the Utes. They simply try their best to win is all. All we get from BYU players, coaches and fans is senseless boasting, ridiculous t-shirts and false claims. I was looking on Facebook yesterday and there is a "Hate BYU" page, which I joined.......along with 11,808 others. I looked up a myriad of other schools and the closest I found was two that had 438 and 397 haters. The Utes had a "hate Utah" page with 318 haters. I thought it was hilarious, but sad. Maybe someday you cougs will learn to be cool.........because people in this world despise you folks.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    July 27, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    I grew up listening to Southern football, mostly Bear Bryant, Frank Broyles, and Lou Holtz. There are eight outright national championships between these three coaches and 2 more where at least one group declared one of their teams a national champion. Bear almost always praised the competition, talked about being lucky to win games, and openly questioned his own ability as a coach.

    Neither of these coaches would have sanctioned a media day like BYU's. All would have been much more like Kyle in their approach. Bear in particular also took steps to avoid running up the score (the man could use the clock) and learned that it was unwise to humiliate their opponents. What goes around can and will come around. They didn't let talk detract from goals.

    The comparisons used to argue whether BYU and Utah is more relevant is highly entertaining, but mostly meaningless. Remember, Arkansas and Alabama both defeated more ranked teams in 2010 than BYU has since 1996.

    If anything, BYU's top-15 rankings have more to do with a pro-BYU media bias than their level of their play against quality opposition.

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Remember the "quest for perfection." nuff said

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    Hmmm. You guys are funny. Now back to this season. Interesting schedule, a bit of good luck. First season on a very big stage with a lot of eyes on you...glad to see Whit and Tony have more maturity than some of these posters...they go into the media gauntlet, show a lot of gratitude, a lot of poise and confidence, say all the right things. Chest thumping is pure arrogance; the classiest athletes don't so it even when they deserve to. Love your enemies, but beat them on the field. The USC game should be very good: Utah's first conference game, USC will come out wanting to blow everybody away. No lack of motivation for either team. I predict a fairly sloppy game: lots of emotion, but not late enough in the season to be polished. I also think the Utes will get better as the season moves along; getting more comfortable with a new offense. And with the huge media footprint Scott just forged, a lot of eyes will be watching our inaugural season. The boys will do just fine...

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Talk is cheap. Utah knows what it has to do.

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    @Fibby1123
    "Yeah, the Cougs won a national championship...in 1984. Almost 30 years ago. It's ancient history. Win a national championship in this millennium and I'll give you some credit."

    Hey Fibby, just win a National Championship period in football in any century and we'll give you some credit. Now, we do give you some credit in girls gymnastics...

    @Coach Carter
    "If the same rules applied when the Utes went undefeated as they were when BYU did, then the NC count would be Utah 1 BYU 1"

    What a riot! a ute fan crying about the rules not being the same? Well, if the rules were the same in 1996 as they were in 2004 and 2008, BYU would've gone to the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Cotton Bowl and they would've been first to a major bowl not Utah (even though BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 yrs before Utah did).

    The bottom line is you do the best with the cards you're dealt. On this one, BYU's best was a little better (a consensus National Championship) than Utah's best (2nd or 4th place). I think that explains why Utah aims a little lower than BYU does.

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    July 27, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    The UTES are about to learn how real football is played. No more of playing a good team on a weekend sandwiched in between to two nearly Jr. College teams.

    They will face big, fast, and means teams week after week...

    The UTE train wreck will be a blast to observe...

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Re: Man in Charge

    "We may not have any weber states on the schedule but we have BYU who is the equivalent of weber state now."

    Ohh, that cuts deep! Not as deep though as the pain of losing to BYU on September 17 will be! Don't even try to tell me you're not worried because we know you are!!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Henry Drummond

    "I think Coach Kyle believes in doing his talking on the field,"

    Both he and his players, like they did pre-game against Boise State, before getting crushed by the Broncos.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    Re: Henry Drummond

    "I think Coach Kyle believes in doing his talking on the field, rather than putting it on t-shirt."

    No, I think what you mean is that he chooses not to state his goals out loud so that by chance if lightning strikes again for his Utes, he and they can claim it was their goal all along. Pretty savvy, I must say.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    July 27, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    BYU was as legitimate a national champion in 1984 as any national champion. All five major selecting organizations awarded the national championship to the Cougars. They deserved it!

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    July 27, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    It's amazing, all of the BYU fans' derogatory comments on this article on the Utes.

    It's called sour grapes.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Re: Mormon Ute,

    I know that a lot of Utes thought they had a chance of winning that game. My point was that the majority seemed to also believe there was a chance of being blown out like Hawaii the year before. I don't think they were too confident since Utah had to squeak out some pretty tight games against Oregon State and TCU, among others. It wasn't until after that shocking win in New Orleans that Ute fans even put their team in the NC discussion.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    July 27, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    We may not have any weber states on the schedule but we have BYU who is the equivalent of weber state now.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 27, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    I think Coach Kyle believes in doing his talking on the field, rather than putting it on t-shirt.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Re: JustGordon

    Seriously? Washington deserved the NC? They didn't even win the Pac-10 or else they would've gone to the Rose Bowl that year! And, they left an invite to play the #1 team and a chance to win an NC on the table to go play for more money in Miami. They deserve what they got which was NO National Championship!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 27, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Utah's definition of a "quest"...

    is to have all of the best PAC 12 teams put on probation,

    back into winning the PAC 12 South with only two or three losses,

    hope to slip past another less than stellar PAC 12 North winner,

    then beat their chests about playing in the Rose Bowl...

    as if they've actually accomplished something.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    We'll agree to disagree about Pearl Harbor. One more thing, though, I wouldn't say the Japanese "missed" our aircraft carriers since in the first place they miscalculated their worth to our military. The Japanese believed that the war in the Pacific would be decided by battleships, that's why our's were their primary targets. They wanted to take out our battleships while also buying themselves time to build more of their own. That proved to be a major strategic blunder as it turned out our carriers are what allowed us to win the Pacific. Also, the Japanese choosing not to send a third wave into Pearl Harbor to target our fuel storage and submarine base proved to be a poor decision.

    Go Cougars!!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 27, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    deductive reasoning @ 3:46 p.m. July 27, 2011

    Steven Black's analysis and a nickel is worth about 5 cents.

    Steven Black? Steven Black? Can't you find someone better than that? He had written a whopping 8 articles for Bleacher Reports and ranked a miserable 8,614 (on a scale of 1 to at least 8,614 with 1 being the best); no not miserable, more like pathetic.

    If you're going to do Shakespeare, don't go to Jerry Lewis. If you're going to talk sports, don't....well I'm sure you can fill in the rest.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    Back in '84...

    Sincerely,

    Uncle Rico

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 27, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    "In 2008, Utah went undefeated against quality opponents, and capped it off by winning a huge bowl game against a great team."

    and still Utah only finished #2/#4 in the polls.

    Maybe if Utah had actually done something from 2005 to 2007, the Utes might have had enough credibility to have been considered a national championship contender in 2008.

    Call us the next time Utah has FIVE Top 12 finishes in SIX years...

    The kids on the hill have never even sniffed at such an accomplishment,

    in fact,

    BYU's FIVE Top 12 finishes in SIX years is more than Utah has accomplished in its ENTIRE HISTORY.

    The difference between being a legacy program and being a one or two hit wonder, is doing it year after year after year.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 27, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    JustGordon. You and Steven Black need to look at the score from the BYU/Washington game in 1985. Sure, college teams turn over each year but anyways.

    Also, Washington had an invite to play BYU but chose money over a NC.

    I guess I can't compare the feeling of a BCS win to a NC but my guess is there is no comparison. From what I hear, the trophy for a NC is way cooler.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 27, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    JustGordon

    "Here's Steven Black's analysis of the mythical Y championship, "The AP probably should've awarded their No. 1 ranking to Washington, a team that went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl over No. 2 Oklahoma. Instead, the Huskies finished second in the final poll behind a BYU team that had not truly been tested all season."

    The Huskies were invited to play #1 ranked BYU, but chose to play #2 ranked Oklahoma instead. If Washington had accepted the invitation to play BYU, this debate wouldn't be occurring, would it?

    Besides, what makes you think one person's opinion is more legimate than the 60 or so AP writers who voted on the AP poll in 1984?

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    July 27, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    Actually, I ask this one question.... How many times in the history of UU football have the been ranked #1 in any poll? How many times in Utah Football History have the Utes beaten a #1? Are we really this petty?

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    GoGetter | 3:08 p.m. July 27, 2011
    Sandy, UT

    and Rock is one of the better ones. Imagine Harmon writing this article.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    What is wrong with having lofty aspirations? What is wrong with wanting to achieve the seemingly unachievable? If in fact it is beyond the realm of possibility for BYU to win (another) national championship then it is beyond the realm of possibility for most D1 college football programs, and the whole thing is a complete sham. Of course, everyone knows the BCS is a complete sham, but I see nothing wrong with Bronco openly stating he wants to be able to reach the same heights that his predecessor did in the 80's. The only people who seem to be offended by this are the fans of schools who have yet to achieve this for the first time. For BYU fans this is nothing more than the perfectly natural desire to see your team accomplish something again.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    GoGetter

    "Let me just say one thing:

    Utah 2008- The Quest Perfected"

    Only a delusional Utah fan would try to claim that something less than a national championship is "perfection".

    Of course, that's SOP for Utah.

    Winning the 2nd best tournament in 1944.
    Losing the championship game in 1998.
    Finishing 2nd in 2008.

    Always a bridesmaid; never a bride.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    I can't believe DNews actually hires guys that write this kinda junk. It must be a slow day in the newsroom for sports.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    In 2008, Utah went undefeated against quality opponents, and capped it off by winning a huge bowl game against a great team.

    The Yners have NEVER even sniffed at such an accomplishment.

    But stay on that quest!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    Here's Steven Black's analysis of the mythical Y championship, "The AP probably should've awarded their No. 1 ranking to Washington, a team that went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl over No. 2 Oklahoma. Instead, the Huskies finished second in the final poll behind a BYU team that had not truly been tested all season." Amen.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Nice work Rock. You knew this article would turn a bunch of adults into 3rd graders.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    July 27, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    Utah fans simply can't live with the fact that no matter how they spin it

    #1 will ALWAYS be better than #2

    It would be nice if Utah fans would show a little consistency with all of their BCS drum beating.

    The official BCS poll is the Coaches poll, which only ranked the Utes #5 in 2004 and #4 in 2008.

    If the Utes are going to insist on citing their #2 ranking from 2008, they should get off their BCS high horse, because the AP poll, which ranked the Utes #2, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the BCS.

  • CougarLover Nowhere, US
    July 27, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Coachcarter,

    So, what does that say about your BCS "invite"? You didn't win your way into a BCS game, you were "invited". Your final ranking? It was voted on. Wow, you beat a bunch of teams that finished .500 or worse, then watch as Alabama plays some of the worst football of their season. That is really something to beat your chests about.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 27, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    giantfan,

    You obviously don't know me. When asked by my BYU fan friends about the upcoming Sugar Bowl and who our opponent would be, I told them all I would prefer Alabama out of all the top ten teams at the time and I felt we had a legitimate shot at beating them. Most of them laughed at the thought, but I truly felt that way.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    coachcarter,

    What's the difference today? The NC is still "awarded" to a team because there is no true playoff system. Sure, there is a "BCS National Championship" game but to be "invited" to play in that game you still have to be #1 or #2 in that beauty contest that is the BCS rankings (2/3 human polls). And even with that, the AP poll still awards it's national championship exactly the same way it did in 1984 and they are not held to the results of the BCS CG. So keep trying to diminish what BYU did in 1984, the fact of the matter is they were a consensus national championship, something only 18 other teams can claim in the last 50 years, and still something the BSC era has failed to ensure (USC 2003).

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 27, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    It's always a good idea to pay attention to, and follow Big Brother.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    coachcarter

    Tell me one single team from 1936 (when the AP poll was started) until 2010, that wasn't AWARDED the AP national championship.

    Don't forget that even in the BCS era, USC won the 2003 AP national championship WITHOUT playing in the BCS championship game.

    BYU can beat their chests because in 1984 BYU was voted #1 by all FIVE selecting organizations, the very same experts who ranked Utah 2004 #4/#5 and Utah 2008 #2/#4.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    You guys are too funny. Are your two BCS bowl victories really somehow tarnished by BYU's national championship? Somehow your accomplishments are somehow less relevant because BYU was voted the consensus national champion in 1984???

    I agree with a previous poster. I am terribly sorry you feel threatened somehow by our t-shirts.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    The jealous football revisionists up on the hill just can't live with one simple fact, the ONLY criteria for winning the AP National Championship (the only poll Utah fans cite), is to convince the majority of AP football experts that you are the most deserving team to win the national championship.

    BYU did that in 1984. How?

    By building a resume from 1979-1984 that included
    --FIVE Top 12 finishes
    --back-to-back Top 7 finishes
    --a 24-game winning streak that included two road wins over Top 15 teams
    --6 straight conference championships
    --an overall record of 66-9(88%)

    Utah couldn't do that in 2004 and 2008, because from 1999-2004, Utah only had
    --ONE Top 12 finish
    --NO back-to-back Top 20 finishes
    --a 15-game winning streak that included NO wins over a Top 25 team
    --only 3 conference championships
    --an overall record of 44-22(69%)

    and from 2003-2008, Utah only had
    --TWO Top 12 finishes
    --NO back-to-back Top 20 finishes
    --a 13-game winning streak that included three wins over Top 25 teams (at home)
    --only 3 conference championships
    --an overall record of 59-16(79%)

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    Giantfan,

    The US was a weak disorganized military force at the beginning of WWII fostered by years of neglect by our politicians. The Japanese had the latest in new equipment including the "zero" fighter planes designed by Howard Hughes who couldn't sell the design to our own leaders. The superior Japanese forces took out our naval fleet at Pearl Harbor but luckily missed our aircraft carriers because they had left to go to sea. It was General Marshall who had the skill and leadership to rebuild the US military into a fighting force.

    Laser,

    "......Alabama who were disheartened and deflated"

    I get so sick of hearing this from BYU fans. You obviously did not see the game or have not reviewed it lately. I was there in person and I have watched it on DVD several times. Alabama was a bit shell shocked the first half but when the second half started they were jacked and on fire. They got the score to within one touchdown and were kicking off to Utah. Stop Utah, get the ball back and score again and the game is all tied up. Instead, Utah takes the ball 80 yards and a score.

  • coachcarter West Valley City, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    My point is still valid. BYU didn't win the NC, they were awarded it. Wow, you beat a bunch of teams that finished .500 or worse. That is really something to beat your chests about.

  • Deseret_Observer KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    To the screener: how many of the comments between UTE/BYU fans violate your comments policy? Seriously, just because a comment is critical of the author and his motives the comment is rejected? You've posted much more offensive comments.

    My original comment (that was rejected) asked what the purpose of this article was. Was it to provide "thoughtful and helpful [comments] to your fellow readers with additional insight or counterpoints to the article"? Or was it simply to provoke another battle between UTE/BYU fans full of name calling, and other inappropriate comments. If the goal was to provoke the ire of the fans, I ask where the journalistic integrity of the artilce lies. If it was to provide thoughtful insight, I argue that the author fell well short of the mark...

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    To giantfan;

    Considering the level of competition BYU played in 1984 (a 6-6 hurt Michigan team was your greatest triumph) compared to undefeated seasons playing teams like Alabama and impressing voters enough to break the BSC rules and vote Utah #1, yes, I would say Utah's two BSC victories were much more legitimate than the 'national championship".

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    "Where are my Cougars expected to finish in the Independant league this year?"

    The pundits have them finishing no lower the 4th, I personally think those awsome fellers will finish no worst than 2nd!

    Mark it down!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Re: UtahMan4ever

    "Utah has shone brightly, winning two BCS games, which no matter how much it pains the cougs, are much more legitimate than the "national championship" backed into in 1984. "

    This is the kind of thinking that just blows my mind! Only in Ute Fantasyland are two also-ran finishes better than one first-place finish! Quick, go tell the Utah Jazz and the Buffalo Bills! Their long sought after championships are no longer necessary since they've finished second more than once!!

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Undefeated:

    To you guys, its a quest.

    To us, its just what we do.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    Re: JoCo Ute

    Having a goal and stating it publicly is not the same as guaranteeing it. By stating their goal is a National Championship, BYU is not making a prediction that they will win a championship. That's one thing Ute fans fail to recognize. They get all up in arms at BYU and its fans, calling them arrogant and cocky for stating their goals. Weird.

    I'll leave you with this:

    1. I hope that BYU wins a National Championship this year and I'm glad it's the team's publicly declared goal.

    2. I predict that BYU goes 10-3 this year with wins over Utah and in their bowl game. But no National Championship in 2011.

    See the difference yet?

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Let me just say one thing:

    BYU 2008- The Quest for the Perfection
    Utah 2008- The Quest Perfected

    The difference between Utah and BYU is that BYU talks a perfect season while Utah makes it a reality.

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    tO TrueCoug 1

    Even if the "national championship" of 1984 wasn't tainted, it was still almost 30 years ago. Typical of a BYU fan to live in the past, since the present is not all that rosy and the future will really be nasty. The "national championship" led to the current system, designed to keep schools like Utah and BYU out of limelight, but guess what? Utah has shone brightly, winning two BCS games, which no matter how much it pains the cougs, are much more legitimate than the "national championship" backed into in 1984.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    BigCougFan | 12:05 p.m. July 27, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    and what place in the Independant conference will we be happy to get?

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    July 27, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Remember the "Quest for Perfection?" How'd that work out for BYU? Now BYu has the "Quest for a National Championship." Wonder how that will work out. One of my favorite quotes is "Under promise and over deliver."

    It's all about the bottom line and not some fancy quote that will come back to choke you.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Attitude? No, it's confidence. BYU is much more confident in what can be accomplished than the Utes. Utah will be happy to come in third place this year.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    The Japanese were planning military action in Southeast Asia and knew that if they had a chance to do it successfully, they had to cripple the U.S. Pacific fleet first. Hence Pearl Harbor. If the Japanese were already a superior force, why didn't they just go ahead and do as they pleased without striking the U.S. first? Fact is the U.S. was a superior military power and Japan knew it. When the U.S. subsequently declared war on Japan, Germany immediately declared war on the U.S. Both Hitler and the Japanese believed they had a decent shot of defeating a U.S. divided into a two-front war. Still didn't work.

    Back to football, the truth is Utah is scared to ever publicize their goals because of the possibility that they might not accomplish them. They've always struggled in their confidence but I guess maybe by not readily declaring goals, they can "exceed expectations" more often.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    UTAH should do things the UTAH way...period!

    You can say anything into a vacuum. Talk is cheap and it's apparently on sale in provo. Compare that to Los Angeles, Bristol, and New York. Thanks for the advice Brad but our new peers run in different, not so peculiar circles now.

  • timmysfan CITRUS HEIGHTS, CA
    July 27, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    But why, some say, [a national championship]? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does [BYU] play Texas?
    We choose to go [independent]. We choose [a national championship] in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too
    Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, "Because it is there."
    Well, a [national championship] is there, and we're going to climb it, and [independence] and the [BCS] are there, and new hopes for [exposure] and [national recognition] are there. And, therefore, as we set sail we ask God's blessing on the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which [BYU] has ever embarked.
    Thank you.
    Modified from JFK's Moon Speech 1962

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 27, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    AZRods "We play and compete in ALL the major sports.
    Check your record on championships in basketball, baseball, football, wrestling, swimming, track, golf or whatever sports you like."

    Yet Utah didn't win a MWC championship at all last year. Won't it be tougher going to a conference where they pride themselves on champions and your team isn't even winning championships? BYU won 140 MWC championships. Utah won 39, about as many as UNLV. Utah needs to earn their own championships if they want to add to the "champion" part of the conference. With 11 other teams, that will be EXTREMELY challenging to ever get one championship in any sport.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    @JDL @ 7:18

    "BYU is playing on a field very few programs are brave enough to dream about.." Just like the Y to follow in the footsteps of Utah State and ten's of other teams who have been brave enough to dream of independence only to wake up from the nightmare.

    As for others ... if national championships are the only criteria for football respectability then BYU must be half as good as Army.

  • Sportfanatic West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Give the Cougars credit for going undefeated because there is not much else they did in 1984 to deserve national championship consideration. Several "mid-major" teams since, like Boise State in 2006, Utah in 2004 & 2008, and Tulane in 1998, have gone undefeated only to miss out on any serious national title consideration.

    The Cougars defeated only one bowl team during the regular season (Air Force), and did not play anyone who finished the season ranked in the top 20. BYU's most impressive road win was at Pittsburgh, who finished the season 3-7-1.

    Lavell Edwards' squad clinched the national championship by playing in the Holiday Bowl against a 6-5 Michigan team, easily Bo Schembechler's worst squad in his 21 years in Ann Arbor. It is still the only Michigan team to finish without a winning record since 1967.

    And there you have it Cougar fans. The summary of a 1984 undefeated season.

    The Utes deserved it especially in 2008 when they went 12-0 and gave a shallacking to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl 31-17. The finished 2nd.

    And I'm a cougar fan! Please stop smacking the Utes about our 1984 season.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 27, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    BCS wins are nothing. They've been dumbed down so much. The only game is the NC, period. Utah BCS wins were against Pitt, who were pathetic at best and Alabama who were disheartened and deflated.

    Utah get into a game that counts and then you can talk. You hold up BCS games like it's a NC. There not! You got whooped last hear by two BCS crasher themselves, so basically you're the weakest of the crashers, just sliding in above Hawaii. You got exposed last year as all talk no show. You barely managed to beat BYU, a team full of freshman and sophmores! And you needed a bad fumble call for help to boot!

    There's your persepective. Stop calling Cougars arrogant when you are afflicted and crippled with the disease. If your so powerful how come you barely have 3 outright conf. championships in the last 60 years?!

    The PAC 12 is going to expose every flaw and WHITtle you down to nothing. No Weber States on the schedule.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    giantfan,

    Any great general will go for the surprise attack when he can even if he has superior forces. Just because a surprise attack is used and preferred it does not mean that the initiator of the suprise attack is inferior in anyway. When the Japanese pulled off the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor they had vastly superior forces. They had been fighting in China for a decade and had trained veteran forces while the U.S. was cutting defenses and defense spending to the point that in 1939 when WWII began the U.S. was ranked about 16th in the World in military might. So another analogy. General Whittingham has the forces to win and he knows it but he is not going to show it. So, in a precise "feint operation" meant to throw the opposing forces off, he brings an offensive lineman to the media day rather than some big play makers to give the impression to the opposing force that he may be weak. Nice move general. This is how great war planners think and work.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    ummm AZRods, you must be new. sammyg is an ankle-biting cougar fan. He is constantly on here barking, but he has very little bite.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 27, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Two things above the fact that I really don't get what this article is about. Is Rock calling out the Utes because the need more fire. Is he insinuating that the Utes don't think they have a chance. After all the bragging last year (TCU coming to town, all fan boards thinking NC, Rock seemed to miss that highmindedness) and for the last 8 months is Rock trying to convince people the utes are humble?

    What championship does BYU have to play for now? Nothing but the NC. So why not set your sights on it. Does he want BYU to say, "We just want to win a few games." What is BYU supposed to say?

    Take a stand Rock call out the Utes or the Cougs, but neutral is weak.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Dennis;

    "Emulating anything "BYU" is the last thing Utah should do, and certainly not on the mind of anyone up on the hill."

    Does that include winning a national championship?
    Just curious

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    July 27, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    @sammyg, Yes, we call it the conference of champions because.......WE ARE. And it's not even close.
    You then mention your BCS wins compared to our championships???
    You can have your BCS wins, we'll keep the championships.
    It's all about balance sammy.
    We play and compete in ALL the major sports.
    Check your record on championships in basketball, baseball, football, wrestling, swimming, track, golf or whatever sports you like.
    You can't just pick one to make a case.
    Personally, I'm hoping Utah comes in quietly and kicks some arrogant west coast tail.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    @ Fibby1123 | 1:31 a.m. July 27, 2011

    "Yeah, the Cougs won a national championship...in 1984. Almost 30 years ago. It's ancient history. Win a national championship in this millennium and I'll give you some credit."

    Exactly. Do you hear Fla St, Miami, Texas, or Penn St flapping their gums?? Its been awhile since any of those powers have won an NC.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    I for one am glad that BYU was "awarded a NC" back before they decided they should stop handing them out to teams who didn't beat a single ranked opponent, including their bowl game. (Bleh)

    Somehow this award from last century still helps coug fans get their hopes up and beat their chests before every season, declaring themselves pre season champions "again".

    So thank you, broken system of the past, for so, so, so many years of entertainment.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Where are my Cougars expected to finish in the Independant league this year?

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Its hilarious that BYU fans continually bring up their ancient championship when erroneously claiming present day superiority over the Utes. You were better than Utah 30 years ago. We get that. However, its pretty obvious Utahs been the better team in recent history and has a much better situation in the upcoming season and beyond. So by all means BYU fans, keep living in the past because your future really isnt so bright when compared to Utahs.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    July 27, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    I am with the poll in the article-this is apples and oranges. BYU is independent, they have no division or conference to win, their goal is to win the one title within (hopefully) their reach. Does that mean it will be this year? No. Even an undefeated season would require much outside help because we don't start in the rankings. Utah's situation is entirely different and I'm glad they didn't come in guns a'blazing. However I bet their first and foremost goal is to win their division, then to win their conference, then on to a NC. You reach for what is in front of you.

    The same could be said of the BCS wins vs. NC argument. No question that two BCS wins in the past decade is more relevant to football today than a national title 25 years ago (yes, the year I was born...). But forty years from now if neither team does anything noteworthy then a NC will outweigh any number of bowl wins, no matter how prestigious. Apples and oranges... I won't say I'm not jealous of that notch in Utah's belt, and I bet most Utah fans wish they had a NC :)

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    July 27, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    JJ Morales,

    You conveniently left off a few a few items:

    1. Utah BCS victories = 2; BYU = none
    2. Utah = in a prestigious conference with more NCAA titles than any other conference; BYU = future uncertain, and would kill to be in one of the top BCS conferences
    3. Most recent game = Utah 17 BYU 16
    4. Utah's overall record against BYU = 54 wins; BYU 34 wins

    Most of your list includes individual awards. Anyone who has ever played football and understands the dynamics of the game will tell you that it's a team sport. Individual awards have little relevance to the overall success of the program.

    By the way, you say "Utah can't have BYU('s) attitude because their winning tradition doesn't compare to BYU's". You say this in spite of BYU having 20 more losses in head-to-head competition against Utah. Interesting.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    screenname123

    I was!

    That was also the beginning of an unending disrespect for Barry Switzer and Bo Schembecler.

    Well okay, I can't remember how to spell their names, but that IS a long time to carry a grudge.

    I also remember how sad all washington fans were that they played BYU at the beginning of 1985 instead of the end of 1984.

  • truetoU Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read.... What else does byu have to play for, absolutely nothing!!!! Not being in a conference only leaves them that one goal. And guess what after one loss, just one loss it is over. What else do they have to play for. nothing except pride.

    Utah has used the same one game at a time attitude to get them to two bcs bowl games, not t-shirts before the season stating their greatness before a game has even been played. This doesn't mean Utah doesn't have a national championship as a goal. Guess what... every team does. But there are steps to that goal. Like winning your division, then your conference and then guess what, now for the Utes the chance for a bcs game every year. while all byu has is their goal of a NC.... what else do their players or their coach have to talk about, again nothing. So don't applaud them and think they are so great because they are out there trumpeting this. There is nothing else for them to say. Good luck with that goal...

    PAC12 >>> independence - no contest based on this one fact!!!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    who cares if BYU doesn't have BCS wins, we have a National Championship

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    screenname123

    "How many BYU fans commenting about 1984 on here were even alive when BYU won their National Championship?"

    How Utah fans commenting on this blog are old enough to remember Utah's 1998 NCAA championship game run? Yet Utah fans constantly bring that up when talking about Utah's past glories in basketball.

    Utah fans have selective memory when it comes to football and basketball.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Attitude separates the winners from the losers. Either BYU or Utah will be weighed and measured by the outcome of the Sept 17 game in Provo. If Utah or BYU end up 3-0 after the game then sugar plums will start dancing around in their fans' heads. If either one has already lost, then no sugar plums for either team.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Re: screenname123

    I was 10 years old. I remember it vividly as it was like my birth of being the rabid sportsfan I am today. Am I allowed to talk about it then? According to you?

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Remember, BYU has never "won" a national championship. However, in 1984, they were "awarded" a national championship.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    The Cougars have a national title, but have never played in a national title game. The BCS is a whole different world. For BYU, the only path there is perfection. One loss and done.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Uh coach carter...as TrueBlue so aptly pointed out there is no difference between the system now and the system when BYU won a concensus National Championship in football. The difference between what BYU did in 1984 and what utah did in 2004 is that the voters actually considered BYU worthy of being named NCAA Football National Champions and they did not consider utah worthy of that honor.

    The bcs championship is an entity unto itself, the other organizations that award the National Championship are not beholden to the bcs and in fact just a few short years ago, the AP awarded the National Championship to usc whereas the bcs awarded their championship to LSU.

    In otherwords utahs undefeated seasons were so underwhelming to the voters that utah basicly was given no consideration whatsoever from any of them for the honor. That was true even in the year utah was the only undefeated team in the entire nation.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Congrats to the D News for not even pretending to be anything but a cheerleader for BYU. I don't mind either approach. If BYU wants to talk about winning a national title, fine. If Utah doesn't want to put a target on their back by doing the same thing, fine.
    They have different goals with each statement.
    BYU wants to get their fans excited.
    Utah wants to win as many games as possible, which they have found that stirring the hornets nest doesn't help.

    The goal is the same, they want to win. They just take different approaches. BYU does not have the same target on their back by making this statement as Utah would.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    Nice analogy, except that the surpise attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor was the only way they had a shot against the superior American army. Same with Washington. Read the book 1776 by McCullough, you'll see that Washington was severely overmatched and knew it. He knew they were inferior to the British in numbers and it was due in large part with the help of the French later on that the American Revolution was won. So, by not stating their goals publicly, are Kyle and other Utes saying they know head-to-head they really have no chance?

    Fact of the matter is Utah has always struggled with having confidence in their abilities and it translates directly to their fanbase. Take 2008 as a prime example. The dozens of Ute fans I know were nothing less than astounded that they were able to finish the regular season undefeated and they were scared silly of being embarrassed by Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. It was only after that surprising victory that you started to hear ideas that they should've been in the National Championship discussion. Before that? Not a chirp.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    yarrlydarb says:
    "Sounds like they'll be so evenly matched they'll all have .500 win/loss records in conference play. It'll be SO interesting, not one of them will go to a BCS bowl."

    Wrong, my friend. The winner of the Pac-12 championship game is GUARANTEED a BCS bid, whether their record is 8-5 or 13-0. It's called an automatic bid. And if two Pac-12 teams are highly ranked (like Stanford and Oregon last year) there is a chance that they both get BCS bids.

    BYU should negotiate a better deal with the BCS before they discover that independence isn't all it's cracked up to be. For the Y to get an automatic bid, they must finish in the top two of the BCS standings. To do this, you need to be ranked in the top 15 at the START of the season.

    Auburn was ranked #23 at the start of last season and made the biggest jump ever, to #1. It helped that they beat several teams in the Top 10-15 along the way. For BYU to make such a jump, they will need to win out, and hope their opponents have good seasons also.

  • screenname123 Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    How many BYU fans commenting about 1984 on here were even alive when BYU won their National Championship? Can you really re-live the past if you weren't even alive to "live it" in the first place?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 27, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Bronco sets high expectations and declares them publicly.
    Whittingham keeps his expectations secret. Results:

    BCS wins
    Bronco - none
    Kyle - one

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco - four
    Kyle - two

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco - three
    Kyle - one

    MWC championships
    Bronco - two
    Kyle - one

    Bronco never lost to a lower division MWC team (undefeated against New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming, and UNLV).

    Kyle lost to every team in the MWC at least once, including that humiliating shutout to UNLV(2-10) 0-27.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    The Desperate News trying to get the Cougar fan base to react. It was PAC 12 media day, no one spoke of or thought about BYU.

    Move on folks.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    @mussingaround

    Bronco blatantly throws out national title speak so that his failures to even get to a BCS game, like even Hawaii has done, seem more "nobel."

    Bronco should try walking (BCS game) before he tries sprinting (National title).

    But he can't bring up the word BCS. It just angers BYU fans and reminds them on the BCS accomplishment chart, they are 2 notches below Utah, and a notch below Hawaii, Wake Forest, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia, Maryland, etc.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Robert Johnson, and all the others:

    "Utah would rather do its talking on the field where it actually counts. We all know what happens when blowhards walk in feeling cocky....they leave looking like fools."

    The last team I remember talking on the field was right before kickoff in the LV bowl, a certain team getting right up in the faces of a non-bcs opponent and behaving, if you'll pardon me for saying so, unjustifiably arrogant.

    K-Whitt (I really do love that guy!) and his players appear to have learned a hard lesson from that experience. Some of the fans? Not so much.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    coachcarter

    "If the same rules applied when the Utes went undefeated as they were when BYU did, then the NC count would be Utah 1 BYU 1"

    This is a Utah fan fantasy.

    The same rules did apply in 1984, 2004, and 2008, finish #1 in the AP and Coaches polls.

    BYU did.

    Utah didn't.

    Being undefeated never has been a criteria or a guarantee for winning a NC. Lots of teams have been undefeated, and not won a NC -- see Penn State, Marshall, and Tulane, as just a few examples.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Nice try Brad. The Deseret News will do anything to get their BYU fan base to read an article. Football is war and in war surprise attacks are a lot more devastating and effective than telling everyone you are on the march and coming after them. Witness the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. Remember Washington crossed the Delaware River and defeated the British in a suprise attack. Washington never said, "Hey British, we are better than you and now we are coming after you and we will knock your heads off". Nope, he just quietly planned and put a strategy together and then beat the tar out of them. Whittingham is a general. He knows how to war game. He handled the PAC 12 media day just right and he didn't bring any # 1 T-shirts.

  • Shooter_McGavin Las Vegas, NV
    July 27, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    "To Utah, the big fish from a little pond. Welcome to the PACific ocean. Watch out for the sharks."

    Sincerely,

    The PAC-12

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    @ Mormon Ute | 9:24 a.m. July 27, 2011
    Kaysville, UT

    It will.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 27, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Utah keeps their national championship goal secret so when they fail, they can deny that they ever had such a goal to begin with.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    I looked in the on line dictionary at the word "insecure". It said to look at the posts of anti-BYU Yners on a DN football article. I was curious so I looked up "obsessed". It had the exact same definition as insecure.
    I am going to look up "jealous" next.

    In all fairness. Kyle Whittingham is a "speak softly and carry a big stick" kind of coach. Players tend to take on the attitude of their coach to some degree.

    Bronco Mendenhall tends to be more emotional and outwardly inspiring. He hired coaches who tend to have this philosophy. His players have adopted this same attitude to some level.

    Two different styles that have been working pretty well for the last several years for both men.

    Funny thing is. If the personalities were reversed. Fans of both schools would be defending their coaches style just as passionately as they are now.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    I like Coach Witt's approach. This way he doesn't put other teams on the defense nor does he give them bulletin board material. He also doesn't set the press up for a bunch of smack talk back at him after the season, if things don't go well.

    What BYU is doing comes across as arrogance, not confidence. If they had already won a few BCS games, it would be different. If they had finished with a decent record last year, it would be different. If they acutally had an agreement getting them into a BCS game, it would be different. Right now all they have are a bunch of high profile games on ESPN in which they will look really silly, if they don't win. When I read all the quotes from BYU's media day I couldn't help remembering 'Quest for Perfection'. For BYU's sake I sure hope history doesn't repeat itself.

  • JJ Morales Provo, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    BYU- One National Championship utah- none
    BYU- 20+ conference titles (WAC & MWC) utah- less than 10
    BYU- Heisman Trophy utah- none
    BYU- 2 Outland Trophy winners utah- none
    BYU- Numerous all-Americans utah- very few, if any
    BYU- BYUtv and ESPN utah- kjzz and versus
    BYU- national fan base utah- local and state fan bases
    BYU- legendary coach Edwards utah- Meyer was 2 yrs. and out

    utah can't have BYU attitude because their winning tradition doesn't compare to BYU's.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    No thanks.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    July 27, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Jimmy James, you posted,

    "It feels like every other year BYU is talking about their national championship chances and then not even coming close in the long run."

    "Feels like" is much different than actually saying it. Please name one time before this year that Bronco or anyone officially connected to BYU said they would win a NC.

    If you say some posters and some fans said it, you are correct, but remember last year when the same was posted all across these boards by U fans and they surely didn't bring it.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    July 27, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Utah would rather do its talking on the field where it actually counts. We all know what happens when blowhards walk in feeling cocky....they leave looking like fools.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 27, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    LOTR

    It's interesting how fixated Utah fans get on BYU announcing their goals publicly, like there's some kind of nobility in keeping your goals a deep, dark secret until you've accomplished your goals, and then crowing about your accomplishment after the fact.

    Of course, Utah fans weren't at all shy about proclaiming Utah's national championship expectations last season just before that humiliating meltdown in the "biggest game in Utah history", but that's "different".

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Great article. Rock on. i believe what we are seeing is Utah being told to sit in their seat and don't ask questions. it will be interesting to see if that translates the same for the Utes as it has for AZ and ASU who mandatorily were put in the cellar for a few decades OR will the Utes be "allowed" to play to win? Certainly the Package 12 hierarchy is "scared" the Utes will win right off the bat so the conference has "penalized" them monetarily for several years in an effort to keep them down and out and hopefully forever similar to AZ and ASU who are not "true" pacific coast teams similar to Utah and Colorado now. Expansion was and is about the money and supposed TV markets including expanded Sunday play coverage.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    July 27, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    talk is cheap

  • JP Skillet SLC, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Great comment earlier "BYU comes out every year claiming they have the best team ever and they're on their way to a national championship...until they get pie on their faces from that first loss. Then they have to work their way back from the disappointment from their own fans and mocking from everyone else." I also agree with BamaUte who said he'll take Kyle's quiet confidence over Bronco's Utah Valley MLM hype.

    It's so true, byu fans, although very loyal and passionate, which is extremely admirable and cute, are always big talk in the off-season and overly optimistic that it does get very annoying. I agree that many Utah fans are arrogent about Pac-12, but as a fan base, utah fans aren't as obnoxious about predictions as BYU and bragging about 15 year olds that make verbals.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    @Fibby1123, coachcarter, HappyLDSUte

    I said "Now let's hear all the Ute fans excuses about how BYU's national championship doesn't count". Thanks for validating me :)

    The only FACT that concerns me is that BYU has a national championship and Utah does not.

    The only FACT that concerns me is that BYU was voted consensus national champions in 1984 by everyone that mattered (and that, unfortunately for U, didn't include U fans) and Utah never has been, even in their two 'amazing' BCS years.

    The only FACT that concerns me is that BYU has a national championship trophy in their Legends Hall, while Utah hangs their hat on their two lesser BCS wins.

    So @TheNIT, is it arrogant for BYU to have a goal for something which they've already done once before? I don't call that arrogance...I call it confidence, and I'm glad that Bronco and the boys in blue have it.

    But to each his own.

    Like I said, Brad Rock sure knows how to keep us busy during these long, slow, offseason months.

    Gotta love it :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    Season about to start. Whitt is smart to keep the bravado down since he is the new kid on the BCS block. Walk softly and carry a big stick. I'll judge Utah's success as follows:
    Break .500 and lose to BYU Downer for U
    Break .500 and beat BYU Better than nothing
    Win the South Conference and lose to North Good season
    Win the South Conference and beat North Off to the BCS
    Win a BCS Bowl Game Great Season
    Win a National Championship

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 27, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    hohum

    Don't embarrass Happy with asking for details about Utah's leather helmet era, 5 and 6 win "undefeated" seasons. Especially don't ask about that undefeated season where Utah was SHUTOUT by BYU 0-0.

  • Kimball Woodruff Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Funny how BYU always wins the off-season. Unfortunately, not so much when it comes to doing it on the field.

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    July 27, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Gotta love Rock ruffling the feathers of those strutting birds on the hill who have been crowing about being one of the "big boys" for over a year.

    As far as national championship aspirations go, except for USC, BYU has more concensus national championships (#1 in AP and Coaches polls) than the rest of the "conference of champions" COMBINED!

    To win a national championship takes putting together a string of good seasons, like say, finishing in the Top 15 in back-to-back seasons -- something BYU has done on multiple occassions (as recently as 2006-2007), but something Utah has NEVER done!

    As much as they whine about BYU's "ancient" national championship, at least BYU is smart enough to understand how the system works. Utah fans still think that their one-hit wonders of 2004 and 2008 were worthy of NC consideration.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but your 6th place finish in the final BCS standings proves that you weren't even close.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    July 27, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Let me explain to you why the Utes don't need to be arrogant or cocky. First, they let their game do the talking; meaning that if they lose, they take ownership and give their opponent credit (try explaing to Bronco this concept), and when they win, the compliment their opponent and explain what good they did and where they need to improve. Whit is a class act who is humble and a true leader, Bronco, well he needs a HUGE slice of humble pie! The more I see how Bronco operates the more I have come to realize that he is cocky, arogant and disrespectful of his opponents, sometimes referred to as a sore loser. Go ahead and claim he is a competitor, if that is what you want to call it, then excuse poor behavior once again.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    Rock knows this, but is trying to get a reaction from fans.

    This shows the difference between these programs.

    BYU prints T-Shirts about what they plan to do.

    Utah quietly has the same goal, says nothing about it, then goes out and actually accomplishes the "Quest For Perfection."

    Just the way these programs role.

    One has huge success in the BCS era that dwarfs many programs from BCS conferences.

    The other has huge dreams of being as good as they were in the 1980's. Or being as good as their rival to the north.

    Nothing new here, just a media member trying to rehash reality.

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 27, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    Rock, you just don't get it.

    Talking a big game and not bringing it is what drives me NUTS about BYU. It feels like every other year BYU is talking about their national championship chances and then not even coming close in the long run. I think this is partly because you paint a big target on your back when you talk big. If you put yourself on a pedestal, other teams are going to want to knock you off it.

    In my opinion, BYU should be following Utah's lead on this. Keep the talk low key, fly under the radar, and then let your play on the field do the talking for you.

    Or perhaps, we should make you a "Quest for (Journalism) perfection" t-shirt?

  • YGuy Lehi, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    Nice sensational writhing Mr. Rock. Were you just sitting around bored and thought you'd stir up a fight just for fun?

    Here's the reality:

    1. Yesterday had *nothing* to do with BYU. With all that went on, the best news you had to report was that the Utes were humble? Even if you can't do better than that, surely your editor recognizes this is an article for sometime when there isn't any news, not for the day of the PAC12 media day.

    2. Real athletes and coaches know it's stupid to overlplay their hand. Utah had *nothing* to gain and a lot to lose by going into this thing cocky. Furthermore, like it or not, the Utes represent Utah and it's culture (including the predominant religion in this state) to the PAC12. This is a place where we value humility and excellence. I am proud of how they showed. There's no shame in walking into a fight humbly and then destroying your opponent. That's what coach and the Utes have always done.

    3. What do you think BYU should play for? With no conference, there is nothing else but the National Championship. It's not cocky, it's just reality.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    this headline is meant to draw in readers but then the article itself just jumps all over the place. There is not a central point that I can take from this......odd.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    Happy:

    What coaches were undefeated and what were the seven seasons? I really want to know as I am not that up on the u.

  • RS Holladay, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    When Utah announced that they were going to the Pac 12, a Ute fan was a guest on one of the sports shows on local TV, and he said the rivalry was now irrelevant. What a laugh.

  • BamaUte Owens Cross Roads, AL
    July 27, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    BYU fans and newspapers discuss high school players ad nauseum, Ute fans discuss which of the former Utes will be All-Pro this year in the off season and who may get slighted. Fans in NC are freaked out when Steve Smith lists his house, John Beck is denied entrance to the Redskin's training facility yesterday because security didn't recognize him.

    I'll take Kyle's approach EVERY day to Bronco's Utah Valley MLM hype.

    Remember Holmoe brought Cal's football program to its knees, in spite of everyone's early optimism, he'll do the same for BYU. You can put lipstick on a pig, but....

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    What? Not one comment yet about Brad being a BYU homer?

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    Well, to hear Oregon State's coach Mike Riley, they're all so good in the PAC-12 that it should really "be interesting."

    Wow, that really says it all right. They'll "be interesting."

    Sounds like they'll be so evenly matched they'll all have .500 win/loss records in conference play.

    It'll be SO interesting, not one of them will go to a BCS bowl.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    @NIT. You said,

    "The word isn't "attitude" it's "unjustified annoying arrogance" - especially interesting for a program with zero BCS wins."

    There is a ton of irony in your statement, just look and you'll see it.

    Congrats to U for two BCS wins and invitation to join a BCS conference. U earned the right to be proud and even a little justifiably arrogant. Mockery on the other hand is not a sign of humility nor is it ever justifiable.

    Whitt played his media day very conservatively and in IMO rightfully so. BYU & Bronco on the other hand are in a completely different position not bound by conference protocol.

    BYU is playing on a field very few programs are brave enough to dream about with significant risk and it fits their profile and mission. Time will tell how it works out for them.

    Utah is playing in a safe and comfortable security blanket and it fits their profile and mission, Time will tell how it works out for them.

    Two Schools with very different agendas. BYU is Independent, Utah is dependent, Utah football is the end, BYU football is a means to an end.

  • coachcarter West Valley City, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    If the same rules applied when the Utes went undefeated as they were when BYU did, then the NC count would be Utah 1 BYU 1, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The FACT is that BYU was the ONLY team to finish undefeated, so they were awarded the NC. Utah has also finished the season as the ONLY undefeated team, yet got snubbed. Go look at the season by season breakdown and see how many times Utah has gone undefeated compared to BYU.

  • MissouriCougRelocated West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    Easy to be less confident when you know your team isnt that good...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 27, 2011 6:42 a.m.

    And they call it the Conference of Champions? Obviously not in football.

    Utes have more BCS wins than their conference foes, except USC? Wow, that's an interesting factoid.

    It didn't make a difference in the MWC so what makes it any different in a supposedly stronger conference?

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    Three comments in and we're already talking about 1984?

    Brad Rock is everywhere in this article. It seems as Rock just reads through these boards to find a topic which will stir up the same old. He has a negative slant most of the time but will say something that 'makes up' for it so it doesn't look like bashing. I have said it before and I say it to myself after every BR 'article'. Why does he even write for the Utes?

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 27, 2011 6:25 a.m.

    Emulating anything "BYU" is the last thing Utah should do, and certainly not on the mind of anyone up on the hill.

  • truebluecougar Orem, Utah
    July 27, 2011 6:10 a.m.

    I disagree that if BYU wins all their games, they might not get a BCS bid. With their games on ESPN nationally and with the ESPN promotion, BYU will be fine if they just win games. Good luck Utah in the Pac 12. Go Cougs

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    July 27, 2011 6:05 a.m.

    Looks like Rock is trying to create an argument here. Possibly some DNews bet to see who can get the most comments. I'll add mine: BYU has a more difficult road to a BCS game - must go undefeated and blow out the chumps on the schedule. Utah can lose one, maybe two, and still go to a BCS game. This being said, Utah has a PAC 12 schedule, and only losing one game this year would be pretty amazing. But, their draw is promising, so they might be able to do it, not withstanding their loss to BYU in September.

  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:35 a.m.

    @truecoug1
    Lol! Oh boy, you BYU fans crack me up. So, you want to talk numbers, huh? Try this on for size: We've had 3 Head coaches post undefeated seasons, which is all you can really do to win a NC, and on top of that, the University as a whole has seen 7 undefeated seasons in it's history. Now -go ahead- google how many times BYU has gone undefeated...you back yet? How is that 1 undefeated season feel, now? Having fun yet? Now try this: Go back to Google and type in "Top 5 most undeserving College Football National Champions." That one has GOT to sting a bit. How does it feel knowing that when the nation thinks of fluke and National Championship put together, BYU comes to their minds? Just curious.

    You're right- this is WAY fun!

  • Fibby1123 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:31 a.m.

    @truecoug1:

    Yeah, the Cougs won a national championship...in 1984. Almost 30 years ago. It's ancient history.
    Win a national championship in this millennium and I'll give you some credit.

    As for the matter at hand:
    Actions speak louder than words.

    Coming into the spotlight as a relative unknown in a big conference with guns blazing and overconfidence just sets you up for failure and criticism.

    BYU comes out every year claiming they have the best team ever and they're on their way to a national championship...until they get pie on their faces from that first loss.
    Then they have to work their way back from the disappointment from their own fans and mocking from everyone else.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:45 a.m.

    Remember that day - "It is great to be a Utes" on that big day anouncement.

    Media day, utah kept it quiet.

    This is how it will work, BYU goes undefeated (maybe) but will get ignore to bcs game (maybe). Utah goes undefeated and won't be playing for NC (ditto). Go ask Auburn (remember?). BcS won't change. Oh, one more - now that NFL finally got things taken care of and Utah won't have to worry about Sunday's game(s) (I think).

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:38 a.m.

    Sorry Brad- Utah fans prefer a program that actually goes out and gets BCS wins, rather than just talking about it.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    "Is BYU more entitled to say it's shooting for a national championship than Utah?"

    Been there, done that!

    Of course BYU is more entitled to talk about repeating something they've already done before.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    @The NIT "especially interesting for a program with zero BCS wins."

    And yet, BYU has one national championship...one more than Utah. Guess it's more realistic for the Cougs to set a goal for something they've accomplished once before, than for the Utes to set their sights on their very first NC.

    Ok, now let's hear all the Ute fans excuses about how BYU's national championship shouldn't count...

    This is going to be fun.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    Uh oh, let the jawing begin.

    "Gentlemen, start your engines!"

    Brad Rock sure knows how to keep us occupied during these long, cruel summer months without college football.

    My take on the article? Similar to AD Chris Hill's comments in the article on Sunday play about essentially not wanting to make waves in their new conference (since the U are the new kids on the block and basically have to do what they're told), K Whit and Bergstrom didn't want to make waves for fear of upsetting the current balance in the PAC 12 and getting the U kicked off of the PAC 12 TV schedule entirely.

    Any thoughts? :)

    Go Cougars!

  • The NIT Draper, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    The word isn't "attitude" it's "unjustified annoying arrogance" - especially interesting for a program with zero BCS wins.